wellway
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Post by wellway on Oct 19, 2022 19:17:21 GMT
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Post by sueg on Oct 19, 2022 19:37:40 GMT
It is starting to feel a bit like the final days of BoJo, when all the ministers quit over the course of a few days. I am not sure where you go from here. Obviously, Truss won’t want to call an election, as the Tories would be wiped out, but the uncertainty is not good for the country.
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Post by malibou on Oct 19, 2022 19:37:40 GMT
I most definitely don't understand your political system, but this sounds mighty crazy.
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Post by gar on Oct 19, 2022 19:43:43 GMT
I knew about the latest resignation but hadn't heard the manhandling rumour...good grief! It's a farce and frankly I don't know. what the way out is. I guess we just have to wait until the 31st and see if things stabilise.
The fracking vote was essentially a vote of confidence as far as I can tell - and a fair few senior MPs abstained!
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Post by wellway on Oct 19, 2022 19:48:44 GMT
If it is established that bullying happened during the vote, surely that should invalidate the vote?
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Post by hopemax on Oct 19, 2022 19:51:53 GMT
I’ve said before about the US Government that at some point you need to have people who *believe* in the possibility of a functional government to have a functional government. If you keep putting people in power that want to demonstrate how dysfunctional government is, you will eventually have a dysfunctional government. The same apparently goes for the UK. At some point you simply need competency and people working for the greater good.
But as an American, I did say to DH earlier, “In a phrase that would have meant nothing to us 25 years ago… before we started watching British TV like Spooks / MI-5, Doctor Who and Torchwood… The Home Secretary has resigned.”
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Post by wellway on Oct 19, 2022 19:52:32 GMT
gar Truss didn't even vote on the fracking issue
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Post by gar on Oct 19, 2022 19:53:47 GMT
If it is established that bullying happened during the vote, surely that should invalidate the vote? I would say so but I don't think I've ever heard of it happening before. |
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Post by gar on Oct 19, 2022 19:54:00 GMT
gar Truss didn't even vote on the fracking issue I know! |
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Post by gar on Oct 19, 2022 21:03:57 GMT
Will she survive now after all this??
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Post by wellway on Oct 19, 2022 21:14:27 GMT
Will she survive now after all this?? Depends on how many Tories put the country before the party. |
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Post by gar on Oct 19, 2022 21:17:33 GMT
Will she survive now after all this?? Depends on how many Tories put the country before the party. Many seem to be absolutely livid tonight…. |
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Post by gar on Oct 20, 2022 12:39:27 GMT
Well that answers that then!
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Post by wellway on Oct 20, 2022 12:40:32 GMT
My friend just texted me that the lettuce has won
Edit to explain
Tabloid newspaper bought a 60p lettuce, set it up beside a picture of Liz Truss last week and asked which will last longer.
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Post by lesley on Oct 20, 2022 12:41:59 GMT
My friend just texted me that the lettuce has won My friend just did the same! 😂 |
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Post by gillyp on Oct 20, 2022 12:46:53 GMT
Right now I’d be happy voting for the lettuce.
How the entire world must be rolling around laughing at us.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 20, 2022 12:55:31 GMT
What is all the drama about? I’m having a hard time understanding why she needed to resign, let alone the process that you have for electing/installing a new leader.
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Post by wellway on Oct 20, 2022 12:56:48 GMT
Shortest serving PM, 45 days, 10 of which were the Queen's funeral.
