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Post by mcjunkin on Mar 30, 2023 21:58:22 GMT
Okay. It got here today. I wanted so badly to LOVE it, but........steep learning curve on how to hold that blade carriage......
I have used a Fiskars Procision for several years now. My complaints with it, and why I was searching for a new trimmer: No 6" mark, and crooked 5 1/2" mark. Bulky to move around even when folded. Getting tight to slide blade carriage on the two rails at the top of the trimmer. And it is ugly. LOL.
First impression after cutting all the scraps in my craft room with the TH one:
Love the 5 1/2 and 6 " marks. LOVE LOVE LOVE the grid etched into the platform, just like his guillotine trimmers.
Get decent enough measurements with the fold out arms, though I do not anticipate using them often. I don't cut larger cuts. If I did, I would not buy this trimmer. Not a fan of arms. But there are easy to fold in and out.
Less bulky than the other one, although weighs about the same. (kinda shocked about that) Still just about as wide as the folded Procision. It is not as petite as it looks.
When it cuts clean, it cuts CLEAN. Will cut all the materials they say it will. (Although so would the Procision, even the chipboard. And my cuts with it are always clean.) Probably cuts more materials than the lower priced rotary trimmers.
There is a trick to putting pressure just right on that blade and making it lean against the metal edge underneath. When you don't, UGLY UGLY cuts.
This will take some time to get used to, as I have to hold the blade totally different. Slighty aggravating. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr. When it's right, it is right. When it is wrong, it is so OBVIOUSLY WRONG.
Also with the blade, mine will not slide freely down the rail as it does in Tim's video. It hangs up on the plastic paper holder thingy. Still slides and cuts, but scrapes or something. Almost as if it is placed wrong. But I think the plastic is just too new and stiff and high. And when I put pressure on the blade carriage to make it "lean" the right way, it hits the screw heads that hold the clear guide in place. Like to the point of scraping the carriage. So I am not getting the SMOOTH movement of the carriage sliding freely that is in the videos. But, if I am not mistaken, TH says he has been using his a year or so, and I can see how that might make a difference. Wear and use should loosen up some of the stiffness. Jen M's is looser than mine, too , but not as loose as his, and mine was already feeling a little less stiff after playing with it for a while, so we'll see.....
Speaking of the plastic guide...it is spring loaded. It does not flip up and down. Which is very very different. But I think I am going to like that. Easy to slide material under without having to worry about lifting it. I have to always press it down at the moment to make the blade not hang up, but in videos of others using theirs, they do not, so as I use it more and more, I think it will not be as stiff and will lay down a little more on its own. It will come off by unscrewing the screws, meaning you can get very close to the blade and make thin cuts. I will not be doing that, as I will cut my finger off, although less of the blade on this one is exposed as opposed to some of the older ones. I can cut a strip a little less that 3/4" to the left of the blade, still able to hold it down with the guard, as the blade carriage does not stick out as far to the left as my other one, but I have to wiggle it under to guard to get it into place.
I can look down at the cutting edge to help line up my cut if need be.
I do seem to get a little more accurate cuts on this one.
As others have said, the 6.5" mark is missing. It is a fixed rail, meaning no cutting in the middle of the paper.
Supposedly the blade will not need to be changed, but the carriage can be replaced ($15 I think). Cost is higher than just a blade because of the gears inside. But I am comforted by the fact that there is a replacement. The Procision to my knowledge is not replaceable. Which it still cuts just fine after several years.
Will I keep it? Will I like it? I think so, once I get the hang of that darned blade, and the plastic guide relaxes a little bit. I am not as giddy about it as I had hoped. And I don't get the hype about all the material it will cut. As I said, the Procision will too. Although I think it was more expensive than the TH one when I bought it. Kinda glad I did not pay the full price for the TH one.
