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Post by aj2hall on Jan 20, 2023 4:27:49 GMT
Just the latest in DeSantis' ongoing war on K-12 and higher education. From the guy who will probably be the Republican frontrunner in the 2024 presidential primary. We are doomed. www.nytimes.com/2023/01/19/us/desantis-florida-ap-african-american-studies.htmlMIAMI — Florida will not allow a new Advanced Placement course on African American studies to be offered in its high schools, stating that the course is not “historically accurate” and violates state law.
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/19/desantis-florida-education-right-wing/Taken as a whole — or, really, even when only considering a handful of examples — the thrust of DeSantis’s efforts is clear. The governor hopes to uproot discussions of race and sexuality in favor of right-wing rhetoric and curriculums. He’s taking steps to expand his ability to do so at the local level. And he’s doing so even as he continues to be a leading contender for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024 — potentially landing a position that would give him control of the federal Education Department.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 20, 2023 4:31:16 GMT
Hoping the college board will push back, which is not a sentence I wanted to write.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 20, 2023 4:51:22 GMT
Ugh. He is despicable.
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Post by elaine on Jan 20, 2023 11:06:30 GMT
My Dh and I were discussing this last night. DeSantis is racist as heck, and it is utterly depressing that he is ensuring that institutionalized racism stays entrenched in Florida’s education system. ☹️
My own governor (Youngkin) isn’t much, if any, better on his stand on education. We’ve already been told that the social studies curriculum for elementary schools is going to be revised next year.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 20, 2023 11:52:16 GMT
All they wants is to privatize schools for their white christian nationalist curriculum. Keep those wimmin down on the farm!!
No room for the rest of us.
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Post by Merge on Jan 20, 2023 13:11:00 GMT
I fully expect a similar bill (to FL’s ridiculous “Stop Woke Act”) to come out of the Texas lege this year. Not fixes for our power grid or our abysmal rate of uninsured. Just racist and/or sexist bullshit.
As for his claim that the AP course isn’t historically accurate - according to whom? Actual historians or the revisionist “history” in your all-white fever dreams?
These people are despicable.
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Post by withapea on Jan 20, 2023 16:39:30 GMT
I fully expect a similar bill (to FL’s ridiculous “Stop Woke Act”) to come out of the Texas lege this year. Not fixes for our power grid or our abysmal rate of insured. Just racist and/or sexist bullshit. As for his claim that the AP course isn’t historically accurate - according to whom? Actual historians or the revisionist “history” in your all-white fever dreams? These people are despicable. I'm fairly certain that there's already a draft circulating the lege. Gag
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Post by smasonnc on Jan 22, 2023 14:29:39 GMT
And he’s doing so even as he continues to be a leading contender for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024 — potentially landing a position that would give him control of the federal Education Department. Sadly, this will give him an advantage in many parts of the country. I'm in Florida and it's appalling.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 19, 2023 18:22:35 GMT
DeSantis is stepping up the attacks on education and anyone who dares to criticize him or his policies. He really is evil and his authoritarian tendencies are dangerous. Schools are telling teachers to hide books. DeSantis fired back at the college board and threatened to eliminate AP classes. I think the Republicans have completely abandoned the idea of smaller government or local control. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/02/16/desantis-advanced-placement-parents-students-college-board-international-baccalaureate/After the College Board said Florida’s criticism of its AP African American studies course amounted to “slander,” DeSantis suggested his state might drop AP classes from its schools. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/01/31/florida-hide-books-stop-woke-manatee-county-duval-county-desantis/Students arrived in some Florida public school classrooms this month to find their teachers’ bookshelves wrapped in paper — or entirely barren of books — after district officials launched a review of the texts’ appropriateness under a new state law. School officials in at least two counties, Manatee and Duval, have directed teachers this month to remove or wrap up their classroom libraries, according to records obtained by The Washington Post. The removals come in response to fresh guidance issued by the Florida Department of Education in mid-January, after the State Board of Education ruled that a law restricting the books a district may possess applies not only to schoolwide libraries but to teachers’ classroom collections, too. House Bill 1467, which took effect as law in July, mandates that schools’ books be age-appropriate, free from pornography and “suited to student needs.” Books must be approved by a qualified school media specialist, who must undergo a state retraining on book collection. The Education Department did not publish that training until January, leaving school librarians across Florida unable to order books for more than a year. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/02/18/florida-teacher-empty-school-bookshelves-video-desantis/A Florida teacher was fired this week after posting a video of empty bookshelves that Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) called “a fake narrative” at a time when teachers in the state are removing or covering books in public schools to comply with new state laws.
