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Post by aj2hall on Dec 2, 2022 3:12:59 GMT
As someone who lives in NH, I think this is a move in the right direction and maybe long overdue. NH and Iowa are not representative of the country. NH is about 97% white, last time I checked. www.nytimes.com/2022/12/01/us/politics/biden-dnc-primary-south-carolina-2024.htmlWASHINGTON — President Biden and the Democratic National Committee are moving to radically reorder the party’s presidential process by making South Carolina the first primary state in 2024, followed in order by Nevada and New Hampshire, Georgia and then Michigan.
The plan, announced by party officials at a dinner Thursday in Washington, signals the end of Iowa’s long tenure as the Democrats’ first nominating contest, and it represents an effort to elevate the diverse, working-class constituencies that powered Mr. Biden’s primary victory in 2020.
The move would also be an unmistakable reward for South Carolina, the state that saved Mr. Biden’s candidacy two years ago after he came in fourth in Iowa and fifth in New Hampshire, both of which are smaller and have a higher percentage of white voters.
I didn't know this The current leadoff states are Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, in that order, chosen to represent the four major regions of the country: the Midwest, Northeast, West and South. |
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Post by lisae on Dec 2, 2022 3:39:25 GMT
Oh, this would definitely help Biden. His performance in SC is what brought the party together behind him. Otherwise, the moderates were going to be left fighting it out and Bernie would have been the nominee.
I'm all in favor of removing Iowa from the front of the pack. It took days to even get the results of their caucus. I've read details about how the caucus is done and to me, it isn't the same at all as a one person/one vote primary.
I'd rather see a group of states be first rather than giving all that power to one state and then to the next.
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Post by Merge on Dec 2, 2022 4:04:33 GMT
Even better would be for every state to have its primary on the same day. One giant Super Tuesday. Do it all with ranked choice voting. Think of the time and money saved vs. our usual protracted process.
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Post by hopemax on Dec 2, 2022 5:17:26 GMT
Even better would be for every state to have its primary on the same day. One giant Super Tuesday. Do it all with ranked choice voting. Think of the time and money saved vs. our usual protracted process. A lesser known candidate wouldn't have a chance. So we won't have the best candidate. It will be the person with the biggest brand / biggest donor base. Hillary would have gotten the nomination over Obama in 2008, and we would have had Sarah Palin as VP because Hillary lost to Trump, and McCain was a far better candidate than him. In 2020, there is a good chance that Bernie Sanders would have been the Democratic nominee, because the Western states would have picked him over Biden, and then he would have lost to the Republican candidate whoever it was. The country needs the option to change their minds during primary season, and a single day wouldn't achieve that. But, yes, it would be cheaper. |
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Post by hop2 on Dec 2, 2022 11:12:32 GMT
Even better would be for every state to have its primary on the same day. One giant Super Tuesday. Do it all with ranked choice voting. Think of the time and money saved vs. our usual protracted process. All on one day I agree with. Ranked voting I’m not so sure about. If you’d have said that in 2014 I’d have thought it was fine. But since then I’ve learned just how F’d up some choices can be so there is no situation where sone people would ever get any portion ir slice of my vote at all. Do we at least get some sort of veto? It’s kind of like having ranked choice for a spouse - there’s some that no rank is acceptable at all |
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Post by Merge on Dec 2, 2022 12:25:34 GMT
Even better would be for every state to have its primary on the same day. One giant Super Tuesday. Do it all with ranked choice voting. Think of the time and money saved vs. our usual protracted process. All on one day I agree with. Ranked voting I’m not so sure about. If you’d have said that in 2014 I’d have thought it was fine. But since then I’ve learned just how F’d up some choices can be so there is no situation where sone people would ever get any portion ir slice of my vote at all. Do we at least get some sort of veto? It’s kind of like having ranked choice for a spouse - there’s some that no rank is acceptable at all Maybe I misunderstand ranked choice - it seems like in a primary where there are lots of candidates, you’d rank your top 3 or so and the others get nothing. But maybe that’s not how it works? |
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Post by Merge on Dec 2, 2022 13:13:04 GMT
