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Post by onelasttime on Apr 7, 2023 17:14:33 GMT
😀. Good.
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Post by birukitty on Apr 7, 2023 19:38:29 GMT
I am in shock that this has happened. I am in shock that this is legal in 2023! What the hell is going on in this country?
How can this even be legal? I know it's happened, but I'm still in shock. These two men did nothing, but be part of a peaceful demonstration. They were exercising their legal right to protest.
I hope they will be able to fight this legally in a court of law.
I swear each day something else happens in this country and it seems more and more like Nazi Germany in the 30's. I've read about Germany during WWII for 44 years due to my background (my Mom was born in Germany in 1939) and it's scary the similarities I'm seeing these days.
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 7, 2023 20:09:56 GMT
I am in shock that this has happened. I am in shock that this is legal in 2023! What the hell is going on in this country? How can this even be legal? I know it's happened, but I'm still in shock. These two men did nothing, but be part of a peaceful demonstration. They were exercising their legal right to protest. I hope they will be able to fight this legally in a court of law. I swear each day something else happens in this country and it seems more and more like Nazi Germany in the 30's. I've read about Germany during WWII for 44 years due to my background (my Mom was born in Germany in 1939) and it's scary the similarities I'm seeing these days. A list of the similarities between TFG & Hitler would only make you feel worse. Authoritarians always follow a similar playbook.
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Post by Country Ham on Apr 7, 2023 20:26:21 GMT
Section of the Tennessee Constitution allowing legislators to join constituients' protests.. Carol made the Peas!! I voted for her but she lost big time. Her husband fixes our cars LOL.. it's a small world after all...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 7, 2023 20:31:12 GMT
She has a very large audience here hopefully!!!
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Post by FurryP on Apr 7, 2023 23:24:51 GMT
Carol made the Peas!! I voted for her but she lost big time. Her husband fixes our cars LOL.. it's a small world after all... I'm a little slow. Who is Carol and how is she related to the Peas? Thank you.
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 7, 2023 23:44:01 GMT
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Post by RosieKat on Apr 8, 2023 1:23:41 GMT
Did all three do the same thing? Maybe she did less than the men did? I read that she did not actually speak, but only stood in solidarity. So she broke decorum, but not as badly. Of course, we all know that's just a BS excuse. As for how it's legal, there is a portion of the TN Constitution that does allow removal, and states are granted a whole lot of leeway in how they run their legislatures. There are ways the federal government can get involved (I believe mostly on discrimination/racism angles but I don't recall specifically) but then we have to ask...to we want to set the possible larger precedent of the feds "running" the states? What happens if Trump or similarly morally upstanding people then become the feds? It just seems like a no-win situation either way.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 8, 2023 1:27:28 GMT
Carol made the Peas!! I voted for her but she lost big time. Her husband fixes our cars LOL.. it's a small world after all... I'm a little slow. Who is Carol and how is she related to the Peas? Thank you. I think it means Country Ham knows Carol who posted that tweet that I posted. Not everyone gets recognized by the peas ... So like Carol is now 'famous' and has appeared here .
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 8, 2023 3:25:41 GMT
The Tennessee GOP moves forward, no make that backward!! We are 'just beginning,' Tennessee GOP boasts in fundraiser after expelling DemocratsKenny Stancil, Common Dreams April 07, 2023 The Tennessee Republican Party waited less than 24 hours to start fundraising off the expulsion of two progressive lawmakers from the state House—openly bragging Friday about what critics have called a blatantly anti-democratic move that shows the party's growing authoritarianism. *** In a Friday fundraising email, the Tennessee GOP said: "Their adolescence and immature behavior brought dishonor to the Tennessee General Assembly as they admitted to knowingly breaking the rules. Actions have consequences, and we applaud House Republicans for having the conviction to protect the rules, the laws, and the prestige of the State of Tennessee." Our fight is just beginning," the email concludes.*** While Republicans have focused on gerrymandering and voter suppression as the primary prongs of their assault on democracy (as well as the occasional insurrection attempt)," he noted, "the willingness to expel democratically elected Democrats for minor-verging-on-made-up infractions portends a terrifying new development." In a Friday statement, Public Citizen president Robert Weissman condemned Tennessee House Republicans for "summarily ending" the current terms of Jones and Pearson and "depriving their constituents of duly elected representation." "This was a racist and disproportionate act of retaliation against legislators who had joined demonstrators chanting in the chamber, in protest of Republican refusal to adopt commonsense gun control measures in the wake of the March 27 school shooting in Nashville," said Weissman, who called Tennessee Republicans' move "flagrantly anti-democratic." "American democracy is in a profound crisis... What just happened in Tennessee is yet another reminder of the perilous state of our country." "In modern American history, expulsion of state legislators is very rare—not just in Tennessee but throughout the United States, and rightfully so. Legislators should expel elected officials only in extreme circumstances, not over policy differences or impingements on decorum," he continued. "Legislative supermajorities already have enormous power; when they wield that power to strip away even the offices of the minority, they are treading on very dangerous ground." www.rawstory.com/tennessee-gop/
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 8, 2023 13:46:06 GMT
Holy hell. This woman has been given a platform upon which to spout her batshit crazy ideas. 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
And don’t fool yourself into thinking that she is alone in this. I sound like a broken radio, but I am gonna say it again: These folks will not be happy until they run this country the way that THEY see fit. They do not care if we disagree with them. They are determined to be in power at any cost.