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Post by tinksmommy on Mar 31, 2023 2:45:05 GMT
Get decent enough measurements with the fold out arms, though I do not anticipate using them often. I don't cut larger cuts. If I did, I would not buy this trimmer. Not a fan of arms. But there are easy to fold in and out. ^^^ this is what I really wanted to know. I scrap 12x12 and those arms were a deciding factor in whether or not to get the TH trimmer. Thanks for your feedback!! You saved me $100. I’ll just stick with my Procision and my other 10+ trimmers. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 31, 2023 3:18:06 GMT
Okay. It got here today. I wanted so badly to LOVE it, but........steep learning curve on how to hold that blade carriage...... I have used a Fiskars Procision for several years now. My complaints with it, and why I was searching for a new trimmer: No 6" mark, and crooked 5 1/2" mark. Bulky to move around even when folded. Getting tight to slide blade carriage on the two rails at the top of the trimmer. And it is ugly. LOL. First impression after cutting all the scraps in my craft room with the TH one: Love the 5 1/2 and 6 " marks. LOVE LOVE LOVE the grid etched into the platform, just like his guillotine trimmers. Get decent enough measurements with the fold out arms, though I do not anticipate using them often. I don't cut larger cuts. If I did, I would not buy this trimmer. Not a fan of arms. But there are easy to fold in and out. Less bulky than the other one, although weighs about the same. (kinda shocked about that) Still just about as wide as the folded Procision. It is not as petite as it looks. When it cuts clean, it cuts CLEAN. Will cut all the materials they say it will. (Although so would the Procision, even the chipboard. And my cuts with it are always clean.) Probably cuts more materials than the lower priced rotary trimmers. There is a trick to putting pressure just right on that blade and making it lean against the metal edge underneath. When you don't, UGLY UGLY cuts. This will take some time to get used to, as I have to hold the blade totally different. Slighty aggravating. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr. When it's right, it is right. When it is wrong, it is so OBVIOUSLY WRONG. Watching some more videos, it seems like people have to engage the blade and they do that by pushing in then pushing to roll between the sides to cut. I find that to be rather interesting because you'd think you would just need to roll back and forth. So just wanted to offer that as advice in case you havent tried that yet. |
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Post by mcjunkin on Mar 31, 2023 12:58:02 GMT
Watching some more videos, it seems like people have to engage the blade and they do that by pushing in then pushing to roll between the sides to cut. I find that to be rather interesting because you'd think you would just need to roll back and forth. So just wanted to offer that as advice in case you havent tried that yet. Thanks. I watched a couple yesterday, and evidently still need to watch some more. LOL. It is hard to describe what it takes, and I'm not even sure I have figured it out yet. But there is a definite trick to it. Cause it's either really good or really bad. No in between. It is a totally different feel than my old one, that's for sure. Takes less pressure to push, but totally different grip. |
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Post by mcjunkin on Mar 31, 2023 13:03:50 GMT
Get decent enough measurements with the fold out arms, though I do not anticipate using them often. I don't cut larger cuts. If I did, I would not buy this trimmer. Not a fan of arms. But there are easy to fold in and out. ^^^ this is what I really wanted to know. I scrap 12x12 and those arms were a deciding factor in whether or not to get the TH trimmer. Thanks for your feedback!! You saved me $100. I’ll just stick with my Procision and my other 10+ trimmers. Most definitely. I think I had forgotten how good of a cutter the Procision actually is (and how much I had paid for it!). When I bought it I was still cutting the larger cuts. Nowadays I very rarely ever fold the platform out. I just curse and eyeball my 6" cuts. hahahahaha The Tim Holtz is better than the lighter duty rotaries, but very similar to the workhorse Procision. The arms are not bad on this new one. I just hate arms, but not an issue for what I will use it for. |
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Post by FurryP on Mar 31, 2023 23:03:02 GMT
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Post by caangel on Apr 1, 2023 18:27:14 GMT
^^^ this is what I really wanted to know. I scrap 12x12 and those arms were a deciding factor in whether or not to get the TH trimmer. Thanks for your feedback!! You saved me $100. I’ll just stick with my Procision and my other 10+ trimmers. Most definitely. I think I had forgotten how good of a cutter the Procision actually is (and how much I had paid for it!). When I bought it I was still cutting the larger cuts. Nowadays I very rarely ever fold the platform out. I just curse and eyeball my 6" cuts. hahahahaha The Tim Holtz is better than the lighter duty rotaries, but very similar to the workhorse Procision. The arms are not bad on this new one. I just hate arms, but not an issue for what I will use it for. If you had neither which one would you recommend? |
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Post by retrofunscrapper on Apr 1, 2023 21:00:53 GMT
Finally got to try mine out, at least for a few minutes. So far, I love it. No pain in my hand or wrist, perfectly straight cuts, and man, they are clean.
