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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 5, 2023 17:40:46 GMT
In light of the earlier reports and fines about underage children working overnights etc in dangerous conditions, particularly cleaning in meat packing facilities. New Gov SHS has a bill passed on her desk to drop prove of age for kids to work legally, not just underage, unaccompanied minor immigrants... We I was a teen, it was called 'working papers' that the school had to approve..hours etc.. Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Huckabee Sanders’ deskGreg Larose, Louisiana Illuminator March 05, 2023 LITTLE ROCK, Arkansas – A proposed Arkansas law that would remove the requirement for children under 16 to prove their age to get a job will head to Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders’ desk for approval. House Bill 1410, or the Youth Hiring Act, would delete the portion of existing law that requires an employment certificate “accessible to the Division of Labor and the Division of Elementary and Secondary Education, or local school officials” before a company can hire a child under 16 years of age. State law currently prohibits children under 16 from working more than eight hours a day, more than six days a week and more than 48 hours per week. Opponents of House Bill 1410 have expressed concerns it will open the door to violations of these child labor requirements and put children at risk of human trafficking.Sanders has said some of her administration’s goals are to fight crime and protect children from harm. She signed an executive order Feb. 14 “to develop an integrated approach” to preventing human trafficking.“Arkansas lacks a consistent, uniform screening and identification process of human trafficking, which has resulted in underreporting of this horrendous criminal action,” the order states. Sanders plans to sign House Bill 1410, her spokeswoman Alexa Henning said in a Thursday email. “The governor believes protecting kids is most important, but doing so with arbitrary burdens on parents to get permission from the government for their child to get a job is burdensome and obsolete,” Henning said. “All child labor laws will still apply and we expect businesses to comply just as they are required to do now.” We’ve built a generation that says, ‘Roman, you should depend on your government to take care of you. Just stay at home and work on video games. – State Sen. Tyler Dees Employment certificates for these children currently require proof of the child’s age, a description of the work and work schedule and a parent or legal guardian’s written consent. Eliminating this requirement would “restore decision-making to parents concerning their children,” the bill states. Rep. Rebecca Burkes, R-Lowell, the bill’s primary sponsor, repeated this on the House floor Feb. 22. Rep. Andrew Collins, D-Little Rock, took issue with this clause. “Parents have to sign off [on the permit] under the current law,” he said. “If this passes, the parents won’t have to sign off, and I think that’s a pretty important distinction.” The bill passed the House that day and the Senate on Thursday. No Democrats in either chamber voted for the bill, while some Republicans in both chambers voted against it. House Bill 1410 goes to Sanders’ desk less than two weeks after the U.S. Department of Labor announced it had fined Packers Sanitation Services Inc. for violating child labor laws at 13 plants in eight states, including Arkansas. The company paid $1.5 million in civil penalties for making children as young as 13 work in dangerous conditions. In Arkansas, Packers paid a fine of $60,552 for using four minors at a George’s Inc. plant in Batesville and $90,828 for using six minors at a Tyson Foods facility in Green Forest. Laura Kellams, the Northwest Arkansas director with Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, brought up the Packers plants while speaking against House Bill 1410 before the Senate Public Health, Welfare and Labor Committee on Wednesday. She said she does not oppose minors having jobs, and she worked at the Green Forest chicken plant as a teenager. She mentioned that Republican Sen. Bryan King, a member of the committee, lives in Green Forest. King and four other members voted to advance the bill to the Senate. www.rawstory.com/child-labor-laws-arkansas/
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Post by Merge on Mar 5, 2023 17:49:48 GMT
They do not pay any better than public schools here, and their hours are much longer. They don’t retain teachers so much as cycle through them. They like to hire right out of alternative cert programs. I have lots of public school colleagues who taught in charters on the past and no one has anything good to say about them. Your question is always mine as well - where will the teachers come from for these wonderful private and charter schools you imagine? The answer is that many of them will staff classrooms with non-certified people to act as minders while the kids do online curriculum. In the minds of a certain subset, better to have a “good Christian” with no education babysitting your kids while they do an online, Bible-based curriculum than to entrust them to the radical leftists with actual teaching degrees and experience. That is what I suspected. I know some teachers who worked at charters here. They paid poorly, and could fire you on the spot. But I do not know if the national charters operate the same way. Here’s another interesting thing. My public school system gets inundated every year with kids who have finally been booted from charters. Mostly behavior; some high need sped kids. I am told that the charters keep the money, despite giving the student the heave-ho. Nice racket they have going. Yup. We get charter bounce-backs all the time. They do not want anyone who brings down their test scores or has behavior issues. And yes, if they admitted the child before the day we count attendance and shuffled them off to us after it, they keep the money and we just make do. The other type of charter is the one that will take and keep any child without letting the parents know they don’t have any kind of sped support on staff and that most of the teachers aren’t certified. These are usually closed within several years, but someone makes a good profit in the mean time and the kids pay the price. Here, they often prey on immigrants and/or the very poor.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 9, 2023 0:39:36 GMT
I thought this was a really moving article about some of the challenges Florida parents are facing. Gift article - no paywall wapo.st/3mHgOA4“Where is it safe to raise a Black son and a Black daughter?” she says. “I know some people are so quick to judge Florida, and sometimes it’s hard to defend. We know we’re a punchline. ‘Florida Man,’ alligators in parking lots — that’s funny, right?” She exhales. “But this is our home. We deserve to live in a place that feels comfortable and safe, and to raise our kids like everyone else.”