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Post by gar on Oct 20, 2022 12:59:22 GMT
What is all the drama about? I’m having a hard time understanding why she needed to resign, let alone the process that you have for electing/installing a new leader. Because she didn't have the support of her party so couldn't deliver what she'd promised. The party will elect a new party leader who will also therefore be PM. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 20, 2022 13:02:12 GMT
Because she didn't have the support of her party so couldn't deliver what she'd promised.The party will elect a new party leader who will also therefore be PM. how did she get to be PM in the first place, then, if she didn't have the support of her party? sorry for asking such an elementary question, but... |
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Post by mikklynn on Oct 20, 2022 13:04:07 GMT
Because she didn't have the support of her party so couldn't deliver what she'd promised.The party will elect a new party leader who will also therefore be PM. how did she get to be PM in the first place, then, if she didn't have the support of her party? sorry for asking such an elementary question, but... I would love an explanation, too. |
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Post by gillyp on Oct 20, 2022 13:05:10 GMT
What is all the drama about? I’m having a hard time understanding why she needed to resign, let alone the process that you have for electing/installing a new leader. Because she didn't have the support of her party so couldn't deliver what she'd promised. The party will elect a new party leader who will also therefore be PM. You put it far more politely than I would have done. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 20, 2022 13:06:08 GMT
Right now I’d be happy voting for the lettuce. How the entire world must be rolling around laughing at us. No laughing from me!! Shocked.. Wish we could have a do over for us/USA as quickly!! |
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Post by gar on Oct 20, 2022 13:08:05 GMT
Because she didn't have the support of her party so couldn't deliver what she'd promised.The party will elect a new party leader who will also therefore be PM. how did she get to be PM in the first place, then, if she didn't have the support of her party? sorry for asking such an elementary question, but... The election process for a new leader is a very complicated and long winded process within the party and frankly it's amazing that she was elected - she had very low numbers of support in the early stages. There are a series of rounds of voting for a group of potential leaders with the ones with the lowest number of votes going out and all their supporters then transferring their allegiance to another contender and so on...and somehow she ended up there  And since then there's been such a catalogue of one mahoosive clusterfuck after another that many in the party were apoplectic or in despair at the in fighting and in the end she just had to go. Her position was untenable as they say. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 20, 2022 13:10:06 GMT
thank you, gar. that makes sense. (kind of, lol) |
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Post by gar on Oct 20, 2022 13:10:50 GMT
thank you, gar . that makes sense. (kind of, lol)  |
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Post by gillyp on Oct 20, 2022 13:12:35 GMT
Right now I’d be happy voting for the lettuce. How the entire world must be rolling around laughing at us. No laughing from me!! Shocked.. Wish we could fix us/USA as quickly!! Sadly we are not fixed. We are likely to lurch from crisis to crisis for some time to come. We have no stability in a leader and we have no stability in the Cabinet. I think the calls for a general election are going to get ever louder. |
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Post by wellway on Oct 20, 2022 13:13:30 GMT
What is all the drama about? I’m having a hard time understanding why she needed to resign, let alone the process that you have for electing/installing a new leader. Okay, I'll try to explain. She was elected as leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party in September following a leadership contest after Boris resigned. She, in effect, got just over half the membership of the party , about 86,000, to vote for her. Just the party members voted. As the Conservative party has the most seats in parliament , their leader becomes the Prime Minister. She appointed a long time colleague as Chancellor, and introduced a mini budget that spooked the stock markets. She fired the chancellor who was implementing her ideas. Most of the mini budget was reversed but damage has been done. They announced the mini budget without running it past an independent body that reviews any budgetary changes to ensure they are affordable. Bank of England also says they were not properly briefed. Yesterday was her first time to speak in Parliament, after which her Home Secretary resigned. The home Secretary is one of the top three positions in Government. Her own mps were getting more and more annoyed with her. The Tory party is not a united party, there is a lot of infighting. There is a Tory committee called the 1922 committee, it represents the backbenchers, the mps who are not cabinet ministers. If 15% of the mps write to the chairman of the committee saying they have lost confidence in the PM, a new leadership contest will be held. However, she was free from a challenge for a year so could have carried on but it was becoming clear, even to her, that everything she tried to do going forward would be beset with issues within her own party. So, she resigned. Eta she and her ideas had not been endorsed by the general public and she was also beginning to tear up promises that had been made in the manifesto the Tories were elected on. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 20, 2022 13:14:31 GMT
No laughing from me!! Shocked.. Wish we could fix us/USA as quickly!! Sadly we are not fixed. We are likely to lurch from crisis to crisis for some time to come. We have no stability in a leader and we have no stability in the Cabinet. I think the calls for a general election are going to get ever louder. Anything must better then the ongoing continuation of our four year disaster! |
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Post by gillyp on Oct 20, 2022 13:39:25 GMT
Sadly we are not fixed. We are likely to lurch from crisis to crisis for some time to come. We have no stability in a leader and we have no stability in the Cabinet. I think the calls for a general election are going to get ever louder. Anything must better then the ongoing continuation of our four year diaster! We are probably not that far behind you in the disaster stakes. |
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