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Post by candleangie on Jun 14, 2023 4:30:28 GMT
I keep seeing people trip on how to correctly refer to someone who is transgender, and I know most of this board is respectful, well meaning, and wants to get it right.
Clarification: You simply refer to them as the gender they are currently presenting.
A person who was born male and has transitioned to female is a transgender woman.
A person who was born female and has transitioned to male is a transgender man.
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Post by ntsf on Jun 14, 2023 4:37:50 GMT
never hurts to remind people!!!
happy pride month
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Post by busy on Jun 14, 2023 4:40:32 GMT
It’s also just transgender (or trans), not transgendered.
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Post by candleangie on Jun 14, 2023 4:53:50 GMT
It’s also just transgender (or trans), not transgendered. Thank you! I fixed it. ❤️
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Post by caangel on Jun 14, 2023 5:18:20 GMT
It’s also just transgender (or trans), not transgendered. Thank you! I fixed it. ❤️ You may want to do the title too.
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Post by candleangie on Jun 14, 2023 6:14:34 GMT
Thank you! I fixed it. ❤️ You may want to do the title too. Fixed! Thank you!!
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Post by jennoconnell on Jun 14, 2023 8:25:30 GMT
I have been advised by those who would know that a good way to broach the subject is to offer your own name and pronouns first. "Hi, My name is Jennifer. My pronouns are she/her." That will often prompt the person to respond with their name and pronouns. And if you ever aren't sure or can't remember how someone wants to be addressed, it's okay to respectfully ask them. "What are your pronouns?" or "Remind me, what are your pronouns?"
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Post by uksue on Jun 14, 2023 12:49:32 GMT
My son's girlfriend is trans. Maybe she's unusual but she is very laid back about this. I have to say when I see what some say about Trans people publicly I really hurt on her behalf. I honestly thought we were at a stage in our evolution where we take people as they are, how they behave etc- not on their skin colour,sexuality, religious or political beliefs or gender.If only!
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Post by librarylady on Jun 14, 2023 14:20:49 GMT
What if I am confused?
My niece announced her daughter wanted to be called Jasper now and use the pronoun "they." I interpreted that to mean Jasper was now trans. However now Jasper and niece want me to tag along as Jasper wants to shop for jewelry. Photos came showing Jasper going to the prom in a gown. So, I am not sure just what is going on.
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Post by melanell on Jun 14, 2023 14:27:50 GMT
What if I am confused? My niece announced her daughter wanted to be called Jasper now and use the pronoun "they." I interpreted that to mean Jasper was now trans. However now Jasper and niece want me to tag along as Jasper wants to shop for jewelry. Photos came showing Jasper going to the prom in a gown. So, I am not sure just what is going on. It may mean they simply don't wish to be slotted into one box, so to speak. They want to be free to do as they wish with no pre-conceived gender-based expectations. Of course it may also mean quite a bit more than that, instead. Perhaps a chat with your niece might shed more light, or perhaps Jasper has given all the info they wish to give at the moment, and they may share more in the future. If I were your niece, and someone respectfully & kindly asked me if I could offer more info, I'd be fine with that, so long as the person asking was fine with it if my answer was that there was no more info I could give at the moment.
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Post by caangel on Jun 14, 2023 14:29:37 GMT
What if I am confused? My niece announced her daughter wanted to be called Jasper now and use the pronoun "they." I interpreted that to mean Jasper was now trans. However now Jasper and niece want me to tag along as Jasper wants to shop for jewelry. Photos came showing Jasper going to the prom in a gown. So, I am not sure just what is going on. I would give them space to explore who they are without the need to commit to something. They may not know where they fall on the gender spectrum just that it is not full blown cis female. Teens have a lot of physical, chemical and social changes they are going through. Let them explore who they are as things change without having to know "the answer". Could this be a "phase", possibly, but I think it is important to show acceptance for all that could be.
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Post by librarylady on Jun 14, 2023 14:34:37 GMT
You are confirming what I decided--that Jasper was fluid in sexuality. I also wondered if she just is not sure yet. I plan to just "go with the flow."
