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Post by librarylady on Dec 29, 2022 13:32:59 GMT
I THOUGHT in the past, the House of Rep. would refuse to seat someone who didn't have proper credentials. Will Santos just slide in with no objections?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 29, 2022 14:27:25 GMT
Seems on par with the republican values. Shows them that he is willing to lie for the cause, which is exactly what they want.
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Post by mich5481 on Dec 29, 2022 14:43:00 GMT
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Post by SockMonkey on Dec 29, 2022 14:43:46 GMT
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Post by mom on Dec 29, 2022 15:08:47 GMT
Im not surprised he lied...I am surprised he got away with so many lies for this long. You'd think someone would have caught him before now. But yes, he needs to seated on Jan 6 and then there should be a vote to kick him out.
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Post by Merge on Dec 29, 2022 15:14:42 GMT
Nothing will happen. In a few days, there will be some other scandal and this will be forgotten. The GOP has already taken the “but Biden” stance and has no intention of jettisoning this guy.
In two years, the people who elected him will have the opportunity to get rid of him, but likely they won’t.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 29, 2022 15:40:32 GMT
He may be 25 and an American Citizen so despite the lies he will seated. But there is a little matter of $700,000 that he loaned his campaign which resulted in this….
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Post by mich5481 on Dec 29, 2022 15:42:10 GMT
Nothing will happen. In a few days, there will be some other scandal and this will be forgotten. The GOP has already taken the “but Biden” stance and has no intention of jettisoning this guy. In two years, the people who elected him will have the opportunity to get rid of him, but likely they won’t. It's like the Ralph Northam blackface scandal in VA in 2019 - oppo never uncovered it/released the info during the campaign, it came out after he was elected, there was an outcry, but he never resigned. VA does limit governors to one term, so he wasn't eligible for reelection in 2021, but who knows if he'll ever run for office again.
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Post by elaine on Dec 29, 2022 16:19:38 GMT
Im not surprised he lied...I am surprised he got away with so many lies for this long. You'd think someone would have caught him before now. But yes, he needs to seated on Jan 6 and then there should be a vote to kick him out. That Santos was elected is partially the fault of the Democratic Party. If the DNC doesn’t have fact checkers going through the statements and RESUMES of Republican candidates that is on us. Once a person is actually elected, it is a bit too late. McCarthy and the rest of the Republicans in Congress will do nothing. McCarthy needs his vote to become Speaker. The rest of them are probably happy that Santos is willing to lie about anything and then double-down when called on it.
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Post by Merge on Dec 29, 2022 17:09:10 GMT
Im not surprised he lied...I am surprised he got away with so many lies for this long. You'd think someone would have caught him before now. But yes, he needs to seated on Jan 6 and then there should be a vote to kick him out. That Santos was elected is partially the fault of the Democratic Party. If the DNC doesn’t have fact checkers going through the statements and RESUMES of Republican candidates that is on us. Once a person is actually elected, it is a bit too late. McCarthy and the rest of the Republicans in Congress will do nothing. McCarthy needs his vote to become Speaker. The rest of them are probably happy that Santos is willing to lie about anything and then double-down when called on it. Oh yeah, he’ll fit right in. And I agree that Dems could and should have done more digging on this guy. The district was a reliably blue one before this. Is it possible that they never thought he’d be elected? Has anyone looked into - I hate to say it - the possibility of election fraud in that district?
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Post by pilcas on Dec 29, 2022 17:12:03 GMT
Fits perfectly into the Republican value system.
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Post by elaine on Dec 29, 2022 17:23:15 GMT
That Santos was elected is partially the fault of the Democratic Party. If the DNC doesn’t have fact checkers going through the statements and RESUMES of Republican candidates that is on us. Once a person is actually elected, it is a bit too late. McCarthy and the rest of the Republicans in Congress will do nothing. McCarthy needs his vote to become Speaker. The rest of them are probably happy that Santos is willing to lie about anything and then double-down when called on it. Oh yeah, he’ll fit right in. And I agree that Dems could and should have done more digging on this guy. The district was a reliably blue one before this. Is it possible that they never thought he’d be elected? Has anyone looked into - I hate to say it - the possibility of election fraud in that district? I doubt election fraud. This is an excellent opinion article on why/how Santos won: www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/george-santos-fraud-long-island/672587/With a completely fictitious resume, Santos appeared to be someone who people in that district would feel comfortable voting for. Even if they didn’t think he would be elected, some of the lies apparently were so blatant that someone doing lower level surveillance/digging should have caught them. For instance, lying about education on a resume and in speeches is fairly easy to check.
