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Post by Linda on Apr 18, 2023 14:35:19 GMT
I'm in Florida in a very red county (80% red voters) and I'm not really hearing much...even on our community fb pages which generally bleed red and/or Conferderate. Do you think that is because people are unhappy with it but don’t want to call it out? They don’t care? They agree with it? Or some other reason nobody is talking about it? Or as someone else posted above, maybe it is not being covered as heavily there because that would possibly make DeSantis look bad? At a guess (and it is only a guess) - it's a combination of people agreeing with DeSantis and people not being able to afford Disney anyway (it's a poor rural county - poor enough that all schools are 100% free school lunch/breakfast) so other issues are a bigger deal here. And those people who who disagree with the majority tend to keep a low profile because people get downright hostile and it's a small community
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Post by casii on Apr 18, 2023 14:41:46 GMT
I'm in a Disney fanatic family with my sister and middle daughter leading the fan club, so it's a hot topic amongst family. DeSantis is floating his fascist platform to score points for when he throws his hat in the ring for 2024 which could happen in the next few weeks. Disney's social media posts get loads of comments along the lines of "Go Woke, Go Broke" and/or "Groomers". These are the voters he's hoping will split off from Trump and follow him.
There is no other state that's got the open land and climate to set Disneyworld in, so Disney needs to play a long game and I'm sure they are, to outlast and outsmart DeSantis. One would think it would dawn on Florida voters, even GOP voters, that to punish Disney is to punish them as well.
That's my not so hot take, but why am I craving Dole Whip with a shot of rum in it right now?
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Post by bossymom on Apr 18, 2023 14:50:14 GMT
I live in rural Iowa. If I asked 10 people today (and I never see 10 people in a day) ... I can almost guarantee no one would have any opinion about it. A few might say "I went to Disneyworld 10 years ago" ... No one around here cares. This. Pretty sure I am never going to Disney again.....Love the pride outfits on Minnie and Mickey!
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Post by Sarah*H on Apr 18, 2023 16:40:40 GMT
Fox News was on at the mechanic's shop this morning and there was some idiot from the DeSantis administration talking about it. First of all, he sounded like Jimmy Joe Earl the used car salesman. They are not hiring the best and the brightest in that administration. And he was spouting off nonsense that Bob Eiger is facing the music and needs to bow down and get right with DeSantis because he's going to lose big time. Then he said something nonsensical about how Disney is going to have to pay all of its own bills for once and something else about DeSantis taking care of the firemen.
On some level, it makes me chuckle to think that DeSantis thinks the State of Florida will ultimately prevail against this corporation. Does he really believe the state legislature has the power to void legal contracts entered into by private entities and that any court is going to uphold that type of legislation? I am absolutely certain that the legions of attorneys Disney will bring to this fight if it gets that far will crush whoever the state has to litigate this.
The only local friend I've seen comment about it is a libertarian who claims he is independent but curiously only ever criticizes liberals/Democrats. He posted something about Pride Day at Disney and said "burn it down."
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 18, 2023 17:55:28 GMT
I only see things on TikTok where my FYP skews liberal.
Also, I don't think most people who are Disney fans and even those who go once or twice for a big trip, really care if there is a prison nearby. My city has a large state prison. It isn't like people are breaking out left and right--this isn't the movies with bus hijacks occurring on the regular.
I have lived in this area for 33 years. There was only one "jailbreak" from a work program about 30 years ago and they were caught almost right away. I am not making my decision about Disney based on a prison nearby, and I doubt it will make almost any difference in attendance.
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 18, 2023 18:10:20 GMT
Florida must not have more pressing problems because its governor seems hellbent on escalating this culture war.
It’s the conservatives, not the liberals, who were yelling time and time again that “Corporations are people” and as such, have First Amendment rights. The problem with pols like DeSantis is they like it only when a corp shares their values. If Mickey likes gay people and DEI, and wants to spend money repealing DeSantis’ Parental Rights in Education Act, it really is none of DeSantis’ business to interfere. It’s up to the people to decide for themselves whether they agree with Disney (and thus continue to patronize the business) or DeSantis (and thus continue to vote for him).
