scrappinmama
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Post by scrappinmama on Apr 13, 2023 19:56:25 GMT
How many threads are you going to start for the same question? Opinions can change or things can happen where it warrants bringing the topic up again. But I just wonder why open a thread that you aren't interested in reading? I scroll past the ones I'm not interested in. Or if I open and read the first comment and don't want to get involved, I just move on to another thread.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 13, 2023 20:07:32 GMT
I don’t know. The biggest objection to Biden is he is a mediocre old white dude and most younger people are tired of that.
I will not vote for Trump, I will not vote for DeSatan ( I might vote in the gop primary if it looks like it would make a difference I would vote for whom I think is beatable maybe not sure I can stomach that )
I will vote D, I can think of one ‘bad’ enough for me to not vote for them.
I wouldn’t mind the following: Amy Kobluchar Pete Buttegig Cory Booker ( grown to like my photo op Senator over the years ) but I think the racist right would rather die than elect another black man. They feel comfortable being openly racist now they aren’t about to vote like that. I’d love Stacey Abrams but I doubt she could with same reason as above. I’d vote for her hands down in a heartbeat though.
Pritzker & Murphy are both quietly preparing to be ready to run if the opportunity happens, I have no major objections. I don’t like Murphy He did end up being better than Corzine 2.0 but he’s just meh to me. Pritzker also doesn’t have any name recognition. They both have money to do it and have pacs to back them should the opportunity arise.
Don’t get me wrong if it’s a choice between Trump DeSatan or Biden I will vote Biden and it wouldn’t even be the best if the evils it would be the only one qualified.
I’m not stupid enough to vote a 3rd party candidate with democracy on the edge of a cliff like it is.
I can not, CAN NOT do 4 more years of lies & word salad and international embarrassment with Trump. I can’t. Ukraine is toast if Trump wins and other countries not far behind because Putin knows his puppet would do nothing and he could have a free for all.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Apr 13, 2023 20:13:46 GMT
Pritzker also doesn’t have any name recognition. In my part of the world, he is known. And I don't know anyone who actually likes him. LOL But then the majority of my people who live in Illinois are far right Republicans, so there is that. LOL I doubt he has much recognition beyond Illinois and the St. Louis metro area, which is where I am.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 13, 2023 20:16:02 GMT
Regrettably, I don't think this country is ready to elect a gay man or a woman.
Unless he goes to prison, Trump has the best chance of winning the Republican primary. DeSantis has some big money backers but really lacks charisma. Trump doesn't have it either but he can capture audiences in ways that DeSantis can't. Republicans might repeat the same mistake from 2016 and the non-Trump candidates will split the vote, allowing Trump to win.
Biden probably has the best chance of beating Trump.
In an ideal world, I would like to see Corey Booker, Pete, Beto, Chris Murphy, Stacy Abrams or Jamie Raskin run. Maybe in 2028. By 2028, Gen Z and millennials will be an even bigger voting block.
I don't want to see Newsome run. As someone else said, Republicans will unite behind their hatred of him. He stands for all of the things they hate about Democrats. He hasn't announced but he clearly has presidential aspirations. He's just waiting in the wings for Biden to step aside or 2028. It would be entertaining to see Newsome vs DeSantis, but there would probably be a lot of people that don't like either one of them.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Apr 13, 2023 20:17:47 GMT
I can not, CAN NOT do 4 more years of lies & word salad and international embarrassment with Trump. I can’t. That is where I am at. I don't know what I will do if Trump is elected again. I literally can NOT handle having to look at and listen to him. The thought of it makes me want to vomit. I saw a tik tok video this morning of someone who posted all the times he has talked about how "big strong men were crying and thanking him" in response to him telling F*ucker Carlson that everyone in the courthouse was crying. OMG. That has certainly been his MO, and I didn't even realize it because I try to not listen to him at all. But she had clip after clip after clip of him talking at his rallies about men who have probably never cried in their lives crying and thanking him for "saving America." OMG. All I could think as I watched it was I cannot have 4 more years of listening to him.
