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Post by onelasttime on Apr 29, 2023 15:26:15 GMT
Question. How are armed guards in schools going to protect this 8 year old boy?
All the parents did was ask the guy next door to stop shooting outside in his yard at night so the family could sleep.
From the article…
“AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A Texas man went next door with a rifle and began shooting his neighbors, killing an 8-year-old and four others inside the house, after the family asked him to stop firing rounds in his yard because they were trying to sleep, authorities said Saturday.
San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers said authorities were still searching for the 39-year-old suspect following the overnight shooting in the town of Cleveland, about 45 miles (72 kilometers) north of Houston. He said the suspect, whom he did not identify, used an AR-style rifle in the shooting.
“Everyone that was shot was shot from the neck up, almost execution-style,” Capers said during a news conference at the scene.”
“Capers said there were 10 people in the house and that no one else was injured. He said two of the victims, all believed to be from Honduras, were found laying over two children inside.
“The Honduran ladies that were laying over these children were doing it in such an effort as to protect the child,” according to Capers, who said a total of three blood-covered children were found in the home but were determined to be uninjured after being taken to a hospital.“
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Post by Lurkingpea on Apr 29, 2023 15:37:51 GMT
This makes me sick to my stomach. Those parents. Those children.
This country. I read somewhere that other countries are advising their residents not to travel here. Because of mass shootings.
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 29, 2023 16:21:35 GMT
I wasn’t sure what type of rifle was used. But it seems it was an AR-15 type of rifle.
From the Washington Post.
”Gunman killed neighbors, child with AR-15-style rifle, sheriff says”
“A man using an AR-15-style weapon shot and killed five people Friday, including an 8-year-old — an angry response to the neighbors’ request that he stop shooting in his yard while their baby was trying to sleep, Texas authorities said Saturday. The gunman then fled, prompting an ongoing manhunt.
Authorities charged Francisco Oropeza, 38, with five counts of murder and were searching for him Saturday morning, San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told The Washington Post. Authorities believed he was about two miles from the area and were working to apprehend him, he said.
Ten people were in the Cleveland, Tex., home during the shooting. Three women, a man and an 8-year-old boy were killed, Capers said. Five others survived, including three children.
The suspect was the victims’ neighbor and went to their home Friday night after they asked him to stop shooting an AR-15-style weapon in his front yard because of the noise, Capers said.”
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Post by edie3 on Apr 29, 2023 16:28:52 GMT
How can people see this and not want to act on gun control? The GOP is truly Guns Over People.
Long story short, to rescue a loose dog I had to go knock on a strangers door this week, and later on it dawned on me that I could have been shot. 'Merica.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 29, 2023 16:53:24 GMT
No one could have predicted this. Some kook shoots innocent people. Having so many guns out there is really working out. 🙄👀
I feel terrible for the family. It won’t change the opinion of gun nuts though. No amount of innocent victims will be enough for these selfish a-holes.
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Post by gar on Apr 29, 2023 17:29:24 GMT
This makes me sick to my stomach. Those parents. Those children. This country. I read somewhere that other countries are advising their residents not to travel here. Because of mass shootings. I haven’t read that personally but I would certainly pause for thought for that reason. I *know* some will say it’s not that bad, that they’ve never seen a gun where they live or whatever but it looks pretty common from over here. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 29, 2023 17:34:37 GMT
The right is predictably turning this into an anti-immigrant narrative. Shooter was Mexican and victims from Honduras. Immigration status not being reported at this time, but it’s telling to me that the “pro-life” folks are willing to just write off the lives of immigrants.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 29, 2023 17:46:22 GMT
The right is predictably turning this into an anti-immigrant narrative. Shooter was Mexican and victims from Honduras. Immigration status not being reported at this time, but it’s telling to me that the “pro-life” folks are willing to just write off the lives of immigrants. Always ignoring the common element, which is easy access to efficient deadly weapons. People get mad everywhere and drunk everywhere but not being able to impulsively execute people is the difference. Almost every one of my homicide cases was a case that wouldn't have been a homicide absent the gun. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 29, 2023 17:57:23 GMT
The right is predictably turning this into an anti-immigrant narrative. Shooter was Mexican and victims from Honduras. Immigration status not being reported at this time, but it’s telling to me that the “pro-life” folks are willing to just write off the lives of immigrants. Why aren’t we calling them pro-some-life? 🤔Pro-pre-life? Pro-people-like-us-life? |
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Post by librarylady on Apr 29, 2023 17:59:00 GMT
If I didn't live here, I would not want to visit Texas. Sounds like to wild and dangerous a place for ordinary people.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 29, 2023 18:03:30 GMT
The fact that it is legal for people to have these weapons is disgusting. Then to add that it apparently is ok for them to shoot it in their yard is a whole other level of disturbing. Then that he shot his neighbors? I just don’t even know what to say anymore.
