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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Dec 7, 2014 14:10:05 GMT
I know the term White Privilege makes some peoples blood boil. But this is such a well written piece that I thought I would share it anyway. The Source : occupywallstreet.net/story/explaining-white-privilege-broke-white-personYears ago, some feminist on the internet told me I was "Privileged."
"THE FUCK!?!?" I said.
I came from the kind of Poor that people don't want to believe still exists in this country. Have you ever spent a frigid northern Illinois winter without heat or running water? I have. At twelve years old, were you making ramen noodles in a coffee maker with water you fetched from a public bathroom? I was. Have you ever lived in a camper year round and used a random relative's apartment as your mailing address? We did. Did you attend so many different elementary schools that you can only remember a quarter of their names? Welcome to my childhood.
So when that feminist told me I had "white privilege," I told her that my white skin didn't do shit to prevent me from experiencing poverty. Then, like any good, educated feminist would, she directed me to Peggy McIntosh's 1988 now-famous piece, "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack."
After one reads McIntosh's powerful essay, it's impossible to deny that being born with white skin in America affords people certain unearned privileges in life that people of another skin color simple are not afforded. For example:
"I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented." "When I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization,” I am shown that people of my color made it what it is." "If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race." "I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time." If you read through the rest of the list, you can see how white people and people of color experience the world in two very different ways. BUT LISTEN: This is not said to make white people feel guilty about their privilege. It's not your fault you were born with white skin and experience these privileges. BUT, whether you realize it or not, you DO benefit from it, and it IS your fault if you don't maintain awareness of that fact.
I do understand McIntosh's essay may rub some people the wrong way. There are several points on the list that I felt spoke more to the author's status as a Middle Class person than a White Person. For example:
"If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area, which I can afford and in which I would want to live." "I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me." "I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed." "If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege." And there are so many more points in the essay where the word "race" could be substituted for the word "class" which would ultimately paint a very different picture. That is why I had such a hard time identifying with this essay for so long. When I first wrote about White Privilege years ago, I demanded to know why this White Woman felt that my experiences were the same as hers when no, my family most certainly could not rent housing "in an area which we could afford and want to live."
And no, I couldn't go shopping without fear in our low income neighborhoods.
The idea that any ol' white person can find a publisher for a piece is most certainly a symptom of class privilege. Having come from a family of people who didn't even graduate high school, who knew not a single academic or intellectual person, it would never occur to me to assume that I could be published. It is an absolute freak anomaly that I'm in graduate school considering not one person on either side of my family has a college degree. And it took me until my thirties to ever believe that someone from my stock could achieve such a thing. Poverty colors nearly everything about your perspective on opportunities for advancement in life. Middle class, educated people assume that anyone can achieve their goals if they work hard enough. Folks steeped in poverty rarely see a life past working at the gas station, making the rent on their trailer, and self-medicating with cigarettes and prescription drugs until they die of a heart attack. (I've just described one whole side of my family and the life I assumed I'd be living before I lucked out of it.)