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Post by Karene on Dec 29, 2022 17:34:31 GMT
I watched Beau of the Fifth Column's Youtube video on this and he makes a good point. Here is a Republican candidate who lied about just about everything, and yet who are people blaming? The Democratic Party and the Media. Not the party that put him forward because it is so corrupt right now that of course he was there candidate.
But why is it considered the fault of the Democratic Party and the Media. Why should they have to vet everyone that does not even belong to them? How about the candidates themselves be who they say they are. Why is Santos to blame? Why isn't the Republican Party called out about it, not people who had nothing to do with him running and getting elected?
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Post by elaine on Dec 29, 2022 17:52:33 GMT
I watched Beau of the Fifth Column's Youtube video on this and he makes a good point. Here is a Republican candidate who lied about just about everything, and yet who are people blaming? The Democratic Party and the Media. Not the party that put him forward because it is so corrupt right now that of course he was there candidate. But why is it considered the fault of the Democratic Party and the Media. Why should they have to vet everyone that does not even belong to them? How about the candidates themselves be who they say they are. Why is Santos to blame? Why isn't the Republican Party called out about it, not people who had nothing to do with him running and getting elected? By saying that it is PARTIALLY the fault of the DNC (I was very careful in my language when I posted), I am not saying that the Republican Party and Santos bear no responsibility. When the current Republican Party has proven REPEATEDLY over the past decade that they are willing to blatantly lie, forgive blatant lies and other misconduct on the part of their politicians, and put forth revisionist history to the point that it is frighteningly like 1984 (January 6th, anyone?), then, yes, it is on the Democratic Party to vet the candidates. Of course the unethical and downright frightening behavior on the part of Republican politicians is their fault and their responsibility. But, they have shown that that is who they are and that they will continue to engage in that behavior to hold onto power. And, it is downright stupid, knowing that, that no one in the DNC caught Santos’ lies until after he was elected. If your opponent repeatedly shows you who they are, you should believe them and do something about it IF you are invested in maintaining a powerful voice in the government. My fear is that the Democratic Party has now demonstrated that we won’t/don’t investigate Republican politicians’ resumes and that we will have more blatantly lying candidates with fictitious qualifications from the Republican Party to contend with. I give money to the DNC and I expect it to be used wisely.
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Post by papersilly on Dec 29, 2022 17:56:49 GMT
i think the GOP will let him slide based on their Christian values of "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.’”
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Post by Merge on Dec 29, 2022 18:06:26 GMT
Oh yeah, he’ll fit right in. And I agree that Dems could and should have done more digging on this guy. The district was a reliably blue one before this. Is it possible that they never thought he’d be elected? Has anyone looked into - I hate to say it - the possibility of election fraud in that district? I doubt election fraud. This is an excellent opinion article on why/how Santos won: www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/george-santos-fraud-long-island/672587/With a completely fictitious resume, Santos appeared to be someone who people in that district would feel comfortable voting for. Even if they didn’t think he would be elected, some of the lies apparently were so blatant that someone doing lower level surveillance/digging should have caught them. For instance, lying about education on a resume and in speeches is fairly easy to check. For sure. Dems really dropped the ball there.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 29, 2022 19:05:43 GMT
Surprised New Yorkers are putting up with his lies about his mother was killed the WTC attack?!? But no he said that she died in 2016??
