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Post by gar on Jan 3, 2023 9:26:52 GMT
Probably not. It falls right in line with the rest of the conspiracy theories that surround this couple. And I bet plenty of others believe the same thing. All those people who supposedly don’t GAS about H&M. Thankfully, somehow, I never get to hear/read that sort of crap.
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Post by gar on Jan 3, 2023 9:29:56 GMT
I’m never going to understand the intensity of hate for those two. It’s just weird. I'm with gillyp, no hatred here just real sadness and disappointment. I guess it feels different if you're British.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 3, 2023 10:23:10 GMT
I’m never going to understand the intensity of hate for those two. It’s just weird. Talking about what two people put out into the public sphere isn't "hate" They are making shows, writing books etc...and people have opinions about that. Some of those opinions are negative about what they are doing (again PUBLICALY) but that isn't the same as hating them. I'm fascinated by how they are imploding their lives and the choices they are making, and I'm always up to talk about it. But nothing they do impacts me personally...so there's no "hate" involved.
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Post by monklady123 on Jan 3, 2023 11:12:58 GMT
Most publishers require the author to promote the book. He is doing one interview in the UK and one in the US, which doesn't seem excessive IMHO. No book tour or signing meet & greets in Costco have been announced so far. This. It’s part of the deal. I’m never going to understand the intensity of hate for those two. It’s just weird. No hate here. Hate is a pretty strong word and I reserve it for people who are truly deserving. For Harry and Meagan no hate, but I think it's silly to say you're moving to another country and leaving your family so you can have privacy, and then go all public with books and interviews. If they truly wanted privacy they wouldn't be putting their business everywhere.
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Post by lainey on Jan 3, 2023 11:38:38 GMT
I’m not sure how often they need to “tell their truth” before they finally get that we’ve heard it from them multiple times (Oprah, never ending interviews, 6 hour Netflix docuseries and now Harry’s book). They don’t seem to understand that not everyone is going to like them. People aren’t required to like them. They will receive criticism just like everyone else in the public sphere. Mostly I’m waiting for some concrete accusation, names attached and proof. You want to accuse someone in the public forum, you need to come with receipts. I am waiting for concrete proof that the children exist and were not born via surrogate. Are you ok hun?
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 3, 2023 13:58:18 GMT
I came in just to say that I'm relatively uninvested either way but after the snippet from the last interview where he blamed "Buckingham Palace" even I was like, "for fuck's sake, can you use actual names instead of 'the institution' or 'they'?" I have no idea if he's blaming Lady in Waiting Dame Ella Fitzwilliams Lionheart de Poperie or King Charles or Palace Butler John Diggory McHewson or press office administrative assistant Marjorie Beauxbottom. There is no "they." There is no "institution." There are actual human beings who have allegedly done the things he claims and actual human beings who have allegedly directed those things to be done and at this point, either name the names and demand accountability or quit whingeing about it! And while he's at it, maybe he can elucidate us more on who has been planting the stories about William and Kate.
Anyway, that's what I came in to say then I saw the post about the conspiracy theory and I'm going to slowly back out because seriously, wtf? The kids clearly exist. Does anyone really think they are entitled to the intimate details as to their conception and birth?!!?
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 3, 2023 14:35:18 GMT
Good lord, why did the crazy surrogate conspiracy pea have to quote me to add her crazy to the discussion?!
I want clarity. Seems to be a lot if accusations from Harry without any concrete facts. There are also contradictory statements and proven untruths that have come directly from Harry and Meghan. I don’t understand why people are equating any criticism or request for proof as hate.
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Post by Zee on Jan 3, 2023 16:43:33 GMT
I am waiting for concrete proof that the children exist and were not born via surrogate. Are you ok hun? YOU'RE BACK! ❤️🥰
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Post by pilcas on Jan 3, 2023 17:04:30 GMT
Most publishers require the author to promote the book. He is doing one interview in the UK and one in the US, which doesn't seem excessive IMHO. No book tour or signing meet & greets in Costco have been announced so far. This. It’s part of the deal. I’m never going to understand the intensity of hate for those two. It’s just weird. It’s not hate, I felt sorry for Meagan when her father was bad mouthing her before the wedding but now they are doing the same. It usually is not a great idea to air out your dirty laundry in public but when you do it for money….