If Mickey outfoxed DeSantis, well…that’s his own damned fault. He was the one who was using his office to supposedly kill Reedy Creek. (That is, until someone probably pulled him aside and told him what a stupid idea it was because Florida taxpayers will end up holding the bag on $1B in bond debt.)
Ended up renaming the district and installing his chosen board. What was he expecting Disney would do? Roll over? While he was trying to outdo Trump in the Demagoguery Department, the Mouse was busy laying the trap. So he has his board, but one whose powers have been effectively nullified by Disney.
The intelligent thing to do is to just let it go.
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 18, 2023 19:16:55 GMT
Florida must not have more pressing problems because its governor seems hellbent on escalating this culture war. If I lived in Florida, I'd be raising hell that our insurance rates are skyrocketing, if you can even find insurance. He's gonna keep on with this made up battle and I hope it sinks him.
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Post by hopemax on Apr 18, 2023 20:29:00 GMT
On some level, it makes me chuckle to think that DeSantis thinks the State of Florida will ultimately prevail against this corporation. Does he really believe the state legislature has the power to void legal contracts entered into by private entities and that any court is going to uphold that type of legislation? I am absolutely certain that the legions of attorneys Disney will bring to this fight if it gets that far will crush whoever the state has to litigate this. Based on the amendment legislators added to SB1604 this morning, it's not just DeSantis who believes that the state can void legal contracts ex post facto. I don't know if they actually believe they can win. Given the "We're going to do this! No, now we're doing this! Forget that, now it's THIS!" actions their taking, I'm guessing they aren't getting satisfactory answers from their lawyers. But they know that if they don't keep up the pretense of a fight, the base will revolt. Like Trump after the 2020 election, and Kari Lake's shenanigans in AZ now... you only truly lose if you stop fighting. So the fight has to go on until the money runs out.
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 18, 2023 21:40:32 GMT
I have to say that no one I know is talking about it at all. Is it a big topic elsewhere? As a Florida resident it is a 24/7 topic of conversation on the local news, both as a political discussion and a tourist discussion. Disney employs many people and brings enormous amounts of cash spending vacationers to the state. It is a big issue for many Floridians who work for Disney, or work Disney adjacent, as tourism provides so many jobs down here. I live in a very conservative, previously Trump supporting area. Most of them now support DeSantis and his homophobic points of view. My neighborhood fb page is filled with praise for the outstanding job he's doing as our governor, between this and the 6 week abortion ban. It is very difficult to live in swfl as a non-conservative. Very, very difficult. I've heavily debated leaving the state and if I were a bit closer to retirement age I'd feel more comfortable giving up my career and starting over. My sister can say the same.... she would leave as well after being dragged there by her ex. But now she owns her own home, kids go to college there, she is kinda 'stuck'.
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Post by Linda on Apr 18, 2023 22:23:45 GMT
Florida must not have more pressing problems because its governor seems hellbent on escalating this culture war. I can think of many more pressing problems in the state that are being ignored while our governor tries to out-Trump Trump...it's sickening
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Post by dewryce on Apr 19, 2023 10:00:25 GMT
My SIL’s husband has decided not to go with us to DisneyWorld because it’s “tearing at the fabric of American families” or some such nonsense. So I imagine he views DeSantis favorably.
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Post by elaine on Apr 19, 2023 10:18:33 GMT
I'm in a Disney fanatic family with my sister and middle daughter leading the fan club, so it's a hot topic amongst family. DeSantis is floating his fascist platform to score points for when he throws his hat in the ring for 2024 which could happen in the next few weeks. Disney's social media posts get loads of comments along the lines of "Go Woke, Go Broke" and/or "Groomers". These are the voters he's hoping will split off from Trump and follow him. There is no other state that's got the open land and climate to set Disneyworld in, so Disney needs to play a long game and I'm sure they are, to outlast and outsmart DeSantis. One would think it would dawn on Florida voters, even GOP voters, that to punish Disney is to punish them as well. That's my not so hot take, but why am I craving Dole Whip with a shot of rum in it right now? ME! DisneyWorld has been in Florida since before DeSantis was born and will outlast him. I feel confident that they have the best lawyers and strategists their money can buy. And, even better, it appears that they silently accept and follow their advice. I personally think that by not engaging in a surface fight with DeSantis in the press and social media will serve them well.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Apr 19, 2023 11:35:00 GMT
Florida must not have more pressing problems because its governor seems hellbent on escalating this culture war. If I lived in Florida, I'd be raising hell that our insurance rates are skyrocketing, if you can even find insurance. He's gonna keep on with this made up battle and I hope it sinks him. My college roommate's house is still fucked up from the flooding from the hurricane last Sept - she's on the Atlantic side and had to replace all her drywall and flooring, plus 2 cars were flooded. I am sure she had insurance, but I am also sure they are fighting everything. Our car insurance raised $50/car, and we don't even live in FL! When DH called USAA to ask what is going on, they said all rates across the country raised.