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 29, 2022 19:53:39 GMT
I am surprised he got away with so many lies for this long. You'd think someone would have caught him before now. The weird thing is there were local media reports of at least some of this weeks before the election. That Santos was elected is partially the fault of the Democratic Party. If the DNC doesn’t have fact checkers going through the statements and RESUMES of Republican candidates that is on us. These are kind of unprecedented times, but have we really had to fact check education and employment claims before? Religion and family history? The level of deceit and shamelessness from Santos is mind blowing. Oppo research isn't traditionally about fact checking the basics of a resume, it's about knowing a candidates ideological/policy positions, voting records, personal indiscretions, etc. I think the national news cycle was solidly invested in the story of a big red wave, expecting the GOP to win both the House and Senate, and didn't want to give air time to a story that deviated from that message. I also think if Santos had a Primary fight we wouldn't be here. He was the only GOP candidate which really surprised me for a district without an incumbent running.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 29, 2022 20:25:35 GMT
I really want to know where his money actually came from.
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Post by librarylady on Dec 29, 2022 20:37:33 GMT
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Post by lucyg on Dec 29, 2022 21:04:37 GMT
I saw the Democrat who ran against him on TV the other day, saying he’d been trying to raise the alarm about Santos with the DNC throughout the election. That no one at the party was paying any attention. I’m sure they thought it was a safe Democratic seat and they didn’t need to bother.
grrrrrrr …
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 29, 2022 21:15:45 GMT
The seat Santos won was formerly filled by Suozzi... Follow the money.... "But big concerns about his financial disclosures," continued Suozzi. "The U.S. Attorney's office can investigate him to find out where this money came from that he — you know, when he ran against me, he had $40,000 in his campaign account. It was the middle of COVID. I never even mentioned his name in the campaign. I beat him by 12 points. Now all of the sudden he had all this money that he loaned from himself. When he was running against me ... he was being evicted for nonpayment of rent. Then during this campaign, he loaned $700,000 to his campaign. As you mentioned, the New York Attorney General can investigate him. So there are so many different things that can happen." "But the bottom line is, this is bad for the Republican Party. This is bad for America," said Suozzi. "People don't know who to trust anymore. They don't know who to trust in politics. And this is just making it much — this is so crazy. This is a crazy story. And it's just bad for all of us. It's sad. It's this kind of culture that President Trump gave us. You can just say whatever you want and nobody is going to follow up on it." At the same time, Politico's Laura Rozen has noticed that there are a number of reimbursements that the campaign made to Santos that all are the exact same amount. Il Bacco Restaurante, for example, cost $199.99, his Hyatt Orlando Hotel was also $199.99, as was one reimbursement for a Delta Airlines plane ticket, BJ's Wholesale expenses were also $199.99. An Uber taxi fare in California turned out to be $199.99. Another Florida hotel in South Beach, Florida was $199.99. Oddly the Hyatt Orlando says their going rate is $250. The W Hotel in South Beach costs a little closer to $737 a night in the low season and over $1,200 during the high season. Ironically, $199.99 is the top dollar amount that can be contributed before there's a need for a public disclosure of the donor, amount, date of receipt, and the occupation and employer of the donor, the FEC website explains. "The committee must also itemize, as a memo entry, any specific transactions charged on a credit card if payments to the actual vendor exceed the $200 aggregate threshold during the calendar year. The memo entry must include the name and address of the vendor, the purpose of the disbursement, date the services were received, and the amount of the disbursement," the FEC also says. It's aggregate, however. So, the $199.99 payment to Il Bacco Restaurante three times means it's going to be public. It's unclear what Santos was doing with the reimbursements but it's likely to draw the eye of the FEC. www.rawstory.com/new-york-lawmaker-urges-federal-prosecutors-to-investigate-george-santos-questionable-finances/
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Post by peano on Dec 29, 2022 21:17:56 GMT
I saw the Democrat who ran against him on TV the other day, saying he’d been trying to raise the alarm about Santos with the DNC throughout the election. That no one at the party was paying any attention. I’m sure they thought it was a safe Democratic seat and they didn’t need to bother. grrrrrrr … In one of the political columns I subscribe to, a NY Democratic Party staffer said they did try to raise the alarm with the media, but nothing happened. Maybe also because it was thought to be a safe Democratic seat.
