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Post by kimber731 on Feb 2, 2023 16:38:09 GMT
Have any of you successfully transfered your parents or loved ones to an assisted living facility? My in-laws are in their late 80's. He has advanced Parkinsons and is on a feeding tube. She has been solely managing his care over the last year but it is taking its toll on her. We have been rotating family members to stay with them 24-7 over the last few weeks but that is not sustainable. Home Health is so expensive and they do not have long term care insurance.
I think the assisted living facility would be ideal, and they could manage it with their finances but they are so resistant to leaving their own home.
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Post by littlemama on Feb 2, 2023 16:48:25 GMT
Have they toured any facilities? Seeing what it entails and the activities/amenities that are available might help sway them
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Post by marysue63 on Feb 2, 2023 16:56:25 GMT
I did that with my mom about 3 years ago. I was VERY lucky that she wasn't resistant and knew that it was the right thing. She had lived in her house for over 50 years and I lived with her for the last 15. It was time. She couldn't get up and down the stairs very easily which was probably the biggest thing. I let her make the decision but with a LOT of encouragement from me and my sisters. We had toured some places already, and she had friends that lived in assisted living so she was familiar with the idea.
It was very, very hard to move her, even with her blessing. She wanted to go 'home' the first several days but the place did a great job of getting her introduced to her new way of living. Hey, if I have someone doing my laundry, making my meals, cleaning my place I could get used to it very quickly!
She lived there for about 2 1/2 years before they moved her to memory care. I can't begin to tell you what a huge relief it was to know that she was someplace safe and there was always someone around if she needed anything.
Yes, it's very expensive but my mom was so frugal her whole life that she had plenty to cover the cost of the new living situation.
Good luck!
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Post by kimber731 on Feb 2, 2023 17:14:43 GMT
They don't even want to tour a facility.
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Post by bethany102399 on Feb 2, 2023 17:22:37 GMT
You might look for a transition coordinator in your area. I finally found one for my mom who was super resistant. She agreed as it was a neutral third party. I'm sorry this can become a major thing, especially if they don't want to go.
There was a thread on this a while back and someone said you can choose to go with dignity or you can go kicking and screaming but it's no longer a choice. I'd do the research, then come to them with 2-3 options. You may have to roll a hard six and force the issue.
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Post by kimber731 on Feb 2, 2023 17:24:22 GMT
They don't even want to tour a facility.
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Post by trixiecat on Feb 2, 2023 17:41:52 GMT
It sounds like it is going to come to a point where they are going to be forced to make this decision. With his advanced Parkinson's he is going to come to a point where it will not be safe for him to stay in his house. Have you considered getting hospice involved or their family doctor? My dad became suddenly sick over a year ago and my mom has dementia. Also in their mid to late 80's. The doctor in rehab sat us down and gave us 4 choices: Do nothing medically and you will die in several weeks, in home health care (that was going to be $500 a day and would not cover my mom), stay in rehab facility and get medical care there (that also was going to be $15K a month and my mom still would not be looked after) or move to assisted living and get hospice involved.
I think it helps when you have an outside party go over the pros and concerns of the situation. It is hard when you are that age and the transition is not always easy. My dad was so cranky with the staff the first month because he wasn't being taken to the dining hall when he wanted, etc. But then he softened and realized that the staff is really there to help and doing there best.
Good luck with this situation.
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Post by Basket1lady on Feb 2, 2023 17:46:14 GMT
My in-laws were very resistant, to the point where they promised each other that they would never move to a facility. My MIL has dementia and wanted to stay in their home. But then FIL needed surgery and all of his care plans fell through when COVID swept through the home care nurses in the community that same week. So he had no one to stay with MIL while he was in the hospital and no help for his recovery. This was summer of 2020 and we were living in Belgium. My sister-in-law had to drop everything and drive out to them. It was very obvious that they shouldn’t be living alone.
So FIL gave in. My SIL rented an RV and drove them back to Minnesota. They went into a rehab facility and MIL stayed with FIL in his room. Then they moved to an assisted living apartment. MIL was verbally abusive and refused to get out of bed or eat. FIL just couldn’t care for her and within a month she was moved to skilled nursing in the same facility. FIL was able to visit her and then go back to his apartment. There’s more to the saga, but it doesn’t help your situation.