Even better would be for every state to have its primary on the same day. One giant Super Tuesday. Do it all with ranked choice voting. Think of the time and money saved vs. our usual protracted process. A lesser known candidate wouldn't have a chance. So we won't have the best candidate. It will be the person with the biggest brand / biggest donor base. Hillary would have gotten the nomination over Obama in 2008, and we would have had Sarah Palin as VP because Hillary lost to Trump, and McCain was a far better candidate than him. In 2020, there is a good chance that Bernie Sanders would have been the Democratic nominee, because the Western states would have picked him over Biden, and then he would have lost to the Republican candidate whoever it was. The country needs the option to change their minds during primary season, and a single day wouldn't achieve that. But, yes, it would be cheaper. The thing is that the country doesn't get to change its mind. Candidates who don't do well at first are forced to drop out of the race. Those of us in later primary states often don't even get to vote for our preferred candidate because earlier states didn't like them as much. |
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Post by Zee on Dec 2, 2022 13:19:56 GMT
Let Iowa have their moment
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Post by amom23 on Dec 2, 2022 13:47:16 GMT
Let Iowa have their moment It's way past time to move on from Iowa and NH being 1st. They don't represent the country the way states like South Carolina do. |
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Post by amom23 on Dec 2, 2022 13:50:23 GMT
Even better would be for every state to have its primary on the same day. One giant Super Tuesday. Do it all with ranked choice voting. Think of the time and money saved vs. our usual protracted process. I don't agree at all. When the primaries start and there are so many candidates it is hard to narrow in on who I really like and feel aligns with my views. As the candidates drop out it becomes clearer who stands out for me as a voter. |
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Post by Merge on Dec 2, 2022 14:20:23 GMT
Even better would be for every state to have its primary on the same day. One giant Super Tuesday. Do it all with ranked choice voting. Think of the time and money saved vs. our usual protracted process. I don't agree at all. When the primaries start and there are so many candidates it is hard to narrow in on who I really like and feel aligns with my views. As the candidates drop out it becomes clearer who stands out for me as a voter. But what if the one you really like was eliminated by an earlier state? |
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Post by Zee on Dec 2, 2022 14:24:13 GMT
Let Iowa have their moment It's way past time to move on from Iowa and NH being 1st. They don't represent the country the way states like South Carolina do. Iowa pushed to the back of the country again 🙄 |
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Post by amom23 on Dec 2, 2022 14:43:21 GMT
I don't agree at all. When the primaries start and there are so many candidates it is hard to narrow in on who I really like and feel aligns with my views. As the candidates drop out it becomes clearer who stands out for me as a voter. But what if the one you really like was eliminated by an earlier state? That happens currently every primary cycle. I know I usually have a couple that I like from the beginning and appreciate the time to get to know them better along with other candidates. |
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Post by amom23 on Dec 2, 2022 14:43:55 GMT
It's way past time to move on from Iowa and NH being 1st. They don't represent the country the way states like South Carolina do. Iowa pushed to the back of the country again 🙄 I don't understand? |
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Post by janet on Dec 2, 2022 14:59:07 GMT
My son went to the 2020 caucus when he was at the University of Iowa. He said it was basically people shouting at each other  He was in the Bernie corner, and the Warren folks shared their pizza. He got a button and went home. He said he was glad he went because it was educational but he also found it somewhat ridiculous. This really has no bearing on the OP but I found it interesting at the time so thought I'd share. |
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Post by Merge on Dec 2, 2022 15:00:40 GMT
But what if the one you really like was eliminated by an earlier state? That happens currently every primary cycle. I know I usually have a couple that I like from the beginning and appreciate the time to get to know them better along with other candidates. That's what I'm saying, though - it happens every primary cycle. What if it didn't? I just don't feel our primary choices should be dictated by those in other states. Neither Iowa nor New Hampshire nor South Carolina should get to winnow down my choices for me. I think, also, that when one or two states start off the primary cycle, the candidates necessarily gear their messaging towards voters in those states. How I feel about candidate A when they're campaigning in South Carolina may change drastically if they needed to gear their messaging toward a wider swath of people. RE: your other comment about SC representing the country better than Iowa or NH. Maybe, but does it represent the parts of the country that include more large urban areas, more Hispanic voters, more Asian-American voters, more diversified economies, or others not much present in a small southern state? I don't understand the party's resistance to giving more of a voice in the primaries to its urban voting core. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 2, 2022 15:13:17 GMT
