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Post by pjaye on Jan 10, 2023 2:15:28 GMT
I just keep wondering what huge, horrible event happened between all of them that made him say "fuck it - I'm burning allll the bridges." What was the straw that broke the camel's back? Because surely that has to be why he's doing this, right? He could have written a memoir without throwing his father and brother under the bus. He claims he hopes they can all reconcile, yet he just poured gas on a fire? He has to see what he's done? The "event" that triggered him? - Penguin Random House and the $20 million dollar offer. No doubt they demanded value for money - the juicy details, and new stuff they haven't heard before. In the UK as a working royal the cameras go... 'click click click' In the USA as a private citizen, they go... 'ka-ching ka-ching ka-ching' That cash register starts ringing and he's spilling birth details, deflowerings, private texts, private conversations and what his dead grandmother looked like. I agreed that I thought this was his final shot and going scorched earth meant he was done - but in every interview he's repeated that he wants to reconcile with his family and he's ready to sit down and talk about it all...it really doesn't sound like he understands what he's done.
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Post by elaine on Jan 10, 2023 2:17:06 GMT
All I can say is that my older sister a number of years ago (long after she was an adult and practicing lawyer) gave my mother - on Mother’s Day - a short story that she had written as part of a writer’s workshop she enrolled in, blaming my mom for everything wrong in my sister’s life. Our father was killed in a freak scuba diving accident when she was 12, I was 9. So, we aren’t completely dissimilar from Harry in that one little aspect. My sister was so damaged by her childhood that she absolutely did not/does not see that there was nothing positive to be gained by sharing that. She had some fantasy that my mother would read her story and see the errors of my mom’s ways. (I’d put the laughing emoji, but it is too tragic since it is my family). She 💯 % believed it would change everything for the better. Instead, I was left to pick up all the pieces of my mother who raised us as a single parent after my father died without the luxury of the British Royal coffers. Damaged people are damaged. They don’t see things realistically. Harry is very very damaged. Do you think William is similarly damaged? After all, their mother’s tragic death and the aftermath happened to both of them. No. Different children have different inherent levels of resiliency. It was horrific, when I was 9, to come home from a sleepover at my friend Tracy’s house one afternoon to find out my father died doing something he did regularly. My sister and I suffered the same tragic death of a parent, but we responded and moved forward throughout our lives very differently. It is naive to think that all children in any given family - royal or not - will/should respond to tragedy identically. Do you respond to every given situation exactly how your siblings do?
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Post by gillyp on Jan 10, 2023 2:21:26 GMT
I think - I hope - that ageing will bring a maturity to Harry to help him understand that his father did the best he could with the skill set he had at the time. I hope, as his own children grow up, Harry will see that it isn’t easy being a parent, hugs and playing on the lawn or feeding the chickens together are not all there is to parenting and sometimes the adult’s life encroaches on the child’s in ways the adult does not realise or appreciate at the time. If Harry gets to that point then, only then, do I think he will understand the enormity of his actions and give his father, and brother, some grace. Sadly it will probably be too late.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 10, 2023 2:23:42 GMT
elaine, I’m sorry you lost your father so early. I was 8 when mine died and it’s not easy.
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Post by elaine on Jan 10, 2023 2:50:40 GMT
elaine , I’m sorry you lost your father so early. I was 8 when mine died and it’s not easy. I am sorry for your loss too. (((Hugs))) Losing a parent when you are a young child is hard in so many ways that are beyond this thread. 😢
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Post by belgravia on Jan 10, 2023 4:47:42 GMT
Do you think William is similarly damaged? After all, their mother’s tragic death and the aftermath happened to both of them. No. Different children have different inherent levels of resiliency. It was horrific, when I was 9, to come home from a sleepover at my friend Tracy’s house one afternoon to find out my father died doing something he did regularly. My sister and I suffered the same tragic death of a parent, but we responded and moved forward throughout our lives very differently. It is naive to think that all children in any given family - royal or not - will/should respond to tragedy identically. Do you respond to every given situation exactly how your siblings do? No need to be snotty, I simply asked you a question. My only sibling is deceased.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Jan 10, 2023 6:11:40 GMT
I can attest to each siblings remembering different things or perceiving things differently. Growing up with a very narcissist Mother, I remember specific things, and my sisters each remember specific things, All different things and all dysfunctional or toxic behavior. I think we each remember specific behavior or scenarios, based on whatever affected us the most psychologically.
