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Post by snyder on Nov 22, 2022 18:29:59 GMT
I know, there are so many factors. It is just something I thought was really odd to have so many members of my family experience that I can't help but try to analyze it in my head. Two kept on working in their very physical jobs and my mom, she's 92, so she wasn't real active to start with. I totally understand, and I think it is human nature to wonder or hypothesize when you see something new or have a bunch of (often unrelated) like events happening. Heart arrhythmias has been mine. It seems it has been popping up in people I know more lately. Fleetingly wondering if there is some reason it seems so prevalent in people in my life now. However I said the same thing about polymyalgia rheumatica when my father had it (before Covid). I had never even heard of it but after my dad was diagnosed I hear about people I know being diagnosed with this all the time. I never say never, but I am pretty confident that our best choice was/is to get vaccinated - not only the best personal choice but the best choice to help your family, your coworkers, your neighbors, and just humans in general. I will never regret listening to the majority of the Drs and other medical/science related people. Too many people (general people) seem to think it is all or nothing or if it isn’t 100% effective it is considered a failure. Nothing works that way in the real world. 🤷🏻♀️ You summed that up very well and reminded me about my brother. He was diagnosed with polycythemia Vera which is a fairly rare blood disorder where your body makes too many red blood cells. Like you, I had never heard of it. After his diagnosis, I started hearing more about it and heck, it was even advertised on TV. Yeah, my TV spies on me. That's a whole different topic. lol
I too think it was best to be vaccinated. I just hate putting more into my body than necessary, but I'd rather be here than dead.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 22, 2022 22:24:03 GMT
I totally understand, and I think it is human nature to wonder or hypothesize when you see something new or have a bunch of (often unrelated) like events happening. Heart arrhythmias has been mine. It seems it has been popping up in people I know more lately. Fleetingly wondering if there is some reason it seems so prevalent in people in my life now. However I said the same thing about polymyalgia rheumatica when my father had it (before Covid). I had never even heard of it but after my dad was diagnosed I hear about people I know being diagnosed with this all the time. I never say never, but I am pretty confident that our best choice was/is to get vaccinated - not only the best personal choice but the best choice to help your family, your coworkers, your neighbors, and just humans in general. I will never regret listening to the majority of the Drs and other medical/science related people. Too many people (general people) seem to think it is all or nothing or if it isn’t 100% effective it is considered a failure. Nothing works that way in the real world. 🤷🏻♀️ You summed that up very well and reminded me about my brother. He was diagnosed with polycythemia Vera which is a fairly rare blood disorder where your body makes too many red blood cells. Like you, I had never heard of it. After his diagnosis, I started hearing more about it and heck, it was even advertised on TV. Yeah, my TV spies on me. That's a whole different topic. lol
I too think it was best to be vaccinated. I just hate putting more into my body than necessary, but I'd rather be here than dead.
Is your brother one of the family members that had a blood clot? My mom has polycythemia Vera as well. Pretty sure blood clots are more common in people with PV. My mom was tested for it after getting her cholesterol checked and they said her blood was like gel.
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Post by scorpeao on Nov 22, 2022 22:44:51 GMT
The description sounded like QAnon crap.
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Post by snyder on Nov 22, 2022 22:48:41 GMT
You summed that up very well and reminded me about my brother. He was diagnosed with polycythemia Vera which is a fairly rare blood disorder where your body makes too many red blood cells. Like you, I had never heard of it. After his diagnosis, I started hearing more about it and heck, it was even advertised on TV. Yeah, my TV spies on me. That's a whole different topic. lol
I too think it was best to be vaccinated. I just hate putting more into my body than necessary, but I'd rather be here than dead.
Is your brother one of the family members that had a blood clot? My mom has polycythemia Vera as well. Pretty sure blood clots are more common in people with PV. My mom was tested for it after getting her cholesterol checked and they said her blood was like gel. My brother is not one that had blood clots. His diagnosis was pre Covid. My brother's blood was really thick as well and they said it was a wonder he hadn't had a heart attack. What did they do for your mom? They drained a pint a week from my bother for 8 weeks to start. Now they just monitor closely. I know he wears oxygen at night and he might take a med, but not 100% sure on that one. He felt really tired all the time and kind of had a flu like feeling so he went in and of course blood work is usually one of the first things they do when you go to the doctor for an ailment. Do you know how the cholesterol result alerted them to test for it? Like was it really high?
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Post by Zee on Nov 22, 2022 22:52:35 GMT
Anyone can cobble together some fact-less video and make false claims and post it on the internet for those with little to no medical knowledge to accept as fact.