For reference, so far I only used Neenah 110# cover weight (the really hefty quality base cardstock, not index, etc). I only had a minute to make a quick card that had to be sent out, so I cut my card base and then speedily sliced a few smaller pieces and strips like 2”, some half-inch and quarter-inch slivers, etc. Examined the edges & compared ends before making my card, and —grain of salt, due to quick session— this is the straightest I’ve been able to consistently cut yet, including slides, guillotines, and other rotaries.
I need to do more testing, though. Gotta cut some designer scrapbook papers (way different thickness from the Neenah, and typical to the other papers I’ll be cutting most) to see if it cuts just as clean, and as silly as this may sound, I am literally going to *try* to make it cut roughly/badly. I watched so many videos ahead of time that I wonder if I lucked into the right grip straight away, and if I can isolate what the “wrong” method is, maybe that could help some people.
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 2, 2023 0:50:46 GMT
If any of the new TH rotary trimmer owners have some slippery paper they could cut, I would greatly appreciate a trial. I have watched a few videos and it seems shinny thin paper, specialty papers, and acetate do not trim nicely or shift some.
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Post by mcjunkin on Apr 2, 2023 1:58:21 GMT
Most definitely. I think I had forgotten how good of a cutter the Procision actually is (and how much I had paid for it!). When I bought it I was still cutting the larger cuts. Nowadays I very rarely ever fold the platform out. I just curse and eyeball my 6" cuts. hahahahaha The Tim Holtz is better than the lighter duty rotaries, but very similar to the workhorse Procision. The arms are not bad on this new one. I just hate arms, but not an issue for what I will use it for. If you had neither which one would you recommend? hmmmmmmm....depends on what I would want it for. For me it comes down to the sizes of paper I am cutting the most of. They seem like equal trimmers in most other aspects to me. Blade carriage learning curve notwithstanding. If I were scrapbooking with the 12 x 12 paper still, I would go with the Procision for the full platform, no question. That would outweigh the missing 6” mark. For cardmaking, meaning smaller cuts for me, I would pick Tim Holtz, for the 6” mark, clear 5.5”mark, and the grid. |
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Post by mcjunkin on Apr 2, 2023 2:00:19 GMT
If any of the new TH rotary trimmer owners have some slippery paper they could cut, I would greatly appreciate a trial. I have watched a few videos and it seems shinny thin paper, specialty papers, and acetate do not trim nicely or shift some. I will try some tomorrow afternoon. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 2, 2023 2:06:03 GMT
If any of the new TH rotary trimmer owners have some slippery paper they could cut, I would greatly appreciate a trial. I have watched a few videos and it seems shinny thin paper, specialty papers, and acetate do not trim nicely or shift some. I will try some tomorrow afternoon. Thank you! |
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Post by marg on Apr 2, 2023 12:23:54 GMT
If you had neither which one would you recommend? hmmmmmmm....depends on what I would want it for. For me it comes down to the sizes of paper I am cutting the most of. They seem like equal trimmers in most other aspects to me. Blade carriage learning curve notwithstanding. If I were scrapbooking with the 12 x 12 paper still, I would go with the Procision for the full platform, no question. That would outweigh the missing 6” mark. For cardmaking, meaning smaller cuts for me, I would pick Tim Holtz, for the 6” mark, clear 5.5”mark, and the grid. I didn't even know Fiskars made a rotary trimmer and now I'm watching YouTube videos about it. I had decided to get the Tim Holtz one but the Procision full platform is really nice. I have some thinking to do. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 2, 2023 12:50:46 GMT