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Post by casii on Feb 19, 2023 18:55:52 GMT
DeSantis is stepping up the attacks on education and anyone who dares to criticize him or his policies. He really is evil and his authoritarian tendencies are dangerous. Schools are telling teachers to hide books. DeSantis fired back at the college board and threatened to eliminate AP classes. I think the Republicans have completely abandoned the idea of smaller government or local control. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/02/16/desantis-advanced-placement-parents-students-college-board-international-baccalaureate/After the College Board said Florida’s criticism of its AP African American studies course amounted to “slander,” DeSantis suggested his state might drop AP classes from its schools. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/01/31/florida-hide-books-stop-woke-manatee-county-duval-county-desantis/Students arrived in some Florida public school classrooms this month to find their teachers’ bookshelves wrapped in paper — or entirely barren of books — after district officials launched a review of the texts’ appropriateness under a new state law. School officials in at least two counties, Manatee and Duval, have directed teachers this month to remove or wrap up their classroom libraries, according to records obtained by The Washington Post. The removals come in response to fresh guidance issued by the Florida Department of Education in mid-January, after the State Board of Education ruled that a law restricting the books a district may possess applies not only to schoolwide libraries but to teachers’ classroom collections, too. House Bill 1467, which took effect as law in July, mandates that schools’ books be age-appropriate, free from pornography and “suited to student needs.” Books must be approved by a qualified school media specialist, who must undergo a state retraining on book collection. The Education Department did not publish that training until January, leaving school librarians across Florida unable to order books for more than a year. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/02/18/florida-teacher-empty-school-bookshelves-video-desantis/A Florida teacher was fired this week after posting a video of empty bookshelves that Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) called “a fake narrative” at a time when teachers in the state are removing or covering books in public schools to comply with new state laws.He a cross between Hitler and Lord Farquaad from Shrek. Lets hope he and Trump tear each other apart and split the extremist vote so neither wins the White House.
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Post by Gem Girl on Feb 19, 2023 20:19:24 GMT
Just like TFG, he is a petty and vindictive turd who puts being obeyed without question above what's good for the people. The elimination of AP classes would only make college attendance a longer & more expensive proposition for his constituents, but I doubt that his "base" is much of a higher-education-loving crowd, anyway.
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Post by cycworker on Feb 20, 2023 3:29:25 GMT
I really can't stand DeSantis, and I really, really hope that the folks like Teri Kanefield who believe the GOP is going to self-destruct in a war between the pro-Trump vs no-Trump factions are correct
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Post by gsquaredmom on Feb 20, 2023 3:46:47 GMT
I understand that DeSatan will be speaking to our local police at a Knights of Columbus hall TWO blocks away from my house tomorrow. Blech.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2023 18:10:48 GMT
Interesting post here about the College Board changes, the removal of the word systematic and how laws enacted as late as 1942, rooted in a 1790 law, are systematic. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-19-2023?r=1f0orz&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email Today in the Washington Post, Nick Anderson showed how the Advanced Placement course on African American studies changed between February 2022, when its prototype first appeared, and February 2023, when the official version was released. One word, in particular, had vanished: the word “systemic.” In February 2022, “systemic” appeared before “marginalization; in April 2022, “systemic” came before “discrimination, oppression, inequality, disempowerment and racism.”
By February 2023, that word was gone. While the College Board, which produces the AP courses, says it did not change the course in response to its rejection by Republican Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who said it contributed to a “political agenda,” its spokespeople have acknowledged that they were aware of how the right wing would react to that word.
and the referenced WaPo story www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/2023/ap-african-american-studies-controversy/
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Post by paulao on Feb 20, 2023 18:28:08 GMT
I understand that DeSatan will be speaking to our local police at a Knights of Columbus hall TWO blocks away from my house tomorrow. Blech. I’d attend and heckle the hell out of him.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Feb 20, 2023 20:16:03 GMT
I understand that DeSatan will be speaking to our local police at a Knights of Columbus hall TWO blocks away from my house tomorrow. Blech. I’d attend and heckle the hell out of him. Lol. I thought about making a sign. I think it’s by invitation and I am certainly not invited. And then I’d have a bullseye on me for the police. I already am not a fan of our locals for various reasons.
