snyder
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,294
Location: Colorado
Apr 26, 2017 6:14:47 GMT
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Post by snyder on Nov 18, 2022 16:28:45 GMT
I was going through the jury process and a gal was pregnant and wanted to be excused becuase she had morning sickness all day long and had to go to the bathroom often. The Judge told her to bring her crakers and eat away and anytime she needed to use the restroom to motion to him and he would recess.
Crazy.
That would be miserable for someone with morning sickness. I guess judges hear all of the excuses and know if they start making exceptions, they won't have many left for jury duty. I don't think she would have her mind on the trial very well either.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Nov 19, 2022 10:52:12 GMT
Not chided, but patronized. I would have preferred a scolding.
at my divorce trial, STBX was on the phone from prison. I had to give my account of his assault, as well as his terrible spending which resulted in debts.
All the financials had to be discussed. I was ordered to sell anything of value to pay taxes. There was nothing to help support me.
I was visibly anxious at the end of this thing. The middle aged male judge looked down from on high and said :
” Mrs. Lesserknownpea, you are attractive and bright. There’s no reason you can’t find a job. Millions of women have before you. “
I was livid. What did my looks have to anything? Would he say that to a man?
It’s been 9 years but that memory still makes me so angry.
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Post by Embri on Nov 19, 2022 13:08:41 GMT
Yikes, the US court system sounds bonkers. Granted I have an extremely small sample size of two when it comes to court experiences (once as a high school student as part of our curriculum and once as a juror) but both times everything was conducted with absolute decorum. No shouting. No heated words, absolutely nothing like what courtroom is dramatized on TV. The lawyers, witnesses, court staff and judge all stood for us, the jury, when we came in or left. Our judge was excellent. Anyone who felt they wouldn't be able to acknowledge and overcome their personal biases (and we all have them, on almost everything) was excused during the selection process. Same for anyone on which jury duty would have been an undue hardship. Judge even rearranged the schedule to ensure that the sequestering period wouldn't overlap on one of the juror's wedding plans for his daughter.
Maybe because it was criminal rather than civil court? I'm not a lawyer and I'm not sure of the correct terminology but Crown cases.
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Post by peace on Nov 19, 2022 14:28:59 GMT
I was scolded by a judge but not in court, she was my neighbor. She had a little house party and my ex and I took turns going over since our child was young and we didn't have a sitter. Big mouth ex let her know we don't have a wide range of people that watch her- mostly family. She scolded me for THAT. She told me I was doing a disservice to my kid. She needed to be watched by other people. She needed to get used to that. And she went on and on and on. Fun party. Sadly a couple of years later she was divorced and her high schooler in rehab. I don't miss her.
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Post by tentoes on Nov 19, 2022 18:22:20 GMT
Is it against the law to chew gum in court? I may have told her to buzz off.
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Post by Embri on Nov 19, 2022 19:31:35 GMT
Is it against the law to chew gum in court? I may have told her to buzz off. This may differ from country to country, but in Canada at least there are rules posted outside every courtroom that is open to the public that include proper conduct. No phones, no reading material, no recording devices, when you're allowed to enter/exit, etc. Gum isn't specifically banned but from what I can recall anything that is distracting/noisy is. So that might be why. It's imperative that the court stenographers and jurors (if there is a jury) can hear what the lawyers/witnesses/judge are saying clearly.
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Post by CardBoxer on Nov 19, 2022 19:42:22 GMT
Yikes, the US court system sounds bonkers. Granted I have an extremely small sample size of two when it comes to court experiences (once as a high school student as part of our curriculum and once as a juror) but both times everything was conducted with absolute decorum. No shouting. No heated words, absolutely nothing like what courtroom is dramatized on TV. The lawyers, witnesses, court staff and judge all stood for us, the jury, when we came in or left. Our judge was excellent. Anyone who felt they wouldn't be able to acknowledge and overcome their personal biases (and we all have them, on almost everything) was excused during the selection process. Same for anyone on which jury duty would have been an undue hardship. Judge even rearranged the schedule to ensure that the sequestering period wouldn't overlap on one of the juror's wedding plans for his daughter. Maybe because it was criminal rather than civil court? I'm not a lawyer and I'm not sure of the correct terminology but Crown cases. Curious I googled “judge canada inappropriate” and this gem popped up. A judge to a woman in a rape case: “Why couldn’t you just keep your knees together?” (He was investigated and quit.) www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/world/robin-camp-rape-comments-trnd I bet you’re on to something about small sample size. And is part of the U.S. having far more examples of rude or outrageous behavior because of population? The U.S. has almost 332 million people and Canada about 38 million. That translates to far more jerks and a-holes per square mile. Though Canadians are known for nice. Minnesotans too.
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Post by Embri on Nov 19, 2022 19:52:12 GMT
That's certainly likely. The bigger the pool, the greater number of discrete bad actors one is going to find. Not every Canadian lives up to the stereotype.