hmmmmmmm....depends on what I would want it for. For me it comes down to the sizes of paper I am cutting the most of. They seem like equal trimmers in most other aspects to me. Blade carriage learning curve notwithstanding. If I were scrapbooking with the 12 x 12 paper still, I would go with the Procision for the full platform, no question. That would outweigh the missing 6” mark. For cardmaking, meaning smaller cuts for me, I would pick Tim Holtz, for the 6” mark, clear 5.5”mark, and the grid. I didn't even know Fishers made a rotary trimmer and now I'm watching YouTube videos about it. I had decided to get the Tim Holtz one but the Procision full platform is really nice. I have some thinking to do. I have the fiskars one. While the 6" is in the platform crease, I just make a mark using a ruler and pencil at the top and bottom of the paper and line that up at the cutting area. That is the only reason I am eyeing the TH version. Things I like about the Fiskars: Solid, not thin, doesnt wobble or feel light. Folds in half. Full 12" when open with full base to lay paper or cardboard/chipboard. Clear lip folds up to make small cuts and is used to hold paper in place. And from photos/videos it seems to have more length on the opposite side of the cutting blade than the TH. The Fiskars has about 3". I can't tell if TH has the same. Straight edge, not curved like the TH. No swing out arms. Not a fan of those and on previous Fiskars that had them, they got loose after awhile and were not accurate. The only thing that makes me think about the TH is the 6" mark and it being lighter. |
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Post by marg on Apr 2, 2023 13:06:38 GMT
pantsonfire - the main selling points for me with the TH one are that's it's lighter, and that the blade/cartridge can be replaced were I to somehow damage it. The main con for the Fiskars one for me is that the gap where the fold is is so large. That would annoy me. If I use a coupon at Michael's for the Procision its the same price as the TH one at full price - this is in Canada, at least. I can't decide, I'll have to think about it some more.
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 2, 2023 13:14:33 GMT
pantsonfire - the main selling points for me with the TH one are that's it's lighter, and that the blade/cartridge can be replaced were I to somehow damage it. The main con for the Fiskars one for me is that the gap where the fold is is so large. That would annoy me. If I use a coupon at Michael's for the Procision its the same price as the TH one at full price - this is in Canada, at least. I can't decide, I'll have to think about it some more. The TH also seems to require less pressure to move making it more friendly for those with hand/wrist problems. For now my hEDS does not affect my hands or wrists (just fingers) but I may need a friendlier system at some point |
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Post by mcjunkin on Apr 2, 2023 14:25:48 GMT
pantsonfire I had some time to play this morning. standard office supply sheet protectors (I cut these down for projects and stamp pockets): Tim Holtz trimmer chewed them up. I think I got like one decent cut. No go. Procision cuts them pretty good. Mess up about every fourth or fifth one. Parchment paper: Tim Holtz same thing. Chewed it up and would not even make a cut a lot of them time. Like butter on Procision. I had some plastic strips left over from something I laminated and trimmed: Tim Holtz cut, but roughly. Procision cuts it perfectly. Hero Arts Acetate: Tim Holtz cut it. Sometimes good, sometimes rough. About 50/50 for me. Procision good every time. So yep, some issues there. You are correct that it requires less pressure. Def more ergonomic. One of the issues I am haven with old trimmer is it is getting harder to slide along rail. I have waxed it or oiled the rails before and that helped for a while. But I have had it for YEARS. Also, on the right side of the blade, you only get about 1 1/4". marg There is a gap on the fold out arm of the Tim Holtz as well. 6 1/4 is marked, then nothing till about 6 5/8. So no 6 1/2 mark.
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Post by scrappermcg on Apr 2, 2023 19:46:41 GMT
mcjunkin I wonder if you got a defective one. I've had my trimmer for two weeks and have had no issues with cutting. I've cut sheet protectors, storage sleeves, magnets, and cardstock and all have been clean cuts. I haven't been real careful about how I hold the blade and have been getting straight cuts. The one thing I will say is it's hard to see when you need to cut a sliver; I think it's the black background. I do wish the plastic guard wasn't so wide. Overall I'm happy with the cutter for basic cutting. I don't see myself giving up my RotaTrim or guillotine cutters.