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Post by RosieKat on Jan 3, 2023 18:56:01 GMT
There are actual human beings who have allegedly done the things he claims and actual human beings who have allegedly directed those things to be done and at this point, either name the names and demand accountability or quit whingeing about it! Agreed. They've worn this one out, frankly. I understand if you feel you can't name names but should be able to, but then that means you won't. So do it or be quiet about it and move on. I think everyone, including my husband who barely has a clue who H & M are, knows about the allegations against "The Institution" at this point, so H & M's "side" is known. Now name names or move on if you can't/won't. That's why they get under my skin so much. I never have cared for her, but just in the ordinary "Eh, her personality doesn't appeal to me and I don't find her all that and then some" kind of way. I do think they (she) got some undeserved racist crap, and I do suspect she wasn't as protected as she should have been. I don't even have an issue with them pursuing the lawsuit, for example. But where they are now just feels like tattling, without even saying who you're tattling on. And PS, Harry, families don't always get along. I'm sorry if William shouted at you, but really? We're going to complain about that in your documentary? "My big brudder got mad at me and yelleded!" I'm sure it was intense and very unpleasant, and it does sound like they didn't want Megan there. But we don't need to add details like this that just make you sound whiny. My petty whine, since we're talking about it - why do they call each other H and M? It sounds a little twee and cutesy to me, like they're trying to hard to prove they just adore each other. Yes, that's petty and judgmental of me, but so be it. I'm not in line for the throne.
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Post by austnscrapaddict on Jan 3, 2023 19:06:05 GMT
It was all fun and games when Megan wanted her " princess fairy tale" wedding, but that turned into, ignore us, no wait, don't ignore us. we want the spotlight but only when WE want it.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 3, 2023 20:13:08 GMT
There are actual human beings who have allegedly done the things he claims and actual human beings who have allegedly directed those things to be done and at this point, either name the names and demand accountability or quit whingeing about it! Agreed. They've worn this one out, frankly. I understand if you feel you can't name names but should be able to, but then that means you won't. So do it or be quiet about it and move on. I think everyone, including my husband who barely has a clue who H & M are, knows about the allegations against "The Institution" at this point, so H & M's "side" is known. Now name names or move on if you can't/won't. That's why they get under my skin so much. I never have cared for her, but just in the ordinary "Eh, her personality doesn't appeal to me and I don't find her all that and then some" kind of way. I do think they (she) got some undeserved racist crap, and I do suspect she wasn't as protected as she should have been. I don't even have an issue with them pursuing the lawsuit, for example. But where they are now just feels like tattling, without even saying who you're tattling on. And PS, Harry, families don't always get along. I'm sorry if William shouted at you, but really? We're going to complain about that in your documentary? "My big brudder got mad at me and yelleded!" I'm sure it was intense and very unpleasant, and it does sound like they didn't want Megan there. But we don't need to add details like this that just make you sound whiny. My petty whine, since we're talking about it - why do they call each other H and M? It sounds a little twee and cutesy to me, like they're trying to hard to prove they just adore each other. Yes, that's petty and judgmental of me, but so be it. I'm not in line for the throne. Yes its like they are trying to prove remind us they invented love and have the biggest most romantic love story of all time (TM). LOL
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Post by amp on Jan 3, 2023 21:17:21 GMT
Prince Harry reminds me of the cousin who airs the family dirty laundry on Facebook. 'Since Dad won't answer my call, I'll just post everything here and if he doesn't publicly respond, then at least you know the whole truth'. You know, the crazy cousin that you unfollow and block? That one. Exactly!! I don't hate them, I don't even know them. But I am SO SICK of all the whining. We get it. You think the British Royal Family sucks. Why can't they just focus on doing something positive for attention?