I don’t know how anyone can use a gun—for any purpose—and not just think about how many people have been killed with them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2023 18:47:34 GMT
Not to get nit picky, but it's it really a mass shooting when they're in a private home and targeted specifically because he had a beef with them? Yes, 5 people were killed, but they all lived together in the same house. This is more of a mass murder than shooting.
To me, mass shooting equals public place or random targets.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 29, 2023 19:02:09 GMT
Not to get nit picky, but it's it really a mass shooting when they're in a private home and targeted specifically because he had a beef with them? Yes, 5 people were killed, but they all lived together in the same house. This is more of a mass murder than shooting. To me, mass shooting equals public place or random targets. While I agree with you in theory, the official government definition of a mass murder is just four or more people killed (excluding the shooter). Nothing about the circumstances. Also, don’t forget lots of mass murders happen in the shooter’s (current or former) workplace, where he IS targeting specific victims, even though he might be randomly shooting a bunch of other people, too. |
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 29, 2023 19:03:58 GMT
Not to get nit picky, but it's it really a mass shooting when they're in a private home and targeted specifically because he had a beef with them? Yes, 5 people were killed, but they all lived together in the same house. This is more of a mass murder than shooting. To me, mass shooting equals public place or random targets. We are going to disagree on this. In my world regardless of where they are and the circumstances if there are multiple shooting victims it’s a mass shooting. The shooter was not related to these people. He went into their home and killed 5 innocent people. So what difference does it make if it’s a house or a church or a school or a nightclub or a sweet sixteen birthday party? The one thing all these have in common was a single shooter went to these places and shot multiple people and some did not survive. That is a mass shooting. |
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Post by Nanner on Apr 29, 2023 19:18:36 GMT
This makes me sick to my stomach. Those parents. Those children. This country. I read somewhere that other countries are advising their residents not to travel here. Because of mass shootings. DH and I refuse to go to the US now. And he is American.
We haven't been since before Covid, actually.
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Post by edie3 on Apr 29, 2023 19:22:21 GMT
DH and I refuse to go to the US now. And he is American. I don't blame you. |
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Post by Delta Dawn on Apr 29, 2023 19:29:10 GMT
We love Hawaii and while there is less gun violence there, I think we will take our chances with Mexico than with some chimpanzee on a rampage. All “legal” and illegal gun holders are lesser primates. Want to be smart? Get rid of your gun.
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Post by stargazer on Apr 29, 2023 19:30:07 GMT
Not to get nit picky, but it's it really a mass shooting when they're in a private home and targeted specifically because he had a beef with them? Yes, 5 people were killed, but they all lived together in the same house. This is more of a mass murder than shooting. To me, mass shooting equals public place or random targets. I’m staggered by this comment. Not only is it a mass shooting because it meets the definition of a mass shooting but it seems like this is the kind of discussion that gets started instead of a “let’s do something about gun control” discussion Teachpea further up thread said they’d heard travellers being advised not to visit, I haven’t heard that yet but I have spoken to a few different people who have recently returned from long planned trips and said they won’t go back due to no longer feeling safe. As someone who has visited many times, this is one of the reasons we haven’t returned for some time. |
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Post by elaine on Apr 29, 2023 19:41:55 GMT
No one could have predicted this. Some kook shoots innocent people. Having so many guns out there is really working out. 🙄👀 I feel terrible for the family. It won’t change the opinion of gun nuts though. No amount of innocent victims will be enough for these selfish a-holes. Yeah, well, and the fact that those murdered in cold blood in their home by a rifle-toting asshole were persons of color probably has quite a few MAGA gun-lovers cheering - if only in their own homes. You know, because they deserved it for being brown. |
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 29, 2023 19:49:06 GMT
The right is predictably turning this into an anti-immigrant narrative. Shooter was Mexican and victims from Honduras. Immigration status not being reported at this time, but it’s telling to me that the “pro-life” folks are willing to just write off the lives of immigrants. Why aren’t we calling them pro-some-life? 🤔Pro-pre-life? Pro-people-like-us-life? I will not call them pro-life, because they're against providing any assistance to a child once born. I call them "Pro-white-birth," and they repulse me. |
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Post by katlady on Apr 29, 2023 19:50:54 GMT
This makes me sick to my stomach. Those parents. Those children. This country. I read somewhere that other countries are advising their residents not to travel here. Because of mass shootings. I haven’t read that personally but I would certainly pause for thought for that reason. I *know* some will say it’s not that bad, that they’ve never seen a gun where they live or whatever but it looks pretty common from over here. The following countries have issued a travel advisory to the US: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, France, and the UK. New Zealand is mainly concerned about a terrorist attack, while the others state random gun violence. travelnoire.com/amp/us-travel-warnings |
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 29, 2023 19:53:50 GMT