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Post by Merge on Mar 9, 2023 15:07:04 GMT
I thought this was a really moving article about some of the challenges Florida parents are facing. Gift article - no paywall wapo.st/3mHgOA4“Where is it safe to raise a Black son and a Black daughter?” she says. “I know some people are so quick to judge Florida, and sometimes it’s hard to defend. We know we’re a punchline. ‘Florida Man,’ alligators in parking lots — that’s funny, right?” She exhales. “But this is our home. We deserve to live in a place that feels comfortable and safe, and to raise our kids like everyone else.”I literally just came here to post this. Feels very relatable to most of us in red states.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 9, 2023 21:32:32 GMT
An excellent point www.nytimes.com/2023/03/08/opinion/education-ron-desantis-crt.htmlToo much of the debate about DeSantis’s cynical censorship craze has centered the opinions of adults, the theories of politicians and the feelings of white children — feelings presumed to be hurt if they encounter, in class, some of our history’s bleakest episodes.
But what about the other children, the roughly 600,000 Black students in Florida’s public schools, like Marcus, searching for a history that includes them — a history of them — who now feel targeted and afraid? Do they not matter in this debate? What about their needs and their feelings?
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Post by Merge on Mar 9, 2023 23:14:57 GMT
An excellent point www.nytimes.com/2023/03/08/opinion/education-ron-desantis-crt.htmlToo much of the debate about DeSantis’s cynical censorship craze has centered the opinions of adults, the theories of politicians and the feelings of white children — feelings presumed to be hurt if they encounter, in class, some of our history’s bleakest episodes.
But what about the other children, the roughly 600,000 Black students in Florida’s public schools, like Marcus, searching for a history that includes them — a history of them — who now feel targeted and afraid? Do they not matter in this debate? What about their needs and their feelings?This exactly. The conservatives allege that somehow the schools are “pushing” things on kids. The schools and our curriculum are a reflection of our communities. We serve our students of color and our LGBTQ students and their families just like we serve our white, Christian students, and we do that in part by making sure they are represented in what we teach. No child should attend a public school and feel that they are not represented in the curriculum. I can’t imagine why anyone would think that’s a good idea.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 10, 2023 0:04:37 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 10, 2023 22:50:40 GMT
Jodi Picoult's comments about her books being banned in FL www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/10/ron-desantis-book-bans-martin-county-jodi-picoult/Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis wants you to know he’d never dream of engaging in mass censorship. He held a recent event challenging criticism of his classroom book restrictions as a “hoax,” releasing a video suggesting only “porn” and “hate” are targeted for removal. There’s a big problem with DeSantis’s claims: The people deciding which books to remove from classrooms and school libraries didn’t get the memo. In many cases, the notion that banned books meet the highly objectionable criteria he detailed is an enormous stretch. This week, Florida’s Martin County released a list of dozens of books targeted for removal from school libraries, as officials struggle to interpret a bill DeSantis signed in the name of “transparency” in school materials. The episode suggests his decrees are increasingly encouraging local officials to adopt censoring decisions with disturbingly vague rationales and absurdly sweeping scope.
Numerous titles by well-known authors such as Jodi Picoult, Toni Morrison and James Patterson have been pulled from library shelves. The removal list includes Picoult’s novel “The Storyteller” about the granddaughter of a Holocaust survivor who meets an elderly former SS officer. It contains some violent scenes told in flashbacks from World War II and an assisted suicide. “Banning ‘The Storyteller’ is shocking, as it is about the Holocaust and has never been banned before,” Picoult told us in an email. “Martin County is the first to ban twenty of my books at once,” Picoult said, slamming such bans as “a shocking breach of freedom of speech and freedom of information.” A coastal county in the southeastern part of the state, Martin County is heavily Republican. Picoult said she’s puzzled by the ban, because she does not “write adult romance,” as objections filed against her books claimed.
