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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 13, 2023 14:19:44 GMT
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 13, 2023 14:21:21 GMT
HARRIS COUNTY, Texas -- A 4-year-old girl died after she was accidentally shot by her 3-year-old sister in a Houston-area home, officials say.
The shooting happened Sunday evening at an apartment complex in northwest Harris County, according to the Harris County Sheriff's Office.
Investigators believe the two sisters were home in the apartment with five adults, including their mother and stepfather.
The adults believed at least one of them was watching the girls, when they were in fact unsupervised in a bedroom, according to Sheriff Ed Gonzalez
Somehow the 3-year-old got a hold of a loaded semi-automatic pistol and accidentally shot her 4-year-old sister.
The child was pronounced dead at the scene.
"It just seems like another tragic story of a child gaining access to a firearm and hurting someone else. This time it was a fatal shot - appears to be to her sibling," Gonzalez said.
Gonzalez urges people to ensure their guns are stored where kids cannot reach them, especially entering spring break week, when more kids will be at home.
'You've got to make sure you're a responsible gun owner. Secure your weapons in a safe place. It's got to be more than just to tell the kids not to touch the weapons," Gonzalez said.
Officials said it is not clear at this point if anyone will face charges.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 13, 2023 14:26:24 GMT
So sad. But how is it possible that nobody will face charges??
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 13, 2023 14:48:39 GMT
So sad. But how is it possible that nobody will face charges?? That is what has me scratching my head. The adults were not responsible because the gun, loaded, was left out. Is this how it will be now with the new gun laws? |
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Post by Merge on Mar 13, 2023 14:50:15 GMT
It’s Texas. This happens all the time. No one will face charges. Our lege doesn’t have the courage to put a law on the books to hold people accountable, and local law enforcement generally feels that the family has “suffered enough.”
I had an uncle I never knew because he died at the age of 14 in the 1940s when he and his brothers were cleaning a gun and it “went off.” Which doesn’t happen. But no one was held accountable.
Nothing will ever change.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 13, 2023 14:53:24 GMT
So sad. But how is it possible that nobody will face charges?? same as the 6 yr old kid in VA who shot his teacher. the kid is too young to go to jail, and its not clear if the parents will be held responsible. I'm tired and in a shitty mood due to DST/sleep issues, so I really don't feel bad for these people anymore. IMO, they can hug their cold metal gun to themselves instead of their child.  |
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Post by GiantsFan on Mar 13, 2023 15:39:42 GMT
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Post by dawnnikol on Mar 13, 2023 16:09:12 GMT
So sad. But how is it possible that nobody will face charges?? The same way guns are being stolen from vehicles and nobody is being charged. It's a fucking free for all, so long as it's gun related. |
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Post by gar on Mar 13, 2023 16:20:40 GMT
another accident waiting to happen  The poor child will have to live with what she did and try not to blame herself her whole life... |
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 13, 2023 16:22:48 GMT
I mean, it's not that weird to leave preschoolers unsupervised in their bedroom.
Unless of course they perhaps have access to a loaded gun.
I cannot imagine any circumstance where this is ok.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Mar 13, 2023 16:41:49 GMT
It's not guns, it is gun OWNERS. Would it be any more tragic if the child had stabbed their sister, gave them something poisonous, no. The parents were neglectful and put their children at risk.
I will not blame the tool used, I will always blame the person using it.