No matter the situation or type of people (siblings, workplace, club, sports group, message board, etc...), whether is 2 people, 100 people, 500 people, or more, every single person is going to to perceive "whatever it is" differently, every single person is going to have their own opinion, every single person is going to have their version of what occurred or was said.
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Post by elaine on Jan 10, 2023 10:52:30 GMT
No. Different children have different inherent levels of resiliency. It was horrific, when I was 9, to come home from a sleepover at my friend Tracy’s house one afternoon to find out my father died doing something he did regularly. My sister and I suffered the same tragic death of a parent, but we responded and moved forward throughout our lives very differently. It is naive to think that all children in any given family - royal or not - will/should respond to tragedy identically. Do you respond to every given situation exactly how your siblings do? No need to be snotty, I simply asked you a question. My only sibling is deceased. I am sorry for being snotty. Also for your loss. ☹️
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 10, 2023 15:01:53 GMT
I think Harry is still 12, stuck at the maturity level from his mother’s death. Probably an actual case of arrested development. 12 year olds aren’t known for their critical thinking. He’s self medicated with drugs & alcohol. I assume he’s also dealing with mental health issues. It’s entirely too clear to see a lot of similarities with Diana and Harry and their issues with paranoia as well as the more woo woo stuff.
Before he met Meghan, he had been to therapy. However, in his book he claims it wasn’t working and “they just wanted to pump me full of drugs.” That leaves me to believe there was a diagnosis but he refuses to treat it.
You can’t help those who will not help themselves. That’s what I see with Harry. His book is the writings of an immature 12 year old mad because life isn’t fair. It really makes me wonder what things were like behind the scenes. The family did a lot to clean up his image and present him as the cheeky fun prince (all hail ELF’s PR genius). He had to be horrible to deal with based on the we see now.
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Post by mom on Jan 10, 2023 20:34:21 GMT
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jan 10, 2023 21:31:27 GMT
This whole thing is like a massive car crash where you don't want to look, but you can't help but to look. Hopefully the blow back on this will be enough to shut them down? Please?
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Post by wellway on Jan 10, 2023 21:44:50 GMT
He appears to be completely self unaware. This link shares his thoughts on Paul Burrell, Diana's butler who wrote a book. www.aol.co.uk/news/harry-says-diana-ex-butler-000154644.htmlMummy’s former butler had penned a tell-all which actually told nothing,” he said. “It was merely one man’s self-justifying, self-centring version of events. “My mother once called this butler a dear friend, trusted him implicitly. We did too. Now this. Smh
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Post by mom on Jan 10, 2023 21:50:16 GMT
This whole thing is like a massive car crash where you don't want to look, but you can't help but to look. Hopefully the blow back on this will be enough to shut them down? Please? Honestly, I dont think he has hit bottom yet. Sadly. I am afraid of what will happen though, if he doesn't get some intense help ASAP. I just dont think this will end well once he realizes what he's done.
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Post by Rhondito on Jan 10, 2023 21:52:09 GMT
Oy vey.
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 10, 2023 21:58:32 GMT
He appears to be completely self unaware. This link shares his thoughts on Paul Burrell, Diana's butler who wrote a book. www.aol.co.uk/news/harry-says-diana-ex-butler-000154644.htmlMummy’s former butler had penned a tell-all which actually told nothing,” he said. “It was merely one man’s self-justifying, self-centring version of events. “My mother once called this butler a dear friend, trusted him implicitly. We did too. Now this. Smh ..<licks pencil lead> now...let me tell the world about how my dad, the King of England likes to do headstands in his chonies to help his back pain..