“Most of the books pulled do not even have a single kiss in them,” Picoult told us. “They do, however, include gay characters, and issues like racism, disability, abortion rights, gun control, and other topics that might make a kid think differently from their parents.” “We have actual proof that marginalized kids who read books about marginalized characters wind up feeling less alone,” Picoult continued. “Books bridge divides between people. Book bans create them.”
As we’ve detailed, the multiple new laws DeSantis has signed combine deliberately vague directives with the threat of frightening penalties to create a climate of uncertainty and fear. This appears deliberately designed to get school officials to err on the side of censorship, and to get teachers to muzzle themselves to avoid accidentally crossing fuzzy lines into violations of orthodoxy. It invites lone activists to designate themselves veritable commissars of local book purging. In Martin County, this strategy is unfolding exactly as intended.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 20, 2023 21:28:37 GMT
A humorous take on the censorship of history books in Florida Gift article - no paywall wapo.st/42pgSon“Rosa Parks showed courage. One day, she rode the bus. She was told to move to a different seat because of the color of her skin. She did not. She did what she believed was right.”
“Rosa Parks showed courage. One day, she rode the bus. She was told to move to a different seat. She did not. She did what she believed was right.”
— Two versions of a first-grade lesson from Studies Weekly, a publisher whose social studies curriculums are currently used in Florida elementary schools. Studies Weekly revised the lesson more than once, omitting any mention of racism or segregation, to submit for a state review of social studies materials.
American history is full of many heroes, whose accomplishments we will have no problem telling you about in the state of Florida! They fought for justice, which was brave of them, if a little redundant, because there was no specific injustice to fight against. Here are just a few of their stories
Harriet Tubman is considered an inspiring figure by many because she made many trips on foot, often with other people. She specifically led trips from the South to the North, often at night. At night, you can see the stars! It is great to lead trips. She was a hero.
Frederick Douglass was famous, too! We celebrated him during the Trump administration for being someone “who’s done an amazing job” and whose contributions are still being “recognized more and more.” He also gave a noteworthy speech about the Fourth of July. Who doesn’t love the Fourth of July?
John Brown is regarded by some as a heroic figure. Famously, he went to what is now West Virginia (Wild and Wonderful!). He also grew a luxurious beard. Once, he was very excited to visit a weapons arsenal. We support West Virginia tourism! !
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 28, 2023 16:49:31 GMT
a great point about "parents rights" www.nytimes.com/2023/03/28/opinion/parents-rights-republicans-florida.html“Parents’ rights,” you will have noticed, never seems to involve parents who want schools to be more open and accommodating toward gender-nonconforming students. It’s never invoked for parents who want their students to learn more about race, identity and the darker parts of American history. And we never hear about the rights of parents who want schools to offer a wide library of books and materials to their children.
“Parents’ rights,” like “states’ rights,” is quite particular. It’s not about all parents and all children and all the rights they might have.
The reality of the “parents’ rights” movement is that it is meant to empower a conservative and reactionary minority of parents to dictate education and curriculums to the rest of the community. It is, in essence, an institutionalization of the heckler’s veto, in which a single parent — or any individual, really — can remove hundreds of books or shut down lessons on the basis of the political discomfort they feel. “Parents’ rights,” in other words, is when some parents have the right to dominate all the others.
And, of course, the point of this movement — the point of creating this state-sanctioned heckler’s veto — is to undermine public education through a thousand little cuts, each meant to weaken public support for teachers and public schools, and to open the floodgates to policies that siphon funds and resources from public institutions and pump them into private ones. The Texas bill I mentioned, for instance, would give taxpayer dollars to parents who chose to opt out of public schools for private schools or even home-schooling.
The culture war that conservatives are currently waging over education is, like the culture wars in other areas of American society, a cover for a more material and ideological agenda. The screaming over “wokeness” and “D.E.I.” is just another Trojan horse for a relentless effort to dismantle a pillar of American democracy that, for all of its flaws, is still one of the country’s most powerful engines for economic and social mobility.