I, maybe more than most people, can completely understand why broke white folks get pissed when the word "Privilege" is thrown around. As a child, I was constantly discriminated against because of my poverty and those wounds still run very deep. But luckily my college education introduced me to a more nuanced concept of Privilege; the term Intersectionality. The concept of Intersectionality recognizes that people can be privileged in some ways and definitely not privileged in others. There are many different types of privilege, not just skin color privilege, that impact the way people can move through the world or are discriminated against. These are all things you are born into, not things you earned, that afford you opportunities others may not have. For example:
Citizenship - Simply being born in this country affords you certain privileges non-citizens will never access. Class - Being born into a financially stable family can help guarantee your health, happiness, safety, education, intelligence, and future opportunities. Sexual Orientation - By being born straight, every state in this country affords you privileges that non-straight folks have to fight the Supreme Court for. Sex - By being born male, you can assume that you can walk through a parking garage without worrying you'll be raped and that a defense attorney will then blame it on what you were wearing. Ability - By being born able bodied, you probably don't have to plan your life around handicap access, braille, or other special needs. Gender - By being born cisgendered, you aren't worried that the restroom or locker room you use will invoke public outrage. As you can see, belonging to one or more category of Privilege, especially being a Straight White Middle Class Able-Bodied Male, can be like winning a lottery you didn't even know you were playing. But this is not to imply that any form of privilege is exactly the same as another or that people lacking in one area of privilege understand what it's like to be lacking in other areas. Race discrimination is not equal to Sex Discrimination and so forth. And listen, recognizing Privilege doesn't mean suffering guilt or shame for your lot in life. Nobody's saying that Straight White Middle Class Able-Bodied Males are all a bunch of assholes who don't work hard for what they have. Recognizing Privilege simply means being aware that some people have to work much harder just to experience the things you take for granted (if they ever can experience them at all.)
I know now that I AM Privileged in many ways. I am Privileged as a natural born white citizen. I am privileged as a cis-gendered woman. I am privileged as an able-bodied person. I am privileged that my first language is also our national language, and that I was born with an intellect and ambition that pulled me out of the poverty I was otherwise destined for. I was privileged to be able to marry my way "up" by partnering with a Privileged middle-class educated male who fully expected me to earn a college degree.
There are a million ways I experience Privilege, and some that I certainly don't. But thankfully, Intersectionality allows us to examine these varying dimensions and degrees of discrimination while raising awareness of the results of multiple systems of oppression at work.
Tell me, are you a White Person made uncomfortable by the term "White Privilege?" Does a more nuanced approach help you see your own Privilege more clearly?
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Post by eleezybeth on Dec 7, 2014 14:22:49 GMT
Thanks for sharing!
Sometimes awareness causes us to look outside of ourselves and that can be painful. Often you can hear the hurt when you listen to people who vehemently disagree with white privilege. It's not hate, it's pain and that acceptance of the pain from the internal source can be too hard to handle for some. She did a great job explaining that!
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Post by flanz on Dec 7, 2014 14:30:26 GMT
EXCELLENT PIECE!!! Thanks for sharing. I have only quite recently become aware of my white privilege too. I hate that it is a fact, but it is. And my beginnings were very, very humble. However, as a daughter of a Catholic holocaust survivor Dad (2.5 years POW in brutal conditions followed by a total of 3 years in 3 different concentration camps including Dachau at its worst), I have long been sickened by injustice of any kind. I had, naively, believed that much progress had been made in race relations since the civil rights movement of the 60s, but the sickening, appalling information about the police brutality and evidence that there is no such thing as equal justice for people of color in this country have brought me to my senses. And it's a very sad realization, knowing how much hatred and prejudice others experience in this country, and that our skin color shields me and my family from the same injustices...
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Post by lisacharlotte on Dec 7, 2014 14:42:10 GMT
this issue confuses me. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with my white privilege. apologize? I don't get how my being aware of my WP is going change things? Maybe someone here can explain it to me but I don't get it every time this subject comes up. I'm not being facetious.
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Post by quiltz on Dec 7, 2014 14:44:23 GMT
All I can say that I am so glad that I live in Canada.
Yes, there are some racial tensions, but the whole black vs white thing is really not an issue, at least where I am. There is such a diversity of people from all over the world.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Dec 7, 2014 14:45:14 GMT
When I teach/talk about privilege, I talk about all types of privilege and not just "white" privilege. We read the knapsack article, but I always emphasize that privilege is "unearned" and I stress that it isn't about guilt, it's about awareness.
