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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 2, 2023 18:00:40 GMT
There won’t exactly be a shortage of places they can stay if/when they visit. They don’t live here so why do they need a home here? Exactly. I mean, if he stays at BP, wouldn't he have security there? Or CHarles's home - Highgrove?
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 2, 2023 18:33:59 GMT
They don’t live here so why do they need a home here? Exactly! Other than it adds to their royal cachet (which is fading daily) to say they have a home in the UK, there is no reason for them to have a base there. Especially since they've made it very clear how they feel about it. supposedly for Harry to be one of the 4 or 6 (I can't remember what it is called, the council who can make decisions when the King is out of country), he needs to reside in the UK. Although that property is his "home" when he is there, I am not sure if there is an amount of time he is supposed to spend in the country - I think hes only been there for about maybe 2 weeks total since he moved to CA.
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Post by bessieb on Mar 2, 2023 19:09:23 GMT
It wasn't a gift - a gift means that someone gives you something and then you own it free and clear. This was not a "gift" from the Queen...it was an offer of a rental property, those homes are the Monarch's to offer to family members for long term rent. Most of the Royals don't own the properties they live in, so Harry is no different to the others. When any of the rest of us rent a house, we don't for a minute think the owner of the property is gifting it to us, nor do we think we now own it. We pay rent to live there...and if for some reason the owner of the property wants to use it for something or someone else, they have the right at the end of the lease to ask us to move out. At this stage we don't know what the deal is with the money supposedly paid back by Harry for the renovations - there are rumours that Charles actually repaid the money on Harry's behalf...in which case they'd just be even, or if Harry really did pay for the renovations out of his own pocket, then there's nothing so far to suggest he is out that money - part of the deal may be that once the property reverts to the crown, he does get paid back. That makes sense. They probably should not have reimbursed the money under those circumstances. It will be interesting to hear what happens with that, if they actually reimbursed the funds, like you said. I think is issue with the refurb was yes it needed new plumbing electrics etc but they demanded so much more was done , layout redone, rooms knocked into others, and to a complete luxury specification far beyond what was acceptable to the public purse
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Post by mom on Mar 2, 2023 19:15:07 GMT
Exactly! Other than it adds to their royal cachet (which is fading daily) to say they have a home in the UK, there is no reason for them to have a base there. Especially since they've made it very clear how they feel about it. supposedly for Harry to be one of the 4 or 6 (I can't remember what it is called, the council who can make decisions when the King is out of country), he needs to reside in the UK. Although that property is his "home" when he is there, I am not sure if there is an amount of time he is supposed to spend in the country - I think hes only been there for about maybe 2 weeks total since he moved to CA. Im not British and certainly not under the Monarchy and their rules, but damn. If anyone deserved NOT to be a Counselor of State, it would be Harry. I don't think anyone would trust any advice he would give out.
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Post by wellway on Mar 2, 2023 19:52:42 GMT
supposedly for Harry to be one of the 4 or 6 (I can't remember what it is called, the council who can make decisions when the King is out of country), he needs to reside in the UK. Although that property is his "home" when he is there, I am not sure if there is an amount of time he is supposed to spend in the country - I think hes only been there for about maybe 2 weeks total since he moved to CA. Im not British and certainly not under the Monarchy and their rules, but damn. If anyone deserved NOT to be a Counselor of State, it would be Harry. I don't think anyone would trust any advice he would give out. Trying to remember the details, but the list has been extended to seven people, via the House of Commons. I think it was easier to add more than take Andrew and Harry off the list. But according to wiki, Of these seven, Prince Andrew and Prince Harry do not perform royal duties. If Prince Harry ceases to be domiciled in the United Kingdom, he shall become ineligible to be a counsellor of state.[5] In February 2022 however, Prince Harry renewed his lease on Frogmore Cottage in the UK, meaning he may intend to continue to be domiciled there.[15] Terminating the lease might have an interesting effect.
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Post by mom on Mar 2, 2023 22:36:08 GMT
For anyone interested, I listened to the podcast Pod Save the King on my walk today and they touched on this newest story with Harry. They were saying the timing is because of the new budget that's coming out April 1. Anyway, I thought their discussion about it was good and thought others might want to l listen. The part about kicking Harry out is the about the first 15 min or so.
