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Post by scrapcat on Mar 3, 2023 17:29:04 GMT
When did he admit that yes, he was at the dog kennel/crime scene? Did that happen during the trial when he testified? Yes. He didn't admit it until the state presented the evidence of the son's video placing him there. I've been following this case since the murders, there are so many layers. There are 84 other counts, which may be up to 99, I've lost track. So even if he wasn't convicted of the murders, he would've faced significant jail time with the other cases. I was confident the jury would find guilty due to the timeline. The only thing that would've been different is if there was any gov't corruption involved, which clearly happens a lot in that area, but the work of investigative reporters & national media attention prevented it. The podcast hosts/investigative reporters have so much info on this case, layers and layers. The older son did not live at home, he's of college age. There is a lot of speculation that maybe he did not intend to kill Paul either, but was aiming to kill his wife. There was a related case with the banker that he was involved with where they were taking loans against conservatorships, he was found guilty of federal banking violations charges and will likely face jail time. There are other lawyers/friends at the law firm who may be charged also. There is speculation that he was anticipating financial issues from the boat crash case and was moving money away from his estate. Even after murders, his brother was selling off assets, assumingly to recover some funds for the remaining son. The guilty verdict was a relief, but also still feel sad for the family/victims. He's caused a lot of anguish for a lot of people. It's sick.
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 3, 2023 18:22:00 GMT
I saw the 2 consecutive life sentences. But does that mean he will have a chance of parole? (Even though I highly doubt it would ever be offered.) I am so relieved he was found guilty. No possibility of parole. The judge was so disgusted by him.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Mar 3, 2023 18:25:18 GMT
Verdict in the thread title. And here I was actively avoiding spoilers. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by stargazer on Mar 3, 2023 19:40:19 GMT
Quick question, can the relatives of the housekeeper sue Murdaugh's estate for the stolen. money? I'd like to see a bit more justice thrown around. BBC Tony Satterfield was another person who trusted Mr Murdaugh. When Mr Satterfield's mother, Gloria - the Murdaugh's housekeeper for 20 years - died after a fall at work, Mr Murdaugh told Tony and his brother they should file a wrongful death suit against him, and that his home insurance would pay compensation. He even suggested a lawyer who could help sue him. Two of Mr Murdaugh's insurance policies paid out a total of $4.3m, but the Satterfields did not receive a dime. They did not even know the case had been settled. Alex Murdaugh, as he himself admitted in court, had stolen it. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64645725The housekeeper’s family have received money from the law firm, their own lawyers, the bank that the fraud went through & possibly others so far. Last I heard they’d received something like $6million. They are also pursuing AM I believe but not sure how successful they will be at this point. The Murdaugh Murders podcast has a lot of info on this.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 3, 2023 20:22:40 GMT
Verdict in the thread title. And here I was actively avoiding spoilers. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) The verdict was announced yesterday and has been all over the place. This isn't a TV show. I didn't know real life had spoilers.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Mar 3, 2023 20:35:58 GMT
The older son did not live at home, he's of college age. He graduated from Wofford in 2018. He had been enrolled in law school at the University of South Carolina but was kicked out early on for plagiarism. It is correct that he wasn't living at home (in any of their homes) at the time of the murders.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 3, 2023 20:39:41 GMT
The older son did not live at home, he's of college age. He graduated from Wofford in 2018. He had been enrolled in law school at the University of South Carolina but was kicked out early on for plagiarism. It is correct that he wasn't living at home (in any of their homes) at the time of the murders. Bold mine! Seems daddy taught him well......
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Mar 3, 2023 21:10:33 GMT
Verdict in the thread title. And here I was actively avoiding spoilers. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) The verdict was announced yesterday and has been all over the place. This isn't a TV show. I didn't know real life had spoilers. I don't exactly live under a rock, but it's pretty easy to avoid. I find the "This isn't a TV show. I didn't know real life had spoilers" comment to be laughable. Around here the news is literally entertainment for so many Peas. They race to their keyboards to live their alter ego newscaster lives and repost incessent Twitter links etc, pretending their "coverage" is meaningful. Was it really necessary to put the verdict in the title line? That's all I'm saying. Sheesh. This was a case that involved financial fraud of so many types. Cover ups, murders, and influence. There are so many moving pieces and I have been following the Mandy Matly podcast for YEARS. I've been busy doing actual work, and got a little behind. So yes. The verdict in a story I've been following for YEARS feels like a spoiler. I wanted to listen to the lead up and the ACTUAL information presented during the trial. Even for reality TV, and TV shows, the Peas are usually more considerate about spoilers in headlines, and even within threads. Why is that too much to ask here? What's done is done, and it's whatever. It won't affect me in any meaningful way, just annoying. I just figured that if it were me posting the OP and someone (just one someone) shared what a bummer it was, I'd go back and change the title, just to be kind. But hey, you'll have to slap harder, my hand isn't stinging.
