snyder
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Post by snyder on Apr 10, 2023 21:57:34 GMT
The tax credit one can received for the purchase of certain electric vehicles qualifies for up to a $7,500 non-refundable tax credit.
The non-refundable credit means that it only reduces your tax liability by what you owe. For example, you do your taxes and you owe $3,000. That means, of that possible credit of $7,500, you will only get $3,000 of the credit and you will no longer owe the $3,000 as you will break even and owe zero.
First question - So what is the incentive? Many people get refunds, so they wouldn't receive any of this non-refundable credit?
Second question - Could you refill out your W-4 and have less taxes taken from your income so at the end of the year you would owe more, thus being able to collect on the electric vehicle non-refundale credit?
Thank you!
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Post by busy on Apr 10, 2023 22:03:03 GMT
First question - So what is the incentive? Many people get refunds, so they wouldn't receive any of this non-refundable credit? The average electric car is almost $70,000 - and many can be a lot more - so I'd wager the decent percentage of electric car buyers are paying, not getting refunds. A pretty decent income is needed to purchase a $70k+ car. Could you refill out your W-4 and have less taxes taken from your income so at the end of the year you would owe more, thus being able to collect on the electric vehicle non-refundale credit? Sure you could. You can adjust your withholdings at any time.
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snyder
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Post by snyder on Apr 10, 2023 22:12:40 GMT
First question - So what is the incentive? Many people get refunds, so they wouldn't receive any of this non-refundable credit? The average electric car is almost $70,000 - and many can be a lot more - so I'd wager the decent percentage of electric car buyers are paying, not getting refunds. A pretty decent income is needed to purchase a $70k+ car. Could you refill out your W-4 and have less taxes taken from your income so at the end of the year you would owe more, thus being able to collect on the electric vehicle non-refundale credit? Sure you could. You can adjust your withholdings at any time. But would this be ethical as you are skirting the process in a sense.
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Post by busy on Apr 10, 2023 22:14:41 GMT
The average electric car is almost $70,000 - and many can be a lot more - so I'd wager the decent percentage of electric car buyers are paying, not getting refunds. A pretty decent income is needed to purchase a $70k+ car. Sure you could. You can adjust your withholdings at any time. But would this be ethical as you are skirting the process in a sense. I don't think there's anything unethical - not even borderline - in proactively managing your tax liability.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 10, 2023 22:15:34 GMT
The average electric car is almost $70,000 - and many can be a lot more - so I'd wager the decent percentage of electric car buyers are paying, not getting refunds. A pretty decent income is needed to purchase a $70k+ car. Sure you could. You can adjust your withholdings at any time. But would this be ethical as you are skirting the process in a sense. You can have whatever you want withheld for taxes, so no, it is not unethical.
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Post by iowgirl on Apr 10, 2023 22:58:49 GMT
First question - So what is the incentive? Many people get refunds, so they wouldn't receive any of this non-refundable credit? I paid a little over 30K in Federal taxes this year. These are the kinds of things we want! Though we have zero plans to ad an electric vehicle to our fleet. We did get tax credits for some solar equipment we purchased a couple years ago for pumps. It tax credit greatly offset the cost of the panels, etc.
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caangel
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Post by caangel on Apr 10, 2023 23:09:26 GMT
It's not what you owe at the end of the tax year but what you owe for the year. Many people over pay their taxes and get a refund but that doesn't mean they owed no taxes for the year just that they paid more than what they owed and are getting money back.
We choose to "under pay" our taxes last year because we had the electric vehicle tax credit which we knew would make up the balance. I can't remember if it was federal or state that we owed about $500 this year but that's close enough for me. The other one we got back around the same amount so in the end it was a wash.
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Post by elaine on Apr 10, 2023 23:14:23 GMT
The tax credit one can received for the purchase of certain electric vehicles qualifies for up to a $7,500 non-refundable tax credit.
The non-refundable credit means that it only reduces your tax liability by what you owe. For example, you do your taxes and you owe $3,000. That means, of that possible credit of $7,500, you will only get $3,000 of the credit and you will no longer owe the $3,000 as you will break even and owe zero.
First question - So what is the incentive? Many people get refunds, so they wouldn't receive any of this non-refundable credit?
Second question - Could you refill out your W-4 and have less taxes taken from your income so at the end of the year you would owe more, thus being able to collect on the electric vehicle non-refundale credit?
Thank you!
There is a difference between the amount of your refund and how much tax you owe/pay. How much you have withheld has no impact on the calculation of your tax liability. The vehicle credit is against your liability which is not connected to your withholding. We took many of these credits as early hybrid purchasers, and I do all my taxes, so I am very clear on how this works. For example, let’s say that due to my salary, I owe/am liable for $15K in federal taxes (which has nothing to do with how much I choose to withhold). If my mortgage interest credit/deduction ($7500) reduces that by $7500, I can claim all $7500 in a credit for an electric vehicle and get back all of the money I had my employer withdraw from my paycheck and give to the government for my tax liability. If I set up my W4 to have $12K withheld for taxes, I will get all of that back. Whatever I had withheld has nothing to do with my tax liability and what credits/deductions I am entitled to. Now, if my tax liability based on my salary was $10K and my mortgage interest deduction is that $7500, reducing my tax liability to $2500, that is the amount I can get as a credit for an electric vehicle. And I’ll still get all that $12K withheld returned to me. I just won’t get some extra $5K magically added to my refund due to that vehicle credit. Withholding more money from your paycheck will have absolutely no impact on how much of the credit you will be able to apply to your taxes. Your other tax credits/deductions - mortgage interest, medical expenses, etc. - do.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 10, 2023 23:28:33 GMT
OMG. I just want to say that I read this, and my head is spinning. This is why I pay someone to do my taxes. I salute those of you who get this stuff. I am fairly smart, but numbers make me want to curl up into a ball.
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Post by elaine on Apr 11, 2023 1:20:24 GMT
Maybe a more accessible way of thinking about it is to equate the electric vehicle credit to Kohl’s Cash that expires at the end of the week.
If you have $100 in Kohl’s cash (your vehicle tax credit), that has no impact on how much that InstantPot you want costs (your tax liability). If the InstantPot is a deluxe model that costs $159, you can use all your Kohl’s cash and only owe $59. But, if you want the $69 model, you can only use $69 worth of Kohl’s cash - you won’t get a refund for the extra $31 in Kohl’s cash.
The transaction regarding the cost of your purchase (your tax liability) and your Kohl’s cash (your vehicle tax credit) has absolutely nothing to do with how much cash you have in your wallet (whatever taxes you had withheld).
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Tax Liability = based on your earnings minus tax deductions/credits
Tax Withholding = whatever you have your employer withhold from your paycheck to offset what your tax liability may be. Has no impact on your tax liability or what credits and deductions you are entitled to. Think of it as however much money you withdraw from the ATM to keep in your wallet - it has no impact on how much your groceries/clothes/InstantPots cost.
If your withholding is more than what your liability ends up being, you get a refund. If your withholding is less than your liability, you pay additional taxes. Again, your withholding has no impact on your liability, nor what tax credits you can take.
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snyder
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Post by snyder on Apr 11, 2023 1:45:00 GMT
Thank you all for replying! Totally makes sense to me now. Someone insisted that it was only if they owed federal after they completed their return. That's why I was asking, what the heck would that do to intice people to purchase the vehicles.
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