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Post by myboysnme on Dec 29, 2022 22:12:18 GMT
It's like the Ralph Northam blackface scandal in VA in 2019 - oppo never uncovered it/released the info during the campaign, it came out after he was elected, there was an outcry, but he never resigned. VA does limit governors to one term, so he wasn't eligible for reelection in 2021, but who knows if he'll ever run for office again. I don't think the two situations are the same at all. Northam never lied about his credentials. He was who he said he was. And he may or may not have been in that photo, it was never definitive. Even if he was in the photo, it is not the same. Not by a long shot.
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Post by Merge on Dec 30, 2022 1:43:16 GMT
Keep in mind that degrees and experience are not necessary to hold public office. There are no qualifications other than age and residency. A healthy chunk of the electorate actually thinks that less education and experience are better. Pathological lying is also not disqualifying to those people. Watch for this guy to become a folk hero to the right - the guy who was clever enough to pull one over on the left despite his lack of ... everything. This will be seen as master-level lib owning. They'll elect him again by a landslide.
Really, we're doomed as a country. But watching the downfall can at least be entertaining. End of the American experiment bingo, anyone?
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 30, 2022 3:48:41 GMT
It doesn't look like he has any intention of resigning. For $100 you can attend his swearing in ceremony and get a tour of the Capitol Grounds. There is a VIP $500 option, but no indication of what extras you get with the upgrade. One minor glitch, the invitation is for January 3, 20 22.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 30, 2022 6:01:21 GMT
Keep in mind that degrees and experience are not necessary to hold public office. There are no qualifications other than age and residency. A healthy chunk of the electorate actually thinks that less education and experience are better. Pathological lying is also not disqualifying to those people. Watch for this guy to become a folk hero to the right - the guy who was clever enough to pull one over on the left despite his lack of ... everything. This will be seen as master-level lib owning. They'll elect him again by a landslide. I’m not so sure that’s the case here, though. It’s a heavily-Jewish district in Queens with a history of voting Democratic. He presented himself as Jewish and the grandson of Holocaust survivors. I don’t think these people would likely vote for him, or someone like him, again.
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 30, 2022 11:56:49 GMT
I doubt it. They should, because he is a compulsive liar.
ETA: I do think this underscores the importance-for Democrats-of good oppo research. I’m not blaming them, just saying that a basic check of credentials is a good idea.
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Post by Jili on Dec 30, 2022 13:59:02 GMT
Unfortunately, I don’t think he’s going anywhere. He’ll probably get some prestigious committee assignments.
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Post by peano on Dec 30, 2022 15:31:43 GMT
From The Washington Post
A tiny paper broke the George Santos scandal, but no one paid attention
By Sarah Ellison
Months before the New York Times published a December article suggesting Rep.-elect George Santos (R-N.Y.) had fabricated much of his résumé and biography, a tiny publication on Long Island was ringing alarm bells about its local candidate. The North Shore Leader wrote in September, when few others were covering Santos, about his “inexplicable rise” in reported net worth — from essentially nothing in 2020 to as much as $11 million two years later. The story noted other oddities about the self-described gay Trump supporter with Jewish heritage, who would go on to flip New York’s 3rd Congressional District from blue to red, and is now under investigation by authorities for misrepresenting his background to voters. “Interestingly, Santos shows no U.S. real property in his financial disclosure, although he has repeatedly claimed to own ‘a mansion in Oyster Bay Cove’ on Tiffany Road; and ‘a mansion in the Hamptons’ on Dune Road,” managing editor Maureen Daly wrote in the Leader. “For a man of such alleged wealth, campaign records show that Santos and his husband live in a rented apartment, in an attached rowhouse in Queens.” The Leader reluctantly endorsed Santos’s Democratic opponent the next month. “This newspaper would like to endorse a Republican,” it wrote, but Santos “is so bizarre, unprincipled and sketchy that we cannot. … He boasts like an insecure child — but he’s most likely just a fabulist — a fake.” It was the stuff national headlines are supposed to be built on: A hyperlocal outlet like the Leader does the leg