I think it's interesting how upset some people are about privilege. I think the idea just throws people off because they just can't imagine that we are not really all born on equal footing, and that all we have or don't have can at least have beginnings in our luck of the draw at birth. It reminds me of the people who have had one child who is laid back and easy and then they have a second or third child who is not easy, and they realize that they weren't necessarily better parents then others; they were just lucky.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Dec 7, 2014 15:03:31 GMT
this issue confuses me. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with my white privilege. apologize? I don't get how my being aware of my WP is going change things? Maybe someone here can explain it to me but I don't get it every time this subject comes up. I'm not being facetious. It gives me perspective. When I am working with my students or dealing with people outside my socioeconomic reality, it gives me insight into their frustrations and perspective. If I have a student who comes from a background of parents who never graduated from high school, don't speak English, can't pay their rent, have mental illness, used drugs while pg or now... Or students who are born gay, non-white, in poverty, it helps me to realize that we don't always speak the same language. My dh and I are fairly similar in background(relatively speaking), but he had parents that never went to college nor ever thought of going to college. His mom started having babies at 19---back to back. College was never discussed, pushed or even a glimmer of thought for him or his siblings. I grew up with college educated parents. It was always part of our discussions and it was just assumed I'd go to college. I went to college and he did not. He currently makes more than I do through hard work and luck, but he works in a dying industry and we know that ultimately, his background likely limited his potential earning power and future marketability---and maybe even his level of happiness. He can and could still go to college as an adult. However, we started with different vocabularies and expectations in our lives and it helps me to understand him better.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Dec 7, 2014 15:04:29 GMT
what exactly is this awareness doing? this is what trips me up.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Dec 7, 2014 15:09:23 GMT
Um, it give me empathy? It makes me a better teacher because I don't just assume all kids come with the same toolbox and motivation that I have or others have? It makes me less of a smug asshole?
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Dec 7, 2014 15:09:54 GMT
this issue confuses me. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with my white privilege. apologize? I don't get how my being aware of my WP is going change things? Maybe someone here can explain it to me but I don't get it every time this subject comes up. I'm not being facetious. I think understanding it, accepting it and being empathetic to those who don't experience it in the same way as I do, allows me to be more open and accepting of who they are and understanding that we don't all have the same starting or reference point. You shouldn't apologize for something you didn't ask for and you can't change. You can however view what is happening in our world through a different lens because you are aware of your privilege. I went through a very tough time financially after my divorce, but I had income security, because I come from a large middle class family. I knew that if things got to a point I could move and live with any number of family members, I had a safety net. When I see other families that are teetering on the edge I see them differently, I know that I only survived because I knew I had that safety net, I would not have taken the risks that I did that got me to where I am now without the safety net. To me that is my example of how I understand privilege and how it shapes who I am, and what I say and do.
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Post by anonrefugee on Dec 7, 2014 15:11:43 GMT
lisacharlotte, I think this part: "Recognizing Privilege simply means being aware that some people have to work much harder just to experience the things you take for granted" Sums it up. There are little slights non-whites endure everyday (hailing a cab, watched in stores, etc) that whites don't factor into their day. Small actions that must add up to a larger burden over time. Of course there are bigger issues too. And like the article says, it doesn't mean whites aren't working hard to earn a living.
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Post by Pahina722 on Dec 7, 2014 15:22:12 GMT
Since I teach African-American literature, this is definitely a topic that comes up in my classes, and teaching the class has given me a better perspective on how different my (middle class, college-educated, white, from a family that values education) life has been from SOME of theirs. However, I have to agree with part of the article that states that a big part of what we call white privilege is really middle class privilege. The kids in my classes who have similar middle class backgrounds ( whether black, white, or polka-dotted) see the world differently from those who didn't have those advantages.