This is horrific and the parents absolutely should be charged with child endangerment. I really do not care they are suffering because their child died, they are responsible for that child's death.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 13, 2023 16:49:06 GMT
It's not guns, it is gun OWNERS. Would it be any more tragic if the child had stabbed their sister, gave them something poisonous, no. The parents were neglectful and put their children at risk. I will not blame the tool used, I will always blame the person using it. This is horrific and the parents absolutely should be charged with child endangerment. I really do not care they are suffering because their child died, they are responsible for that child's death. Of course guns can’t harm people on their own. But I think the point is that we need to address control and safety laws because people show time and time again that they aren’t responsible on their own. |
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Post by smasonnc on Mar 13, 2023 16:53:06 GMT
I am unbelievably p*$$ed about this. If someone is killed because you didn't store your gun properly, you should be liable but nobody in congress has the stones to do anything about it but wring their hands. Move over and let the moms handle it.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Mar 13, 2023 17:09:02 GMT
It's not guns, it is gun OWNERS. Would it be any more tragic if the child had stabbed their sister, gave them something poisonous, no. The parents were neglectful and put their children at risk. I will not blame the tool used, I will always blame the person using it. This is horrific and the parents absolutely should be charged with child endangerment. I really do not care they are suffering because their child died, they are responsible for that child's death. Of course guns can’t harm people on their own. But I think the point is that we need to address control and safety laws because people show time and time again that they aren’t responsible on their own. And that is why the parents are held responsible and charged with the death of their child. There is no "they have suffered enough". To bad so sad, your intentional negligence caused the death of a child. |
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Post by littlemama on Mar 13, 2023 17:13:32 GMT
It's the guns. Without easy access, a child cannot accidentally shoot someone. The chances of a child accidentally stabbing or poisoning someone are pretty small (Im basing that on rarely if ever hearing about such a case.) Gun deaths are a daily occurrence. Without access, that becones less of an issue
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 13, 2023 17:14:46 GMT
Of course guns can’t harm people on their own. But I think the point is that we need to address control and safety laws because people show time and time again that they aren’t responsible on their own. And that is why the parents are held responsible and charged with the death of their child. There is no "they have suffered enough". To bad so sad, your intentional negligence caused the death of a child. They should be held responsible, but it sounds like in some states (I want to know what the laws are in mine) those laws aren't in place at this time. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 13, 2023 17:18:02 GMT
It's not guns, it is gun OWNERS. Would it be any more tragic if the child had stabbed their sister, gave them something poisonous, no. The parents were neglectful and put their children at risk. I will not blame the tool used, I will always blame the person using it. This is horrific and the parents absolutely should be charged with child endangerment. I really do not care they are suffering because their child died, they are responsible for that child's death. So in this case you blame a 3 year old who honestly doesn't know better? If the gun was not in the home, this would not happened. How many stabbing deaths do we hear about between young siblings? Or mass stabbing deaths? Other than the one in Japan a few years ago in a center for disabled adults with the use of a samari sword... Until guns are not seen as a need and have more rights than a breathing, living human being of any age, nothing will change and people will continue to die. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 13, 2023 17:23:26 GMT
It's not guns, it is gun OWNERS. Would it be any more tragic if the child had stabbed their sister, gave them something poisonous, no. The parents were neglectful and put their children at risk. I will not blame the tool used, I will always blame the person using it. This is horrific and the parents absolutely should be charged with child endangerment. I really do not care they are suffering because their child died, they are responsible for that child's death. And until politicians develop some backbone and defy the people who don’t want any sort of regulations imposed on their gun freedumbs, this will continue to happen. Someone in that house should be facing prison time. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 13, 2023 17:39:39 GMT
It's not guns, it is gun OWNERS. Would it be any more tragic if the child had stabbed their sister, gave them something poisonous, no. The parents were neglectful and put their children at risk. I will not blame the tool used, I will always blame the person using it. This is horrific and the parents absolutely should be charged with child endangerment. I really do not care they are suffering because their child died, they are responsible for that child's death. Bullshit. Nothing kills as quickly and as easily as a gun. We don’t read every week about accidental stabbing deaths involving children. Americans have shown time and time again that they cannot be responsible with guns and this is what happens. There need to be harsh mandatory sentences in every state for people who make a gun accessible to a child. We lock people up for decades for nonviolent drug crimes, but leave a loaded weapon in your bedside table and cause the death of a child and you walk free. The difference? The gun lobby puts millions in GOP pockets and buys lenience for irresponsible gun owners everywhere. |
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Mar 13, 2023 20:38:51 GMT