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Post by lisae on Apr 19, 2023 11:57:23 GMT
I know very little about it. I've seen a few headlines but that is about all. From what little I know it seems like another example of the DeSantis "Reality" Show where he creates some drama that he thinks will lead him to be the last survivor of the Republican primary. In actuality he is picking fights and creating policies that don't help the majority of people with the types of problems that are really important to them.
I went to Disney a lot in high school and college because I had family who lived about an hour from Orlando. Since then I've been to one Disney property one time and that was about 25 years ago. I doubt I will ever go back. I know one family who with a young child who is in Florida now and they are going to Universal. We never even considered taking DH's grandchildren there when they came to visit. Too far, too commercial, too expensive compared to other vacations. So I don't know anyone talking about anything Disney. And unfortunately, the Trump signs still stand here.
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Post by cade387 on Apr 19, 2023 15:22:25 GMT
Disney and Orlando in general factor into my personal and professional life quite a bit. This is a big thing in my circle.
The bit yesterday about Disney being exempt from safety inspections is laughable as was most of that conference. The tolls on the roads will hurt locals and CMs and not the corporation. The prison idea or that the FL government would put another park on that land is also laughable.
Disney is definitely in endgame territory but thinking of DeSantis as Thanos is fitting.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 19, 2023 16:17:44 GMT
My SIL’s husband has decided not to go with us to DisneyWorld because it’s “tearing at the fabric of American families” or some such nonsense. So I imagine he views DeSantis favorably. I mean yes it definitely tears at my family fabric when the kids fight about which ride to queue for next!
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Post by elaine on Apr 19, 2023 21:23:50 GMT
My SIL’s husband has decided not to go with us to DisneyWorld because it’s “tearing at the fabric of American families” or some such nonsense. So I imagine he views DeSantis favorably. I mean yes it definitely tears at my family fabric when the kids fight about which ride to queue for next! 😂😂😂
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 19, 2023 21:40:53 GMT
I live in Jacksonville and it is covered on our local news. I wish Disney would just say okay and move it somewhere that appreciates the economic impact on a state's balance sheet. DeSantis is such a tool. He was married at DisneyWorld.Okay, now I understand his wife's wardrobe. Makes me roll my eyes.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 21, 2023 1:30:49 GMT
DeSantis's war on Disney makes Trump look reasonable which is just crazy www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/20/desantis-disney-battle-bad-politics/Is there something wrong with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis? What kind of politician declares war against Mickey Mouse and Tinker Bell? Does he have some sort of problem with impulse control?
I mean, seriously, what kind of governor threatens the revenue of a company that is his state’s biggest private employer, No. 1 corporate taxpayer and most popular tourist attraction? For that matter, what kind of self-proclaimed conservative Republican believes a governor has the right to punish a corporation for publicly disagreeing with his policies?
The battle DeSantis has chosen to wage against Walt Disney World always seemed petty and ill-advised. It now looks obsessive and weird — and I fear it tells us something alarming about the man who is running second in the polls, behind Donald Trump, for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.
DeSantis likes to portray himself as the ultimate fighter; indeed, a PAC supporting his still-undeclared candidacy is titled Never Back Down. But a politician who doesn’t know when to fight and when to stand down can never be trusted with the powers of the presidency. Disney doesn’t have nuclear weapons; China and Russia do.
“This is all so unnecessary, a political STUNT!” Trump posted Tuesday about DeSantis’s fight with Disney. So between the two of them, Trump sounds more reasonable? Good Lord.
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