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Post by gar on Mar 2, 2023 23:21:11 GMT
For anyone interested, I listened to the podcast Pod Save the King on my walk today and they touched on this newest story with Harry. They were saying the timing is because of the new budget that's coming out April 1. Anyway, I thought their discussion about it was good and thought others might want to l listen. The part about kicking Harry out is the about the first 15 min or so. Who does the podcast?
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 2, 2023 23:46:03 GMT
For anyone interested, I listened to the podcast Pod Save the King on my walk today and they touched on this newest story with Harry. They were saying the timing is because of the new budget that's coming out April 1. Anyway, I thought their discussion about it was good and thought others might want to l listen. The part about kicking Harry out is the about the first 15 min or so. Who does the podcast? The Daily Mirror
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Post by mom on Mar 3, 2023 0:08:52 GMT
Oh I didn't realize it was them.
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Post by Sarah*H on Mar 3, 2023 1:40:44 GMT
I'm ambivalent about where Harry stays when he's in England but I do think it's really gross that Andrew is still getting housing. I know it's Charles' choice but seriously, if anyone is deserving of being kicked to the curb based on bad behavior, it's Andrew. And honestly, I think it's gross that Charles thinks Andrew is more deserving than his own son, no matter what bridges Harry has burned. Whining and spilling the family tea is worse than raping an underage girl? No prodigal son story in the British monarchy, that's for sure.
TLDR? Don't care about Harry. Think it's gross that Andrew benefits in any way.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 3, 2023 1:44:54 GMT
I'm ambivalent about where Harry stays when he's in England but I do think it's really gross that Andrew is still getting housing. I know it's Charles' choice but seriously, if anyone is deserving of being kicked to the curb based on bad behavior, it's Andrew. And honestly, I think it's gross that Charles thinks Andrew is more deserving than his own son, no matter what bridges Harry has burned. Whining and spilling the family tea is worse than raping an underage girl? No prodigal son story in the British monarchy, that's for sure. TLDR? Don't care about Harry. Think it's gross that Andrew benefits in any way. I don’t disagree with you that it’s gross Andrew gets housing at all, BUT just to clarify that he isn’t benefitting from this. He’s getting a downgrade from his current housing to Frogmore.
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Post by Sarah*H on Mar 3, 2023 1:51:59 GMT
I'm ambivalent about where Harry stays when he's in England but I do think it's really gross that Andrew is still getting housing. I know it's Charles' choice but seriously, if anyone is deserving of being kicked to the curb based on bad behavior, it's Andrew. And honestly, I think it's gross that Charles thinks Andrew is more deserving than his own son, no matter what bridges Harry has burned. Whining and spilling the family tea is worse than raping an underage girl? No prodigal son story in the British monarchy, that's for sure. TLDR? Don't care about Harry. Think it's gross that Andrew benefits in any way. I don’t disagree with you that it’s gross Andrew gets housing at all, BUT just to clarify that he isn’t benefitting from this. He’s getting a downgrade from his current housing to Frogmore. I disagree. I know Frogmore is smaller than his current home but he's benefitting because he's still getting housing at all. A downgrade is irrelevant, he should be booted altogether.
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Post by mom on Mar 3, 2023 2:25:44 GMT
If I had to guess, I bet Andy doesn't end up at Frogmore. Didn't Fergie just buy a big home with that book deal she signed? I bet he moves into her home before downgrading to Frogmore.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 3, 2023 3:16:28 GMT
If I had to guess, I bet Andy doesn't end up at Frogmore. Didn't Fergie just buy a big home with that book deal she signed? I bet he moves into her home before downgrading to Frogmore. Possibly. Maybe KC is hoping that happens?
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Post by pjaye on Mar 3, 2023 23:47:29 GMT
If I had to guess, I bet Andy doesn't end up at Frogmore. Didn't Fergie just buy a big home with that book deal she signed? I bet he moves into her home before downgrading to Frogmore. I doubt it - he no longer has personal security either, so moving from a Royal property would mean he has to foot the bill for his own security at all times and I can't see him doing that and I also doubt he could afford it even if he wanted to. As long as he's at home in one of the grace & favour properties, he'll still have the security that comes with it. Speaking of Fergie, she just did an interesting interview: archive.is/2023.03.03-091616/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/03/03/sarah-ferguson-interview-duchess-of-york-prince-andrew-royal/Interestingly Meghan has said Fergie taught her to curtsy to the Queen and she mentions Fergie and having lunch at the Royal Lodge...which seemed to hint at them having a friendly relationship, but Fergie says in this: Either she genuinely hasn't spent much time with her or she's playing down any relationship they did have.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 4, 2023 2:25:23 GMT
I’m curious if this negates Harry as domiciled in the UK and has any tax implications with the IRS?