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 10, 2023 22:26:22 GMT
He appears to be completely self unaware. This link shares his thoughts on Paul Burrell, Diana's butler who wrote a book. www.aol.co.uk/news/harry-says-diana-ex-butler-000154644.htmlMummy’s former butler had penned a tell-all which actually told nothing,” he said. “It was merely one man’s self-justifying, self-centring version of events. “My mother once called this butler a dear friend, trusted him implicitly. We did too. Now this. Smh ..<licks pencil lead> now...let me tell the world about how my dad, the King of England likes to do headstands in his chonies to help his back pain.. Seriously why does he feel the need to reveal such things. This sling with the other things I have seen posted here are just why. You just don’t reveal such things if you have hslf a brain. Even if pissed at family then again the stuff about himself to. Why? Thinking did his wife see it snd but say no you shouldn’t reveal you pissed yourself or stuff about his or is snd not this either. This is a train wreck but I keep coming back here to this thread I won’t read the book but dang.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 11, 2023 4:38:38 GMT
So, all we heard in the run up to this book that it was telling about the boy he was and man he’s become. However, it seems like his stories are about other people’s business, not his. God, he’s such a gaslighter asshole.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 11, 2023 4:41:35 GMT
So, all we heard in the run up to this book that it was telling about the boy he was and man he’s become. However, it seems like his stories are about other people’s business, not his. God, he’s such a gaslighter asshole. Well, his willy and his willy's adventures seemed to mentioned quite a bit.. lol
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Post by mom on Jan 11, 2023 4:42:47 GMT
So, all we heard in the run up to this book that it was telling about the boy he was and man he’s become. However, it seems like his stories are about other people’s business, not his. God, he’s such a gaslighter asshole. How anyone --- Royal or not --- will ever want to be in a room with him again is beyond me. He's proven he will tell anyone and everyone anything, truth or not. He cannot be trust, period.
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Post by mom on Jan 11, 2023 5:28:46 GMT
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Post by gillyp on Jan 11, 2023 8:59:18 GMT
Whoever his therapist is, advisors are, they are as dangerous as Martin Bashir, if not more so.
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Post by gar on Jan 11, 2023 9:06:39 GMT
In the report I read about this he calls it putting a 'dangerous spin' on his words - there's no spin required Harry! He wrote the words (well....) and they're there for all to see in the book. He really isn't to blame for ANYthing is he, apparently!
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Post by wellway on Jan 11, 2023 9:37:50 GMT
In the report I read about this he calls it putting a 'dangerous spin' on his words - there's no spin required Harry! He wrote the words (well....) and they're there for all to see in the book. He really isn't to blame for ANYthing is he, apparently! He appears to want a one way discussion/ conversation, he put information in his book and is surprised people are analysing it. It was a huge mistake to talk numbers and to refer to people as chess pieces, huge mistake. He did that, and shouldn't be surprised that it gets a reaction. Never mind what the press say, did he never consider that the Taliban would read his words and how they might react? The Taliban are not known for their forgive and forget attitude. Like I said earlier, a foolish man.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 11, 2023 9:47:09 GMT
Yes, I just re-read that section of the book...it's exactly the same as the leak. He says it's out of context - it isn't, the other stuff around it just makes him sound worse:
Edited - I thought this was an army exist interview - reading it again, I think it's a media interview, but still gives him Harry gives him attitude, so no wonder he gets negative press if he comes across as a cocky brat. Harry doesn't do himself any favours.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 11, 2023 10:01:27 GMT
I'm beginning to think the rest of us need to go back to school and study English comprehension because, clearly, none of us understand what Harry means in anything he says or writes. We can't be as clever as him as he keeps feeling the need to point out that what is on an audio recording or written in front of us in black and white is not what he actually said. The whole thing just gets more and more preposterous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 10:29:37 GMT