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RosieKat
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Post by RosieKat on Apr 13, 2023 20:55:45 GMT
I won’t vote for any Republicans-although I have several times in the past- until they recover their sanity and stop being the authoritarian party. Exactly this. While I hate the idea of voting straight party just because it's that party, that's what I'll be doing until the Republicans regain their senses. I don't see Harris, Buttegieg, or Newsom winning nationally. I don't think Harris has the showmanship that the nation likes to see, I agree that we're unlikely to elect an openly gay president at this time, and Newsom may have the show but has stood for too much that too many hate. According to Ballotpedia, the only candidate they consider qualified that has registered candidacy is Marianne Williamson. Biden has said he will run again with Harris but has not formally declared. It's kind of crazy when you look at all the people who have registered, though! Ballotpedia What I don't know, though, is who has any of the combo of ability, experience, showmanship, and universal appeal to be able to win, because let's face it, issues and policy are just one drop in the bucket.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 13, 2023 20:56:21 GMT
I really like Sherrod Brown and think he would make a fantastic candidate and president. I don’t think he has the necessary national name recognition He is my Senator, and I am a big fan of him and of his wife. But I would be surprised if he ran. I just hope that he gets re-elected in 24. Ohio has become very red.
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Post by maryland on Apr 13, 2023 23:51:52 GMT
I like Biden, Harris, Buttegieg. Age doesn't matter so much to me as long as I like the candidate.
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Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Apr 14, 2023 1:17:01 GMT
I love him and/but we can't lose that seat. I don't know that he can do both. I think he's going to lose it anyway. They are going to run a complete MAGA wackadoo against him and I don't know that his basic decency as a human being will be enough.
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Post by chaosisapony on Apr 14, 2023 1:57:38 GMT
I lost a little respect for Kamala recently, just a personal opinion, not something that might keep me from voting for her if she is the one. I would LOVE to see Pete give it another go. I don't know if the country is ready for an openly gay President though, unfortunately. Just judging, by the way, people are toward the LBGTQ+ community at the moment. I agree, we can't even get a woman as VP without a shit ton of misogyny floating around. As much as it pains me, I do not believe a majority of people would vote for an openly gay candidate. I'd probably vote for Kamala. Never, never, ever would I vote for Newsom. I'd love to see some fresh, exciting candidates that haven't been on the scene for years.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 14, 2023 3:32:26 GMT
Not sure that I agree with all of this, but I do think Biden is often underestimated. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/13/biden-polling-belies-strength/President Biden’s poll numbers are stubbornly low. Most voters think he might be too old to run for reelection. Even many Democrats would like to see someone else heading the ticket next year. In other words, he’s got us all just where he wants us.
Being underestimated is Biden’s political superpower. He used it to win the Democratic nomination in 2020; he used it to pull off the rare feat of ousting an incumbent president. He has used it to pass historic legislation with tiny congressional majorities, to thwart Russia’s brutal attempt to conquer Ukraine and to turn what Republicans thought would be a “red wave” midterm election into a sad little ripple.
I keep thinking back to the reporting trip I made to South Carolina in 2020 shortly before that state’s pivotal primary. I was driving from the Charleston airport to my hotel when Rep. James E. Clyburn, the Democratic kingmaker, endorsed Biden. It was lifesaving oxygen for a campaign out of breath: Biden had finished a shocking fourth in the chaotic Iowa caucuses, an abysmal fifth in the New Hampshire primary and a poor second in Nevada. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont had all the momentum.
I spent the next couple of days talking to Democratic voters in Charleston and my hometown of Orangeburg. All of them were aware of Clyburn’s endorsement. Almost none voiced enthusiasm about Biden — he was so old, he had been around forever, maybe his time had come and gone — but all were pragmatic. And all of them wanted President Donald Trump out of the White House.