What frustrates me about the whole issue is that it becomes an attack on those who are "privileged," as if somehow we didn't have to work to earn our degrees, pay our bills, get our jobs and build our careers. And when it is an "unprivileged" person whose PhD has been paid by our employer or who was handed a job without having to apply for it or who was hired because the hiring committee was told that the employer needed more of a demographic or who is incompetent but can't be fired because of race . . . That is lecturing me about my " white privilege," it is beyond annoying.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Dec 7, 2014 15:31:09 GMT
well, I'm not being a smug asshole, I'm asking a legitimate question. I did not have to be told I have white privilege to be empathetic to others. I guess I don't see how this term doesn't further divide us into "us & them."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 15:35:53 GMT
well, I'm not being a smug asshole, I'm asking a legitimate question. I did not have to be told I have white privilege to be empathetic to others. I guess I don't see how this term doesn't further divide us into "us & them." But like it or not there is a divide. And it's huge.
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Post by myshelly on Dec 7, 2014 15:39:40 GMT
well, I'm not being a smug asshole, I'm asking a legitimate question. I did not have to be told I have white privilege to be empathetic to others. I guess I don't see how this term doesn't further divide us into "us & them." I know you said in your first post you weren't being facetious, but the more you post the harder it is to believe that. It definitely seems that you are being purposely obtuse. You truly can't see how it helps for people in positions of authority such as teachers, cops, policy makers to understand how different people experience the same thing in different ways?
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Post by melanell on Dec 7, 2014 15:50:52 GMT
I am not uncomfortable with the term. I am not uncomfortable being a white person and hearing the term directed at me. The term itself does not offend me or make me feel guilty or defensive.
I think the term clearly and accurately describes a very real situation that exists in the country in which I live.
And that is what is upsetting to me. The fact that we need to have this term. The fact that a situation exists in which when tiny babies enter the world here, and based on nothing more than the color of their skin, the one that happens to be white gets a little invisible check mark in an invisible box that says "Yes, I'd like certain circumstances of my life to be easier for me based on nothing I have actually done or ever will do."
The term is not uncomfortable, but feeling that I might be given allowances I don't deserve or that I haven't proved I deserve, over someone else, based on nothing more than our skin, that absolutely makes me uncomfortable. It's unfair. It's offensive. It's maddening. It makes me want to cry and scream at the insanity of it.
I don't want people to stop using the term because some people don't like the term. If the term ever stops being used, I would want it to happen only because it was no longer necessary. My reaction to the term itself is "I know. I agree. And I don't want it to be this way."
As for the article itself, I do agree that some of the points can be class related in some areas. But in many of those cases, I believe it would then be both class related and race related, not class related instead of race related. So yes, it may apply to low-income white individuals, but it would likely still also apply to black individuals.
I think that low income white individuals often already feel like they have so much less than others and that they struggle so much more, that it is easy for them to have an immediate shocked reaction to anyone suggesting that they have any small "edge" over anyone else in any situation. They feel beat down and they lash out at the idea that they, of all people, can be called "privileged".
And I think that's why the term is important, because it helps people really think about the day to day indignities, worries, and treatment of others. And any time we take a moment to truly imagine ourselves in another's shoes it is a good thing. Empathy & understanding are tools to better ourselves and to better communicate with and relate to others. And any small positive step is worth taking. So while there may be no real answers to the racial problems we face on the current horizon, if we can consistently take some of those small positive steps, perhaps then hope can exist that there may be continued larger improvement in the future, too.
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Post by carly on Dec 7, 2014 15:51:30 GMT
But you never hear how being black in America gives certain privileges also. All you ever hear is how bad the whites are. I know I would be a lot better off in America than I would be in Africa. Blacks have a lot of privilege living in this great country but it is always about how bad they have it. Hearing that ALL the time wears greatly on some people.