And yes, I'm fighting the urge to apologize for that. *sighs*
Not sure the actual concentration is lower - most of Canada is uninhabited. All the major metropolitan areas are real close to the Can/US border.
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Post by Bitchy Rich on Nov 19, 2022 21:11:53 GMT
I had to appear in court to have my divorce finalized. I smiled broadly at the judge when he addressed me, just to be friendly. He chided me saying I looked too happy about being in court for a divorce judgement on Valentine's Day. At the time I felt embarrassed, like I had done something wrong. But reading all the comments here before mine, now I think judges are just dicks.
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Post by CardBoxer on Nov 19, 2022 22:01:11 GMT
That's certainly likely. The bigger the pool, the greater number of discrete bad actors one is going to find. Not every Canadian lives up to the stereotype. And yes, I'm fighting the urge to apologize for that. *sighs* Not sure the actual concentration is lower - most of Canada is uninhabited. All the major metropolitan areas are real close to the Can/US border. Just numbers, so if 2% of people are wildly rude or inappropriate that’s 760,000 Canadians and 6,640,000 for the U.S. Though lately it seems closer to 20%.
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Post by myshelly on Nov 20, 2022 0:32:55 GMT
Is it against the law to chew gum in court? I may have told her to buzz off. If you tell a judge to buzz off, you’re going to jail.
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Post by Zee on Nov 20, 2022 2:07:20 GMT
I haven't had a lot of interaction with any judges past my teen years. They sound like the majority of the surgeons I've met though. Assholes.
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Post by birdy on Nov 20, 2022 3:02:50 GMT
Is there a law about chewing gum in court? That seems like a weird thing to ask about. I was on a potential jury and the judge stopped everything and asked if I wanted to be there because my body language said no. It was July and I just said that I was cold. I was. And I didn't want to be there. I was going through the jury process and a gal was pregnant and wanted to be excused becuase she had morning sickness all day long and had to go to the bathroom often. The Judge told her to bring her crakers and eat away and anytime she needed to use the restroom to motion to him and he would recess.
Crazy.
I was called for jury duty when I was pregnant with DS. I was so sick, all day and night. I lost 30 lbs. from being so sick and not being able to eat. When I called the court to tell them there was no possible way I could sit in a courtroom, the lady got very nasty with me and said I would have to call my doctor to get a prescription for medicine to help with the morning sickness. When I called my doctor, he was livid. He called them and told them off. I got a call the next day that I was excused!!!
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snyder
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,294
Location: Colorado
Apr 26, 2017 6:14:47 GMT
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Post by snyder on Nov 20, 2022 6:20:00 GMT
I was going through the jury process and a gal was pregnant and wanted to be excused becuase she had morning sickness all day long and had to go to the bathroom often. The Judge told her to bring her crakers and eat away and anytime she needed to use the restroom to motion to him and he would recess.
Crazy.
I was called for jury duty when I was pregnant with DS. I was so sick, all day and night. I lost 30 lbs. from being so sick and not being able to eat. When I called the court to tell them there was no possible way I could sit in a courtroom, the lady got very nasty with me and said I would have to call my doctor to get a prescription for medicine to help with the morning sickness. When I called my doctor, he was livid. He called them and told them off. I got a call the next day that I was excused!!! That's a bummer. I'm sure there are so many that do not tell the truth that they get kind of harsh, but dern; there should be a nicer way to deal with people. Maybe if they treated people like humans, more would be willing to serve.
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Post by auntkelly on Nov 20, 2022 15:26:00 GMT
I’ve been a lawyer for 35 years and I have appeared before a lot of different judges. I worked for a state court for ten years and worked for many different judges while I was in that position. My best friend, who was my roommate in law school, is a judge.
Judges have all different types of personalities and backgrounds, just like doctors, plumbers and teachers have different personalities. Some are very warm and polite, others are curt and impatient. In my experience, most judges try very hard to fairly apply the law in each case, regardless of their courtroom demeanor. However, there are a few bad apples, just as there are in any profession.
Some judges might not call out a spectator for chewing gum in the courtroom, but I’d be surprised if there are very many courts that allow gum chewing, for the same reasons that most schools don’t allow gum chewing.
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Post by tentoes on Nov 23, 2022 1:01:06 GMT
Is it against the law to chew gum in court? I may have told her to buzz off. If you tell a judge to buzz off, you’re going to jail. I live in California, so I'd be out before I sneezed.
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Post by tentoes on Nov 23, 2022 1:04:28 GMT
That's a bummer. I'm sure there are so many that do not tell the truth that they get kind of harsh, but dern; there should be a nicer way to deal with people. Maybe if they treated people like humans, more would be willing to serve. I was always willing to serve, and have served many times-- until I was called about 3 weeks after my husband died. I was still in shock, and I contacted them and told them I didn't even know what end was up, and I didn't think I'd be a good juror at this time. They agreed, and I haven't heard from them since.
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