Here is a case in point. Recall the federal judge in Texas who ruled to reverse the FDA’s approval of miphepristone, one of the abortion pills. He actually said this:
No, there is NOT a national public policy against abortion, except in the fevered dreams of conservatives. This judge is a member of the Federalist Society, and has long-standing ties to anti-abortion groups. His views are well-known. That’s why this case was heard by him. Conservatives went judge-shopping.
So it is their way, or the highway..
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Post by birukitty on Apr 8, 2023 18:05:38 GMT
Did all three do the same thing? Maybe she did less than the men did? I read that she did not actually speak, but only stood in solidarity. So she broke decorum, but not as badly. Of course, we all know that's just a BS excuse. As for how it's legal, there is a portion of the TN Constitution that does allow removal, and states are granted a whole lot of leeway in how they run their legislatures. There are ways the federal government can get involved (I believe mostly on discrimination/racism angles but I don't recall specifically) but then we have to ask...to we want to set the possible larger precedent of the feds "running" the states? What happens if Trump or similarly morally upstanding people then become the feds? It just seems like a no-win situation either way. I watched some of the videos on Twitter of one of the removed men speaking during the hearing and he was talking of others and what they'd done without being removed. One had been an admitted child molester and he hadn't been removed. One had urinated in another's chair in that same building and he hadn't been removed. One was convicted of domestic violence and he hadn't been removed. And yet these two men who done nothing but exercise their constitutional rights by attending a peaceful protest have ended up both being removed and the white woman who was with them was not. I think it's because of their race. I'd love to see the ACLU get involved and somehow either sue or bring this to court. It's 2023, not 1953!
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 8, 2023 22:05:50 GMT
Let’s see what would I rather see? Disrupting because the lawmakers aren’t doing their job or kids being slaughtered in schools?
No matter how they try and spin the events this week in Tennessee, they got a huge black eye.
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 8, 2023 22:08:34 GMT
It’s clear the right has a new favorite word. Indoctrination.
What a useless piece of garbage.
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Post by Country Ham on Apr 8, 2023 23:11:27 GMT
I'm a little slow. Who is Carol and how is she related to the Peas? Thank you. I think it means Country Ham knows Carol who posted that tweet that I posted. Not everyone gets recognized by the peas ... So like Carol is now 'famous' and has appeared here . That's it. To see a local small town politician (who is a democrat so will never win around here) have her tweet shared on the Peas made her a little note worthy to me.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 8, 2023 23:51:34 GMT
The Republican response to Gen Z is unimaginable. When they turn out in record numbers, conservatives suggest raising the voting age, stricter voter IDs and other ways to suppress their vote. When Gen Z protests gun violence,Republicans insult them and question their intelligence. Republicans are also going after colleges. A normal political party would look at their platform and figure out how to reach out and appeal to younger voters. Nope, not the current Republican Party. They’re just doubling down and telling younger people we don’t care about you.
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 9, 2023 0:40:48 GMT
In the 2018 midterms 31% of those under the age of 30 who are eligible to vote showed up and voted.
In the 2022 midterms 27% of those eligible to vote under the age of 30 actually voted.
I hardly call that record numbers and if anything if the same % that showed up to vote in the 2018 midterms had voted in 2022 maybe it would have been enough for the Democrats to keep the majority in the House and maybe picked up another seat or two in the Senate.
As it stands now the Keystone Cops are running the House and potentially defaulting on the debt. And once again the Democrats have a thin majority in the Senate.
Did they make a difference? Yes but think of where we could be if that number was the same as 2018 of 31% or better yet 50%.
