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Post by chances on Jan 13, 2023 23:23:30 GMT
The advice not to talk badly about your spouse came up in chat with friends. They said they noticed a lot of women talk shit all the time about their husbands and she found it toxic. Ultimately she argued it is essentially a violation of trust in the relationship and can become a toxic feedback loop.
Someone asked, how would you feel if your spouse talked about you poorly to their friends.
I’m curious, how would you feel? Also, are there limits to what you share/vent to about your partner?
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Post by busy on Jan 13, 2023 23:32:02 GMT
I guess I need to know what “talking badly” is.
Do I talk about frustrations and challenges with him with close, trusted friends? Either for advice, to commiserate, or just to vent? Yes. And I talk to him about the same things.
Do I shit talk him to people just for fun? No.
Life isn’t all puppies and sunshine. Marriage can be hard. We all deserve support from friends. We shouldn’t be going at this alone.
FWIW, i 100% expect him to do the same about me with his close friends. We’ve been together for over 26 years and are happily married but we’re both flawed and annoying people because we’re human. Needing support and sounding boards beyond each other doesn’t mean we don’t love and respect each other.
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Post by iowgirl on Jan 13, 2023 23:36:00 GMT
I do not speak negatively of my husband, and he does not of me. I see it a lot, and I feel like these couples lack respect for their partner.
Do we joke sometimes - yes. But nothing really negative at all. We also do not fight.
My husband has always treated me with loyalty and respect and I do the same for him.
Today, we bought some calves. The seller sent him the weights so we could pay him, and my husband said "Let me give these to the Ranch Manager" - meaning me... LOL Even though it was kind of a joke, it still makes me feel good! Plus, I'll probably be writing that check!
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Post by garcia5050 on Jan 13, 2023 23:43:39 GMT
Do I commiserate with friends about the hubby sometimes? Sure. None of it is a lie, I'm not making things up or exaggerating to make a humorous point. More like hey girl, I get you, my husband has zero sex drive too . . . Do I sometimes do this RIGHT in front of DH. Sure. He does it to me too. (What's a vacuum cleaner, I'm surprised you even know what one looks like . . . because yes - I don't vacuum - he does it.)
We have thick-ish skin, it doesn't escalate, we don't hold grudges about it. We very rarely argue (the thick skin thing is very helpful).
Like a lot of other questions - how each couple handles/decides this could vary greatly and what works for some won't work for all. I know couples who absolutely won't do this under ANY circumstances because they are both very sensitive. That's them. Not me.
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Post by ~summer~ on Jan 13, 2023 23:44:26 GMT
With my small close circle of friends I absolutely do. I have friends I have known since I was 5 and a cousin who has been my best friend since I was 12 — we tell each other everything. Not sure what I would do without this support system.
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 13, 2023 23:46:57 GMT
I said other because I have one friend that is super sweet and has a husband with similar traits as mine. We both understand we aren't bashing our spouses and more commiserating and having a good laugh. We also mention the crazy things we do that irritate our spouses.
As far as other friends and family, nope.
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Post by cynthia1218 on Jan 13, 2023 23:55:44 GMT
before my marriage went to crap.
I would "complain" about my husband such as snoring, forgetting to do dishes, can't find those things in front of face. Those surface, minor things.
I never ever discussed the serious issue outside of the marriage. It was just a rule i stuck to my entire marriage. but now i wonder if I had would someone have help me see all the red flags that were in my marriage.
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Post by peaname on Jan 13, 2023 23:56:51 GMT
My DH and I have talked about this. I think man bashing is a female bonding ritual and I choose not to participate because I wouldn’t want him to do the same to me.
I have close friends that I can share my feelings with though and if I need to be honest with them to talk something out I will. I think that’s different than general complaining to an open audience.
I have a coworker who says nothing nice about her husband. I feel bad for him.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 14, 2023 0:14:44 GMT
Well, I'm divorced so take it for what it is.
I think people need a place to vent and that is okay as long as it isn't hateful or full of vitriol. If it is, then there are likely bigger issues.
And little things like he doesn't put the toilet seat down or something as well as stuff you'd say to him that you are just commiserate with friends. I think that is okay.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 14, 2023 0:19:23 GMT
I think it's fine to vent about the odd minor irritation with a good friend. And if I were having major problems, I would probably discuss it with my best friend, but only if I had already addressed it with my partner/spouse.
But as for those people who bitch about their partner constantly, that's not okay. If he/she is so bad and annoys you so much, get out of the relationship!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 14, 2023 0:32:44 GMT
I don’t typically vent to others anything I wouldn’t (or haven’t already) said to his face. He knows about the stuff he does that bugs me and I know the stuff I do that bugs him.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jan 14, 2023 0:36:01 GMT
I have one person with whom I talk honestly about my DH. Other than that, I don’t go beyond the eye rolls of “he works too much” and the like. I think that it’s important to support each other. If I have a genuine issue, I don’t have a problem with venting to him!
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Post by pilcas on Jan 14, 2023 0:43:41 GMT
I might say something about an annoying thing he does but nothing more than that. I would not confide anything serious to anyone who might then socialize with the two of us, that would make it awkward. After a divorce… go for it!
