oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Dec 8, 2022 18:29:48 GMT
I've been following this story and it's heartbreaking! So many hospitalized children from a disease that there is a 100% effective vaccine for. The count is now at 60 in multiple counties. This can be so deadly, I haven't heard of any child deaths thank goodness but so many are so very sick and miserable. IDK how these parents can live with themselves.
This is unreal..how has our society gone so backward!
I'm wondering what you guys are hearing out there, hoping that people are now lining up to get their kids vaccinated because this has them scared not to. I'm hoping that this changes hearts and attitudes.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 8, 2022 18:40:23 GMT
Some of the problem delay and/or missed vaccines because of Covid isolation. So it is not all neglect.
There are parents who do refuse. There was a major outbreak in the Yonkers area of NY. They actually isolated the whole neighborhood. They made special food delivers etc..
The situation will go beyond just measles in the future.
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Post by smasonnc on Dec 8, 2022 18:57:17 GMT
But...autism. Right? They did their research. I guess essential oils don't work after all.
This p*$$es me off so much. I lost a lot of my eyesight to measles before there was a vaccine.
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Post by oh yvonne on Dec 8, 2022 19:51:20 GMT
But...autism. Right? They did their research. I guess essential oils don't work after all. This p*$$es me off so much. I lost a lot of my eyesight to measles before there was a vaccine. oh no! I'm so sorry..people forget there are people who lived through the years before the vaccine. This is just so maddening and upsetting.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 8, 2022 21:34:29 GMT
I had measles when my DS was an infant. I was not immune, so he wasn't either. He was taken to his doctor for other shots. I was very sick.
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Post by pantsonfire on Dec 8, 2022 21:59:15 GMT
Just an FYI, while people may get the vaccine, it isn't 100% effective for everyone.
I got all childhood vaccines and I have never been able to build and hold immunity to MMR and I have to get my pneumonia shot sooner than ever 5 years.
There are also kids and adults who can not vaccinate for real reasons.
I am pro vaccination but I am also fully aware of the other side because of immune issues, allergies, medical needs, etc.
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Post by maryland on Dec 8, 2022 22:03:40 GMT
But...autism. Right? They did their research. I guess essential oils don't work after all. This p*$$es me off so much. I lost a lot of my eyesight to measles before there was a vaccine. I am so sorry. I agree with you. I have heard that was a complication with measles and that alone would make me get my child vaccinated. We are so fortunate that vaccines are available.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 8, 2022 22:07:35 GMT
Because there are people who cannot get vaccines it is all the more important for the rest of us to be vaccinated!
I got measles, along with most other 'childhood diseases' long before there was ever a vaccine. I did the get smallpox :scratch' and Salk when available...followed by the Sabin.. I had chicken pox, scarlet fever, whooping cough, but not measles or mumps for some reason..
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Post by scrappinmama on Dec 8, 2022 22:11:36 GMT
Just an FYI, while people may get the vaccine, it isn't 100% effective for everyone. I got all childhood vaccines and I have never been able to build and hold immunity to MMR and I have to get my pneumonia shot sooner than ever 5 years. There are also kids and adults who can not vaccinate for real reasons. I am pro vaccination but I am also fully aware of the other side because of immune issues, allergies, medical needs, etc. I totally agree. Which makes me even angrier at people who can get vaccinated but refuse to do so. I think it's been reported that all the children are unvaccinated. So this outbreak is so unnecessary. Even the COVID outbreak isn't a good enough excuse. It's been 3 years. There is no reason why people should be avoiding vaccines and using COVID as an excuse at this point.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 8, 2022 22:11:54 GMT
But...autism. Right? They did their research. I guess essential oils don't work after all. This p*$$es me off so much. I lost a lot of my eyesight to measles before there was a vaccine. Sorry. There are some who lost their hearing also. I won't mention the horror of polio..
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Post by Judy26 on Dec 8, 2022 22:15:55 GMT
This is exactly why we need everyone able to get vaccinated. So those who are most vulnerable and can’t be vaccinated are protected. I can’t tell you how upset I get with those who don’t take advantage of the medical advances afforded us today. Our country needs an intervention, I swear!
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Post by Scrapper100 on Dec 8, 2022 23:12:21 GMT
So it was daycares so they don’t require vaccines in Ohio? I know many are too young and some can’t get them but what about the others? I asked a friend that runs a licensed in home daycare in California and they are required to enforce being vaccinated on schedule here. It’s part of being licensed.