So pardon me if I don’t get out the cheerleading pom poms or buy into this record numbers talk.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 9, 2023 2:52:19 GMT
In the 2018 midterms 31% of those under the age of 30 who are eligible to vote showed up and voted. In the 2022 midterms 27% of those eligible to vote under the age of 30 actually voted. I hardly call that record numbers and if anything if the same % that showed up to vote in the 2018 midterms had voted in 2022 maybe it would have been enough for the Democrats to keep the majority in the House and maybe picked up another seat or two in the Senate. As it stands now the Keystone Cops are running the House and potentially defaulting on the debt. And once again the Democrats have a thin majority in the Senate. Did they make a difference? Yes but think of where we could be if that number was the same as 2018 of 31% or better yet 50%. So pardon me if I don’t get out the cheering leading pom poms or buy into this record numbers talk. OK boomer. Sorry, but your post is exactly why Gen Zers criticize boomers. Your post is condescending, dismissive and reflects your privilege. Not every young person can afford to take the time off work to vote and not every young person has access to transportation to get to the polls. Antiquated voter registration and restrictions on mail in voting voting are more barriers to young people. Gen Zers are disenfranchised, they have been overlooked, underestimated and ignored by politicians. If Gen Zers and millennials had turned out in fewer numbers in 2022, Democrats would have lost elections in battleground states. Without their votes, Democrats could have lost the Senate and lost more seats in the House. Gen Zers and millennials also helped deliver a win for the Democratic candidate for the Supreme Court seat in the recent Wisconsin election. Like it or not, young people will be a powerful voting block in the next decade. In 2024, it won't be just the Gen Zers that voted in 2018, 2020 or 2022. It will also include newly eligible voters who are motivated to vote. Climate change, abortion, LGBTQ rights and gun violence are all important to them. And you might not be impressed or consider it record numbers, but Gen Zers are breaking records for midterms. And overwhelmingly, they are voting Democratic. Republicans are worried about Gen Zers, that's part of the reason why they are passing voting restrictions directed at college students, talking about raising the voting age, stricter voter ID laws etc. www.npr.org/2023/02/06/1154172568/gen-zs-political-power-new-data-gives-insight-into-americas-youngest-votersAlong with millennials, Gen Zers turned out in historically high numbers for a midterm election, second only to the 2018 election. circle.tufts.edu/2022-election-center#youth-turnout-second-highest-in-last-three-decadesWe estimate that 27% of youth (ages 18-29) cast a ballot in 2022, making this the midterm election with the second-highest youth voter turnout in almost three decades. We also estimate that youth turnout was even higher in some battleground states.
After hovering around 20% turnout in midterm elections since the 1990s, young people shifted that trend in 2018 and largely maintained that trend in 2022, with more than a quarter of young people casting a ballot. Youth are increasing their electoral participation, leading movements, and making their voices heard on key issues that affect their communities.
The 2022 midterms come on the heels of two straight election cycles in which young people dramatically increased their participation at the polls and had historic levels of voter turnout. That increase in youth voting was part of a trend of increased activism and civic engagement by young people who played—and continue to play—a leading role in movements to combat climate change, gun violence, and racial injustice. To better understand the state of youth voting and civic engagement in recent years, explore our data and analyses from the 2018 and 2020 elections. www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2023/02/27/younger-voters-are-poised-to-upend-american-politics/And even though the Democrats failed to retain their majority in the House of Representatives, the preference for Democratic candidates among members of the Pluralist and Millennial generations limited the size of the new Republican majority to just five votes.www.washingtonpost.com/made-by-history/2022/12/09/gen-z-activism-voting/Youth support for Democrats jumped even higher in pivotal battleground Senate contests — young voters favored John Fetterman in Pennsylvania by a 42-point margin and Sen. Mark Kelly in Arizona by 56 points. Young voters were a key focus of Sen. Raphael G. Warnock’s campaign in Georgia’s Senate runoff election, a strategy that paid off.
I don’t think older generations realize how fundamentally angry we are,” explained Maddie Billet, a 20-year-old Pennsylvanian who voted Democratic. “We were born into a world where the environment is crumbling, democracy is dying, bigotry is becoming the norm, and we’re angry about it.”
www.wpr.org/wisconsin-supreme-court-election-young-voter-turnout-uw-campus-college
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Post by Merge on Apr 9, 2023 3:25:22 GMT
In the 2018 midterms 31% of those under the age of 30 who are eligible to vote showed up and voted. In the 2022 midterms 27% of those eligible to vote under the age of 30 actually voted. I hardly call that record numbers and if anything if the same % that showed up to vote in the 2018 midterms had voted in 2022 maybe it would have been enough for the Democrats to keep the majority in the House and maybe picked up another seat or two in the Senate. As it stands now the Keystone Cops are running the House and potentially defaulting on the debt. And once again the Democrats have a thin majority in the Senate. Did they make a difference? Yes but think of where we could be if that number was the same as 2018 of 31% or better yet 50%. So pardon me if I don’t get out the cheerleading pom poms or buy into this record numbers talk. It's just one piece of the puzzle. Biden and the DNC did a shitty job both of protecting voting rights and mobilizing young voters. Democrats in congress have been worse than useless on these issues. What's the point in electing them if they're not committed to helping us elect more of them?
