Gennifer
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 30, 2023 4:42:20 GMT
Yes, in case my previous statement was somehow unclear, I will reiterate it: “I wouldn’t have a problem with my kids doing something like this in SLC, accompanied by friend’s parents.” This means anywhere in SLC, which is the biggest city in my state, and the most comparable to Denver. my post was unclear, would you let your kids do this in downtown Denver? Well, no, because it’s 500 miles from where I live. 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 4:51:53 GMT
my post was unclear, would you let your kids do this in downtown Denver? Well, no, because it’s 500 miles from where I live. 🤷🏼♀️ So why are you responding that you'd let your kids do this in SLC
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 30, 2023 5:38:58 GMT
Well, no, because it’s 500 miles from where I live. 🤷🏼♀️ So why are you responding that you'd let your kids do this in SLC I was making the point that even though I live in a tiny town where we know everyone, I would let my kids do it in the nearest comparable city. You know, answering the question you asked us all in the first post. Next time, if you just want validation, tell us.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 6:04:22 GMT
So why are you responding that you'd let your kids do this in SLC I was making the point that even though I live in a tiny town where we know everyone, I would let my kids do it in the nearest comparable city. You know, answering the question you asked us all in the first post. Next time, if you just want validation, tell us. deflection...yeah downtown Denver is comparable to your quaint little area? Wasn't my question for Denver, specifically.
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Post by inkedup on Jan 30, 2023 6:35:28 GMT
I was making the point that even though I live in a tiny town where we know everyone, I would let my kids do it in the nearest comparable city. You know, answering the question you asked us all in the first post. Next time, if you just want validation, tell us. deflection...yeah downtown Denver is comparable to your quaint little area? Wasn't my question for Denver, specifically. You are weirdly overinvested in proving your point about this party your child didn't even attend.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 6:54:18 GMT
deflection...yeah downtown Denver is comparable to your quaint little area? Wasn't my question for Denver, specifically. You are weirdly overinvrsted in proving your point about this party your child didn't even attend. agreed,,keeping a,discussion among the peas, guess I'm not a thread stopper on this topic as many of mine others have been. Got your attention
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Post by elaine on Jan 30, 2023 11:08:28 GMT
I was making the point that even though I live in a tiny town where we know everyone, I would let my kids do it in the nearest comparable city. You know, answering the question you asked us all in the first post. Next time, if you just want validation, tell us. deflection...yeah downtown Denver is comparable to your quaint little area? Wasn't my question for Denver, specifically. No, she said that SLC was comparable to Denver (which I agree with) and was talking about what she’d allow her child do there. It appears as if you are being deliberately obtuse at this point. Not everyone has to agree with you and your choices. You asked for opinions, but appear to only want ones supporting you. Just include PVM in the title and OP next time and you’ll get more of what it seems that you want in this thread. 🤷♀️ It is perfectly okay to do that- especially since you already made your decision before posting.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 12:22:48 GMT
deflection...yeah downtown Denver is comparable to your quaint little area? Wasn't my question for Denver, specifically. No, she said that SLC was comparable to Denver (which I agree with) and was talking about what she’d allow her child do there. It appears as if you are being deliberately obtuse at this point. Not everyone has to agree with you and your choices. You asked for opinions, but appear to only want ones supporting you. Just include PVM in the title and OP next time and you’ll get more of what it seems that you want in this thread. 🤷♀️ It is perfectly okay to do that- especially since you already made your decision before posting. What is pvm?
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 30, 2023 12:30:47 GMT
No, she said that SLC was comparable to Denver (which I agree with) and was talking about what she’d allow her child do there. It appears as if you are being deliberately obtuse at this point. Not everyone has to agree with you and your choices. You asked for opinions, but appear to only want ones supporting you. Just include PVM in the title and OP next time and you’ll get more of what it seems that you want in this thread. 🤷♀️ It is perfectly okay to do that- especially since you already made your decision before posting. What is pvm? Please validate me- it means I just want you to tell me i am right I would not have let my kid go because it was cold.
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 30, 2023 14:26:09 GMT
deflection...yeah downtown Denver is comparable to your quaint little area? Wasn't my question for Denver, specifically. No, she said that SLC was comparable to Denver (which I agree with) and was talking about what she’d allow her child do there. Thank you.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 30, 2023 14:46:54 GMT
I see it was canceled.. but ABSOUTLEY NOT.. I work downtown Denver... In the past month since I have been down here I have been shocked about how bad it is. SO many homeless, so many shootings.. there is no way I would let my 14 year old wandering around even with an adult.
I'm not worried for myself. I have close parking and security that watches out for all of us pretty much.
The libraries are shutting down for drug use, including the suburb ones.