Many years ago I told someone that unless I planned to have sex with __ it was not really a concern of mine, and I think that holds true for this situation as well. (Someone wanted me to speculate about whether XX was gay or not.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 14:37:48 GMT
You are confirming what I decided--that Jasper was fluid in sexuality. I also wondered if she just is not sure yet. I plan to just "go with the flow." Many years ago I told someone that unless I planned to have sex with __ it was not really a concern of mine, and I think that holds true for this situation as well. (Someone wanted me to speculate about whether XX was gay or not.) No, fluid in gender, not sexuality. Two different things.
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Post by peabay on Jun 14, 2023 14:43:48 GMT
What if I am confused? My niece announced her daughter wanted to be called Jasper now and use the pronoun "they." I interpreted that to mean Jasper was now trans. However now Jasper and niece want me to tag along as Jasper wants to shop for jewelry. Photos came showing Jasper going to the prom in a gown. So, I am not sure just what is going on. No worries. Just call them Jasper and tag along if you want. I have 4 super woke daughters who have asked me so many times "what does it matter?" that I've taken that on now as a kind of mantra "does this matter to me? Does this change how I feel about this person? What difference does it make?" My daughter was recently married by someone who is exploring their gender. This person is generally male presenting (assigned male at birth and wears a mustache and beard) but wore a dress to officiate their wedding. Did it matter? No. Did it change how I felt about this person? No. What difference did it make? None - they did a great job at officiating.
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Post by busy on Jun 14, 2023 15:29:35 GMT
What if I am confused? My niece announced her daughter wanted to be called Jasper now and use the pronoun "they." I interpreted that to mean Jasper was now trans. However now Jasper and niece want me to tag along as Jasper wants to shop for jewelry. Photos came showing Jasper going to the prom in a gown. So, I am not sure just what is going on. Jasper may be non-binary or genderfluid or may not have a label for themselves. And that’s all ok and doesn’t really matter for us. Just call them Jasper, use they/them and accept them as they are now and in the future. Identity, of all kinds, can evolve over time.
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Post by Zee on Jun 14, 2023 18:24:06 GMT
I don't think it's as simple as the OP. You can't presume to know how they're "presenting" and that's what confuses people.
I find it's safest to leave any hint of gender out of it though it can still be easy to get tripped up despite our best intentions...
My niece changed her name to a different female sounding name and still looks like a female but now goes by they but has a girlfriend who is she not they... Forgive us old people for getting confused from time to time!
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Post by scraplette on Jun 14, 2023 19:23:43 GMT
I’m at a loss, wondering why I’d ever need to identify any individual this way or another. Unless I was talking about them behind their back?
“Meet my friend Steph” seems sufficient.
Agree @zee
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Post by supersoda on Jun 14, 2023 20:21:52 GMT
Just wanted to pop in and say that the gender-neutral term for a niece or nephew is nibling and I love that so much!
I have a non-binary kid and a non-binary nibling. My non-binary kid has a non-binary personfriend and we're still trying to figure out the best word for them. Right now "partner" is the default but that sounds so much more serious than boyfriend or girlfriend.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jun 14, 2023 21:18:56 GMT
I had a conversation with a family member because they think that by allowing a child (they said someone under 16) to "choose their gender" would then lead to pedophiles stating that if they can decide their gender, they can decide to have consensual sex. This is their fear and they think that this has been the plan all along.
I said "well, then maybe we should just do away with the terms assigned at birth and just be called 'human'". He agreed to that.
I had never heard the argument they presented and almost had a Twilight Zone type experience when it was said.
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Post by iowgirl on Jun 14, 2023 21:20:35 GMT
Just wanted to pop in and say that the gender-neutral term for a niece or nephew is nibling and I love that so much! Interesting. I've always called young ones in my family "Niblets" - which are small kernels of corn.
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Post by Zee on Jun 14, 2023 21:20:51 GMT
Just wanted to pop in and say that the gender-neutral term for a niece or nephew is nibling and I love that so much! I have a non-binary kid and a non-binary nibling. My non-binary kid has a non-binary personfriend and we're still trying to figure out the best word for them. Right now "partner" is the default but that sounds so much more serious than boyfriend or girlfriend. I'm not a huge fan of that. My former niece had never heard of it and we agreed it sounds like corn. Like Green Giant niblets. Lol!
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Post by gryroagain on Jun 14, 2023 22:38:33 GMT
I’ve transitioned (ha! See what I did there?😂 god I’m a dork) to using they for pretty much anyone I’m talking about that I don’t really know. And even people I do know actually, in third party conversation. It’s actually really nice not being gendered in conversation I’ve found, it takes away quite a few expectations and biases. And since I don’t know these people enough to know what they prefer they is a great catch all.