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Post by moveablefeast on Dec 7, 2014 15:56:26 GMT
well, I'm not being a smug asshole, I'm asking a legitimate question. I did not have to be told I have white privilege to be empathetic to others. I guess I don't see how this term doesn't further divide us into "us & them." Culturally speaking - there really is an us and them. That's part of the problem. So while I as an individual might not have any prejudice in me (I don't always know that that's true, but that's another post for another time) I do think on a broad level there really is a divide. And I think understanding that divide is really important. Because it leads to an understanding of the achievement gaps that actually do exist in reality. They start early and last through adulthood. This is a statistical reality - it doesn't always represent an individual reality but it represents the big picture. It helps me on many levels to know what gaps exist in my community - I'm in education and studying to be a professional librarian - it helps me to know how to identify what shortfalls might exist in my community that I can help remedy as a professional. It helps me to understand the children in my care and the patrons I serve at the library. It helps me to understand the cultural and societal challenges that exist and how those play out on a personal level. I am a white girl from middle Appalachia and I have a mixed experience. I grew up poor, went to an elite college, live a middle middle middle class life and work hard to make ends meet but not nearly as hard as half the families whose kids are in my daughter's school. I have some experience of privilege and I have some experience of lack. I can operate under cultural stereotypes, I can walk around totally ignoring any inequities that exist, or I can understand what's really going on and do my best to counteract the many ways that individuals of all types experience limitation because of their characteristics.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Dec 7, 2014 16:04:43 GMT
I think the term "white privilege" is so presumptive.
My great grandparents on my fathers side immigrated to the U.S. with little more than the clothes they had on their backs, they were uneducated. My grandparents got little more than an 8th grade education, my dad and his cousins finished high school. Many in those generations from the early 1900's on served in the military and fought in a war. My dad met my mom during the Korean War, she had nothing and lived in a war torn country where people were starving.
My generation, born in the 50's was the first to have the opportunity to attend college.
I am the beneficiary of generations before me who labored long days, often 7 days a week in brass mills, all poor laborers. But they saved and worked hard so the next generation could move another rung up the ladder.
I don't remember my grandparents ever going on vacation. I know of hardships many in the family had, but the family gave a hand up. Family took care of family, no welfare, no food stamps.
Is that the white privilege of which you speak?
I wanted to add that our family by marriage now includes Latino's who have had a similar but more recent immigration experience and each successive generation has done better and has moved into the middle class.
I see Asian & Indian & Middle eastern families doing the same.
So, I am going to throw the ball back into your court. Please articulate why African Americans cannot replicate the success other minority classes of Americans have?
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Post by Olan on Dec 7, 2014 16:08:27 GMT
But you never hear how being black in America gives certain privileges also. All you ever hear is how bad the whites are. I know I would be a lot better off in America than I would be in Africa. Blacks have a lot of privilege living in this great country but it is always about how bad they have it. Hearing that ALL the time wears greatly on some people. Have you ever been to Africa?
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Post by carly on Dec 7, 2014 16:12:38 GMT
But you never hear how being black in America gives certain privileges also. All you ever hear is how bad the whites are. I know I would be a lot better off in America than I would be in Africa. Blacks have a lot of privilege living in this great country but it is always about how bad they have it. Hearing that ALL the time wears greatly on some people. Have you ever been to Africa? Yes, unfortunately I go twice a year to Djibouti. How bout you? Want me to load some pics of their houses under car hoods? Not just a few homeless I am speaking of entire neighborhoods.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Dec 7, 2014 16:20:58 GMT
The interesting thing about the internet is that people make assumptions about who you are and what you believe. Especially when you don't agree with them or share their same viewpoint.
Neither dh nor I feel much white privilege. He was born in the Bronx, raised by a single mom who is mentally challenged. I'm a high school drop out, raised by a high school drop out, have lived in public housing and had a parent that abused me. We have both worked hard to put us where we are and it took us many years get here.
Neither of us are white. Neither of us used our minority status as a reason to be less then we could be.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 7, 2014 16:22:19 GMT
Here we go again. Hold on to your hats.
If the old board was any indication, this topic REALLY angers people. Seems like part of the problem is a misunderstanding of the word "privilege" when applied to specific attributes - instead, insisting on equating it to overall privilege/wealth/class/upbringing. Also problematic: the inability to be able discern, and then acknowledge, privilege of any type when you've always benefitted from it. It's easier to see from the outside than the inside - whether it's color, class, gender, religion, age, or nationality.