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Post by katlady on Feb 20, 2023 21:33:46 GMT
This sounds like a religious leaning in public schools. www.yahoo.com/news/florida-mulls-classical-christian-alternative-001306182.htmlTate’s educational philosophy centers around using the Socratic method to teach the traditional Western literary canon, largely made up of works by white men. A company board member said the test follows the “great classical and Christian tradition.”Someone wrote this in the comment section: The CLT is used/accepted by 200 religious, private and bible colleges. There are about 4,500 colleges and universities in the U. S.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2023 22:46:59 GMT
This sounds like a religious leaning in public schools. www.yahoo.com/news/florida-mulls-classical-christian-alternative-001306182.htmlTate’s educational philosophy centers around using the Socratic method to teach the traditional Western literary canon, largely made up of works by white men. A company board member said the test follows the “great classical and Christian tradition.”Someone wrote this in the comment section: The CLT is used/accepted by 200 religious, private and bible colleges. There are about 4,500 colleges and universities in the U. S.Yeah, “classical” schools are popular in the suburbs here. It’s well understood to be code for “dead white guy curriculum only,” and seen as a way for white families to escape the influx of black and brown families into the suburban public schools.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 21, 2023 0:22:32 GMT
I understand that DeSatan will be speaking to our local police at a Knights of Columbus hall TWO blocks away from my house tomorrow. Blech. Ha! I'm a town over and I can smell his bullshit from here.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 21, 2023 0:45:27 GMT
I cannot stand him.
I'm hoping my school board doesn't flip in November.
With that said it seems like Colorado will somewhat protect education, even though the governor is pro charter.
I can't wait until the non woke people find out about the new standards for social studies
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 21, 2023 1:40:02 GMT
Interesting post here about the College Board changes, the removal of the word systematic and how laws enacted as late as 1942, rooted in a 1790 law, are systematic. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-19-2023?r=1f0orz&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email Today in the Washington Post, Nick Anderson showed how the Advanced Placement course on African American studies changed between February 2022, when its prototype first appeared, and February 2023, when the official version was released. One word, in particular, had vanished: the word “systemic.” In February 2022, “systemic” appeared before “marginalization; in April 2022, “systemic” came before “discrimination, oppression, inequality, disempowerment and racism.”
By February 2023, that word was gone. While the College Board, which produces the AP courses, says it did not change the course in response to its rejection by Republican Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who said it contributed to a “political agenda,” its spokespeople have acknowledged that they were aware of how the right wing would react to that word.
and the referenced WaPo story www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/2023/ap-african-american-studies-controversy/This thread gives a really good breakdown of the AP class. He's covered quite a few stories in Florida.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 21, 2023 1:49:13 GMT
DeSantis is stepping up the attacks on education and anyone who dares to criticize him or his policies. He really is evil and his authoritarian tendencies are dangerous. Schools are telling teachers to hide books. DeSantis fired back at the college board and threatened to eliminate AP classes. I think the Republicans have completely abandoned the idea of smaller government or local control. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/02/16/desantis-advanced-placement-parents-students-college-board-international-baccalaureate/After the College Board said Florida’s criticism of its AP African American studies course amounted to “slander,” DeSantis suggested his state might drop AP classes from its schools. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/01/31/florida-hide-books-stop-woke-manatee-county-duval-county-desantis/Students arrived in some Florida public school classrooms this month to find their teachers’ bookshelves wrapped in paper — or entirely barren of books — after district officials launched a review of the texts’ appropriateness under a new state law. School officials in at least two counties, Manatee and Duval, have directed teachers this month to remove or wrap up their classroom libraries, according to records obtained by The Washington Post. The removals come in response to fresh guidance issued by the Florida Department of Education in mid-January, after the State Board of Education ruled that a law restricting the books a district may possess applies not only to schoolwide libraries but to teachers’ classroom collections, too. House Bill 1467, which took effect as law in July, mandates that schools’ books be age-appropriate, free from pornography and “suited to student needs.” Books must be approved by a qualified school media specialist, who must undergo a state retraining on book collection. The Education Department did not publish that training until January, leaving school librarians across Florida unable to order books for more than a year. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/02/18/florida-teacher-empty-school-bookshelves-video-desantis/A Florida teacher was fired this week after posting a video of empty bookshelves that Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) called “a fake narrative” at a time when teachers in the state are removing or covering books in public schools to comply with new state laws.He a cross between Hitler and Lord Farquaad from Shrek. Lets hope he and Trump tear each other apart and split the extremist vote so neither wins the White House. Or Il Duce 2.0. He is many things, none of them good. I would love to watch him and Trump fling poo at each other. In the miniseries that will inevitably happen, who will play DeSantis? Do we have a short, scowling, authoritarian-looking actor who could pull it off? I think that John Goodman would have to play Trump.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 21, 2023 2:58:12 GMT
He a cross between Hitler and Lord Farquaad from Shrek. Lets hope he and Trump tear each other apart and split the extremist vote so neither wins the White House. Or Il Duce 2.0. He is many things, none of them good. I would love to watch him and Trump fling poo at each other. In the miniseries that will inevitably happen, who will play DeSantis? Do we have a short, scowling, authoritarian-looking actor who could pull it off? I think that John Goodman would have to play Trump. George Santos?