I think Harry is still 12, stuck at the maturity level from his mother’s death. Probably an actual case of arrested development. 12 year olds aren’t known for their critical thinking. He’s self medicated with drugs & alcohol. I assume he’s also dealing with mental health issues. It’s entirely too clear to see a lot of similarities with Diana and Harry and their issues with paranoia as well as the more woo woo stuff. Before he met Meghan, he had been to therapy. However, in his book he claims it wasn’t working and “they just wanted to pump me full of drugs.” That leaves me to believe there was a diagnosis but he refuses to treat it. You can’t help those who will not help themselves. That’s what I see with Harry. His book is the writings of an immature 12 year old mad because life isn’t fair. It really makes me wonder what things were like behind the scenes. The family did a lot to clean up his image and present him as the cheeky fun prince (all hail ELF’s PR genius). He had to be horrible to deal with based on the we see now. I think it's fair to say given the toxic family he belongs to, along with the tragedy with his mother...that a diagnosis that requires drugs would be further down the line in terms of obvious problems in his life. Drugs aren't going to fix any of that in the long term. The diagnosis for that is just an old fashioned crap childhood. It sounds like psychotherapy has helped him more, which in my opinion would be much more beneficial for those kinds of experiences then just pumping some anti-depressants or anxiety meds. Don't you think?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 10:31:12 GMT
Whoever his therapist is, they are as dangerous as Martin Bashir, if not more so. Please tell me more? Why is his therapist dangerous? Seems a big call to make.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 11, 2023 10:41:26 GMT
It sounds like psychotherapy It's not psychotherapy! He's doing all the woo-woo ones, tapping, psychedelics, Ayahuasca. He's does think drugs are the answer - just self medicated ones instead of prescribed ones. He smokes pot & he drinks alcohol to excess...he says it repeatedly in his book. Check the Anderson Cooper interview and listen to him say it yourself
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Post by gillyp on Jan 11, 2023 10:44:38 GMT
Whoever his therapist is, they are as dangerous as Martin Bashir, if not more so. Please tell me more? Why is his therapist dangerous? Seems a big call to make. I will change the word therapist for advisor(s).
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Post by pjaye on Jan 11, 2023 11:42:39 GMT
"Bridesmaid Dresses" Sounds like Kate was being over the top ridiculous. Meghan offered to have them altered. To text a bride before a wedding and complain about the bridesmaid dresses being ugly and share that your toddler is "crying" because they are so ugly. Sounds like a spoiled child and sister in law who clearly needs to learn some manners. Then argue that Kate's wedding designer agrees with her that the dress are too big - what, her supposedly superior dress designer should get to weigh in on Meghan's wedding dresses for little girls the week before the wedding? I don't know if I could stand having Kate for a sister in law - she sounds like a horror show. Well - turns out Catherine was right. Harry's book has opened the door for those involved to come out and say what happened. Here's the interview Meghan's tailor just gave. ( Not Catherine's tailor) and he confirms everything Catherine was saying in those texts - the dresses arrived 4 days before the wedding, there had been no fittings of the dresses, they were just made from measurements, ALL of the dresses were a mess and it wasn't just Charlotte's, all of the mothers had to take the bridesmaids in for alterations, and the tailors had to work until 10pm the day before the wedding. So Catherine offering her tailor seems like it would have been a big help, because Meghan's tailor DID agree that the dresses to use his words - "were a mess" and Catherine was clearly trying to avoid Meghan (and her) the embarrassment and bad press of Meghan's bridesmaids walking down the aisle in a multimillion dollar wedding in dresses that didn't fit. It also sounds like there's some texts that are being left out, it's clear Catherine is trying to tell Meghan how bad the dresses are but Meghan isn't "hearing' her, she's trying to tell her that it's a much bigger job than just getting the hem taken up. He also goes on to say that in his presence everyone was polite & co-operative, so "Meghan sobbing on the floor" when Harry got home (clearly he wasn't there helping) seems a tad dramatic. Who were the wedding planners? Meghan and her best friend at the time Jessica Mulroney (who of course Meghan has since had a falling out with...seeing any pattern here?)
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