WHO are these parents.. lol
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 30, 2023 14:56:23 GMT
OMG I had to stop reading responses... Those who don't know downtown Denver especially NOW.. it is bad. I can sit here and show videos that are right outside my window during the day. There was a shooting not 50 feet from where I work. This is in a trendy area too.. near the baseball stadium. It is NOT safe. I am not a scared of downtown for ME. I have taken my kids to do the downtown things.. when it was SAFE. It is a huge fat mess now. OP, I'm glad it was canceled for your piece of mind. My two oldest kids don't even come downtown much anymore due to the crime. They are young and visit all the trendy places. They even hate it now.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 30, 2023 15:06:14 GMT
I grew up in Illinois/Iowa and all through the winter of 8th grade I refused to wear more than a jean jacket and flats. Kids are smarter than that today, they wear coats and hats and boots! And even if they don't, they'll be in civilization and can find shelter! Yes it really is that simple for a two-hour walking outing. WE don't like getting cold because we're old. Is anyone saying no to this just because they really think their kid will get frostbite? For real? Kids are NOT smarter when it comes to this.. Shorts and hoodies. ALL.THE.TIME. There is less than 10% of the kids wearing anything remotely close to a coat. Much less boots. I fight this battle everyday. As a kid in my generation didn't go without a coat/boots. It was a long walk home in -10 degree weather in Missouri.
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Post by twinks on Jan 30, 2023 15:34:18 GMT
I live by a Jr. High in SLC. I am amazed at the lack of coats, let alone hats and gloves. It was 9 degrees this morning. But there again, most do not walk to school. They are dropped off by their parents. This school is in a residential area and the street the school is on is not a main street. The street is basically clogged up with the drop off and pick up. It is funny because further up the street is an Elementary School. I see groups of Elementary students with a parent walking to school every morning. One such group meets on the sidewalk outside my home. There are 5 students from 3 families. The parents rotate who walks with them. Jr. High students are different. It is a hard age.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 30, 2023 15:42:07 GMT
I grew up in Illinois/Iowa and all through the winter of 8th grade I refused to wear more than a jean jacket and flats. Kids are smarter than that today, they wear coats and hats and boots! And even if they don't, they'll be in civilization and can find shelter! Yes it really is that simple for a two-hour walking outing. WE don't like getting cold because we're old. Is anyone saying no to this just because they really think their kid will get frostbite? For real? Kids are NOT smarter when it comes to this.. Shorts and hoodies. ALL.THE.TIME. There is less than 10% of the kids wearing anything remotely close to a coat. Much less boots. I fight this battle everyday. As a kid in my generation didn't go without a coat/boots. It was a long walk home in -10 degree weather in Missouri. Thank you for validating me, LOL. Kids today are just as stupid as we were back in the day! I was always cold and never had a close bus stop so I always bundled up. I can count on one hand the number of times my mom gave me a ride to the bus stop which was 8+ blocks away.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 30, 2023 16:08:06 GMT
Samantha25, I have no dog in this discussion because I am old and things have changed so much when my kids were 13. I live on the outskirts of Atlanta so coming from that perspective, no way would my kids be allowed to go to ATL. Now if it were my revitalized town then yes because it’s extremely busy in the evenings and it might be fun. Middle school kids take so many unsafe chances in life because they are invincible and not “street smart”, at least mine weren’t and I didn’t expect them to be street smart. IMO, I as the adult and chaperone, would much rather have a more controlled environment for a party. I learned way to much of what lengths kids would go to do what they thought was “cool and popular” and what different parenting styles that were different from my own. I was so naive. 🤣🤣 I just want to agree and say that any time you have a group of kids this age, supervised or not, there will always be some that just can’t resist acting the fool and doing dumb things in an effort to try to impress their friends or because they think they’re SO funny. My kid is an only who spends probably 75% of her free time around adults and even she thinks some of her peers are idiots, LOL. And I also agree with your comment about different parenting styles. It seems like some of my kid’s friends are being raised by wolves after overhearing some of their conversations when my kid is on FaceTime, and some of my conversations with the parents themselves. Some of the stuff these kids do or talk about goes way beyond what I would consider even free range. On the plus side, it gives me opportunities to have frank discussions with my own kid about what is and isn’t appropriate for a kid her age.
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Post by ~summer~ on Jan 30, 2023 18:00:21 GMT
Sorry I haven’t read all the responses so maybe this thread has gone off topic - but I would be fine with all aspects of the invite and honestly to me, sounds like great party.
I’ve walked all over downtown Denver (and Seattle) recently and both felt completely safe (and clean) - but I’m used to downtown SF (particularly around Market Street which does not always feel safe - I still don’t hesitate to walk around there I’m just more aware).