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Post by pjaye on Jan 4, 2023 0:13:13 GMT
And PS, Harry, families don't always get along. I'm sorry if William shouted at you, but really? We're going to complain about that in your documentary? "My big brudder got mad at me and yelleded!" We've all seen petulant, moody Harry and I don't believe for a second that he wasn't yelling back. He tells the story as if he just sat there cowering while William shouted, that's where you need a proper interviewer who asks "well, what did you do? did you shout back?" Then we might get a realistic picture not just one side of the story. That's what never happens in any of these shows and podcasts they've done so far. I'm doubtful it will happen this time as well, the UK interviewer Bradby was the one who did the famous "no-one has asked me if I'm OK" bit with Meghan, so he's always been quite sympathetic to them. He has the potential to be good because he understands what Harry is talking about, especially when it comes to how the UK press work and also his knowledge of the Royal family, but we'll have to wait and see if he does a real interview or just a pretend one to let Harry talk about what he wants to. I like Anderson Cooper but I saw a YouTube clip of him fawning about how Harry waved at him during the wedding and him saying "I almost died" Yeah, so he's going in as a fan and a bit star stuck already, and he also doesn't have firsthand knowledge of the Royal Family to challenge anything Harry says. Of course this is where Harry has the advantage...how many people have knowledge of his role inside the royal family and in private? If I give an interview about being a nurse and say a bunch of stuff that just isn't true...literally thousands of nurses can come forward and say "no, that's NOT how we do it"...and provide proof. But when Harry talks about what happened inside the Royal family (as "the institution" and not the private family) very few people have that knowledge, so he gets away with portraying it however he wants and a whole bunch of people take it as gospel.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 4, 2023 0:22:22 GMT
On a brighter note, welcome back lainey ! It's nice to "see" you.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 5, 2023 3:59:47 GMT
OOOP - Harry's fired up the flame thrower and is burning those bridges... There'll be no getting his brother back now that's he's claiming he beat him up. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11600691/Prince-Harry-says-brother-William-physically-attacked-calling-Meghan-difficult-rude.htmlYou know who H&M remind me of? One of those epic posts that goes south here and escalates over 20+ pages. They make a claim expecting to get sympathy...they get quite a bit initially but some people don't quite believe the story and say so. Then they get annoyed and so add new details to make the original information sound more believable, but instead of more outrage on their behalf, now there are more questions. So they add totally new information which is MUCH worse than what they originally said, and then get their "friends" to join to back them up ( ) When that doesn't work they start getting annoyed and bitchy insulting us all for being too stupid to understand and they have all of the information and we just can't possibly understand how bad it is. Then there are claims about the Altoona police verifying their statements before it descends into a total shit show. H & M at the Altoona police stage with this latest claim of Willy breaking Harold's necklace. Keep your eye out for David Hasselhoff dancing through the background of the Anderson Cooper interview.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 5, 2023 4:58:32 GMT
And now Harry claims William and Catherine told him to wear the Nazi costume.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 5, 2023 8:27:47 GMT
I read that piece about the fight last night. It was meant to have come from the book Spare, yes? So who is referring to Harry as Harold? The book or the paper? Either way, his name is Henry not Harold. I can understand sloppy reporting but if it’s in his book . .
Ah, it says further down in the piece linked that Harry claims the brothers call each other Willy and Harold. Now all I can hear is Wills calling out “Harold” like Wilfred Brambell in Steptoe and Son!
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Post by pjaye on Jan 5, 2023 8:52:21 GMT
Ah, it says further down in the piece linked that Harry claims the brothers call each other Willy and Harold. I was skeptical at first, but there hasn't been any denial or retraction so the longer it goes on, I'm coming around to it being real. Plus you'd have to think that so many places wouldn't be reporting it if it wasn't confirmed as being from the book- especially considering how litigation happy Harry is. Looks like he's going to drop every little family secret down to nicknames we've never heard before. I don't know if Harry thinks this is going to get him more sympathy, or what exactly his plan is with this? I'll bet he's pissed that this leaked before the interview where he says he wants his brother & father back - because he's just blown that chance to smithereens.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 5, 2023 13:12:23 GMT
The headlines all day on the news here have been “William attacked Harry”. Any mother of two or more siblings will be so used to the sibling fighting and “mom, he hit me” “mom, she pulled my hair”. This really should not be sensationalised and given headline treatment.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 5, 2023 13:29:45 GMT
And now Harry claims William and Catherine told him to wear the Nazi costume. I swear someone speculated yesterday on TikTok that you watch, someone will say William will be blamed for the Nazi costume. WTAF? ?? I haven't seen this in the news yet, but didnt Harry go thru therapy and sensitivity classes after that?