work, regional papers verify and amplify the story, and before long an emerging political scandal is being broadcast coast-to-coast. But that system, which has atrophied for decades amid the destruction of news economies, appears to have failed completely this time. Despite a well-heeled and well-connected readership — the Leader’s publisher says it counts among its subscribers Fox News hosts Sean Hannity and Jesse Watters and several senior people at Newsday, a once-mighty Long Island-based tabloid that has won 19 Pulitzers — no one followed its story before Election Day. When Santos apologized for “embellishing my résumé,” in a New York Post interview published Monday, he also vowed to serve out his term as a U.S. congressman. Local news doesn’t get much more local than the Leader. A weekly published and primarily run by Grant Lally, an attorney whose parents bought it in the late 1990s, most of the newspaper’s staff works part time and holds down other jobs to pay the bills. “Nobody can survive on local papers alone,” Lally said in an interview. Lally was particularly well-prepared to cover the race for New York’s 3rd; he had run for the seat himself in 1994, 1996 and again in 2014. A lifelong Republican, Lally was George W. Bush’s floor manager in Miami during the 2000 presidential election recount. The Leader’s staff, which includes students and retirees, all are steeped in the largely wealthy local communities on the North Shore of Long Island, which gives them access to local political gossip. “We can boil that down very quickly,” said Lally. A few years ago, Lally said, he went to lunch with Santos, who was soliciting support for his political career. “Right from the start, there was something off with him,” he recalled. Santos told Lally that his family was from Belgium. Years later, Lally said, he watched Santos on the campaign trail “talking about his grandparents who had fled the Holocaust from Ukraine.” “It was just a flagrant blatant concoction,” Lally said. Lally has stayed in touch with his former staffers from his congressional campaigns, who would sometimes call him to gossip about local elections over the spring and summer. “You wouldn’t believe what we are seeing about Santos,” Lally recalled being told on some of those calls. One tip came from a local home builder who said he had driven Santos around Long Island to look at mansions the candidate claimed to own and wanted to renovate. But Santos wouldn’t let the builder inside any of the homes, Lally said. He claimed he had tenants that prevented them from entering. Another call came from a state senator who said a house in the Hamptons that Santos claimed to own was worth far less than the candidate said — and was owned by someone else anyway. These tips helped inform the Leader’s reporting and its editorial, which were deeply skeptical of Santos’s claims of sudden riches. “We expected it to pop a lot more than it did,” Lally said. For one, he thought that Santos’s opponent, Robert Zimmerman (D), would have made more of the Leader’s endorsement and “pushed” the contradictions his newspaper uncovered into larger publications such as Newsday and the New York Times. Zimmerman told the Post that there were “many red flags that were brought to the attention of many folks in the media” but that “frankly a lot of folks in the media are saying they didn’t have the personnel, time or money to delve further” into the story. “This experience has shown me just how important it is for everyone to support local media.” Kim Como, a spokeswoman for Newsday, did not answer specific questions about the paper’s coverage of Santos but said in a statement: “We are continuing to cover the Santos story every day.” It’s possible that the Leader’s reporting fell into a void in part because there are fewer papers to cover the news than in the past. The number of journalists has declined by 60 percent since 2005, according to government statistics. Research from the Medill School of Journalism at Northwestern University this year found that on average two newspapers are disappearing in the U.S. every week. The nation has lost more than a quarter of its newspapers since 2005 and is on track to lose one-third by 2025. There are now more than 1,600 counties with only one newspaper, typically a weekly. “Local journalists are kind of like having beat cops walking the street,” said Tim Franklin, senior associate dean and professor at the Medill School. “Just as good beat cops can help keep a neighborhood safer, the presence of local journalists help to keep our politics more honest and our government more accountable.” Franklin predicts that “if we don’t fix the crisis in local news, we’re going to see more George Santos-type cases and instances of politicians going unchecked.” Santos and his representatives did not respond to requests for comment. Ashley Fetters Maloy and Azi Paybarah contributed to this report.
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