It's not guns, it is gun OWNERS. Would it be any more tragic if the child had stabbed their sister, gave them something poisonous, no. The parents were neglectful and put their children at risk. I will not blame the tool used, I will always blame the person using it. This is horrific and the parents absolutely should be charged with child endangerment. I really do not care they are suffering because their child died, they are responsible for that child's death. Bullshit. Nothing kills as quickly and as easily as a gun. We don’t read every week about accidental stabbing deaths involving children. Americans have shown time and time again that they cannot be responsible with guns and this is what happens. There need to be harsh mandatory sentences in every state for people who make a gun accessible to a child. We lock people up for decades for nonviolent drug crimes, but leave a loaded weapon in your bedside table and cause the death of a child and you walk free. The difference? The gun lobby puts millions in GOP pockets and buys lenience for irresponsible gun owners everywhere. And they should not walk free. I never said that and never will. If the parents had been responsible and locked the gun and ammo up correctly, their child would still be alive. They did not. They were intentionally negligent and it cost the life of a child. Just because it was their child does not mean they should get to walk. NOPE, no way. I am not a hard core gun advocate, I am just really sick of people blaming (general people and general blame) inanimate objects for human behaviors. I remember someone blaming Facebook for their child's behavior. It is not Facebook's fault your child decided to take inappropriate pictures and send them to someone. It is not the guns fault because people are EFFING stupid and and complete A-Holes with them. There are plenty of responsible gun owners out there that never have a problem. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 13, 2023 22:45:43 GMT
Bullshit. Nothing kills as quickly and as easily as a gun. We don’t read every week about accidental stabbing deaths involving children. Americans have shown time and time again that they cannot be responsible with guns and this is what happens. There need to be harsh mandatory sentences in every state for people who make a gun accessible to a child. We lock people up for decades for nonviolent drug crimes, but leave a loaded weapon in your bedside table and cause the death of a child and you walk free. The difference? The gun lobby puts millions in GOP pockets and buys lenience for irresponsible gun owners everywhere. And they should not walk free. I never said that and never will. If the parents had been responsible and locked the gun and ammo up correctly, their child would still be alive. They did not. They were intentionally negligent and it cost the life of a child. Just because it was their child does not mean they should get to walk. NOPE, no way. I am not a hard core gun advocate, I am just really sick of people blaming (general people and general blame) inanimate objects for human behaviors. I remember someone blaming Facebook for their child's behavior. It is not Facebook's fault your child decided to take inappropriate pictures and send them to someone. It is not the guns fault because people are EFFING stupid and and complete A-Holes with them. There are plenty of responsible gun owners out there that never have a problem. Yeah, sorry, I’m pretty sick of hearing about all those “responsible gun owners” every time something like this happens. Seems everyone is a responsible gun owner until they aren’t. |
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Post by smasonnc on Mar 14, 2023 13:34:35 GMT
I remember someone blaming Facebook for their child's behavior. It is not Facebook's fault your child decided to take inappropriate pictures and send them to someone. It is not the guns fault because people are EFFING stupid and and complete A-Holes with them. There are plenty of responsible gun owners out there that never have a problem. "It's not the guns." More NRA rhetoric. You're fine with acceptible losses, metal detectors, and children getting shot accidentally. Firearms recently became the number one cause of death for children in the United States, surpassing motor vehicle deaths and those caused by other injuries. Many of the guns that are used in crimes are stolen from these "responsible gun owners" and now some presumably "law-abiding citizen" is mourning the death of their child. BTW, Facebook doesn't commit mass shootings. Bad analogy. |
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Post by pinklady on Mar 14, 2023 13:49:06 GMT
It's not guns, it is gun OWNERS. Would it be any more tragic if the child had stabbed their sister, gave them something poisonous, no. The parents were neglectful and put their children at risk. I will not blame the tool used, I will always blame the person using it. This is horrific and the parents absolutely should be charged with child endangerment. I really do not care they are suffering because their child died, they are responsible for that child's death. This is utter bullshit! IT’S THE FUCKING GUNS! Anyone that thinks different is a clueless moron. Your own example proves IT’S THE GUNS. Knives are abundant in EVERY home and how many are used in mass murders every year? Zero, why IT’S THE FUCKING GUNS! |
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Post by Just T on Mar 14, 2023 13:51:20 GMT
It's not guns, it is gun OWNERS. Would it be any more tragic if the child had stabbed their sister, gave them something poisonous, no. The parents were neglectful and put their children at risk. I will not blame the tool used, I will always blame the person using it. This is horrific and the parents absolutely should be charged with child endangerment. I really do not care they are suffering because their child died, they are responsible for that child's death. This is utter bullshit! IT’S THE FUCKING GUNS! Anyone that thinks different is a clueless moron. Your own example proves IT’S THE GUNS. Knives are abundant in EVERY home and how many are used in mass murders every year? Zero, why IT’S THE FUCKING GUNS! And how many four year olds accidentally stab their three year old sibling to death? I don't think I've ever heard of that one happening. It's amazing to many how many "responsible" gun owners there are out there. |