It's way past time to move on from Iowa and NH being 1st. They don't represent the country the way states like South Carolina do. Iowa pushed to the back of the country again 🙄 is right though in that Iowa isn’t very diverse with white residents making up 89.08% of the population. Only five states have a higher percentage of white residents, with Maine (93.68%), Vermont (93.60%), West Virginia (92.52%), New Hampshire (91.98%) and Wyoming (90.35%) topping it. Iowa also ranks 31st in total population in the U.S. with 3,219,171 residents, so it makes sense to me to choose a more populous, more diverse state to host the first primary. South Carolina has almost two million more residents than Iowa does (5,217,037) and ranks 23rd. worldpopulationreview.com/states/states-by-race |
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 2, 2022 15:50:01 GMT
Let Iowa have their moment It's way past time to move on from Iowa and NH being 1st. They don't represent the country the way states like South Carolina do. Sorry I don’t see how South Carolina represents the United States any better then Iowa or NH. If you want to be honest the one state that truly represents the entire United States is California. Put aside that elitist crap and actually look at the makeup of the state. Look at the diversity of the industry in the state and more importantly the diversity of the people who live in the state. It’s an urban state but it’s a rural state as well. Does California have problems? Yes. And the reality is every state in the United States has their own set of problems. The fact that CA is a blue state is no different then the states that are red. It’s just that people in CA are not as misguided like those in red states. Just joking.There is a saying that as California goes so goes the rest of the country. I think that is true when it comes to climate change and the diversity of the people who live in the state. CA is feeling the affects of climate change with the drought and wildfires and has for several years which will and is spreading to other states. The same with the diversity of the people who live in this state and that it will eventually spread to other states as well if it hasn’t already. Should I bring out  now? In my opinion the reason why President Biden wants to have the first primary in South Carolina is because, if I’m remembering correctly, that was the state that pushed Joe Biden to the front of the pack in the 2020 primary and pretty much decided that Joe Biden would be the Democratic Nominee. So he is acknowledging how important South Carolina was to him becoming the nominee. And I could be wrong and right now I’m too lazy to google it. |
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 2, 2022 16:13:07 GMT
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Post by peasapie on Dec 2, 2022 16:15:54 GMT
I agree with Merge, all on same day and ranked. Absent that, I think moving the primaries to different states is long overdue.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 2, 2022 17:21:08 GMT
I wish there was a way to have two primaries. One to narrow the field so, maybe all states voting on the same day and the top three go on to the final primary where the candidate is chosen.
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Post by mich5481 on Dec 2, 2022 17:30:28 GMT
It's way past time to move on from Iowa and NH being 1st. They don't represent the country the way states like South Carolina do. Sorry I don’t see how South Carolina represents the United States any better then Iowa or NH. If you want to be honest the one state that truly represents the entire United States is California. Put aside that elitist crap and actually look at the makeup of the state. Look at the diversity of the industry in the state and more importantly the diversity of the people who live in the state. It’s an urban state but it’s a rural state as well. Does California have problems? Yes. And the reality is every state in the United States has their own set of problems. The fact that CA is a blue state is no different then the states that are red. It’s just that people in CA are not as misguided like those in red states. Just joking.There is a saying that as California goes so goes the rest of the country. I think that is true when it comes to climate change and the diversity of the people who live in the state. CA is feeling the affects of climate change with the drought and wildfires and has for several years which will and is spreading to other states. The same with the diversity of the people who live in this state and that it will eventually spread to other states as well if it hasn’t already. Should I bring out now? In my opinion the reason why President Biden wants to have the first primary in South Carolina is because, if I’m remembering correctly, that was the state that pushed Joe Biden to the front of the pack in the 2020 primary and pretty much decided that Joe Biden would be the Democratic Nominee. So he is acknowledging how important South Carolina was to him becoming the nominee. And I could be wrong and right now I’m too lazy to google it. You could argue that about FL too, you know... |
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Post by lisae on Dec 2, 2022 18:01:55 GMT
In my opinion the reason why President Biden wants to have the first primary in South Carolina is because, if I’m remembering correctly, that was the state that pushed Joe Biden to the front of the pack in the 2020 primary and pretty much decided that Joe Biden would be the Democratic Nominee. So It was and it is his reason. |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 2, 2022 18:30:13 GMT
South Carolina makes more sense than a state far down the list like Connecticut. South Carolina was already near the top of the list.