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 5, 2023 13:40:51 GMT
The headlines all day on the news here have been “William attacked Harry”. Any mother of two or more siblings will be so used to the sibling fighting and “mom, he hit me” “mom, she pulled my hair”. This really should not be sensationalised and given headline treatment. Exactly, just because they are royal doesn't mean someone never gave a wedgie or got put in a headlock and a got a good razzing! But I guess this will help sell his book. I have been seeing a lot of NO advanced copies passed out, so this info was leaked. I am sure to help sell more books.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 5, 2023 14:09:48 GMT
And now Harry claims William and Catherine told him to wear the Nazi costume. I swear someone speculated yesterday on TikTok that you watch, someone will say William will be blamed for the Nazi costume. WTAF? ?? I haven't seen this in the news yet, but didnt Harry go thru therapy and sensitivity classes after that? He said he spoke with the Chief Rabbi and went to Germany to speak with a holocaust survivor. If it’s true William and Kate played a part in his choice of outfit, I’m surprised it’s not been mentioned before now.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 5, 2023 14:26:19 GMT
He said he spoke with the Chief Rabbi and went to Germany to speak with a holocaust survivor. Of course there's no Holocaust survivors in the UK are there? - see how serious he was, he went all the way to Berlin. I'm glad he "spoke to them"...although he might have been better off listening instead.
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Post by auntkelly on Jan 5, 2023 15:30:03 GMT
And now Harry claims William and Catherine told him to wear the Nazi costume. . . and if William and Kate had told you to jump off a cliff? Would you have done that, too? (In my mind, I can hear Queen Elizabeth saying that in her most regal tone).
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Post by bessieb on Jan 5, 2023 15:37:19 GMT
Apparently the book was accidentally on sale in Spain either yesterday or today
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Post by bessieb on Jan 5, 2023 15:38:18 GMT
And now Harry claims William and Catherine told him to wear the Nazi costume. . . and if William and Kate had told you to jump off a cliff? Would you have done that, too? (In my mind, I can hear Queen Elizabeth saying that in her most regal tone). He is going to take this opportunity to blame everyone E else for any of his dubious decisions
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Post by gar on Jan 5, 2023 16:02:35 GMT
. . and if William and Kate had told you to jump off a cliff? Would you have done that, too? (In my mind, I can hear Queen Elizabeth saying that in her most regal tone). He is going to take this opportunity to blame everyone E else for any of his dubious decisions Yep, absolutely nothing is their fault
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Post by bessieb on Jan 5, 2023 16:22:51 GMT
And the whole fight scenario - he attacked me ..( and of course was just allowed to with no response at all) but they were still using friendly teasing nicknames “Willy and Harold”. Doesn’t add up to me, and given how much of the Oprah interview was proven to be untrue I suspect the same proportion of the book will be too!
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Post by mom on Jan 5, 2023 21:50:44 GMT
Harry also included losing his virginity to an older woman. Why did he have to include that? Was it that necessary to go into those details? Did the public really need to hear those details? For those wondering what exactly he said: The father-of-two wrote: 'I suspected he was referring to my recent loss of virginity, a humiliating episode with an older woman who liked macho horses and who treated me like a young stallion. 'I mounted her quickly, after which she spanked my ass and sent me away. One of my many mistakes was letting it happen in a field, just behind a very busy pub. No doubt someone had seen us.' www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11602849/Prince-Harry-recounts-losing-virginity-older-woman-FIELD-biography-leaked.html
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