I do believe, of course, that some people experienced complications from the vaccine but it is a far, far smaller number than what the virus caused.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 22, 2022 23:20:09 GMT
Anyone can cobble together some fact-less video and make false claims and post it on the internet for those with little to no medical knowledge to accept as fact. I do believe, of course, that some people experienced complications from the vaccine but it is a far, far smaller number than what the virus caused. Unfortunately complications are true of every medicine, vaccine, medical treatment, the dentist etc. The same way anyone can develope an allergy to anything, including things we used, ate everyday, at any time in your life.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 22, 2022 23:23:13 GMT
Is your brother one of the family members that had a blood clot? My mom has polycythemia Vera as well. Pretty sure blood clots are more common in people with PV. My mom was tested for it after getting her cholesterol checked and they said her blood was like gel. My brother is not one that had blood clots. His diagnosis was pre Covid. My brother's blood was really thick as well and they said it was a wonder he hadn't had a heart attack. What did they do for your mom? They drained a pint a week from my bother for 8 weeks to start. Now they just monitor closely. I know he wears oxygen at night and he might take a med, but not 100% sure on that one. He felt really tired all the time and kind of had a flu like feeling so he went in and of course blood work is usually one of the first things they do when you go to the doctor for an ailment. Do you know how the cholesterol result alerted them to test for it? Like was it really high? She was diagnosed at least 15 years ago so I don't remember all of the details, but I do remember that they said she was lucky that she hadn't had a stroke or heart attack because of how thick her blood was. She also was (and still is) very sensitive to water and had a strange feeling in her skin and body when showering. I think there were some other symptoms that she hadn't really found a reason for until her diagnosis but I can't remember what they were. She had phlebotomies for awhile--sounds like your brother. She also takes a low dose chemo pill I believe. She recently had a strange rash on her legs and her doctor thought it might be related to her polycythemia so they did a phlebotomy but then I think they decided it might not be related. She also had lung cancer about 6 years ago.
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 22, 2022 23:40:00 GMT
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Post by Restless Spirit on Nov 22, 2022 23:43:49 GMT
Ok. I’ll bite.
Who are these people making these claims? Doctors? Scientists? Phlebotomy experts?
How does any embalmer know any persons vaccination status? They will most likely know that the person died from Covid because of safety protocols (the body will arrive and be labeled as hazardous), but the vaccination status for every single person? The body doesn’t arrive at the mortuary with the death certificate. It will be filed and issued be the local health department. Death certificates will not indicate the vaccination status of the deceased.
Where are the scientific studies showing the differences between the blood of the unvaccinated and the vaccinated? Were blind and double blind tests performed to eliminate confirmation bias?
What’s an embalmer doing taking samples? Does he/she have permission from the family? If not, that sounds very disrespectful.
Blood clots can happen to anybody for many different reasons. Heck, even the refrigeration of a dead body can cause clots. Many morgues and funeral homes have refrigeration units. A body can end up being refrigerated for days while waiting for permission from the family to embalm or cremate. Nothing can be done until the authorized individual signs off.
Good grief.
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 22, 2022 23:50:44 GMT
Who made the movie? The film and its promotional materials does indicate that Stew Peters is behind the film. Is Peters a medical expert or some type of scientist? No, he was a bounty hunter before becoming a radio show host. He was also the person who said that National Insititute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) Director Anthony Fauci, MD, “should be hanging by the end of a noose somewhere,” during the 2022 America First Political Action Conference, which isn’t exactly a nice thing to say about anyone.Peters has had a history of making unfounded claims about Covid-19 policies and interventions. For example, Spotify bounced Peters’ show from their platform after he made some WTH statements about Covid-19 vaccines such as calling them a “military bio-weapon” that contains metallic parasites, as described by Zachary Petrizzo in a Daily Beast piece entitled “Spotify Booted Far-Right Podcaster Stew Peters Over COVID Lies.”www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/11/22/new-died-suddenly-film-pushes-unfounded-depopulation-claims-about-covid-19-vaccine/?sh=5c14e68749d0
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Post by snyder on Nov 22, 2022 23:55:50 GMT