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 5, 2023 4:51:13 GMT
DeSantis trying to re-write history again heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-2-2023Certain of today’s Republican leaders are engaged in an equally dramatic reworking of our history.
When Florida governor Ron DeSantis last March signed the law commonly called the “Don’t Say Gay” law, he justified it by its title: the “Parental Rights in Education” law. It restricted the ability of schoolteachers to mention sexual orientation or gender identity through grade 3, and opponents noted that its vagueness would lead teachers to self-censor.
Under the guise of protecting children, DeSantis echoed authoritarians like Hungary’s Victor Orbán and Russia’s Vladimir Putin, who claim that democracy’s principle that all people are equal—including sexual minorities—proves that democracy is incompatible with traditional religious values. Promising to take away LGBTQ Americans’ rights offered a way to consolidate a following to undermine democracy.
DeSantis sought to shore up his position by mandating a whitewashed version of a mythic past. At his request, in March the Florida legislature approved a law banning public schools or private businesses from teaching people to feel guilty for historical events in which members of their race behaved poorly, the Stop the Wrongs to Our Kids and Employees (Stop WOKE) Act.
In July the Florida legislature passed a law mandating that the books in Florida’s public school cannot be pornographic and must be suited to “student needs”; a state media specialist would be responsible for approving classroom materials. An older law makes distributing obscene or pornographic materials to minors a felony that could lead to up to 5 years in prison and a $5,000 fine. Unsure what books are acceptable and worried about penalties, school officials in at least two counties, Manatee and Duval, directed teachers to remove books from their classrooms or cover them until they can be reviewed.
In January, DeSantis set out to remake the New College of Florida, a public institution known for its progressive values and inclusion of LGBTQ students, into an activist Christian school. He replaced six of the college’s thirteen trustees with far-right allies and forced out the college president in favor of a political ally, giving him a salary of $699,000, more than double what his predecessor made.
On February 28, right-wing activist Christopher Rufo, the man behind the furor over Critical Race Theory and one of DeSantis’s appointees to the New School board, tweeted: “We will be shutting down low-performing, ideologically-captured academic departments and hiring new faculty. The student body will be recomposed over time: some current students will self-select out, others will graduate; we’ll recruit new students who are mission-aligned.”
Then, this Tuesday, the board voted to abolish diversity, equity and inclusion programs at the school. DeSantis has promised to defund all DEI programs at public colleges and universities in Florida.
The attempt to take over schools and reject the equality that lies at the foundation of liberal democracy is now moving toward the more general tenets of authoritarianism. This week, one Republican state senator proposed a bill that would require bloggers who write about DeSantis, his Cabinet officers, or members of the Florida legislature, to register with the state; another proposed outlawing the Democratic Party.
DeSantis and those like him are trying to falsify our history. They claim that the Founders established a nation based on traditional hierarchies, one in which traditional Christian rules were paramount. They insist that their increasingly draconian laws to privilege people like themselves are simply reestablishing our past values.
But that’s just wrong. Our Founders quite deliberately rejected traditional values and instead established a nation on the principle of equality. “We hold these truths to be self-evident,” they wrote, “that all men are created equal.” And when faced with the attempt of lawmakers in another era to reject that principle and make some men better than others, Abraham Lincoln called it out for what it was. “I should like to know,” he said, “if taking this old Declaration of Independence, which declares that all men are equal upon principle, and making exceptions to it, where will it stop?”
To accept DeSantis’s version of our history would be a perversion of our past and our principles.
But it is not unimaginable.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 5, 2023 5:36:15 GMT
And the company that provides the AP classes caved to DeSantis.