Ultimately, then, the “parents’ rights” movement is not about parents at all; it’s about whether this country will continue to strive for a more equitable and democratic system of education, or whether we’ll let a reactionary minority drag us as far from that goal as possible, in favor of something even more unequal and hierarchical than what we already have.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 17:11:20 GMT
Florida kids won't be going to Princeton, Harvard or Yale!
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Post by cynthia1218 on Mar 28, 2023 17:43:19 GMT
i so worry about the future of our childrens education. I so very much believe in class of all types being offered at the high school and college level. Even classes that might be deemed "DeSatan controversial". This is the time in a person's life (their whole life actually) but classes that begin to show different thinkers, different cultures, different jobs, etc. We need to mold our children to be free thinkers. To research, listen and form their own opinions.
I am also in arizona where we have so many charters and have school choice (basically you can go to any public school anywhere (out of boundaries) if there is enrollment room as long as parents transport. So would be happy to answer any charter school questions.
My child has gone to a Charter school her whole life (she is currently a junior in high school). A conservative school (not by choice just ended up that way - because I am definitely not conservative). People would laugh at the reason we ended up at a charter school.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 28, 2023 20:19:12 GMT
Florida kids won't be going to Princeton, Harvard or Yale! The irony is that DeSantis is a graduate of both Harvard & Yale.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 20:51:51 GMT
Florida kids won't be going to Princeton, Harvard or Yale! The irony is that DeSantis is a graduate of both Harvard & Yale. I know. 😊 I just threw in Princeton because it is down the road a few miles from me!
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 1:40:31 GMT
DeSantis & Trump have this in common - every time I think they hit rock bottom, they manage to sink lower. The latest with DeSantis & his war on public schools www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/29/ron-desantis-book-ban-florida-2024-gop-primary/The proposal in question, which appears to have the governor’s general support, would require the instant removal of certain books targeted for objections, even before any sort of evaluative process unfolds. Advocates for free expression say this represents something new.
The proposal in question, which appears to have the governor’s general support, would require the instant removal of certain books targeted for objections, even before any sort of evaluative process unfolds. Advocates for free expression say this represents something new.
“If Florida passes this bill, it may be the first state in the country to institute in every public school a rule requiring the immediate removal of materials following an objection,” Jeffrey Sachs, a political scientist who closely tracks these proposals, told me. “For activists on the right, this is a new strategy that will greatly speed the process of censoring materials."
The provision is buried in a bill that’s already received attention for another reason: It would expand the state’s “don’t say gay” law prohibiting classroom discussion of sex and gender up to high school — well beyond the initial goal of limiting discussion only through third grade.
If the new bill passes, it would become statewide policy that this book — or others with similarly peripheral “sexual conduct” — must be banned from a given district’s schools immediately upon the objection of one resident of that county, says Kara Gross, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida. “It grants enormous power to a single bigoted individual to dictate and control what books other parents’ kids have access to,” Gross told me. This, in turn, could make it easier for bad-faith actors to nix books while avoiding a process in which baseless objections might initially get dismissed. As Sachs put it, “the automatic removal provision will be abused and lead to widespread censorship.”
Right-wing activists in Florida are already lodging objections on vaguely sexual grounds to an extraordinary range of books, as the Popular Information newsletter demonstrated. In some cases, dozens of books are getting banned in counties because of the objections of one parent, as happened when a member of the right-wing “Moms for Liberty” orchestrated the removal of 20 Jodi Picoult novels from school libraries in Martin County. It can take months to process an objection, meaning this bill, if passed, could take a book out of circulation for long periods even if the complaint is groundless. This will obviously invite activists and lone parents to mount as many flimsy objections as possible. The likely result? More absurdities such as the ban of Picoult novels,
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 30, 2023 4:04:09 GMT
I'm thinking of all the 'pea teachers' who had so many interesting and diverse books on their supply lists. Many I filled, because I thought they were so informative. I actually bought some for maybe if I ever have grandkids they would be nice to have on hand to share.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 14, 2023 3:27:07 GMT
Pretty good summary of all of DeSantis' attacks on freedom - education, freedom of speech, voting rights and reproductive rights. Florida passed one of the most restrictive abortion bans today. At the same time, DeSantis is expanding gun rights and his cruelty to immigrants just continues with no limits. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/13/desantis-florida-agenda-freedom/Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) describes his state as “a citadel of freedom,” “freedom’s linchpin” and “freedom’s vanguard.” He titled his memoir “The Courage to Be Free” and called his budget a “Framework for Freedom.” In his State of the State address last month, he said: “We find ourselves in Florida on the front lines in the battle for freedom.”