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 14, 2023 0:52:48 GMT
I guess I need to know what “talking badly” is. Do I talk about frustrations and challenges with him with close, trusted friends? Either for advice, to commiserate, or just to vent? Yes. And I talk to him about the same things. Do I shit talk him to people just for fun? No. Life isn’t all puppies and sunshine. Marriage can be hard. We all deserve support from friends. We shouldn’t be going at this alone. 10000000%
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Post by Lexica on Jan 14, 2023 0:55:46 GMT
Do I commiserate with friends about the hubby sometimes? Sure. None of it is a lie, I'm not making things up or exaggerating to make a humorous point. More like hey girl, I get you, my husband has zero sex drive too . . . Do I sometimes do this RIGHT in front of DH. Sure. He does it to me too. (What's a vacuum cleaner, I'm surprised you even know what one looks like . . . because yes - I don't vacuum - he does it.) We have thick-ish skin, it doesn't escalate, we don't hold grudges about it. We very rarely argue (the thick skin thing is very helpful). Like a lot of other questions - how each couple handles/decides this could vary greatly and what works for some won't work for all. I know couples who absolutely won't do this under ANY circumstances because they are both very sensitive. That's them. Not me. I would never say what I bolded to anyone, even if it were true. Well, maybe to his doctor with his permission.. I think sex is an intimate topic that should stay between the two people. There are very general sex things I would talk about, but never something so specific and derogatory. Nothing having to do with our sex life. And I would be really hurt if he were complaining about me to his friends. But just a general comment of "my husband is driving me nuts this week" kind of things would be ok.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jan 14, 2023 1:01:14 GMT
When I was a kid I used to sit and listen to my mom and all of her sisters badmouth their husbands. By the time I was a teenager with a smart mouth, in the middle of one of their bitchfests, I said if these guys are so awful what are you all doing with them? Couldn't you get anything better? They weren't happy with me😂
I swore way back then that If I felt the need to bitch or badmouth who I was with I'd better ask myself what I was doing with them.
I may bitch TO my husband but never about him. He does very little for me to bitch about anyway.
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Post by Merge on Jan 14, 2023 2:19:59 GMT
I think everyone’s comfort level with this is different. Part of marriage is knowing what the other’s “third rail” topics are. I might bitch about my husband’s inability to find the dishwasher or pick up his dirty clothes, but other topics that i know he’s sensitive about would never come up. And he might joke about my lack of business acumen or my general dislike of housework, but he knows what my sensitive areas are and doesn’t joke about those.
But we have friends who are clearly in the “never say anything negative” camp and that’s fine. Figure that out with your spouse and don’t go by what others say or do. There’s no right or wrong way to be married.
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 14, 2023 2:25:02 GMT
I only have one acquaintance who bashes her husband and at first (like 10 years ago) I felt sympathetic to her complaints but these many years later, I have no idea how/why they are still married if he is as worthless as she claims and I often wonder about his side of things. She never seems to notice that not one other woman in our extended friend group does this, she seems to think it's normal.
At any rate, no, I think it's tasteless. Obviously if there are real, serious issues, you should be able to talk about those things with your closest friends or family members but just the general talking down is not good manners.
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Post by scrappyesq on Jan 14, 2023 2:33:09 GMT
as long as it isn't hateful or full of vitriol. If it is, then there are likely bigger issues.
As a fellow divorcee I 100% agree. Even when we were having issues I wouldn't discuss any of them with anyone. To me our marriage was sacred and even if I was calling him a stupid muthaf**ka in my mind I would have never repeated that to anyone. A lot of that came from my mother and sister, who would talk about their respective husbands with venom constantly. I would hurt for them.
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Post by kate on Jan 14, 2023 2:38:28 GMT
Any complaints about my DH are absolutely minor issues (and his "list" about me could be twice as long!) - anyone who knows me/us would know that I have won the Megamillions Jackpot in the spouse department. If I had a serious complaint, I would probably go to one of two or three people who have known me for decades and know how devoted I am to him. These people would be able to take any complaining in the proper context.
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Post by lg on Jan 14, 2023 2:38:30 GMT
The day that I am perfect is the day I spout $&/€£?* about my husband to other people. And I expect the same level of respect from him too. Do I vent? Of course. All the time. But beyond that I don’t think any relationship whether it be a marriage or friendship is lasting a long time if you think and express all the time to other people that the other person is a moronic loser.