I didn’t realize how much I’d enjoy a gender neutral pronoun, even though I’m not gender neutral at all. So thanks kids, I fell into the habit after my daughter started using it for everyone and I really like it.
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Post by candleangie on Jun 14, 2023 22:57:28 GMT
I don't think it's as simple as the OP. You can't presume to know how they're "presenting" and that's what confuses people. I find it's safest to leave any hint of gender out of it though it can still be easy to get tripped up despite our best intentions... My niece changed her name to a different female sounding name and still looks like a female but now goes by they but has a girlfriend who is she not they... Forgive us old people for getting confused from time to time! This was definitely not meant as a hand slap. As you can see from The first several posts, we’re all learning as we go! 😉 I’m more talking about here on the board. When someone knows that a person is transgender, but seem confused about how to communicate their gender correctly. I was just hoping to help eliminate that small internal squirm of “oh gosh, did I say that right?” For a few people.
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Post by peaname on Jun 15, 2023 1:54:15 GMT
I am open to respecting people’s wishes but I have such a hard time with using they because it doesn’t sound grammatically correct.
When does Tory graduate? They graduate on Thursday.
I’m much more likely to say Tory graduates on Thursday so i can get around sounding wrong.
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Post by MichyM on Jun 15, 2023 2:15:54 GMT
I am open to respecting people’s wishes but I have such a hard time with using they because it doesn’t sound grammatically correct. When does Tory graduate? They graduate on Thursday. I’m much more likely to say Tory graduates on Thursday so i can get around sounding wrong. The more you say it, the easier it’ll become. Promise. Really! I don't believe avoiding it does anyone any good.
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Post by don on Jun 15, 2023 2:42:58 GMT
Here on the board, as far as I know, people are referred to by their screen name. It seems to me, 75% or so don't have a photo, so who's to know, or in my case care?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 15, 2023 4:08:41 GMT
What if I am confused? My niece announced her daughter wanted to be called Jasper now and use the pronoun "they." I interpreted that to mean Jasper was now trans. However now Jasper and niece want me to tag along as Jasper wants to shop for jewelry. Photos came showing Jasper going to the prom in a gown. So, I am not sure just what is going on. This is where I sit too. I have a 20-something trans nephew who now goes by a somewhat gender neutral first name and he/him pronouns which we’re all cool with. What’s confusing is when his mom posts pics of him in a long formal dress / makeup / long hair but definitely looks male otherwise, so??? Doesn’t matter to me at all, but it is a little confusing.
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Post by busy on Jun 15, 2023 4:15:34 GMT
What if I am confused? My niece announced her daughter wanted to be called Jasper now and use the pronoun "they." I interpreted that to mean Jasper was now trans. However now Jasper and niece want me to tag along as Jasper wants to shop for jewelry. Photos came showing Jasper going to the prom in a gown. So, I am not sure just what is going on. This is where I sit too. I have a 20-something trans nephew who now goes by a somewhat gender neutral first name and he/him pronouns which we’re all cool with. What’s confusing is when his mom posts pics of him in a long formal dress / makeup / long hair but definitely looks male otherwise, so??? Doesn’t matter to me at all, but it is a little confusing. He's told you he's trans, his name and his pronouns. That's what you need to know. How he chooses to dress doesn't determine his gender. We need to stop making gender assumptions based on appearance, period.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jun 15, 2023 4:53:07 GMT
I accidentally called a friend’s trans son they (they were non binary a month before) and the mother and son flipped the fuck out at me for referring to him in his previous non-gendered way by accident.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 11:14:23 GMT
I keep seeing people trip on how to correctly refer to someone who is transgender, and I know most of this board is respectful, well meaning, and wants to get it right. Clarification: You simply refer to them as the gender they are currently presenting. A person who was born male and has transitioned to female is a transgender woman. A person who was born female and has transitioned to male is a transgender man. I'll ask a dumb question...are your statements in conflict with each other at all? The first statement says refer to them as the gender they are presenting but then the following statements say to refer to them as transgender woman and man. Isn't that identifying them as not just the gender they are presenting as, but instead putting a qualifier on it? Or is there some context you are referring to? Much like with a name change, a person who was once Bob and is now Mary, you would just call them Mary, not Mary nee Bob.
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