Biden ended up winning South Carolina in a landslide, and you know the rest. A week later, he won 10 of the 14 Super Tuesday primaries to essentially sew up the nomination. And Democrats went on to capture not just the White House but also both chambers of Congress. If he runs again, Biden will be 81 on Election Day. He will occasionally misspeak or fumble for words, as he has done for his entire political career — on Wednesday, during his trip to Ireland, he tried to refer to New Zealand’s national rugby team, the All Blacks, but instead called them the “Black and Tans,” which was the name of a brutal British paramilitary force. He quickly corrected himself, but Republicans will make fun of him, as they always do.
If they were smart, Republicans would listen to former House speaker Newt Gingrich, who scolded his party after last year’s election: “We dislike Biden so much, we pettily focus on his speaking difficulties, sometimes strange behavior, clear lapses of memory, and other personal flaws. Our aversion to him and his policies makes us underestimate him and the Democrats.”
Gingrich correctly noted that “the Biden team had one of the best first term off-year elections in history” and implored Republicans to acknowledge that “our system and approach failed.” So what does the GOP appear prepared to do? Nominate Trump yet again. Refuse to rethink extreme positions on issues such as abortion and gun violence that are radically out of step with majority opinion. Energize Democrats while repelling independent voters.
If it looks as if Trump will be the Republican nominee — and he seems to be pulling away from the field, if you can call it a field — I expect Biden to run, and run hard. He believes, as I do, that Trump must never again be entrusted with any public office, let alone the presidency. There are other Democrats who might beat Trump, but Biden knows he can do it — because he has done it. And decisively.
A Biden-Trump rematch is not the contest most Americans would like to see. But elections are choices. And while polls may say that Biden’s approval rating is low, they consistently report that Trump’s is lower.
I suppose there is a chance that the Republican Party might somehow solve its Trump problem, though at present that looks unlikely. If he were out of the picture, and not heckling or sabotaging the GOP nominee from the sidelines — like I said, this is an unlikely scenario — would a younger, more conventional Republican be a more formidable opponent against Biden? Would Biden even run? Might the president step aside in favor of the next generation? Wait, I’m doing it, too. I’m underestimating Biden by assuming his decision about running depends on who his opponent might be — rather than on his own determination, discipline and political dexterity. Get lost in that kind of reverie, Republicans, and you’ll wake up to see him being sworn in for his second term.
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 14, 2023 3:44:53 GMT
The reason I asked the question is because of all the rumblings by Democrats that they don’t want Joe Biden to run for a second term. So I was curious who people would want to run instead of Joe Biden. I came across this opinion piece by Eugene Robinson. In spite of the two Democratic traitors in the Senate he has accomplished a lot. But for some reason people are ignoring that. From The Washington Post…. link“ Opinion Why we shouldn’t underestimate Joe Biden”By Eugene Robinson Columnist April 13, 2023 at 5:45 p.m. EDT “President Biden’s poll numbers are stubbornly low. Most voters think he might be too old to run for reelection. Even many Democrats would like to see someone else heading the ticket next year. In other words, he’s got us all just where he wants us. Being underestimated is Biden’s political superpower. He used it to win the Democratic nomination in 2020; he used it to pull off the rare feat of ousting an incumbent president. He has used it to pass historic legislation with tiny congressional majorities, to thwart Russia’s brutal attempt to conquer Ukraine and to turn what Republicans thought would be a “red wave” midterm election into a sad little ripple. And Biden is perfectly capable of using that superpower again to win a second term. Those who doubt this are welcome to fool around and find out. I keep thinking back to the reporting trip I made to South Carolina in 2020 shortly before that state’s pivotal primary. I was driving from the Charleston airport to my hotel when Rep. James E. Clyburn, the Democratic kingmaker, endorsed Biden. It was lifesaving oxygen for a campaign out of breath: Biden had finished a shocking fourth in the chaotic Iowa caucuses, an abysmal fifth in the New Hampshire primary and a poor second in Nevada. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont had all the momentum. I spent the next couple of days talking to Democratic voters in Charleston and my hometown of Orangeburg. All of them were aware of Clyburn’s endorsement. Almost none voiced enthusiasm about Biden — he was so old, he had been around forever, maybe his time had come and gone — but all were pragmatic. And all of them wanted President Donald Trump out of the White House. Biden ended up winning South Carolina in a landslide, and you know the rest. A week later, he won 10 of the 14 Super Tuesday primaries to essentially sew up the nomination. And Democrats went on to capture not just the White House but also both chambers of Congress. If he runs again, Biden will be 81 on Election Day. He will occasionally misspeak or fumble for words, as he has done for his entire political career — on Wednesday, during his trip to Ireland, he tried to refer to New Zealand’s national rugby team, the All Blacks, but instead called them the “Black and Tans,” which was the name of a brutal British paramilitary force. He quickly corrected himself, but Republicans will make fun of him, as they always do. If they were smart, Republicans would listen to former House speaker Newt Gingrich, who scolded his party after last year’s election: “We dislike Biden so much, we pettily focus on his speaking difficulties, sometimes strange behavior, clear lapses of memory, and other personal flaws. Our aversion to him and his policies makes us underestimate him and the Democrats.” Gingrich correctly noted that “the Biden team had one of the best first term off-year elections in history” and implored Republicans to acknowledge that “our system and approach failed.” So what does the GOP appear prepared to do? Nominate Trump yet again. Refuse to rethink extreme positions on issues such as abortion and gun violence that are radically out of step with majority opinion. Energize Democrats while repelling independent voters. If it looks as if Trump will be the Republican nominee — and he seems to be pulling away from the field, if you can call it a field — I expect Biden to run, and run hard. He believes, as I do, that Trump must never again be entrusted with any public office, let alone the presidency. There are other Democrats who might beat Trump, but Biden knows he can do it — because he has done it. And decisively. A Biden-Trump rematch is not the contest most Americans would like to see. But elections are choices. And while polls may say that Biden’s approval rating is low, they consistently report that Trump’s is lower. I suppose there is a chance that the Republican Party might somehow solve its Trump problem, though at present that looks unlikely. If he were out of the picture, and not heckling or sabotaging the GOP nominee from the sidelines — like I said, this is an unlikely scenario — would a younger, more conventional Republican be a more formidable opponent against Biden? Would Biden even run? Might the president step aside in favor of the next generation? Wait, I’m doing it, too. I’m underestimating Biden by assuming his decision about running depends on who his opponent might be — rather than on his own determination, discipline and political dexterity. Get lost in that kind of reverie, Republicans, and you’ll wake up to see him being sworn in for his second term.”
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 14, 2023 3:51:39 GMT
I'm not sure if you have me blocked, you're ignoring my posts or not reading your own thread. I posted the same article just above your post.
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carhoch
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Post by carhoch on Apr 14, 2023 12:45:16 GMT
I will vote blue no matter who , I have no problem voting for Biden again because he did a great job. It would be nice if he was a little younger but his age is not a dealbreaker for me .
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Post by kelbel827 on Apr 14, 2023 14:40:15 GMT
I like those 3 choices, but I will vote for anyone with a D.
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Post by peasapie on Apr 14, 2023 15:51:48 GMT
I think Corey Booker should give it a go again. I like Kamala. And Pete.
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Post by sabrinae on Apr 14, 2023 19:30:27 GMT
I love him and/but we can't lose that seat. I don't know that he can do both. I think he's going to lose it anyway. They are going to run a complete MAGA wackadoo against him and I don't know that his basic decency as a human being will be enough. Unfortunately Ohio is in the race to become MAGA capital. Tim Ryan should have beat JD Vance but this is what Ohio has become. I unfortunately agree with you that he’s going to have a tough time keeping his seat though I also thought he would lose his last election so maybe I’ll be suprised.
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Post by Merge on Apr 14, 2023 21:45:36 GMT
It doesn’t matter to me, honestly. My focus here in Texas is working on voter turnout campaigns. Any Democrat we can get into office is a win.
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Post by Layce on Apr 15, 2023 12:38:00 GMT
I'm not sure if you have me blocked, you're ignoring my posts or not reading your own thread. I posted the same article just above your post. Calm down, aj. You girls obviously were posting simultaneously and it happens here all. the. time. Think of it instead as great minds think alike. 😇
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