The ongoing 60-day state legislative session in Tallahassee, which Mr. DeSantis is treating as a springboard to announce a presidential bid, shows the hollowness of his rhetoric. Backed by GOP supermajorities in both chambers, Mr. DeSantis is waging frontal assaults on press freedom, reproductive freedom, free enterprise and academic freedom. Meanwhile, in the name of protecting gun rights, he has scaled back prudent safety rules. And now he’s poised to target undocumented immigrants, including “dreamers," with what will be some of the cruelest policies in America.
Now Mr. DeSantis wants to go national. He promises to “Make America Florida.” If the bullying coming out of Tallahassee is an indication of what that means, we think most Americans won’t want what he is offering.
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Post by aj2hall on May 10, 2023 18:08:25 GMT
Here's the latest attempt to sanitize and water down the social studies curriculum. Essentially, theyre trying to remove anything that doesnt align with their worl view. Can you imagine how they will want Trump covered in 5 years? www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/09/desantis-education-textbooks-florida/Florida initially rejected 81 percent of new K-12 social studies instructional materials publishers submitted to be included on the state’s adoption list for K-12 teachers to use in their classrooms, the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) announced Tuesday. Officials worked with some publishers to make changes and wound up rejecting only 35 percent. Education Commissioner Manny Diaz Jr. released the approved list of materials that are aligned to state social studies curriculum standards for every grade. A statement from the Education Department said that 66 of the 101 submitted materials have been approved to date but that initially only 19 made the cut. The department said it had spent the past month working with publishers to change what it called “inaccurate material, errors and other information that was not aligned with Florida law.” The department offered four examples of changes to social studies instructional materials but did not say which submissions they came from: Removing a passage about the Hebrew Bible that listed “What social justices issues are included in the Hebrew Bible,” and replacing the words “social justices issues” with the words “some of the key principles.” Removing a paragraph that told parents they can talk to their child about the U.S. national anthem and explain why some people “take a knee” to protest police brutality. Removing a reference to socialist economies that said they may provide “greater equality while still providing a fully functioning government supervised economy” and replacing it with language that says socialist economies have “slow development” and “fewer technological advances.” Removing language that said “as for a true communist economy, there are none in the world today.”
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Post by dawnnikol on May 16, 2023 14:15:52 GMT
Bumping this thread since he's still fucking at it:
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Post by dawnnikol on May 16, 2023 14:17:04 GMT
Tossing this in here since it sounds vaguely familiar...
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Post by penny8909 on May 16, 2023 15:09:58 GMT
Teachers should be revered and treated with respect.
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Post by Merge on May 16, 2023 15:31:39 GMT
Tossing this in here since it sounds vaguely familiar... Hmm, for an agency that has supposedly been weaponized against Trump, they sure seem to do a lot of heavy lifting to poleax major Democratic candidates with last-minute revelations. Imagine a world where Ron DeSantis was an also-ran. How much better off would we all be? How much better if Trump had never been elected? It seems to me this is another one of those cases where the Republicans' accusations are really telling on themselves for past behavior. The elections of Trump and DeSantis were major, major moves toward the white Christian nationalist future the far right wants for us. I bet they were willing to do anything to make those happen.
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Post by epeanymous on May 16, 2023 15:51:49 GMT
We recruited two people from FL universities 100% based on DeSantis, so thanks I guess.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 16, 2023 16:16:51 GMT
Just think of what he could attempt to accomplish if he were elected president....
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Post by aj2hall on May 16, 2023 17:31:53 GMT
My youngest ds wants to be a pilot and is planning to apply to Embery Riddle in Florida this fall. I really wish the college was anywhere but Florida. The school is private, so it's safe from DeSantis for now.
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Post by epeanymous on May 16, 2023 17:57:22 GMT
Just think of what he could attempt to accomplish if he were elected president.... I tell you what, as a person who is in higher education, I worry an awful lot about the decimation of higher education that would occur on his watch, on purpose, to hurt people.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 16, 2023 18:20:43 GMT
Just think of what he could attempt to accomplish if he were elected president.... I tell you what, as a person who is in higher education, I worry an awful lot about the decimation of higher education that would occur on his watch, on purpose, to hurt people. Barefoot and pregnant, subservient to the macho male..
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 16, 2023 18:52:54 GMT
DeSantis in a nut shell..
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Post by aj2hall on May 16, 2023 23:19:39 GMT
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Post by ExpatBackHome on May 16, 2023 23:43:10 GMT
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