And yes, it can cut both ways. Doesn't mean that negates the basic concept of privilege.
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Post by Sarah*H on Dec 7, 2014 16:26:06 GMT
To paraphrase Jon Stewart - oh you're tired of hearing about it? Imagine how it is to live it.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Dec 7, 2014 16:31:35 GMT
Here is a recent editorial piece a Georgetown student wrote. He wants so badly to excuse a crime by blaming it on his "white privilege". I think this is a slippery slope.
I Was Mugged, and I Understand Why.
Last weekend, my housemate and I were mugged at gunpoint while walking home from Dupont Circle. The entire incident lasted under a minute, as I was forced to the floor, handed over my phone and was patted down.
And yet, when a reporter asked whether I was surprised that this happened in Georgetown, I immediately answered: “Not at all.” It was so clear to me that we live in the most privileged neighborhood within a city that has historically been, and continues to be, harshly unequal. While we aren’t often confronted by this stark reality west of Rock Creek Park, the economic inequality is very real.
Year after year, Washington, D.C., is ranked among the most unequal cities in the country, with the wealthiest 5 percent earning an estimated 54 times more than the poorest 20 percent. According to the D.C. Fiscal Policy Institute, just under 20 percent of D.C. residents live below the poverty line.
What has been most startling to me, even more so than the incident itself, have been the reactions I’ve gotten. I kept hearing “thugs,” “criminals” and “bad people.” While I understand why one might jump to that conclusion, I don’t think this is fair.
Not once did I consider our attackers to be “bad people.” I trust that they weren’t trying to hurt me. In fact, if they knew me, I bet they’d think I was okay. They wanted my stuff, not me. While I don’t know what exactly they needed the money for, I do know that I’ve never once had to think about going out on a Saturday night to mug people. I had never before seen a gun, let alone known where to get one. The fact that these two kids, who appeared younger than I, have even had to entertain these questions suggests their universes are light years away from mine.
I come from a solidly middle-class family, and, with relatives in Mexico City, certainly don’t consider myself entirely shielded from poverty. And yet I’d venture to guess that our attackers have had to experience things I’ve never dreamed of. When I struggled in school, I had parents who willingly sat down with me and helped me work through it. When I have a problem, I have countless people who I can turn to for solid advice.
When I walk around at 2 a.m., nobody looks at me suspiciously, and police don’t ask me any questions. I wonder if our attackers could say the same.
Who am I to stand from my perch of privilege, surrounded by million-dollar homes and paying for a $60,000 education, to condemn these young men as “thugs?” It’s precisely this kind of “otherization” that fuels the problem.
Young people who willingly or unwillingly go down this road have been dealt a bad hand. While speaking with a D.C. police officer after the incident, he explained that he too had come from difficult circumstances, and yet had made the decision not to get involved in crime. This is a very fair point — we all make decisions. Yet I’ve never had to decide whether or not to steal from people. We’re all capable of good and bad, but it’s a whole lot easier for me to choose good than it may be for them to.
If we ever want opportunistic crime to end, we should look at ourselves first. Simply amplifying police presence will not solve the issue. Police protect us by keeping those “bad people” out of our neighborhood, and I’m grateful for it. And yet, I realize it’s self-serving and doesn’t actually fix anything.
When we play along with a system that fuels this kind of desperation, we can’t be surprised when we’re touched by it. Maybe these two kids are caught, and this recent crime wave dies down, but it will return because the demand is still there, and the supply is still here. We have a lot, and plenty of opportunities to make even more. They have very little, and few opportunities to make ends meet.
The millennial generation is taking over the reins of the world, and thus we are presented with a wonderful opportunity to right some of the wrongs of the past. As young people, we need to devote real energy to solving what are collective challenges. Until we do so, we should get comfortable with sporadic muggings and break-ins. I can hardly blame them. The cards are all in our hands, and we’re not playing them.