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 9, 2023 4:10:38 GMT
In the 2018 midterms 31% of those under the age of 30 who are eligible to vote showed up and voted. In the 2022 midterms 27% of those eligible to vote under the age of 30 actually voted. I hardly call that record numbers and if anything if the same % that showed up to vote in the 2018 midterms had voted in 2022 maybe it would have been enough for the Democrats to keep the majority in the House and maybe picked up another seat or two in the Senate. As it stands now the Keystone Cops are running the House and potentially defaulting on the debt. And once again the Democrats have a thin majority in the Senate. Did they make a difference? Yes but think of where we could be if that number was the same as 2018 of 31% or better yet 50%. So pardon me if I don’t get out the cheerleading pom poms or buy into this record numbers talk. It's just one piece of the puzzle. Biden and the DNC did a shitty job both of protecting voting rights and mobilizing young voters. Democrats in congress have been worse than useless on these issues. What's the point in electing them if they're not committed to helping us elect more of them? Not just Democrats. Republican voter suppression bills, closing polling places, gerrymandering, Trump messing with the census all had an impact on the 2022 election.
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 9, 2023 6:47:33 GMT
As a boomer who shows up for every election I’m voting for their future more than mine because to be honest it’s pretty much set. Us old folks are the ones that are regularly voting for candidates that support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, climate change among other things. All the things that will affect them more than us old folks as well as voting for changes that will try to make sure there is a planet they can live long lives on.
So where was the 73% of eligible voters between the ages of 18 and 29? Why aren’t they showing up voting for candidates who support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, & climate change.
Of yes, you guys provide a list of excuses.
1. Youthful voters need to be motivated or mobilized. Why, did you need to be motivated or mobilized to vote?
2. Voter suppression bills. Yes that is a problem but are you saying that 73% of those between the ages of 18 and 29 were impacted by the voter suppression laws. Even in states where there are none?
3. Closing polling places. So they can’t go to one that is open? I know it’s not ideal but still …
4. Gerrymandering. Sigh, exactly how does gerrymandering affect the elections of the President, a Senator, a Governor, a Lt. Governor, an AG? I think a strong argument could be made that each of these elections is important, so while their hands may be tied for their choice for the House and state legislators, it’s not a good reason not to vote at all when you consider the impact the other offices up for election have on the country.
5. trump messed with the census is reason 18-29 year olds didn’t vote? Really? How exactly?
6. Antiquated voter registration? When Sanders ran for President the first time he was bitching about how his supporters couldn’t figure out how to register to vote in CA as an independent for a Democratic Candidate in the primary. He said they should make it easier. Knowing these young supporters could register on line I decided to see why these individuals couldn’t figure out how to register to vote in the primary election. It took me 5 minutes for me to figure out how an independent could register and request a Democratic ballot. Trust me when I tell you this if I could figure it out and they couldn’t that is not saying much for the intelligence of the younger generation. Same about the antiquated voter registration whatever that is. I mean I first registered to vote in 1968 and managed to complete what would be considered a antiquated form today.
7. Restrictions on mail-in ballots. Prior to CA giving voters the option for no excuse mail-in ballots I had to get myself to the polling place and I made it with a few exceptions when the traffic sucked from SF to Sonoma County. And prior to the no excuse mail-in ballots, CA like just about every other state, had absentee ballots where you had to have a reason for not being able to show up at the polling place. Yet people still managed to show up and vote.
8. Not all young people took time off to vote. I never did. I would leave at my regular time at 4-4:30 and hoped I would make it to the polling place by 7. My normal commute was between 90 minutes and two hours depending on the traffic. But the traffic always seem to be worse on Election Day. Most times I did make it though.
There is no questions the Republicans are doing their best to make it harder for certain groups of people to vote. But voters in these groups are finding a way to vote even if it means they have to stand in line at the polling place for hours.
Oh wow in 2024 there will be more 18 year olds eligible to vote. How about that. But if only 27% show up……
I don’t think I have to tell you this week was pretty shitty when you take into consideration the events that came to light and were the doings of Republicans.
And it’s going to get worse unless the voters take charge and throw the bums out which means 27% for any age group is not good enough. Not near enough. Especially if that No Label third party succeeds in getting a candidate on the ballot for president.