Wondering how many other states don’t require basic vaccinations in daycares.
All those poor kids. I feel so bad for them.
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Post by natscraps on Dec 9, 2022 11:51:20 GMT
I’m in Ohio and run a preschool. We are technically licensed as a daycare. Children are required by the state to be vaccinated for multiple things including a yearly flu vaccine. Immunization records have to be updated annually. Parents are allowed to waive vaccinations for religious or medical reasons and the doctor must sign off on it. We’ve received a few notices on symptoms to watch for and procedures to follow if we suspect a case of measles.
I’m in the Cleveland area and haven’t heard too much about it. Around here we’re more concerned about RSV and flu hospitalizing kids at the moment.
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 9, 2022 12:07:53 GMT
I am sorry for those children. “Roberts said that the children affected by the Ohio outbreak appear to be unvaccinated because their families rejected the vaccine, not because they had delays in their vaccinations as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. The Columbus health department offers the vaccine at its clinic but the department hasn’t seen any uptick in the number of people seeking out the MMR vaccine in response to the outbreak, officials said. It’s still not clear how large this outbreak could become. The health department doesn’t have good visibility into the percentage of people who are vaccinated against measles in the state of Ohio, Roberts said. Her team is working with the CDC, insurance providers and medical providers to get a better estimate of that number.“ abcnews.go.com/Health/63-children-sick-measles-ohio/story?id=94786263
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Post by oh yvonne on Dec 9, 2022 15:33:03 GMT
I’m in Ohio and run a preschool. We are technically licensed as a daycare. Children are required by the state to be vaccinated for multiple things including a yearly flu vaccine. Immunization records have to be updated annually. Parents are allowed to waive vaccinations for religious or medical reasons and the doctor must sign off on it. We’ve received a few notices on symptoms to watch for and procedures to follow if we suspect a case of measles. I’m in the Cleveland area and haven’t heard too much about it. Around here we’re more concerned about RSV and flu hospitalizing kids at the moment. I think its a good sign you are from the area and not hearing too much about it. Its obv isolated pockets of kids but since the state enforces vaccines it sounds like the vast majority are vaccinated and I hope the state continues to enforce it. It's just such a tough year between RSV/COVID/Flu to put measles on top of it.
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Post by scrappinmama on Dec 9, 2022 15:57:41 GMT
So it was daycares so they don’t require vaccines in Ohio? I know many are too young and some can’t get them but what about the others? I asked a friend that runs a licensed in home daycare in California and they are required to enforce being vaccinated on schedule here. It’s part of being licensed. Wondering how many other states don’t require basic vaccinations in daycares. All those poor kids. I feel so bad for them. Each state is different. I live in Kansas. School boards may exclude students who have not completed the required inoculations. This decision rests with each school board.
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Post by stormycat on Dec 9, 2022 16:00:31 GMT
Just an FYI, while people may get the vaccine, it isn't 100% effective for everyone. I got all childhood vaccines and I have never been able to build and hold immunity to MMR and I have to get my pneumonia shot sooner than ever 5 years. There are also kids and adults who can not vaccinate for real reasons. I am pro vaccination but I am also fully aware of the other side because of immune issues, allergies, medical needs, etc. I am the sane. I actually had both the measles and mumps as an adult. I have a son who is not vaccinated against pertussis. It is contradicted by the manufacturer and the CDC as he has intractable Epilepsy and a history of Infantile Spasms. My Pediatrician, make that former Ped argued with me about it. I did my research, I even sent it to her, but she wouldn’t hear of it. She insisted he had to get it. I refused and left that practice. My new Ped completely agrees with me and wrote me a letter to anyone who needs to see it on why he isn’t vaccinated.