My brother is not one that had blood clots. His diagnosis was pre Covid. My brother's blood was really thick as well and they said it was a wonder he hadn't had a heart attack. What did they do for your mom? They drained a pint a week from my bother for 8 weeks to start. Now they just monitor closely. I know he wears oxygen at night and he might take a med, but not 100% sure on that one. He felt really tired all the time and kind of had a flu like feeling so he went in and of course blood work is usually one of the first things they do when you go to the doctor for an ailment. Do you know how the cholesterol result alerted them to test for it? Like was it really high? She was diagnosed at least 15 years ago so I don't remember all of the details, but I do remember that they said she was lucky that she hadn't had a stroke or heart attack because of how thick her blood was. She also was (and still is) very sensitive to water and had a strange feeling in her skin and body when showering. I think there were some other symptoms that she hadn't really found a reason for until her diagnosis but I can't remember what they were. She had phlebotomies for awhile--sounds like your brother. She also takes a low dose chemo pill I believe. She recently had a strange rash on her legs and her doctor thought it might be related to her polycythemia so they did a phlebotomy but then I think they decided it might not be related. She also had lung cancer about 6 years ago. Oh wow, she's been through a lot. PV is considered a type of blood cancer. The chemo pill probably kills off some of the blood cells to keep it from getting too thick. They haven't given my brother that yet, but do know they said it was a possibility. He just turned 65 and had to change doctors and just saw the new one a couple of weeks ago, so they could do something different. I wish her well! Within a few weeks of my brother's diagnosis, my BiL was diagnosed with Myelodysplastic Syndrom. Just the opposite, too few red blood cells. Well, not too few, but the ones produced do not mature. So yeah, my family was scratching our heads back then as well; pre Covid.
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Post by peasapie on Nov 23, 2022 11:52:17 GMT
It’s an anti vax propaganda piece. Not surprised to see you pushing this crap here. More of the usual from you.
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Post by Embri on Nov 23, 2022 12:16:29 GMT
Equating clots to the vaccine is about as intelligent as saying eating ice cream from a beach cart causes you sunburn. Correlation ≠ causation.
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Post by compeateropeator on Nov 23, 2022 12:40:51 GMT
It’s an anti vax propaganda piece. Not surprised to see you pushing this crap here. More of the usual from you. It would be one thing if a discussion was wanted but it obviously isn’t. 😉😉😆😆 I am still waiting to have a discussion about the Keystone XL pipeline, why it should be continued and how it would lower gas prices and I really am interested in her opinion on why it should be one of the first things done if/when the controlling party changes. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by inkedup on Nov 26, 2022 20:31:04 GMT
Died Suddenly, a film of what embalmers and funeral directors have been noticing recently. The film's premiering today and the link is to Rumble. **Warning** Long fibrous strands that create(d) blood clots are shown. Watch this as you would any other medical video. Y'all can make this as political as you want, if you want, but this affects all of us no matter the politics, religion, age, sex, gender, race, or socio-economic situation. One of my good friends is a VP for one of the largest funeral home corporations in California. She finds this video less than credible. For so many reasons. You mentioned that people obtained wealth never seen before due to...what? The vaccine? How many scientists, doctors, and epidemiologists can you name that have spots on the list of the world's wealthiest people?
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Post by pyccku on Nov 26, 2022 23:41:57 GMT
One weird thing about death: once the blood stops moving, it clots.
I really hope to see follow-up sequels about how they notice that dead people don’t have a pulse, they don’t react to loud noises anymore, and they don’t seem to pee. I bet they did all of those things before they got vaccinated. But now that they’re dead, these things just keep popping up! Such a mystery…
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Post by jamieson on Nov 27, 2022 7:12:51 GMT
You're a sharp (as in extreme, not intelligent) right turn only nut.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 27, 2022 10:32:14 GMT
Who made the movie? The film and its promotional materials does indicate that Stew Peters is behind the film. Is Peters a medical expert or some type of scientist? No, he was a bounty hunter before becoming a radio show host. He was also the person who said that National Insititute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) Director Anthony Fauci, MD, “should be hanging by the end of a noose somewhere,” during the 2022 America First Political Action Conference, which isn’t exactly a nice thing to say about anyone.Peters has had a history of making unfounded claims about Covid-19 policies and interventions. For example, Spotify bounced Peters’ show from their platform after he made some WTH statements about Covid-19 vaccines such as calling them a “military bio-weapon” that contains metallic parasites, as described by Zachary Petrizzo in a Daily Beast piece entitled “Spotify Booted Far-Right Podcaster Stew Peters Over COVID