Marc Elias, who’s law firm is currently working on 43-45 law suits in various states that involve voter suppression laws and gerrymandering maps, says every day that democracy is on docket. The 2024 election will be all about democracy as well so they had better get their act together and show up and vote. And not just the Gen Zers but all age groups. As important as the 2020 election was only 70% of those eligible to vote showed up and voted. And the majority of those who didn’t show up were not impacted by the little laundry list of excuses you all provided. They just didn’t care enough to vote.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 9, 2023 10:38:51 GMT
Holy hell. This woman has been given a platform upon which to spout her batshit crazy ideas. 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳 And don’t fool yourself into thinking that she is alone in this. I sound like a broken radio, but I am gonna say it again: These folks will not be happy until they run this country the way that THEY see fit. They do not care if we disagree with them. They are determined to be in power at any cost. Here is a case in point. Recall the federal judge in Texas who ruled to reverse the FDA’s approval of miphepristone, one of the abortion pills. He actually said this: No, there is NOT a national public policy against abortion, except in the fevered dreams of conservatives. This judge is a member of the Federalist Society, and has long-standing ties to anti-abortion groups. His views are well-known. That’s why this case was heard by him. Conservatives went judge-shopping. So it is their way, or the highway.. Well, they’d probably be safer from gun violence in another country… so there’s that. ( yes that’s sarcasm with a tinge of disgust )
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 9, 2023 10:58:15 GMT
As a boomer who shows up for every election I’m voting for their future more than mine because to be honest it’s pretty much set. Us old folks are the ones that are regularly voting for candidates that support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, climate change among other things. All the things that will affect them more than us old folks as well as voting for changes that will try to make sure there is a planet they can live long lives on. So where was the 73% of eligible voters between the ages of 18 and 29? Why aren’t they showing up voting for candidates who support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, & climate change. Of yes, you guys provide a list of excuses. 1. Youthful voters need to be motivated or mobilized. Why, did you need to be motivated or mobilized to vote? 2. Voter suppression bills. Yes that is a problem but are you saying that 73% of those between the ages of 18 and 29 were impacted by the voter suppression laws. Even in states where there are none? 3. Closing polling places. So they can’t go to one that is open? I know it’s not ideal but still … 4. Gerrymandering. Sigh, exactly how does gerrymandering affect the elections of the President, a Senator, a Governor, a Lt. Governor, an AG? I think a strong argument could be made that each of these elections is important, so while their hands may be tied for their choice for the House and state legislators, it’s not a good reason not to vote at all when you consider the impact the other offices up for election have on the country. 5. trump messed with the census is reason 18-29 year olds didn’t vote? Really? How exactly? 6. Antiquated voter registration? When Sanders ran for President the first time he was bitching about how his supporters couldn’t figure out how to register to vote in CA as an independent for a Democratic Candidate in the primary. He said they should make it easier. Knowing these young supporters could register on line I decided to see why these individuals couldn’t figure out how to register to vote in the primary election. It took me 5 minutes for me to figure out how an independent could register and request a Democratic ballot. Trust me when I tell you this if I could figure it out and they couldn’t that is not saying much for the intelligence of the younger generation. Same about the antiquated voter registration whatever that is. I mean I first registered to vote in 1968 and managed to complete what would be considered a antiquated form today. 7. Restrictions on mail-in ballots. Prior to CA giving voters the option for no excuse mail-in ballots I had to get myself to the polling place and I made it with a few exceptions when the traffic sucked from SF to Sonoma County. And prior to the no excuse mail-in ballots, CA like just about every other state, had absentee ballots where you had to have a reason for not being able to show up at the polling place. Yet people still managed to show up and vote. 8. Not all young people took time off to vote. I never did. I would leave at my regular time at 4-4:30 and hoped I would make it to the polling place by 7. My normal commute was between 90 minutes and two hours depending on the traffic. But the traffic always seem to be worse on Election Day. Most times I did make it though. There is no questions the Republicans are doing their best to make it harder for certain groups of people to vote. But voters in these groups are finding a way to vote even if it means they have to stand in line at the polling place for hours. Oh wow in 2024 there will be more 18 year olds eligible to vote. How about that. But if only 27% show up…… I don’t think I have to tell you this week was pretty shitty when you take into consideration the events that came to light and were the doings of Republicans. And it’s going to get worse unless the voters take charge and throw the bums out which means 27% for any age group is not good enough. Not near enough. Especially if that No Label third party succeeds in getting a candidate on the ballot for president. Marc Elias, who’s law firm is currently working on 43-45 law suits in various states that involve voter suppression laws and gerrymandering maps, says every day that democracy is on docket. The 2024 election will be all about democracy as well so they had better get their act together and show up and vote. And not just the Gen Zers but all age groups. As important as the 2020 election was only 70% of those eligible to vote showed up and voted. And the majority of those who didn’t show up were not impacted by the little laundry list of excuses you all provided. They just didn’t care enough to vote. Maybe you’re voting Democratic, but your generation is not. Boomers and the silent generation vote Republican more than other generations. Gen Zers and millennials overwhelmingly support Democrats. I don’t think