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Post by sabrinae on Dec 9, 2022 16:06:30 GMT
I’m in Ohio and run a preschool. We are technically licensed as a daycare. Children are required by the state to be vaccinated for multiple things including a yearly flu vaccine. Immunization records have to be updated annually. Parents are allowed to waive vaccinations for religious or medical reasons and the doctor must sign off on it. We’ve received a few notices on symptoms to watch for and procedures to follow if we suspect a case of measles. I’m in the Cleveland area and haven’t heard too much about it. Around here we’re more concerned about RSV and flu hospitalizing kids at the moment. I think its a good sign you are from the area and not hearing too much about it. Its obv isolated pockets of kids but since the state enforces vaccines it sounds like the vast majority are vaccinated and I hope the state continues to enforce it. It's just such a tough year between RSV/COVID/Flu to put measles on top of it. . Ohio allows for exemptions that are easy to get. Ohio’s childhood vaccination rates have been steadily declining. There are steadily growing pockets of the population that aren’t vaccinated. Ohio is getting hit pretty hard by the rsv/flu/Covid trifecta right now so that’s been a more immediate concern.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 11, 2022 16:36:30 GMT
Why vaccines are at issue.... This seems only for healthcare facilities and medical/doctor's offices. A federal judge has struck down a significant part of Montana’s controversial anti-vaccine bill because it is both unconstitutional and conflicts with federal law, dealing another legal defeat to a raft of bills passed by the 2021 Legislature and ultimately struck down by state and federal courts.*** The legal challenge against what was then House Bill 702, has been steadily challenged and gutted at the state and federal court level. This time, U.S. District Court Judge Donald W. Molloy said that the provisions that affect healthcare settings – from hospitals to doctor’s offices to nursing homes – are illegal because the law treats those healthcare settings differently, creating different requirements for the same classes healthcare employees... *** House Bill 702 was passed in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, and aimed at the coronavirus’ vaccine, but went farther and said that employers, including some healthcare settings, could not require any vaccine including polio, measles and other long standing vaccine requirements.*** “In this case, as with many cases in litigation, there are ironies,” Molloy said. ‘The striking irony for the court here stems from an acknowledgement of the role of Dr. Maurice Hilleman in the history of the development as well as the efficacy of vaccines. Dr. Hilleman is known as the ‘Father of Modern Vaccines.’ The irony is that Dr. Hilleman was born in Miles City, Montana, graduated from Montana State College in 1957 and was the most prolific vaccine scientist of the 20th century. He is estimated to have saved more lives through vaccines he invented than any other medical scientist.” www.rawstory.com/anti-vaxx-montana/
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 18:15:42 GMT
Just popping in to say that the measles vaccine does not have 100% efficacy. No vaccine does. Some, like the one for measles, are very, very efficacious, but none roll at 100%.
Carry on.
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Post by SockMonkey on Dec 11, 2022 18:22:35 GMT
Just popping in to say that the measles vaccine does not have 100% efficacy. No vaccine does. Some, like the one for measles, are very, very efficacious, but none roll at 100%. Carry on. No, but when large groups in a single community refuse vaccines, you end up with outbreaks like this that make everyone else less safe. Measles should have been eradicated in this country, with very, very few cases. Unfortunately, mis- and disinformation have caused people to believe that vaccines aren't safe. I hate it here sometimes.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 11, 2022 18:32:46 GMT
But...autism. Right? They did their research. I guess essential oils don't work after all. This p*$$es me off so much. I lost a lot of my eyesight to measles before there was a vaccine. Sorry. There are some who lost their hearing also. I won't mention the horror of polio.. Why not, there’s too many people now who have never come in contact with anyone who had polio so they consider it no big deal. My uncle was affected by it the rest of his life and he had a “mild” case. I think we need to talk about the horrors of polio so these young people realize there is a danger if they don’t vaccinate their kids. One of the reasons I laughed at the rights freak out over the US’s extremely loose Covid “quarantine” is because there were very real quarantined in this country due to polio. Very strict quarantines
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 11, 2022 18:37:16 GMT
Most of my friends and I got measles, mumps and chicken pox, because there were no vaccines at the time. I do not recommend it. Chicken pox was especially bad. My mom made me wear gloves so that I wouldn’t’t scratch and get pockmarks. Millions of people had deep scars from it.
With measles, I had a high fever. They put me in an alcohol bath to get it down. My oldest brother got it in college and landed in the hospital.