Lies.”www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/11/22/new-died-suddenly-film-pushes-unfounded-depopulation-claims-about-covid-19-vaccine/?sh=5c14e68749d0Yep. He took the conclusion that he wanted-that Covid vaccines are dangerous-and found “evidence” to back it up. Here is another excellent review of this piece by an actual scientist. It is very good: www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking/anti-vaccine-documentary-died-suddenly-wants-you-feel-not-thinkHere is a bit of it: “ The Died Suddenly Twitter account, which boasts an authoritative blue check mark it received after paying $8 a month, memorializes a long list of people who, we are led to believe, died of the vaccine, including the voice of Batman, Kevin Conroy, who very recently passed away from intestinal cancer. Except that scrolling through these names, it becomes apparent the list includes anyone who died suddenly, who died after a short illness, who died after a long illness, who died of cancer or of an immune condition or of a viral infection. Their vaccination status is often not even known. Basically, everybody dying after the vaccines were rolled out has now been killed by the jab One of the funeral directors interviewed in Died Suddenly, who now identifies as an anti-vaxxer, tells us to go on Google and type in “died suddenly.” I listened to him and did the exercise. Disturbingly, I found a 13-year-old boy who died suddenly after collapsing while playing in a schoolyard; a 38-year-old publisher who died suddenly at home, with no known health issues; even actor Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s brother who died suddenly at 36. What I didn’t tell you is that I did the search for the year 2010. Sudden deaths are not new. I even found a particularly distressing example. Her name was Kalina and she had shown no sign of illness before suddenly falling ill and dying that very evening. She was only 25 years old and was the third adult to die from her place of work in a four-month period. Scary stuff, isn’t it? Except that Kalina was a killer whale who died at SeaWorld Orlando in 2010. What Died Suddenly does is akin to grave-robbing. It raids online obituaries, with complete disregard for consent or basic journalistic integrity, and stitches a pseudoscientific horror story with the faces of the deceased.”
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Post by ellen on Nov 27, 2022 14:18:52 GMT
I am not going to start watching conspiracy theory bs.
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 27, 2022 16:08:42 GMT
What's wild to me is that someone got on this message board and really thought they were sharing some Important Information™ here. As though the majority of us lack the critical thinking skills to sniff out absolute nonsense.
It's actually a little insulting? LOL
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 28, 2022 4:27:11 GMT
My seemingly very healthy chicken died suddenly a few weeks ago. Zero symptoms in the evening. Found her dead on the coop floor in the morning. RIP Nugget.
I don’t think it was vaccine related though. 🤷♀️
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Post by lucyg on Nov 28, 2022 6:12:49 GMT
My seemingly very healthy chicken died suddenly a few weeks ago. Zero symptoms in the evening. Found her dead on the coop floor in the morning. RIP Nugget. I don’t think it was vaccine related though. 🤷♀️ I’m sorry!
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 28, 2022 14:59:48 GMT
My seemingly very healthy chicken died suddenly a few weeks ago. Zero symptoms in the evening. Found her dead on the coop floor in the morning. RIP Nugget. I don’t think it was vaccine related though. 🤷♀️ I’m sorry! Aww thanks!
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Post by Sarah*H on Nov 28, 2022 15:26:40 GMT
What's wild to me is that someone got on this message board and really thought they were sharing some Important Information™ here. As though the majority of us lack the critical thinking skills to sniff out absolute nonsense. It's actually a little insulting? LOL I'm interested in what makes a person vulnerable to falling for these kinds of conspiracy theories. I think, as a society, we also need to talk about the algorithms on social media and youtube. The alt-right pipeline is a real thing and I think the further down the rabbit hole one falls, the harder it is to bring them back to the fact based world.
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Post by Embri on Nov 28, 2022 15:37:31 GMT
What's wild to me is that someone got on this message board and really thought they were sharing some Important Information™ here. As though the majority of us lack the critical thinking skills to sniff out absolute nonsense. It's actually a little insulting? LOL I'm interested in what makes a person vulnerable to falling for these kinds of conspiracy theories. I think, as a society, we also need to talk about the algorithms on social media and youtube. The alt-right pipeline is a real thing and I think the further down the rabbit hole one falls, the harder it is to bring them back to the fact based world. Well, you can start with the gutting of the education system. Pretty sure that has a hand in it. The generations of leaded gasoline exposure didn't help matters. 24/7 access to non-stop information barrage and the homogenization of the Internet made things infinitely worse, except for corporations. The ease at which anyone can find an echo chamber (no matter how insane the belief) these days is frightening.