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Post by Zee on Dec 2, 2022 20:22:24 GMT
Iowa pushed to the back of the country again 🙄 is right though in that Iowa isn’t very diverse with white residents making up 89.08% of the population. Only five states have a higher percentage of white residents, with Maine (93.68%), Vermont (93.60%), West Virginia (92.52%), New Hampshire (91.98%) and Wyoming (90.35%) topping it. Iowa also ranks 31st in total population in the U.S. with 3,219,171 residents, so it makes sense to me to choose a more populous, more diverse state to host the first primary. South Carolina has almost two million more residents than Iowa does (5,217,037) and ranks 23rd. worldpopulationreview.com/states/states-by-raceLeave Iowa aloooooonnnne 😫 |
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Post by Zee on Dec 2, 2022 20:27:53 GMT
Iowa pushed to the back of the country again 🙄 I don't understand? The red-headed stepchild of the US. We have ONE THING, people. Two if you count the Field of Dreams 😆 Let us have our moment. (I don't live there anymore but I can't tell you how excited it makes the people of Iowa to be first, it's truly a source of pride and almost as exciting as when a celebrity is spotted somewhere in the state) |
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Post by Merge on Dec 2, 2022 21:00:44 GMT
The red-headed stepchild of the US. We have ONE THING, people. Two if you count the Field of Dreams 😆 Let us have our moment. (I don't live there anymore but I can't tell you how excited it makes the people of Iowa to be first, it's truly a source of pride and almost as exciting as when a celebrity is spotted somewhere in the state) My friends in Nebraska have been posting a joke this month about Iowa having bad corn. Nebraska's is better. Man, if y'all can't even brag about your corn any more ...  |
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Post by Zee on Dec 2, 2022 21:04:01 GMT
The red-headed stepchild of the US. We have ONE THING, people. Two if you count the Field of Dreams 😆 Let us have our moment. (I don't live there anymore but I can't tell you how excited it makes the people of Iowa to be first, it's truly a source of pride and almost as exciting as when a celebrity is spotted somewhere in the state) My friends in Nebraska have been posting a joke this month about Iowa having bad corn. Nebraska's is better. Man, if y'all can't even brag about your corn any more ... I'll let them have #1 corn since that's all they have. We have hogs and soy in addition to corn 💅💃 *twirls* |
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Post by Merge on Dec 2, 2022 21:06:52 GMT
My friends in Nebraska have been posting a joke this month about Iowa having bad corn. Nebraska's is better. Man, if y'all can't even brag about your corn any more ... I'll let them have #1 corn since that's all they have. We have hogs and soy in addition to corn 💅💃 *twirls* Ah, but does Iowa have a unicameral legislature? No, I think not. Because ONLY NEBRASKA DOES. Also, we had a really good football team back in the 80s. That's super important. Ask anyone who lives in Nebraska. |
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 2, 2022 23:25:15 GMT
Long overdue! I've never understood why New Hampshire and Iowa are the first two states. Maybe it worked decades ago, but not now.
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He was in the Bernie corner, and the Warren folks shared their pizza. He got a button and went home. He said he was glad he went because it was educational but he also found it somewhat ridiculous.