you understand how elections work in other states. In some places, you can’t just register to vote online. In NH and other states, you have to register in person. Republicans are making that process more difficult with stricter ID laws. Not every one has a drivers license. And we’ve repeatedly talked about how gerrymandering affects every election. Republicans control the state houses, they pass voter suppression bills, they make election oversight more partisan, they give themselves more control over the elections, they close polling places, they make ballot measures more difficult etc. Redistricting after the 2020 census made districts less competitive, more solidly red or blue. Imagine living in a solidly red district, feeling like your vote doesn’t matter. I don’t think you understand the intentional disenfranchisement in red states. Money goes to the competitive races. Less money is spent on the solidly red districts. Candidates for the opposite party are not as well known and might not be quality candidates. Who wants to run in an election you’re all but guaranteed to lose? Voters in those districts are less motivated to show up and that affects every race. Gerrymandering also makes politicians less accountable to voters. This is why we are stuck with nut cases like Marjorie Taylor Greene. Trump messing with the census impacted the election, not voter turnout. Ron DeSantis with his election integrity unit intimidated minority voters. Other states passed laws to stop people with criminal records from voting. And no, if there’s only one polling place open in your area, it’s not as simple as just going there. The lines are longer, people have to take more time off work, maybe they cant get there on public transportation etc. Not every state has early voting or extended voting hours. I think you’re missing the big picture of what elections look like and the challenges of voting in other states. This week was pretty terrible but could have been worse if the Republican won the race in Wisconsin. Young people helped deliver that win.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 9, 2023 11:15:22 GMT
Yes, an immigrant telling born and naturalized citizens to leave .. oh I know, she is white privilege.. mollycoddle
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Post by Merge on Apr 9, 2023 13:42:37 GMT
As a boomer who shows up for every election I’m voting for their future more than mine because to be honest it’s pretty much set. Us old folks are the ones that are regularly voting for candidates that support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, climate change among other things. All the things that will affect them more than us old folks as well as voting for changes that will try to make sure there is a planet they can live long lives on. So where was the 73% of eligible voters between the ages of 18 and 29? Why aren’t they showing up voting for candidates who support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, & climate change. Of yes, you guys provide a list of excuses. 1. Youthful voters need to be motivated or mobilized. Why, did you need to be motivated or mobilized to vote? 2. Voter suppression bills. Yes that is a problem but are you saying that 73% of those between the ages of 18 and 29 were impacted by the voter suppression laws. Even in states where there are none? 3. Closing polling places. So they can’t go to one that is open? I know it’s not ideal but still … 4. Gerrymandering. Sigh, exactly how does gerrymandering affect the elections of the President, a Senator, a Governor, a Lt. Governor, an AG? I think a strong argument could be made that each of these elections is important, so while their hands may be tied for their choice for the House and state legislators, it’s not a good reason not to vote at all when you consider the impact the other offices up for election have on the country. 5. trump messed with the census is reason 18-29 year olds didn’t vote? Really? How exactly? 6. Antiquated voter registration? When Sanders ran for President the first time he was bitching about how his supporters couldn’t figure out how to register to vote in CA as an independent for a Democratic Candidate in the primary. He said they should make it easier. Knowing these young supporters could register on line I decided to see why these individuals couldn’t figure out how to register to vote in the primary election. It took me 5 minutes for me to figure out how an independent could register and request a Democratic ballot. Trust me when I tell you this if I could figure it out and they couldn’t that is not saying much for the intelligence of the younger generation. Same about the antiquated voter registration whatever that is. I mean I first registered to vote in 1968 and managed to complete what would be considered a antiquated form today. 7. Restrictions on mail-in ballots. Prior to CA giving voters the option for no excuse mail-in ballots I had to get myself to the polling place and I made it with a few exceptions when the traffic sucked from SF to Sonoma County. And prior to the no excuse mail-in ballots, CA like just about every other state, had absentee ballots where you had to have a reason for not being able to show up at the polling place. Yet people still managed to show up and vote. 8. Not all young people took time off to vote. I never did. I would leave at my regular time at 4-4:30 and hoped I would make it to the polling place by 7. My normal commute was between 90 minutes and two hours depending on the traffic. But the traffic always seem to be worse on Election Day. Most times I did make it though. There is no questions the Republicans are doing their best to make it harder for certain groups of people to vote. But voters in these groups are finding a way to vote even if it means they have to stand in line at the polling place for hours. Oh wow in 2024 there will be more 18 year olds eligible to vote. How about that. But if only 27% show up…… I don’t think I have to tell you this week was pretty shitty when you take into consideration the events that came to light and were the doings of Republicans. And it’s going to get worse unless the voters take charge and throw the bums out which means 27% for any age group is not good enough. Not near enough. Especially if that No Label third party succeeds in getting a candidate on the ballot for president. Marc Elias, who’s law firm is currently working on 43-45 law suits in various states that involve voter suppression laws and gerrymandering maps, says every day that democracy is on docket. The 2024 election will be all about democracy as well so they had better get their act together and show up and vote. And