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Post by papersilly on Jan 14, 2023 2:39:52 GMT
With my small close circle of friends I absolutely do. I have friends I have known since I was 5 and a cousin who has been my best friend since I was 12 — we tell each other everything. Not sure what I would do without this support system. This 100%. My closest friends/sister and I tell each other everything. Our husbands know it too and they can't convince us to change. Thick or thin, good and bad, we are each other's support system in a way that differs from the relationship we have with our spouses.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 14, 2023 2:57:10 GMT
I used to work with a couple of women that constantly complained about their husbands. I understand wanting to vent but these were work contacts snd the stuff they complained about were so trivial I couldn’t believe they got so worked up about it. I was always like really that doesn’t sound like a big deal to me. I know everyone is different just thought you shouldn’t bad mouth your spouse all the time. I just thought it was disrespectful. I’m not going to say I have never complained but not all the time. It made me not want to be around them. These were not women that were married to jerks that really treated them or kids badly. Women here that need to vent or really have sucky Xs that’s completely different. We also for the most part don’t know each other in real life so not likely to get back to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 3:11:07 GMT
I might share annoyances with a friend like how we can both look in the same drawer and I'll see the spoon he's looking for but he won't. But I'm not going talk shit about him. If I was looking for advice, I might discuss how we're not agreeing on something but I will avoid saying things like he's an asshole or how he's constantly ignoring my feelings.
I think people who constantly put down their spouse or have a lot of complaints have issues that go beyond "talking shit about them." They're not happy for whatever reason.
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Post by breetheflea on Jan 14, 2023 3:35:04 GMT
I have one friend who I can complain about DH to, and she does the same about hers... nothing super personal or gross, but just annoyances and gripes and the ridiculousness of being married. I don't tell this stuff to my family (who can't be trusted not to tell everyone they know as soon as they get a chance... ) or the kids, but sometimes being a SAHM and being married is hard, and I need to vent...
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 14, 2023 3:42:32 GMT
No, I don’t.
The exception would be if I was in a therapy-type situation, but not ever to someone who knows my husband socially.
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Post by nightnurse on Jan 14, 2023 3:43:54 GMT
I don’t typically vent to others anything I wouldn’t (or haven’t already) said to his face. He knows about the stuff he does that bugs me and I know the stuff I do that bugs him. Always a good rule to never say something you wouldn’t say to his face, but some of the stuff I bitch about to my two friends I talk about this with is sooo minor. I hurt my elbow bowling and I can’t carry the laundry baskets. If he forgets to, it’s annoying and we’ve talked about it. He isn’t being deliberately thoughtless, he just doesn’t carry if the clean laundry stays in the basement next the washer for a day. Sometimes I know I’d say something, he’ll feel bad, so I’ll bitch to my friend and vocalizing it helps me get over it because really it’s not a big deal and not something worth nagging. Little stuff like that. Because we’ve been together 20 years and there are bound to be minor irritations. The big things we always discuss and always have been good at discussing. And my daughter and I laugh about how he wakes us up with like the loudest snoring EVER (and he forgot to mention it as his physical today) and sometimes he’s in the mood to be part of the conversation and sometimes he’s sensitive about it. My sister in law said to me after a few years of marriage that she really respected how I never said anything bad about her brother. Jeez, lady, not to his family! That’s just mean. They don’t need to hear about the petty complaints. That’s for my friends. And another poster mentioned man bashing as a way of bonding but I don’t see it that way. I think there are some universal things we deal with in relationships and talking about them helps us see what’s normal and what’s not, and get some other ideas and perspectives, and yes, bond a little in our shared experiences. There are man bashers but commiserating that husbands make sandwiches and leave the crumbs on the counter and stuff like that I think is fine. And yes, I know my husband complains to his friends that I buy too many shoes and don’t cook as often as I used to (used to be every day now it’s just mostly on the weekends). I think that’s good for him, to share his frustrations with his friends and get their perspectives.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 14, 2023 3:59:24 GMT
There are man bashers but commiserating that husbands make sandwiches and leave the crumbs on the counter and stuff like that I think is fine. And yes, I know my husband complains to his friends that I buy too many shoes and don’t cook as often as I used to (used to be every day now it’s just mostly on the weekends). I think that’s good for him, to share his frustrations with his friends and get their perspectives. Exactly, these are the kinds of things I would vent about to friends but I also wouldn’t hesitate to complain about stuff like that directly to him. His feelings wouldn’t be hurt or feel like I was betraying him if he knew I was complaining about crumbs. I’m sure he complains to his friends that I eat loud food in his presence, LOL.
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Post by RosieKat on Jan 14, 2023 4:23:12 GMT
I think it's fine to vent about the odd minor irritation with a good friend. And if I were having major problems, I would probably discuss it with my best friend, but only if I had already addressed it with my partner/spouse. But as for those people who bitch about their partner constantly, that's not okay. If he/she is so bad and annoys you so much, get out of the relationship! Pretty much this. The occasional bit of advice or random venting is human. Even sometimes something like "OMG, my spouse/partner, too! Doesn't it drive you batshit crazy?!" Bashing and constant complaining is a sign of other problems, either within yourself or in the relationship.
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Post by guzismom on Jan 14, 2023 13:42:01 GMT
I think it's fine to vent about the odd minor irritation with a good friend. And if I were having major problems, I would probably discuss it with my best friend, but only if I had already addressed it with my partner/spouse. But as for those people who bitch about their partner constantly, that's not okay. If he/she is so bad and annoys you so much, get out of the relationship! This is pretty much how I handle it as well. However, I don't really have a 'best friend', so if ever there was a serious issue I would likely have to seek professional advice from a therapist.
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