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Post by katlady on Mar 4, 2023 4:08:41 GMT
I’m curious if this negates Harry as domiciled in the UK and has any tax implications with the IRS? For IRS purposes, one test is how many days you have lived in the US, it doesn't matter for US taxes if you own or don't own a home in a foreign country. I think he probably already gets hit with US taxes. I don't know what happens on the UK side though.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 4, 2023 5:20:36 GMT
I’m curious if this negates Harry as domiciled in the UK and has any tax implications with the IRS? For any normal person it would have visa implications to not have a domicile in their home country, but I doubt that will apply to him.
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Post by alsomsknit on Mar 4, 2023 20:10:02 GMT
Having personal experience of cutting family ties…shunned because I left the cult…they set fire to the bridge and I let it burn…
I understand Harry’s actions. He really needs to do himself a favor and cut all ties to his family. Blood does not make family; nor does it necessitate contact. Create a “family” of his choosing and don’t look back.
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Post by gar on Mar 6, 2023 8:50:26 GMT
So they’ve been invited to the Coronation and are weighing it up apparently.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 6, 2023 10:04:41 GMT
So they’ve been invited to the Coronation and are weighing it up apparently. They'll go, the only thing they have that keeps the deals coming in is the Royal Family connection & their ultimate willingness to exploit that. If they don't go it will just prove to everyone how irrelevant they are to the RF. I'll bet there's more emails as they jokey for a front row seat and not the second row like at the Jubilee.
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Post by gillyp on Mar 6, 2023 10:20:34 GMT
I don’t think they’ll go. I think their child’s birthday (I forget which child!) is an ideal opportunity to stay home. I also think Harry will enjoy pontificating on all aspects of the Coronation from the security of his home. I bet there are TV channels right now in talks with him to employ him as their expert correspondent. He won’t turn that job down. I’ve been wrong on all aspects of H&M and pjaye has been right so who knows?!
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 6, 2023 12:21:23 GMT
I don’t think they’ll go. I think their child’s birthday (I forget which child!) is an ideal opportunity to stay home. I also think Harry will enjoy pontificating on all aspects of the Coronation from the security of his home. I bet there are TV channels right now in talks with him to employ him as their expert correspondent. He won’t turn that job down. I’ve been wrong on all aspects of H&M and pjaye has been right so who knows?! I heard they were invited to go and stay at Buckingham, which is a good solution for security, since I believe that is a huge bone of contention for them. They will be protected there. H&M fans are saying they hope they accept the invitation, and then on the day of the coronation, they don't attend it, but instead throw a huge party for Archie (its his bday) and invite all the aristocrats who won't be invited, plus the celebrities who are turning down invites to perform (i assume at celebration parties afterwards). Any idea why so many celebs are turning down that opportunity? I can understand why Elton John said no, due to his relationship with Diana, but why don't people want to perform at the coronation?
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Post by gar on Mar 6, 2023 13:41:02 GMT
They will be protected there. I think their concern about security isn't so much (or isn't only) about when they're within a residence but when they're traveling between places, coming and going from venues etc and therefore more easy to target.
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Post by teddyw on Mar 6, 2023 14:43:51 GMT
There’s no way they aren’t attending. They need footage for their Netflix shows. They’ll be both wired up I bet.
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Post by gillyp on Mar 6, 2023 15:33:27 GMT
Any idea why so many celebs are turning down that opportunity? I can understand why Elton John said no, due to his relationship with Diana, but why don't people want to perform at the coronation? The British press are saying people are not available - Elton is playing in Germany, Harry Styles is on tour, Adele will not long have finished a residency in Vegas and wants a break. It’s a bit unfair to say people don’t want to perform at the Coronation. Where have you seen Elton say he won’t be there because of Diana? He’s working, he has paying audiences expecting to see him.
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