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Mar 14, 2023 14:13:40 GMT
And they should not walk free. I never said that and never will. If the parents had been responsible and locked the gun and ammo up correctly, their child would still be alive. They did not. They were intentionally negligent and it cost the life of a child. Just because it was their child does not mean they should get to walk. NOPE, no way. I am not a hard core gun advocate, I am just really sick of people blaming (general people and general blame) inanimate objects for human behaviors. I remember someone blaming Facebook for their child's behavior. It is not Facebook's fault your child decided to take inappropriate pictures and send them to someone. It is not the guns fault because people are EFFING stupid and and complete A-Holes with them. There are plenty of responsible gun owners out there that never have a problem. Yeah, sorry, I’m pretty sick of hearing about all those “responsible gun owners” every time something like this happens. Seems everyone is a responsible gun owner until they aren’t. Responsible gun owners generally do not have these problems, irresponsible gun owners do. Maybe the headline should read - "Irresponsible Gun Owner Responsible for Their Own Child's Death" Maybe it is just semantics, but I want the people blamed for this action, not the gun. |
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Post by smasonnc on Mar 14, 2023 15:09:08 GMT
Responsible gun owners generally do not have these problems, irresponsible gun owners do. Maybe the headline should read - "Irresponsible Gun Owner Responsible for Their Own Child's Death" Maybe it is just semantics, but I want the people blamed for this action, not the gun. So you're doubling down on this nonsense? As long as we're talking semantics, it's the lax gun laws and insane availability of guns in our country, not the actual guns. Yes, people should be blamed, and those people are the "pry my cold, dead fingers off my gun" types, the spineless legislators who kiss their feet to get elected, and those who try to justify it all by saying "don't blame guns". |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 14, 2023 15:15:56 GMT
Yeah, sorry, I’m pretty sick of hearing about all those “responsible gun owners” every time something like this happens. Seems everyone is a responsible gun owner until they aren’t. Responsible gun owners generally do not have these problems, irresponsible gun owners do. Maybe the headline should read - "Irresponsible Gun Owner Responsible for Their Own Child's Death" Maybe it is just semantics, but I want the people blamed for this action, not the gun. I think it is semantics. You are taking the statement "It's the guns" very literally. Maybe it is helpful to think of "gun control" laws as laws that help to manage the people who own the guns. That could mean that the type of gun allowed is restricted, or that people need to have their guns registered, or that there are laws regarding gun storage (by the people who own them). But either way you look at it, it people's access to and the use of guns that are causing so many senseless deaths in our country. Usually when people say "it's not the guns" they mean that it is something other than gun control issues that is causing shootings. That could be mental health, Democratic politicians that people blame for crime (although they aren't the ones doing the crime, are they?), and so on. Saying "It's the guns!" means that we need to address all of the issues that surround gun use and access. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 14, 2023 15:49:36 GMT
The reason why there are so many mass shootings in schools, churches, grocery stores, clubs, movie theaters, concerts etc in the US and very few in other developed countries? Very simple - it’s the GUNS. The reason why gun violence is the number one leading cause of death in children. Very simple - it’s the GUNS. Nothing is going to change until we get serious about the proliferation of guns in this country and enact gun safety laws.
And I’m really tired of hearing about responsible gun owners. Responsible gun owners who legally purchase guns and safely secure and store their guns and ammunition separately should support gun safety laws. Responsible gun owners should care more about the safety of children in schools more than unrestricted 2nd amendment rights. My dad who is a hunter and genuinely a responsible gun owner does not belong to the NRA and he supports gun safety laws. He also does not own any semi assault weapons or assault weapons. I know there are responsible gun owners out there. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s the guns.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 14, 2023 17:39:21 GMT
It is ridiculous no one will be charged. Just read an article about a school district that is paying family 1 million for child death. Child ate granola bar given to them by teacher. Child had allergic reaction and died. Gun owners leaves a deadly weapon unsecured and are not charged. I know it is apples to oranges. But this law needs to change. Charges need to be filed.
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Post by sideways on Mar 14, 2023 19:06:10 GMT
It's not guns, it is gun OWNERS. Would it be any more tragic if the child had stabbed their sister, gave them something poisonous, no. The parents were neglectful and put their children at risk. I will not blame the tool used, I will always blame the person using it. This is horrific and the parents absolutely should be charged with child endangerment. I really do not care they are suffering because their child died, they are responsible for that child's death. It is the guns. What else is so lethal so quickly? A knife certainly isn’t and neither is poison. Not to mention the other differences, like one child being willing to ingest said poison. Apples and oranges. I’m so sick of the “guns don’t kill people” bullshit. |
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The poor child will have to live with what she did and try not to blame herself her whole life...