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Post by scrapmaven on Jan 30, 2023 18:06:17 GMT
My takeaway from this thread isn't about parties or 13 year olds or winter wear. My takeaway is that we have a crisis in this country w/homelessness and we don't have or use the funds to get help for this population. The real problem isn't about whether or not the child should have gone to the party. The real problem is about a tanking economy and people needing help to get off the streets. Worrying about a 13 year old who might not have the right jacket is nothing compared to worrying about the human beings sleeping on cold pavement in freezing temps night after night w/o any promise of change.
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Post by J u l e e on Jan 30, 2023 20:13:02 GMT
This thread has it all!
My contribution is wondering why anyone fights battles with their kids over coats, hats, and gloves. Provide your child with appropriate gear and they can choose to wear or not wear it. They are not as bothered by cold as we are. If they are, they can choose to wear the provided items.
Please don’t tell them how their body should feel at a certain temperature. They will learn to listen to their own body and choose appropriately or put up with whatever an inappropriate choice brings. This is a fight you do not have to wage.
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Post by Zee on Jan 30, 2023 22:33:49 GMT
This thread has it all! My contribution is wondering why anyone fights battles with their kids over coats, hats, and gloves. Provide your child with appropriate gear and they can choose to wear or not wear it. They are not as bothered by cold as we are. If they are, they can choose to wear the provided items. Please don’t tell them how their body should feel at a certain temperature. They will learn to listen to their own body and choose appropriately or put up with whatever an inappropriate choice brings. This is a fight you do not have to wage. Wrong! They'll all be frozen to the ground by the end of this scavenger hunt! It happens every single winter that we lose great kids to the dangers of not wearing a down coat and wool lined boots! You see it every day on the news! Oh wait... You're right, that never happens. Probably because of all the vigilant moms who by the way are here telling me how dumb their kids are.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 30, 2023 23:49:09 GMT
This thread has it all! My contribution is wondering why anyone fights battles with their kids over coats, hats, and gloves. Provide your child with appropriate gear and they can choose to wear or not wear it. They are not as bothered by cold as we are. If they are, they can choose to wear the provided items. Please don’t tell them how their body should feel at a certain temperature. They will learn to listen to their own body and choose appropriately or put up with whatever an inappropriate choice brings. This is a fight you do not have to wage. Agree I don’t get it People calling the kids idiots. Maybe they’re making the logical choice that they would rather be cold for a couple of minutes at the bus stop than be too hot on the bus and too hot at school and have to carry around/keep up with winter gear all day. I do the exact same thing. Never wear a coat and freeze for 30 seconds in the parking lot instead of having a heat stroke the second I step inside anywhere.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 31, 2023 0:39:48 GMT
This thread has it all! My contribution is wondering why anyone fights battles with their kids over coats, hats, and gloves. Provide your child with appropriate gear and they can choose to wear or not wear it. They are not as bothered by cold as we are. If they are, they can choose to wear the provided items. Please don’t tell them how their body should feel at a certain temperature. They will learn to listen to their own body and choose appropriately or put up with whatever an inappropriate choice brings. This is a fight you do not have to wage. Agree I don’t get it People calling the kids idiots. Maybe they’re making the logical choice that they would rather be cold for a couple of minutes at the bus stop than be too hot on the bus and too hot at school and have to carry around/keep up with winter gear all day. I do the exact same thing. Never wear a coat and freeze for 30 seconds in the parking lot instead of having a heat stroke the second I step inside anywhere. you live in Texas, it isn't the same
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Post by luckyexwife on Jan 31, 2023 0:50:09 GMT
You are weirdly overinvrsted in proving your point about this party your child didn't even attend. agreed,,keeping a,discussion among the peas, guess I'm not a thread stopper on this topic as many of mine others have been. Got your attention I have a question that I don't think was answered. Did you contact the parents and ask if there were adults going with the groups of kids?