They should have said no!! Let the parents deal with their children not getting the credits.. see how fast there would be a turnaround!!
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 5, 2023 15:59:00 GMT
More to come. Some of these bills might not pass, but Republicans have a super majority and looking at recent history of bills like Don't Say Gay, I'm not encouraged. It's deeply concerning that these fascist, censorship, anti- LGBTQ and discrimination bills are being taken seriously. Gift article - no paywall wapo.st/3ZnGEXYFlorida legislators have proposed a spate of new laws that would reshape K-12 and higher education in the state, from requiring teachers to use pronouns matching children’s sex as assigned at birth to establishing a universal school choice voucher program. The half-dozen bills, filed by a cast of GOP state representatives and senators, come shortly before the launch of Florida’s legislative session Tuesday. Other proposals in the mix include eliminating college majors in gender studies, nixing diversity efforts at universities and job protections for tenured faculty, strengthening parents’ ability to veto K-12 class materials and extending a ban on teaching about gender and sexuality — from third grade up to eighth grade.
“The state telling you what you can and cannot learn, that is inconsistent with democracy,” Mulvey said. “It silences debate, stifles ideas and limits the autonomy of educational institutions which … made American higher education the envy of the world.”
Another bill on the table is House Bill 999, targeted to higher education and introduced by Rep. Alex Andrade (R-District 2), who did not respond to a request for comment. The bill outlaws spending on diversity, equity and inclusion programs, says a professor’s tenure can come under review at any time and gives boards of trustees — typically appointed by the governor or Board of Governors — control of faculty hiring and curriculum review. It also eliminates college majors and minors in “Critical Race Theory, Gender Studies, or Intersectionality.”
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 5, 2023 16:08:55 GMT
I believe that the teacher shortage will continue to get worse. There is one thing that I don’t understand. Conservatives clearly want private or charter schools where teachers are paid peanuts. Who is going to want to work in those schools?
Or do private companies like Kipp pay well? Does anyone know how they retain teachers?
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Post by Merge on Mar 5, 2023 16:45:08 GMT
I believe that the teacher shortage will continue to get worse. There is one thing that I don’t understand. Conservatives clearly want private or charter schools where teachers are paid peanuts. Who is going to want to work in those schools? Or do private companies like Kipp pay well? Does anyone know how they retain teachers? They do not pay any better than public schools here, and their hours are much longer. They don’t retain teachers so much as cycle through them. They like to hire right out of alternative cert programs. I have lots of public school colleagues who taught in charters on the past and no one has anything good to say about them. Your question is always mine as well - where will the teachers come from for these wonderful private and charter schools you imagine? The answer is that many of them will staff classrooms with non-certified people to act as minders while the kids do online curriculum. In the minds of a certain subset, better to have a “good Christian” with no education babysitting your kids while they do an online, Bible-based curriculum than to entrust them to the radical leftists with actual teaching degrees and experience.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 5, 2023 17:25:09 GMT
DeSantis is following in the footsteps of Betsy DeVos.. Barefoot, pregnant, in the kitchen is best for undereducated females.
No different then how Russia etc choose what tracks their children are to follow. Beyond elementary education is only for those who deserve it or show talent. Put the kid's to work at an early age...
Keep the wealth close to home.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 5, 2023 17:40:32 GMT
I believe that the teacher shortage will continue to get worse. There is one thing that I don’t understand. Conservatives clearly want private or charter schools where teachers are paid peanuts. Who is going to want to work in those schools? Or do private companies like Kipp pay well? Does anyone know how they retain teachers? They do not pay any better than public schools here, and their hours are much longer. They don’t retain teachers so much as cycle through them. They like to hire right out of alternative cert programs. I have lots of public school colleagues who taught in charters on the past and no one has anything good to say about them. Your question is always mine as well - where will the teachers come from for these wonderful private and charter schools you imagine? The answer is that many of them will staff classrooms with non-certified people to act as minders while the kids do online curriculum. In the minds of a certain subset, better to have a “good Christian” with no education babysitting your kids while they do an online, Bible-based curriculum than to entrust them to the radical leftists with actual teaching degrees and experience. That is what I suspected. I know some teachers who worked at charters here. They paid poorly, and could fire you on the spot. But I do not know if the national charters operate the same way. Here’s another interesting thing. My public school system gets inundated every year with kids who have finally been booted from charters. Mostly behavior; some high need sped kids. I am told that the charters keep the money, despite giving the student the heave-ho. Nice racket they have going.
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