It gave them some peace of mind to move where they could have different levels of help in one facility. There was also a chapel, beauty shop, barber shop, bus to take them shopping, garages if they had kept the car, etc. It’s a nice facility. FIL eventually moved in with his sister when she became widowed, but MIL is still there in skilled nursing now. They know her and manage her well.
My in-laws sold their house and that’s what has been paying for the facility. We had to separate their finances to prepare for when the money runs out. We will then have to declare MIL indigent and the state will take over her care. That will allow FIL to continue paying his share to live with his sister. They both draw retirement and social security.
We pay about $9,500 for MIL’s place in the skilled nursing wing. It was about $3,500 for both of them on the assisted living side—meals alone were about $25 a day for the two of them. For that facility, they billed nursing care in 15 minute increments and had so many credits to use each month. So if they need help with medications, bathing, dressing, etc that can be done on a need basis and it can be stepped up or down monthly as needed.
My FIL definitely has guilt over “abandoning “ MIL, but he just couldn’t live like that. We try to give him a lot of support and now that he’s living with his sister, his days are busy and he’s happier. MIl’s dementia has progressed enough to where she doesn’t remember most things for more than 90 seconds or so. She does ask for Marv and we tell her that he’s in a rehab facility after his surgery. She doesn’t remember that it’s been almost 3 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 18:06:08 GMT
My grandparents planned before they needed for the move and moved into a wonderful place that goes from independent living through each stage as they needed it. My grandmother is still there and lives in her own apartment, but gets some assistance each day since she can mostly manage on her own.
My parents have also made plans for when they need it so we are not burdened with trying to force them to do what needs to be done.
My In Laws on the other hand REFUSED to even consider it even though they had very complicated health needs and ended up in the hospital almost weekly. We really encouraged them to look at things and make the decisions for themselves while they still could or we would end up in the place of needing to make the decisions for them. My FIL passed from a very aggressive and rare cancer last year which has now left my MIL alone in the house struggling. She also has been in and out of the hospital (cannot get her diabetes under control...is on permanent oxygen...along with other things). As the frequency of her hospital stays continues to grow, she is getting to the place of being ready to move out of the house reluctantly. She is in Texas and we are in Illinois, so she is going to move to a facility near us. DH has been handling just about everything for her long distance at this point (finances, ordering groceries, video calls with Dr's, calling to remind her to eat), so hopefully this will help both him and her. The biggest obstacle is the amount of hoarding in her house...I have NO idea how we are going to get it cleaned out, move what she needs and then dispose of the rest and the house. They did not financially plan ahead, so she needs the sale of the house to live on.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Feb 2, 2023 18:14:25 GMT
We had just started this process with my father and his wife. They did not want to move and our biggest selling point was if they made the decisions now they would be able to stay together. If it gets to the point where others have to decide, they may get separated. They did not want to be apart. Unfortunately, it did not go as planned. His wife ended up in a hospice facility and a couple months later dad fell and passed 2 weeks after the fall. They were able to talk daily, and we did get dad over to visit her a couple times. It was very tough on both of them.
If they want to stay together, they need to be the ones in charge of where they go. Once the decisions are out of their hands, they lose control.
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Post by bethany102399 on Feb 2, 2023 18:26:43 GMT
smalltowngirlie I'm sorry. It's so hard when you have to force a parent into a decision that they don't want but need.
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Post by calgaryscrapper on Feb 2, 2023 20:33:52 GMT
We had home care a couple of hours per day. We were there often and other family came by. What it took was her last trip to the hospital and the doctor saying she could not be on her own. dh and I toured care homes. We were then given three in the area to choose from. The day she went in she said “whoever put me in here will pay”. Here in Alberta the Government subsidizes part of the care. We could also write part of it off on her income taxes. We set up a guest book beside her bed so people could sign in when they have come to visit her.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 2, 2023 20:39:46 GMT
You might look for a transition coordinator in your area. I finally found one for my mom who was super resistant. She agreed as it was a neutral third party. I'm sorry this can become a major thing, especially if they don't want to go. There was a thread on this a while back and someone said you can choose to go with dignity or you can go kicking and screaming but it's no longer a choice. I'd do the research, then come to them with 2-3 options. You may have to roll a hard six and force the issue. We had to force the issue, but they are in such a great place, and really happy now.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Feb 2, 2023 21:02:41 GMT
My Dad wanted nothing to do with it. I would set up appointments to tour and the day of he'd cancel on me. I dropped it. THEN I had to fly to Florida to bring him home and we went directly from the airport to the hospital and then to rehab. I had had enough as I was trying to manage him, my husband, who was terminal, and 2 jobs. I went and toured facilities, narrowed down the field and in the end nudged him to the facility that was 4 minutes from my house that had a rehab attached to it. He went from the rehab into assisted living. He didn't put up a fight because I think he finally realized he needed the help and plus he knew I was MAD. But once he got in there he said to me "I should have done this years ago". If we hadn't had the Florida fiasco, I don't know if I could have gotten him to go.