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Post by myshelly on Jan 31, 2023 0:57:41 GMT
Agree I don’t get it People calling the kids idiots. Maybe they’re making the logical choice that they would rather be cold for a couple of minutes at the bus stop than be too hot on the bus and too hot at school and have to carry around/keep up with winter gear all day. I do the exact same thing. Never wear a coat and freeze for 30 seconds in the parking lot instead of having a heat stroke the second I step inside anywhere. you live in Texas, it isn't the same You’re right. Logic changes at state lines 🙄
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 31, 2023 1:26:17 GMT
Agree I don’t get it People calling the kids idiots. Maybe they’re making the logical choice that they would rather be cold for a couple of minutes at the bus stop than be too hot on the bus and too hot at school and have to carry around/keep up with winter gear all day. I do the exact same thing. Never wear a coat and freeze for 30 seconds in the parking lot instead of having a heat stroke the second I step inside anywhere. you live in Texas, it isn't the same To be fair I’ve been living in MA since 2015 and haven’t yet put on a coat (here.) I wore a coat in Alaska and was too hot lol I also wore a coat in Old Quebec City (I was just right lol)
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 31, 2023 1:30:10 GMT
This thread has it all! My contribution is wondering why anyone fights battles with their kids over coats, hats, and gloves. Provide your child with appropriate gear and they can choose to wear or not wear it. They are not as bothered by cold as we are. If they are, they can choose to wear the provided items. Please don’t tell them how their body should feel at a certain temperature. They will learn to listen to their own body and choose appropriately or put up with whatever an inappropriate choice brings. This is a fight you do not have to wage. Wrong! They'll all be frozen to the ground by the end of this scavenger hunt! It happens every single winter that we lose great kids to the dangers of not wearing a down coat and wool lined boots! You see it every day on the news! Oh wait... You're right, that never happens. Probably because of all the vigilant moms who by the way are here telling me how dumb their kids are. I’m sure you think you’re being funny, but people actually DO freeze to death here so I take it seriously. 62 of them in fact in 2019 per my state’s Department of Health, and more than 50 in each the two years before that. You are actually right that no one under 15 died in 2019, and that likely IS because of their vigilant moms telling them to wear their damn coat when it’s freaking cold.
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Post by busy on Jan 31, 2023 1:32:40 GMT
Wrong! They'll all be frozen to the ground by the end of this scavenger hunt! It happens every single winter that we lose great kids to the dangers of not wearing a down coat and wool lined boots! You see it every day on the news! Oh wait... You're right, that never happens. Probably because of all the vigilant moms who by the way are here telling me how dumb their kids are. I’m sure you think you’re being funny, but people actually DO freeze to death here so I take it seriously. 62 of them in fact in 2019 per my state’s Department of Health, and more than 50 in each the two years before that. You are actually right that no one under 15 died in 2019, and that likely IS because of their vigilant moms telling them to wear their damn coat when it’s freaking cold. It’s more likely that there are more resources available for children and unhoused children are rare.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 31, 2023 1:50:11 GMT
This thread has it all! My contribution is wondering why anyone fights battles with their kids over coats, hats, and gloves. Provide your child with appropriate gear and they can choose to wear or not wear it. They are not as bothered by cold as we are. If they are, they can choose to wear the provided items. Please don’t tell them how their body should feel at a certain temperature. They will learn to listen to their own body and choose appropriately or put up with whatever an inappropriate choice brings. This is a fight you do not have to wage. Agree I don’t get it People calling the kids idiots. Maybe they’re making the logical choice that they would rather be cold for a couple of minutes at the bus stop than be too hot on the bus and too hot at school and have to carry around/keep up with winter gear all day. I do the exact same thing. Never wear a coat and freeze for 30 seconds in the parking lot instead of having a heat stroke the second I step inside anywhere. Okay genius, you’re right. Maybe it is better to “freeze for 30 seconds” while waiting at the bus stop. Except here, where it’s actually winter right now and the roads are covered with ice and snow, on any given day the bus can be 10-15-20 minutes LATE with no notice whatsoever. And sometimes it doesn’t show up at all because occasionally the diesel buses break down when it’s as cold as it has been lately. Plus they want the kids out there at least five minutes early in case the bus is running early. My kid’s bus is a ten minute walk from our house, so she could be standing out there for potentially a half hour before realizing it’s not going to come. The bus GPS tracking app that was supposed to be operational at the beginning of the school year still isn’t, and even when it does work it’s not accurate. So yeah, when the air temperature is -11° tomorrow morning at 6:45 am and my kid is getting ready to head out to the bus, I’ll be making damn sure she has on a coat, hat, boots and gloves. This year they have assigned lockers at school so no kid needs to carry their winter gear around with them all day. Even last year when they didn’t, they left their coats and stuff in their advisory classrooms.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 31, 2023 1:53:29 GMT
Wrong! They'll all be frozen to the ground by the end of this scavenger hunt! It happens every single winter that we lose great kids to the dangers of not wearing a down coat and wool lined boots! You see it every day on the news! Oh wait... You're right, that never happens. Probably because of all the vigilant moms who by the way are here telling me how dumb their kids are. I’m sure you think you’re being funny, but people actually DO freeze to death here so I take it seriously. 62 of them in fact in 2019 per my state’s Department of Health, and more than 50 in each the two years before that. You are actually right that no one under 15 died in 2019, and that likely IS because of their vigilant moms telling them to wear their damn coat when it’s freaking cold. Not to mention that most people aren't outside for long periods of time when it is below zero unless they have all of their skin covered and are wearing many layers of clothing.
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Post by Zee on Jan 31, 2023 2:20:11 GMT
I give! Uncle! Every child is stupid and only alive because their mothers make them take a coat! I don't know why I'm still alive, pure dumb luck I knew to come in from the cold I guess since my mother wasn't nearly so vigilant!
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