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Mar 3, 2023 23:44:11 GMT
I also have been following for years, listened eagerly to 3 different podcasts dedicated to this case, and have been riveted for the last 6 weeks. I was shocked when the verdict came back so quickly. Even though I believed he was guilty, I really thought we'd get a hung jury.
Such a sad, complicated case. I'm happy with the outcome, but "happy" feels like a weird word to use in the middle of a tragedy. I hope the appeal attempt doesn't bear any fruit.
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Post by loveslabradors on Mar 4, 2023 9:11:06 GMT
Wanting a spoiler alert for a real life news story? Lol. How incredibly strange.
I'm so relieved at the verdict. And that the sentencing happened right away. I'm sure he's lived his whole life never being held accountable for anything he's done. Yes, Murdaugh family, the rules do in fact apply to you too!
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Post by auntkelly on Mar 4, 2023 14:33:05 GMT
I’m glad the jury found him guilty. I certainly thought he was guilty.
I was surprised when I heard the juror who appeared on GMA say that the initial vote was 9 guilty, 2 not guilty, and one undecided. After just 45 minutes of actual deliberation they came to a unanimous decision of not guilty. How can you sit through a weeks long trial and go into a jury room thinking a man is not guilty and then change your mind in a mere 45 minutes?
I practiced law for twenty plus years and I recently sat on a jury myself, so I know how unpredictable jurors can be and how easily swayed some people are, but I’m still amazed that someone could change their vote that quickly. Of course they have every right to do so. If it were me, though, I’d want to sleep on it before I changed my vote, no matter how much pressure the other jurors exerted on me.
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Post by monklady123 on Mar 4, 2023 16:24:49 GMT
Verdict in the thread title. And here I was actively avoiding spoilers. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Really? wow. This is a real-life tragedy, not some TV show.
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 4, 2023 20:24:56 GMT
I’m glad the jury found him guilty. I certainly thought he was guilty. I was surprised when I heard the juror who appeared on GMA say that the initial vote was 9 guilty, 2 not guilty, and one undecided. After just 45 minutes of actual deliberation they came to a unanimous decision of not guilty. How can you sit through a weeks long trial and go into a jury room thinking a man is not guilty and then change your mind in a mere 45 minutes? I practiced law for twenty plus years and I recently sat on a jury myself, so I know how unpredictable jurors can be and how easily swayed some people are, but I’m still amazed that someone could change their vote that quickly. Of course they have every right to do so. If it were me, though, I’d want to sleep on it before I changed my vote, no matter how much pressure the other jurors exerted on me. I'm going to venture a guess that they didn't necessarily believe he was not guilty, but that it hadn't been proven "beyond a reasonable doubt." While this literally means that a reasonable explanation besides that one couldn't be determined from the presented evidence, people can get pretty creative mentally with their "Yeah, but what ifs" that they could consider reasonable. Reminding them that it's not "any possible other scenario" can remedy that pretty quickly.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 4, 2023 20:56:01 GMT
I saw the 2 consecutive life sentences. But does that mean he will have a chance of parole? (Even though I highly doubt it would ever be offered.) I am so relieved he was found guilty. No possibility of parole. The judge was so disgusted by him. Murder in SC is 30-life, day for day (no early release). At his age, he is pretty much in for life regardless; I think you are right that the judge wanted to max it out.
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 4, 2023 21:23:44 GMT
No possibility of parole. The judge was so disgusted by him. Murder in SC is 30-life, day for day (no early release). At his age, he is pretty much in for life regardless; I think you are right that the judge wanted to max it out. Not a lawyer here, I’m not sure what that means. I was just repeating what I read in the news. The corruption in the systems in that area are unbelievable. I’m not sure if he would have even been charged if journalists hadn’t been pushing the story so hard and so long. Mandy Matney sure can take things personally, but she did South Carolina a huge service keeping this story out front for so long.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 4, 2023 21:41:35 GMT
The verdict was announced yesterday and has been all over the place. This isn't a TV show. I didn't know real life had spoilers. I don't exactly live under a rock, but it's pretty easy to avoid. I find the "This isn't a TV show. I didn't know real life had spoilers" comment to be laughable. Around here the news is literally entertainment for so many Peas. They race to their keyboards to live their alter ego newscaster lives and repost incessent Twitter links etc, pretending their "coverage" is meaningful. Was it really necessary to put the verdict in the title line? That's all I'm saying. Sheesh. This was a case that involved financial fraud of so many types. Cover ups, murders, and influence. There are so many moving pieces and I have been following the Mandy Matly podcast for YEARS. I've been busy doing actual work, and got a little behind. So yes. The verdict in a story I've been following for YEARS feels like a spoiler. I wanted to listen to the lead up and the ACTUAL information presented during the trial. Even for reality TV, and TV shows, the Peas are usually more considerate about spoilers in headlines, and even within threads. Why is that too much to ask here? What's done is done, and it's whatever. It won't affect me in any meaningful way, just annoying. I just figured that if it were me posting the OP and someone (just one someone) shared what a bummer it was, I'd go back and change the title, just to be kind. But hey, you'll have to slap harder, my hand isn't stinging. It wasn't intended as a hand slap. Right back at you. My hand isn't stinging either. A few other peas agree with me. Expecting spoilers for real life seems odd.