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Post by bethany102399 on Feb 2, 2023 21:08:11 GMT
We had to force the issue, but they are in such a great place, and really happy now. The statement just resonated with me. My mom, for whom maintaining her dignity was so important, just threw such a fit and things got very bad. DH's parents watched us deal with it and made choices to set themselves up to go where they wanted to go before the issue was forced. DH and I talk about the very real possibility that our mobility will be limited as we get older and that when we make post retirement decisions we need to keep that in mind. I do not want to do to our kids what was done to me.
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Post by moodyblue on Feb 2, 2023 21:20:29 GMT
Be aware that he may not be approved for Assisted Living. My grandmother had Parkinson's and it was really iffy for a bit whether they would approve her. They did but it was kind of on a trial basis. A year later she died, and we were all sure that she would have had to move to the nursing home section had she not died then.
My grandfather had reluctantly agreed to leave their home because he knew that grandma needed more care. He continued to drive and go play cards at his usual place so he was not reliant on the activities in the facility.
My other grandparents left their home about the same time. My paternal grandfather went into the nursing home and my grandmother had a small apartment in the same facility. When he died about two years later, it helped her that she had already made the transition to living there and had friends and support around her.
My mom spent the last couple years in assisted living. It was her choice, so she did not have to be convinced.
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Post by auntkelly on Feb 2, 2023 21:21:16 GMT
I had a terrible time convincing my 96 year old aunt that due to her memory issues, it was no longer safe for her to live on a farm by herself. I was driving over to see her at least once a week and it was an hour and a half drive each way. I knew in my heart she needed to be in a care facility, but some distant relatives who lived a mile away from her kept saying "don't put her in a home. She can live at our house if it gets too bad. We check on her all the time and she is fine." (I always suspected their idea of "checking on her all the time" was really just driving her back and forth to church on Sundays).
Those same relatives who always said they would take my aunt in if things got too bad finally called me one morning and said "Come get your aunt. One of the neighbors found her walking down a country road at 6:00 am and she couldn't even tell the neighbor her name."
My aunt lived w/ my husband and I for a few weeks before we found her a place. She didn't want to go and it was heartbreaking, but I told her she didn't really have a choice. The first place we found wasn't the right fit for her (her dementia was so much more advanced than any of us realized). We finally found a great place for her and my husband was able to negotiate the price down to a level she could afford.
She is really happy at the place she is at, but her dementia has gotten worse. She asks me pretty frequently to take her home to see her mom and dad. (Her mom and dad would both be 123 if they were still alive).
If I had it to do all over again, I would have told my aunt gently but firmly that she had to go to a facility as soon as I knew in my heart it was not safe for her to live alone. It's a terribly sad situation, but it's just the way things are. It's one of those hard decisions you have to make for your loved ones.
I really feel for you and your family. It sounds like you are all in agreement about what needs to be done. Maybe you can call a family meeting and explain to your parents that given the situation there is no other choice but for them to move to a facility that can provide the support they need. If they see that you and all your siblings are in agreement, they will hopefully realize it really is time to move.
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Post by janeinbama on Feb 2, 2023 22:08:40 GMT
BTDT it is not easy. Do DH and his siblings agree something needs to be done? If so, I would schedule and appointment with their regular DR to get a clear picture of their health and then visit facilities and ask plenty of questions. Finding openings in facilities that you like may be trickier than you realize.