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Post by katlady on Nov 28, 2022 15:43:58 GMT
What's wild to me is that someone got on this message board and really thought they were sharing some Important Information™ here. As though the majority of us lack the critical thinking skills to sniff out absolute nonsense. It's actually a little insulting? LOL I'm interested in what makes a person vulnerable to falling for these kinds of conspiracy theories. I think, as a society, we also need to talk about the algorithms on social media and youtube. The alt-right pipeline is a real thing and I think the further down the rabbit hole one falls, the harder it is to bring them back to the fact based world. It is also TV shows and radio talk shows that are fueling a lot of conspiracy theories. I was surprised last week by how many people on my Nextdoor apps believe in Chem Trails! We have a lot of jets (both military and commercial) that fly in our area, plus rockets that are shot from a local military base. We get a lot of contrails in the air. Lot of people on Nextdoor were saying they were Chem Trails!! Ugh!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 28, 2022 16:05:49 GMT
Timely local article.... N.J. may soon set standards for students to learn about media and information literacyUpdated: Nov. 28, 2022, 9:08 a.m.|Published: Nov. 28, 2022, 9:00 a.m. By Brent Johnson | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com With the internet and social media now firmly established as dominant places to get news and info, New Jersey may soon create standards for students in all grades to learn how to discern trustworthy sources, conduct research using facts and data, and avoid misinformation. *** Though Garden State schools already have some requirements related to the topic, the state Legislature has overwhelmingly passed a bipartisan bill that would mandate a state Department of Education committee to develop specific statewide guidelines to teach information literacy across digital, visual, and technological media. ** Supporters say the move is needed in the wake of the rise of social media and as misinformation becomes more common online. The lessons, they said, would help students distinguish fact from fiction and mold them into more informed citizens. *** “The Internet can be an invaluable resource for students at every grade level, but it can also be rife with misinterpretations, lies, and rumors that can be confusing or even dangerous,” said state Sen. Michael Testa, R-Cumberland, a main sponsor. “The new standards will help develop young residents who can recognize false claims and have the skills to succeed in a web-driven world.” *** “Unless we can do it in our K-12 school system, we are doomed,” Polites told NJ Advance Media. “Our democracy is not going to be able to sustain itself.” And more..... www.nj.com/education/2022/11/nj-may-soon-set-standards-for-students-to-learn-about-media-and-information-literacy.html
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Post by miominmio on Nov 28, 2022 16:33:28 GMT
Well, yes, the vaccine HAS been the cause of death for several, but (a lot) more people have died from covid. But the source OP cites, it utter and completely BS. And she knows it.
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Post by Embri on Nov 28, 2022 16:53:49 GMT
In some ways I was fortunate, growing up with the internet from its infancy.
We knew nothing online was to be trusted. You didn't divulge your real name, age, location, or any other personal details. You kept your online handles different for different communities. Web sites were only as trustworthy as the web rings they belonged to, or index page they were listed on. Anyone could build their own website after all. Or pretend to be someone they weren't. You didn't download files without sandboxing the heck out of them, again unless you trusted the source. Doing otherwise landed you with a bucket of malware/adware. Lots of things about the early internet were annoying - slow speeds, the incredible difficulty of finding what you were looking for, the rampant pop-ups and 'Under Construction' dancing GIFs, having to install extensions to access multimedia ... but you quickly learned, or your computer perished.
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 28, 2022 17:02:14 GMT
I guess it’s appropriate that this is the 2022 Word of the year.
Too many folks in this country are intellectually lazy with no curiosity. IMO
I believe a lot of these conspiracy theories would be a non issue if enough folks asked one simple question and be persistent enough to get an answer.
The question? Where is your verifiable proof of what you claim.
But we have cable news stations that let folks come and spout all this nonsense and very few interviewers push back and ask the question. And when they do, in most cases, the person making these claims avoid answering it directly, starts off on another subject and the interviewer does nothing to get an answer to the question but moves on.
Then you have blogs and newsletter again spouting off theories and trying push them as the truth of what is happening. But offering no verifiable proof.
And then there is the gang who believe if you read on the internet then it must be true.
And none of these folks taken in by all the nonsense ask or even care about any verifiable proof. Some because they lack curiosity and some because they want to believe what they are reading or hearing.
And right now the group excelling in gaslighting the American People are members of the Republican Party.
What I think the Democrats should do is bring back a version of the old Wendy’s commercial where old ladies are staring at a hamburger bun with a small hamburger patty and this one little old lady looks at that tiny piece of meat and says “Where’s the beef”?
But instead of hamburgers have one if the ridiculous claims made by the Republicans like the one below and demand where’s the verifiable proof”.
I’m sure an advertising guy can make a slick funny version of an ad that get’s people asking where IS the proof.
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