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Post by theshyone on Mar 4, 2023 21:46:02 GMT
Murder in SC is 30-life, day for day (no early release). At his age, he is pretty much in for life regardless; I think you are right that the judge wanted to max it out. Not a lawyer here, I’m not sure what that means. I was just repeating what I read in the news. The corruption in the systems in that area are unbelievable. I’m not sure if he would have even been charged if journalists hadn’t been pushing the story so hard and so long. Mandy Matney sure can take things personally, but she did South Carolina a huge service keeping this story out front for so long. Maybe Tennessee needs her on Grant Solomons case, the priveledges, the church, the wealth, those two kids have had no protection no justice. ‘’the judge saying the monster did it while sentencing was priceless.
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Post by mikewozowski on Mar 4, 2023 21:50:52 GMT
The verdict was announced yesterday and has been all over the place. This isn't a TV show. I didn't know real life had spoilers. I don't exactly live under a rock, but it's pretty easy to avoid. I find the "This isn't a TV show. I didn't know real life had spoilers" comment to be laughable. Around here the news is literally entertainment for so many Peas. They race to their keyboards to live their alter ego newscaster lives and repost incessent Twitter links etc, pretending their "coverage" is meaningful. Was it really necessary to put the verdict in the title line? That's all I'm saying. Sheesh. This was a case that involved financial fraud of so many types. Cover ups, murders, and influence. There are so many moving pieces and I have been following the Mandy Matly podcast for YEARS. I've been busy doing actual work, and got a little behind. So yes. The verdict in a story I've been following for YEARS feels like a spoiler. I wanted to listen to the lead up and the ACTUAL information presented during the trial. Even for reality TV, and TV shows, the Peas are usually more considerate about spoilers in headlines, and even within threads. Why is that too much to ask here? What's done is done, and it's whatever. It won't affect me in any meaningful way, just annoying. I just figured that if it were me posting the OP and someone (just one someone) shared what a bummer it was, I'd go back and change the title, just to be kind. But hey, you'll have to slap harder, my hand isn't stinging. this isn't reality tv or a tv show. it's news. i don't think anyone needs to worry about "spoilers."
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Post by Zee on Mar 5, 2023 4:31:48 GMT
Soulless ginger created two more soulless gingers.
One of them still free. 🧑🦰
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Post by peasapie on Mar 5, 2023 13:20:32 GMT
Soulless ginger created two more soulless gingers. One of them still free. 🧑🦰 Maybe I missed some details. Are you saying his son is like him?
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 5, 2023 14:47:29 GMT
Soulless ginger created two more soulless gingers. One of them still free. 🧑🦰 Maybe I missed some details. Are you saying his son is like him? Buster has a reputation for hard drinking and partying. He was kicked out of law school for plagiarism and his dad paid $60,000 to someone to try and get him reinstated. There are rumors that he was involved in the killing of Stephen Smith, and although nothing has been proven, the case has been reopened for investigation since the cause of death didn’t align with the crime scene.
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Post by loveslabradors on Mar 5, 2023 14:53:15 GMT
Soulless ginger created two more soulless gingers. One of them still free. 🧑🦰 What does hair color have to do with anything? Not ok.
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Post by worrywart on Mar 5, 2023 15:34:54 GMT
This may have been mentioned already but HBO Max has a 3 part documentary called Low Country that delves into family including the boat accident. I've only watch episode one so far but it is pretty compelling.
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Post by peasapie on Mar 5, 2023 21:48:57 GMT
Maybe I missed some details. Are you saying his son is like him? Buster has a reputation for hard drinking and partying. He was kicked out of law school for plagiarism and his dad paid $60,000 to someone to try and get him reinstated. There are rumors that he was involved in the killing of Stephen Smith, and although nothing has been proven, the case has been reopened for investigation since the cause of death didn’t align with the crime scene. Thank you, maryannscraps. I didn't know anything about him.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 5, 2023 22:10:26 GMT
I wasn't able to watch much of the trial live but I've since watched of it on YouTube and I'm not at all surprised they found him guilty, there was some very compelling evidence, plus he lied about being with them close to the time they died and never had a good reason for that. If it wasn't for that video he might have got off. Last night I watched the Netflix doco, I knew about the boat accident but wow they really laid it out how bad Paul's drinking and his other behaviour was.
I also knew there was something weird about the housekeeper's death but hadn't looked up the details, and this really made it clear what happened. That whole family were awful, hopefully that older son doesn't reproduce and that branch of the family tree just dies off because it's obviously diseased.
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