Oliver Friedfeld is a senior in the School of Foreign Service.
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Post by myshelly on Dec 7, 2014 16:35:44 GMT
I think the term "white privilege" is so presumptive. My great grandparents on my fathers side immigrated to the U.S. with little more than the clothes they had on their backs, they were uneducated. My grandparents got little more than an 8th grade education, my dad and his cousins finished high school. Many in those generations from the early 1900's on served in the military and fought in a war. My dad met my mom during the Korean War, she had nothing and lived in a war torn country where people were starving. My generation, born in the 50's was the first to have the opportunity to attend college. I am the beneficiary of generations before me who labored long days, often 7 days a week in brass mills, all poor laborers. But they saved and worked hard so the next generation could move another rung up the ladder. I don't remember my grandparents ever going on vacation. I know of hardships many in the family had, but the family gave a hand up. Family took care of family, no welfare, no food stamps. Is that the white privilege of which you speak? I wanted to add that our family by marriage now includes Latino's who have had a similar but more recent immigration experience and each successive generation has done better and has moved into the middle class. I see Asian & Indian & Middle eastern families doing the same. So, I am going to throw the ball back into your court. Please articulate why African Americans cannot replicate the success other minority classes of Americans have? Did you read the whole OP? The article quoted in the OP is specifically about a situation like yours. And no, that is not the white privilege of which anyone speaks. I hate it when people just hear or see the term "white privilege" and automatically get defensive like this instead of educating themselves about what it actually means.
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thatgirlintexas
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Jun 26, 2014 1:30:39 GMT
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Post by thatgirlintexas on Dec 7, 2014 16:58:51 GMT
But you never hear how being black in America gives certain privileges also. All you ever hear is how bad the whites are. I know I would be a lot better off in America than I would be in Africa. Blacks have a lot of privilege living in this great country but it is always about how bad they have it. Hearing that ALL the time wears greatly on some people. Maybe when white students start being disciplined as harshly as black students for the same infraction... Maybe when the racial disparities in incarceration and drug sentencing change.. Maybe when minorities are given better access to healthcare... Maybe when supermarkets decide to open more stores in black neighborhoods and fast food chains stop targeting those neighborhoods... Maybe when police are held accountable for killing a "suspect"... Maybe then we might say how good we have it.
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Sarah*H
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Jun 25, 2014 20:07:06 GMT
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Post by Sarah*H on Dec 7, 2014 17:04:11 GMT
What is wrong with you? Why can't you just be grateful that at least you weren't born in Africa?
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Post by rebelyelle on Dec 7, 2014 17:04:22 GMT
But you never hear how being black in America gives certain privileges also. All you ever hear is how bad the whites are. I know I would be a lot better off in America than I would be in Africa. Blacks have a lot of privilege living in this great country but it is always about how bad they have it. Hearing that ALL the time wears greatly on some people. Certainly being an AMERICAN is privileged, I don't think many people would dispute that. But exactly what privilege do you believe blacks have over whites in America?
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Post by hop2 on Dec 7, 2014 17:10:50 GMT
All I can say that I am so glad that I live in Canada.
Yes, there are some racial tensions, but the whole black vs white thing is really not an issue, at least where I am. There is such a diversity of people from all over the world.
I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but that comes off as smug and maybe a bit naive or ignorant. The US doesn't have the corner on the market for any of this. And the concept that it doesn't apply in Canada ( or anywhere else for that matter ) seems really unaware. I am not trying to be mean or disrespectful but most people on earth benefit from or have advantages simply by being born who they are, where they are, to varying degrees. For example there are advantages to being born in a place that has water easily accessible water as opposed to not is an advantage. And there isn't anything you need to do about it other than acknowledge it and be aware and maybe treat other people with empathy.
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