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Post by mcjunkin on Apr 2, 2023 19:50:54 GMT
mcjunkin I wonder if you got a defective one. I've had my trimmer for two weeks and have had no issues with cutting. I've cut sheet protectors, storage sleeves, magnets, and cardstock and all have been clean cuts. I haven't been real careful about how I hold the blade and have been getting straight cuts. The one thing I will say is it's hard to see when you need to cut a sliver; I think it's the black background. I do wish the plastic guard wasn't so wide. Overall I'm happy with the cutter for basic cutting. I don't see myself giving up my RotaTrim or guillotine cutters. Hmmmmmmmmm....... Interesting. I chalked the bad cardstock cuts up on user error, and that has improved as I have played more with it. But the thin stuff this morning has been a train wreck. Which is OK, as I will use the other one for those. |
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Post by craftgranny on Apr 3, 2023 14:09:19 GMT
There is a video that Tim did which is helpful. He also gave some quick tips about how to use it last week on the Easter Video-when the paper is up top-slide the cutter up and not down and if the paper is down in the corner- slide the carriage down not up. Plus he showed how to hold the carriage. You don't lay your hand on it, you grip it on the sides. Watch the Easter Video for the tips. Super helpful! The video is time stamped too! I tried it and it worked great! It cuts through heavy duty paper with over 300 gsm and chip board too. I had to trim a card base that was 130 pound and 300 gsm and I got a clean 1/8 inch cut! So like anything, you gotta watch or read the directions.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 3, 2023 20:12:52 GMT
I loaned out my Fishers Precision to a friend two years ago and kind of forgot about it. She got it back to me two weeks ago and I was trying to decide if it should just go to Goodwill since I kind of forgot I owned it. It is going for over $100 online. Now I am thinking I need to keep it and learn to use it again. I have more space than I used to and a good place to store it.
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Post by mcjunkin on Apr 4, 2023 12:47:40 GMT
I loaned out my Fishers Precision to a friend two years ago and kind of forgot about it. She got it back to me two weeks ago and I was trying to decide if it should just go to Goodwill since I kind of forgot I owned it. It is going for over $100 online. Now I am thinking I need to keep it and learn to use it again. I have more space than I used to and a good place to store it. Yes I would def keep it!! I am not getting rid of mine either. Just removing it from real estate in the current work space. If I remember correctly it was over $100 new. I think I used a coupon on it at Joann. It is a workhorse for sure and will cut just about anything. |
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Post by craftgranny on Apr 4, 2023 13:30:05 GMT
pantsonfire I had some time to play this morning. standard office supply sheet protectors (I cut these down for projects and stamp pockets): Tim Holtz trimmer chewed them up. I think I got like one decent cut. No go. Procision cuts them pretty good. Mess up about every fourth or fifth one. Parchment paper: Tim Holtz same thing. Chewed it up and would not even make a cut a lot of them time. Like butter on Procision. I had some plastic strips left over from something I laminated and trimmed: Tim Holtz cut, but roughly. Procision cuts it perfectly. Hero Arts Acetate: Tim Holtz cut it. Sometimes good, sometimes rough. About 50/50 for me. Procision good every time. So yep, some issues there. You are correct that it requires less pressure. Def more ergonomic. One of the issues I am haven with old trimmer is it is getting harder to slide along rail. I have waxed it or oiled the rails before and that helped for a while. But I have had it for YEARS. Also, on the right side of the blade, you only get about 1 1/4". marg There is a gap on the fold out arm of the Tim Holtz as well. 6 1/4 is marked, then nothing till about 6 5/8. So no 6 1/2 mark. the 6 1/2 mark is at the end of the trimmer. I cut and measured it. I wish that Tonic had put that 6 1/2 mark on it but I just marked it with a sharpie. I agree with scrappermcg that you may have defective trimmer. Contact Tonic directly because they have excellent customer service! I had some TH scissors become dull, I just wanted to know how to sharpen, they sent me a new pair! But make sure that you do watch the video on the tips how to use. I have cut everything and have had no issues. Good Luck! |
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 4, 2023 20:00:23 GMT
I loaned out my Fishers Precision to a friend two years ago and kind of forgot about it. She got it back to me two weeks ago and I was trying to decide if it should just go to Goodwill since I kind of forgot I owned it. It is going for over $100 online. Now I am thinking I need to keep it and learn to use it again. I have more space than I used to and a good place to store it. Yes I would def keep it!! I am not getting rid of mine either. Just removing it from real estate in the current work space. If I remember correctly it was over $100 new. I think I used a coupon on it at Joann. It is a workhorse for sure and will cut just about anything. It is a nice paper cutter, but I think it was just so bulky. I also have a Carl paper cutter and it is awesome if you need to make up to a dozen cuts at the same time. I always just keep going back to my Fiskars for size and ease. I remember buying my Fiskars Procision years ago with a 50% off at Michaels. I am laughing at my name of the cutter in what you quoted. I need to proofread. It sounds like a toddler paper cutter. |
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Post by pantsonfire on May 18, 2023 4:26:31 GMT
Bump for a pea to see review info.