We love Hawaii and while there is less gun violence there, I think we will take our chances with Mexico than with some chimpanzee on a rampage. All “legal” and illegal gun holders are lesser primates. Want to be smart? Get rid of your gun. I take exception to your sweeping generalization. What should a rancher use to get rid of coyotes, or put a broken-legged horse out of his misery? What should a person living in a secluded location have to protect himself/herself against marauding thieves? What should a wheelchair-bound person use for self-defense in the event of a break-in? I believe there is a place for responsible gun ownership. |
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Post by Delta Dawn on Apr 29, 2023 19:55:16 GMT
We love Hawaii and while there is less gun violence there, I think we will take our chances with Mexico than with some chimpanzee on a rampage. All “legal” and illegal gun holders are lesser primates. Want to be smart? Get rid of your gun. I take exception to your sweeping generalization. What should a rancher use to get rid of coyotes, or put a broken-legged horse out of his misery? What should a person living in a secluded location have to protect himself/herself against marauding thieves? What should a wheelchair-bound person use for self-defense in the event of a break-in? I believe there is a place for responsible gun ownership. Unfortunate. Get rid of your guns. |
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Post by lucyg on Apr 29, 2023 19:56:16 GMT
We love Hawaii and while there is less gun violence there, I think we will take our chances with Mexico than with some chimpanzee on a rampage. All “legal” and illegal gun holders are lesser primates. Want to be smart? Get rid of your gun. I am in possession of a gun. I am not a chimpanzee (not that I have anything against chimpanzees, to be honest). |
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Post by lucyg on Apr 29, 2023 19:57:02 GMT
I take exception to your sweeping generalization. What should a rancher use to get rid of coyotes, or put a broken-legged horse out of his misery? What should a person living in a secluded location have to protect himself/herself against marauding thieves? What should a wheelchair-bound person use for self-defense in the event of a break-in? I believe there is a place for responsible gun ownership. Unfortunate. Get rid of your guns. um, no? |
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Post by pinklady on Apr 29, 2023 20:05:34 GMT
We love Hawaii and while there is less gun violence there, I think we will take our chances with Mexico than with some chimpanzee on a rampage. All “legal” and illegal gun holders are lesser primates. Want to be smart? Get rid of your gun. I take exception to your sweeping generalization. What should a rancher use to get rid of coyotes, or put a broken-legged horse out of his misery? What should a person living in a secluded location have to protect himself/herself against marauding thieves? What should a wheelchair-bound person use for self-defense in the event of a break-in? I believe there is a place for responsible gun ownership. Certainly not a fucking assault weapon used in an actual war zone. |
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 29, 2023 20:06:05 GMT
I take exception to your sweeping generalization. What should a rancher use to get rid of coyotes, or put a broken-legged horse out of his misery? What should a person living in a secluded location have to protect himself/herself against marauding thieves? What should a wheelchair-bound person use for self-defense in the event of a break-in? I believe there is a place for responsible gun ownership. Unfortunate. Get rid of your guns. Fortunately, I'm not compelled to obey you. You are entitled to your opinion, with which I am entitled to disagree. |
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Apr 29, 2023 20:43:20 GMT
This makes me sick to my stomach. Those parents. Those children. This country. I read somewhere that other countries are advising their residents not to travel here. Because of mass shootings. Can you blame them? It's never ending. |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 29, 2023 20:49:16 GMT
I take exception to your sweeping generalization. What should a rancher use to get rid of coyotes, or put a broken-legged horse out of his misery? What should a person living in a secluded location have to protect himself/herself against marauding thieves? What should a wheelchair-bound person use for self-defense in the event of a break-in? I believe there is a place for responsible gun ownership. Unfortunate. Get rid of your guns. In the US, this is a non-starter for reducing gun violence. I firmly believe there are a lot of common sense steps that we should take to reduce the number of guns. Federal laws for universal background checks, safety mechanisms like a fingerprint or a 6 digit code, red flag laws, banning high capacity magazines, banning assault weapons, raising age to 21 etc. Also gun manufacturers should not be immune to liability. Just like cigarette manufacturers, they should be held accountable. But, suggesting to get rid of guns entirely will go nowhere. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 29, 2023 20:52:54 GMT
We love Hawaii and while there is less gun violence there, I think we will take our chances with Mexico than with some chimpanzee on a rampage. All “legal” and illegal gun holders are lesser primates. Want to be smart? Get rid of your gun. I take exception to your sweeping generalization. What should a rancher use to get rid of coyotes, or put a broken-legged horse out of his misery? What should a person living in a secluded location have to protect himself/herself against marauding thieves? What should a wheelchair-bound person use for self-defense in the event of a break-in? I believe there is a place for responsible gun ownership. I believe so too. I do not personally care for guns, but I do not have an issue with hunting in season, or owning a firearm for protection. I think that we risk throwing the baby out with the bath water. Universal background checks, requiring people to lock up guns not in use-and stiff penalties for not doing so; and banning assault type weapons are common sense measures that would reduce mass killings. Would there still be murders? Yes, but hopefully not nearly as many. www.vox.com/politics/2023/3/28/23660290/louisville-shooting-biden-assault-weapon-ban |
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