With mumps, my neck was nearly even with my shoulders. I remember all 3 vividly. Parents whose kids can get vaccinated who don’t do it are playing with fire.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 18:40:26 GMT
Just popping in to say that the measles vaccine does not have 100% efficacy. No vaccine does. Some, like the one for measles, are very, very efficacious, but none roll at 100%. Carry on. No, but when large groups in a single community refuse vaccines, you end up with outbreaks like this that make everyone else less safe. Measles should have been eradicated in this country, with very, very few cases. Unfortunately, mis- and disinformation have caused people to believe that vaccines aren't safe. I hate it here sometimes. You'll get no argument from me on whether or not the MMR is a worthwhile vaccine! Measles was considered eradicated, or eliminated, in this country (in 2000? somewhere around there) but that's a sticky wicket since if we know there is no such thing as 100% efficacy, then we know that no disease can ever truly be eradicated. (and that's not to say we stop trying)
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Post by hop2 on Dec 11, 2022 18:44:01 GMT
The people who are having kids today are mostly young enough to have little knowledge of these diseases including polio and are much more likely to just not vaccinate their kids. They do not realize the big deal. Or they mistakenly think that since those diseases are pretty rare that vaccines are no longer necessary
Polio will be back next.
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Post by Lexica on Dec 11, 2022 18:53:48 GMT
I remember when the measles vaccine was approved for wide-spread use. They turned the cafeteria at my elementary school into a vaccination station and everyone lined up to get it. My entire neighborhood was there along with so many kids from my class. The only negative regarding that vaccine for me personally was that a boy in my class that I had a crush on was in getting his shot too and I think he saw me bury my face into my mom's waist when I got it. I was really afraid it was going to hurt because my younger sister went before me and she cried and let out a big yelp when the needle went in. It didn't really hurt, but he saw me being a big chicken.
Did you see the article about the infant in New Zealand that needed urgent open heart surgery to survive. His parents refused to allow doctors to take the necessary blood work on the baby for typing to prepare for his surgery. The doctors ended up calling the police and a judge stepped in and removed the infant from his parents, assigning two doctors to make his medical decisions until he was recovered from the surgery. The parents had refused the blood work, chest X-rays, and the anesthetic assessment necessary for the procedure. They were demanding that only blood from people who did not receive the Covid vaccination be used during their baby's surgery. They were told there wasn't time for a directed donor blood situation. Especially in New Zealand where 90% of the population has been vaccinated. Locating and testing the small percentage that the parent's deemed acceptable would have taken too long and the baby probably wouldn't have survived.
The surgery has been performed and the baby is doing well now. I can't imagine delaying heart surgery on my dying baby! I just feel so badly for people that are making decisions like this based on misinformation and fear. I have no doubt they thought they were doing the right thing and protecting their infant, but their child would have paid the price for their beliefs.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 11, 2022 19:29:31 GMT
Getting chicken pox = getting shingles!!
Getting measles has other longer term affects... Eye sight, hearing, heart damage...
Polio is literally crippling. It is revisiting adults in later years.
Whooping cought is deadly to infants, very young children.
Rubella in adults causes death and/or injury to in vitro fetuses...
Mumps can cause sterility in teens and adult males..
Go with no Vaccines. Those you infect may be your own!!
Let us not forget what could happen if smallpox returns here.
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Post by maryannscraps on Dec 11, 2022 20:30:04 GMT
The combination of the medical breakthroughs of vaccines and antibiotics, that occurred around the same time, led to American lifespans increasing by 20!!! years, from about 60 to about 80.
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Post by monklady123 on Dec 11, 2022 20:43:46 GMT
The people who are having kids today are mostly young enough to have little knowledge of these diseases including polio and are much more likely to just not vaccinate their kids. They do not realize the big deal. Or they mistakenly think that since those diseases are pretty rare that vaccines are no longer necessary Polio will be back next. But who are the doctors who are taking care of these non-vaccinated babies? Are there really pediatricians who don't push vaccines? I remember my kids' pediatrician telling me (this was years ago) that she wouldn't even see non-vaccinated children in her practice. (obviously she meant kids who were old enough for whatever vaccines were given at that age, not babies who were too young...and also obviously not children who had some medical reason not receive a vaccine). If you were a patient of hers you rolled up your sleeve and got your vaccines. lol. Or your parents rolled up your sleeves for you.
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Post by teddyw on Dec 11, 2022 21:30:04 GMT
This is local to me. Most of the cases are in kids under 2 who have only had the 1st vaccine. The 2nd one is at 2 years. If they’ve said where patient zero was I missed it. The cdc is here helping with the tracking. Because of the 8 day span of contagion and not knowing you have it for up to 21 days this will go on a little while. They do say where exactly the cases have visited in the public. A church, Meier store, Dollar Tree and the mall. hop2 I agree wholeheartedly polio will be back eventually.
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