not just the Gen Zers but all age groups. As important as the 2020 election was only 70% of those eligible to vote showed up and voted. And the majority of those who didn’t show up were not impacted by the little laundry list of excuses you all provided. They just didn’t care enough to vote. If all of these “excuses” are NBD why do Republicans bother with them? Why are we bothering filing lawsuits against them? Why is Scott Walker freaking out about youth voting in Wisconsin? Republicans understand very well that making it easy to vote is bad for them. They understand that mobilizing and motivating voters is essential. Only establishment Democrats stand up and say, but young voters shouldn’t be affected by these things! Whether they should or shouldn’t is immaterial. Human nature is what it is. Republicans understand that. Why can’t we? Swinging back around to the purpose of the thread: carefully managed, the “Tennessee three” story should be useful in mobilizing young voters in Tennessee. Let’s hope local, state, and national Democrats don’t blow it.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 9, 2023 15:50:03 GMT
As a boomer who shows up for every election I’m voting for their future more than mine because to be honest it’s pretty much set. Us old folks are the ones that are regularly voting for candidates that support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, climate change among other things. All the things that will affect them more than us old folks as well as voting for changes that will try to make sure there is a planet they can live long lives on. So where was the 73% of eligible voters between the ages of 18 and 29? Why aren’t they showing up voting for candidates who support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, & climate change. Of yes, you guys provide a list of excuses. 1. Youthful voters need to be motivated or mobilized. Why, did you need to be motivated or mobilized to vote? I just wanted to comment on #1. Actually, yes, I did need to be motivated to vote. While I’ve voted in every presidential election since I was able to at 18, I can’t honestly say I’ve voted in every midterm election even up through my 30’s and into my 40’s. I was never very politically motivated because I live in a fairly blue part of a fairly blue state (although now, to my great alarm, the more rural areas have become increasingly red), so as long as Democratic senators and governors were usually getting elected, I really didn’t feel like my own existence was threatened. I’m embarrassed to say now that there have been years when I couldn’t be bothered to make the effort to go vote in midterm or special elections. Prior to the last 10-15 years, I had never voted in a primary. My dad was interested in politics but he passed away when I was ten. My mom voted but was never very vocal about who she was voting for or why she chose the candidates she did. She never impressed upon me on the importance of getting out to vote. It has only been within the last 15-20 years that I’ve become increasingly aware of just how critically important the more local elections really are, all the way down to elections for the school board and other similar positions. You could say that as I’ve gotten older and smarter, I’ve learned that it’s imperative to vote in EVERY election a person is eligible to vote in. Because I fear for my 12 yo DD’s future, I have been doing what I can to impress upon her how important it is to be a critical thinker, to be informed about what is happening locally and nationally, to learn about the candidates and what they stand for so you can make every effort to find those who align with your values and then GO VOTE. As a result, she is much more politically savvy and knowledgeable than I ever was at her age. When I was 12, none of these things ever crossed my mind other than learning what I needed to learn to get an A in 7th grade social studies. I don’t doubt for a minute that she will be much more inclined to make that effort to vote once she is old enough. I think (and truly hope) that her generation will be much more informed and involved from an earlier age, in part because they are increasingly aware that in some cases their very lives could depend on it. I think 27-30% turnout in that lower age group is a great start. Instead of being critical that more of them aren’t voting, we need to do whatever we can to support and encourage even more young people to make that effort. They need to be educated much earlier than we were as to the importance of it, and that’s on us.
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Country Ham
Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 25, 2014 19:32:08 GMT
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Post by Country Ham on Apr 10, 2023 12:30:04 GMT
As a boomer who shows up for every election I’m voting for their future more than mine because to be honest it’s pretty much set. Us old folks are the ones that are regularly voting for candidates that support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, climate change among other things. All the things that will affect them more than us old folks as well as voting for changes that will try to make sure there is a planet they can live long lives on. So where was the 73% of eligible voters between the ages of 18 and 29? Why aren’t they showing up voting for candidates who support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, & climate change. Of yes, you guys provide a list of excuses. 1. Youthful voters need to be motivated or mobilized. Why, did you need to be motivated or mobilized to vote?
I needed ZERO outside motivation to vote. I have voted in my country of birth and in the USA now. I have never missed an election since turning 18. I never owned a car till I was in my 30s but I never missed a vote. I have never mailed in a ballot but I never missed one. It's always been important to me. It's a responsibility and a privilege. I guess i literally just realized I lied. I have missed elections, the years between being a permanent resident and a US citizen. The "taxation without representation" years I call them. I went with my daughter to register in person on her 18th birthday and when she went to vote this past fall for the midterm stuff she wasn't on the registration list. We went to the election commission office and long story short her application was found in a file in the back of a filing cabinet. The only reason they searched as hard as they did for it was that they remembered us coming in. Due to the date on the application she was able to do a paper ballot. That was kind of disappointing for a young person's first time voting.