My mother moved into Assisted Living and lasted about 4 months before moving to LTC. She is widowed and had aides come to her house for the prior 4 years. She is thriving in LTC. She interacts with the staff and other residents, attending assorted programs all through the week.
It is expensive no doubt.
My late inlaws visited multiple facilities and decided on one that had Independent Senior Apartments down to long term care. However, years later when my MIL went on dialysis, they did not take dialysis patients in LTC. Later, when my FIL needed LTC, there were no openings. You just can't plan on everything (hugs) to you and your family.
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Post by lisae on Feb 2, 2023 22:09:34 GMT
Will Assisted Living take him with him being on a feeding tube? That would be the main question I would ask. Also, as his Parkinson's progresses, he may need to move to nursing. (They had just moved someone with Parkinsons to a nursing facility when my mother moved into assisted living because it progressed to more than the staff could manage.)
Mother had to go to Assisted Living memory care. It was the middle of the pandemic. There was so much about that situation that is different from yours and from the way things are today so I don't have any advice other than to be sure they know the full extent of his needs. You don't want to convince them to go somewhere and then find out that place won't be able to care for them.
Good luck. There is nothing easy about parenting parents.
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Post by lavawalker1 on Feb 2, 2023 22:36:20 GMT
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 3, 2023 0:01:37 GMT
I am really sorry. I went through this my father. I didn't persuade him so have no advice.
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Post by moodyblue on Feb 3, 2023 0:44:19 GMT
One thought - do your parents know anyone who is currently in assisted living? If so, you could take them to visit them.
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Post by calgaryscrapper on Feb 3, 2023 1:06:12 GMT
It is a good point Lisae made about a care home. A friends husband was on nite time dialysis, had mobility issues etc. once one care home in our city could provide care for him at a cost of thousands of dollars per month at the beginning of Covid. They elected to keep him at home, his wife care for him and he accepted some home care. With other friends the parents were placed in a small apartment and went downstairs for 2 meals a day. As their care needs changed they were then placed in two separate areas in the facility but could visit each other.
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Post by Peal on Feb 3, 2023 2:14:15 GMT
My dad was so against assisted living that he put it in his trust, after my mom's dementia dx, that they would age in their home. Then dad died very unexpectedly at 74 and we had to scramble. We found a little house for my mom next door to my sister and she lived there with us checking in, then with home health care 5 days a week for 3 years, and absolutely refused to even entertain the idea of leaving the house. Then she walked out the front door at 2 am and wandered off, in her nightgown, barefoot. We put her in memory care within the month. That was in Oct. She was so very mad at us. Still is. If she had allowed a move to assisted living sooner we would have been able to find her a spot in a home closer to us with more amenities.
Having to move them when it's a crisis limits options. Tell them if they agree, they'll have more say in it. If it's an emergency move, you get what's available.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 3, 2023 2:35:22 GMT
I agree completely that you don’t want to wait until there is a crisis to force them to make the move. My mom didn’t want to move out of her house but the level of care she required was more than what my brother could do alone even with several of us siblings coming in during the week to help.
When she started attempting to wander at night was where we drew the line. My brother simply couldn’t watch her 24 hours a day and still function, so we just made the decision for her because she was beyond the point of deciding for herself. It turned out she needed 24/7 skilled care at that point so it was the nursing home area of the facility she ended up in instead of the assisted living floor. She REALLY wasn’t happy those first couple weeks but by the time a month had passed she had transitioned to her new reality pretty well and ultimately grew to like having so many things to do.
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Post by ajax on Feb 3, 2023 3:38:51 GMT
My sisters and I just moved my mother, who has dementia, to assisted living last week. We had been talking to her about moving for the last year and she was very resistant to the idea. She didn’t want to visit any facilities and basically just didn’t want to discuss moving. We finally got her primary care doctor involved and he convinced her that moving was the safest and best thing for her. She reluctantly agreed to move but she certainly wasn’t happy about it.
Move-in day was very hard because she was so mad at us. The first day she didn’t want to leave her room, but she has been participating in most of the daily activities since then. When she was still at home she didn’t eat or sleep well. As we have visited over the last week she has been telling us how good the food is and how well she is sleeping.
I visited her today and one of the staff told me how well they think she is adjusting in such a short amount of time.
Good luck. It’s not an easy situation to deal with.
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