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Post by bingaling on May 18, 2023 17:08:34 GMT
When it first came out it was showing up in card making channels I sub to on YT. I was interested but card makers tend to cut based on measurements and not visually - think cutting apart a sheet with 3x4s on it. I also wasn't thrilled with the price even on sale. We all know anyone gushing about something at release more than likely got it for free or is pushing sales commissions, and no hate on that game at all. It just makes it harder to figure out if it's a good buy personally.
My MIL ended up buying it, trying it and hating it - so I got one for free. I will say it's much lighter than I was expecting for the price point. It takes a little ducking of the head to see the blade edge to line up a visual cut but so far it's working great. I won't be doing a dedicated video reviewing it, but I have been using it in recent videos for anyone wanting to see real life (hot mess express) scrapper using it.
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Post by mcjunkin on May 18, 2023 17:25:49 GMT
I will come back in and say that I have overcome the learning curve and really really like mine. I am glad I purchased it.
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Post by papersilly on May 18, 2023 17:44:27 GMT
Bump for a pea to see review info. thank you for bumping this thread. i have had it sitting in my Joann basket for the past few days. i've been looking for the price drop on it and when it finally came around, i had to weigh the other pros and cons. i have been using the Fiskars Procision and have been pretty happy with it having come from using the Making Memories Rotary Trimmer. i guess i just got sucked into the newest rotary trimmer on the market. TH is a pretty good salesman. LOL |
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Post by FurryP on May 19, 2023 1:28:59 GMT
Update 05/19/2023: Code does not appear to be working anymore. Neither does the 50%. Usually the coupons don't work on the "designer" stuff, so they probably caught on and changed it.
For anyone interested: 05/18/2023
At Joann $59.99
5/18/2023. SPRING40. good until Sun May 21st.
The 40% coupon works on this trimmer today and $10 shipping discount. The shipping was $11.95 for me, but I read that there is a $1.95 "handling fee" somewhere on the site. So 1.95 shippping. But it was the same when they advertised "free" shipping.
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Post by sunnydelight on May 27, 2023 0:42:10 GMT
I purchased one a few months ago to replace my Tonic TH guillotine trimmer. I have to say I am not impressed with it. I have been scrapbooking and card making over 30 years and this trimmer doesn’t do it for me. I am not sure why so much hype over it. It does not cut clean at all. I am quite disappointed to say the least and ended up on a mission to find a better option.
I recently attended a Stamp & Scrapbook expo and purchased a CutterPillar paper trimmer with light and I absolutely love it! The cuts are very clean and I probably won’t ever have to replace the blade. They told me it’s quite rare. I ended up getting a glow pad too with a self healing mat. Excited about doing some fussy cutting or ruler cutting! I talked to several people at the show who had the same cutter and raved about it! I also visited the booth several times and played with the trimmer before I bought it. From now on I won’t allow myself to get sucked into believing product reviews without trying them before I buy.
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