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huskergal
Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 25, 2014 20:22:13 GMT
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Post by huskergal on Apr 10, 2023 13:06:59 GMT
As a boomer who shows up for every election I’m voting for their future more than mine because to be honest it’s pretty much set. Us old folks are the ones that are regularly voting for candidates that support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, climate change among other things. All the things that will affect them more than us old folks as well as voting for changes that will try to make sure there is a planet they can live long lives on. So where was the 73% of eligible voters between the ages of 18 and 29? Why aren’t they showing up voting for candidates who support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, & climate change. Of yes, you guys provide a list of excuses. 1. Youthful voters need to be motivated or mobilized. Why, did you need to be motivated or mobilized to vote?
I needed ZERO outside motivation to vote. I have voted in my country of birth and in the USA now. I have never missed an election since turning 18. I never owned a car till I was in my 30s but I never missed a vote. I have never mailed in a ballot but I never missed one. It's always been important to me. It's a responsibility and a privilege. I guess i literally just realized I lied. I have missed elections, the years between being a permanent resident and a US citizen. The "taxation without representation" years I call them. I went with my daughter to register in person on her 18th birthday and when she went to vote this past fall for the midterm stuff she wasn't on the registration list. We went to the election commission office and long story short her application was found in a file in the back of a filing cabinet. The only reason they searched as hard as they did for it was that they remembered us coming in. Due to the date on the application she was able to do a paper ballot. That was kind of disappointing for a young person's first time voting. I also never needed to be motivated to vote. As a citizen, I feel it is my civic duty to vote. I am happy to report that my 4 children ages, 18-27 have voted in every election that they could. They are all screaming liberals. I don't understand why people who have the means and ability to get to the polls, don't vote. I know lots of them. I understand those who live in areas where it is difficult to vote, but I know a lot of my children's friends don't vote. They just don't take the time.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 10, 2023 13:18:53 GMT
The GOP has accused Democrats of indoctrination. Interesting. Take a look at this:
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Post by Bridget in MD on Apr 10, 2023 13:37:22 GMT
As a boomer who shows up for every election I’m voting for their future more than mine because to be honest it’s pretty much set. Us old folks are the ones that are regularly voting for candidates that support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, climate change among other things. All the things that will affect them more than us old folks as well as voting for changes that will try to make sure there is a planet they can live long lives on. So where was the 73% of eligible voters between the ages of 18 and 29? Why aren’t they showing up voting for candidates who support a woman’s right to chose, gun laws, & climate change. Of yes, you guys provide a list of excuses. 1. Youthful voters need to be motivated or mobilized. Why, did you need to be motivated or mobilized to vote? I just wanted to comment on #1. Actually, yes, I did need to be motivated to vote. While I’ve voted in every presidential election since I was able to at 18, I can’t honestly say I’ve voted in every midterm election even up through my 30’s and into my 40’s. I was never very politically motivated because I live in a fairly blue part of a fairly blue state (although now, to my great alarm, the more rural areas have become increasingly red), so as long as Democratic senators and governors were usually getting elected, I really didn’t feel like my own existence was threatened.
I’m embarrassed to say now that there have been years when I couldn’t be bothered to make the effort to go vote in midterm or special elections. Prior to the last 10-15 years, I had never voted in a primary. My dad was interested in politics but he passed away when I was ten. My mom voted but was never very vocal about who she was voting for or why she chose the candidates she did. She never impressed upon me on the importance of getting out to vote.
It has only been within the last 15-20 years that I’ve become increasingly aware of just how critically important the more local elections really are, all the way down to elections for the school board and other similar positions. You could say that as I’ve gotten older and smarter, I’ve learned that it’s imperative to vote in EVERY election a person is eligible to vote in. Because I fear for my 12 yo DD’s future, I have been doing what I can to impress upon her how important it is to be a critical thinker, to be informed about what is happening locally and nationally, to learn about the candidates and what they stand for so you can make every effort to find those who align with your values and then GO VOTE. As a result, she is much more politically savvy and knowledgeable than I ever was at her age. When I was 12, none of these things ever crossed my mind other than learning what I needed to learn to get an A in 7th grade social studies. I don’t doubt for a minute that she will be much more inclined to make that effort to vote once she is old enough. I think (and truly hope) that her generation will be much more informed and involved from an earlier age, in part because they are increasingly aware that in some cases their very lives could depend on it. I think 27-30% turnout in that lower age group is a great start. Instead of being critical that more of them aren’t voting, we need to do whatever we can to support and encourage even more young people to make that effort. They need to be educated much earlier than we were as to the importance of it, and that’s on us.you took the words right out of my mouth!!!!!
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