naby64
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Post by naby64 on Jun 21, 2023 16:38:08 GMT
which would be better for getting through customs? Or does it matter?
I am heading over the big pond in October. My route will be US to Paris to Biarritz to my destination. OR Madrid, then Pamplona, then to my destination. Money wise it's about the same. So nothing to save there. I need most likely a night to acclimatize and rest from the travel. I don't have a lot of time to "waste" and need to be on the move.
If you have traveled through either of these airports from the US, how was customs? I am in a FB group and some said it was 3-4 minutes and a couple have said 1-2 hours. My time line from landing to next flight in Paris is about 6 hours. Flying into Madrid, I only have about 4 hours. I have only been through customs coming back from Mexico on a cruise, so it was basically in and out.
Also, in either of the airports is one easier to navigate than the other? Helpful personnel? I will know some basic language but will not be fluent in either. I don't want to be one of "those" Americans that expect everyone to speak English but I will need some help, I think.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 21, 2023 18:11:01 GMT
My vote will always be for Paris. I love it!
Ive not flown into Madrid, but you will find English spoken at both airports. After the local language, most people in tourist areas speak at least a little English. Greet them in their language with hello and ask politely if they speak English. If you are polite and they are offended by that question while in an airport, that’s on them. (99.9% won’t be offended.)
Customs times will vary with the time of day and the staffing. October is a great time to visit Europe. The crowds will be less and the weather is still nice. Both 4 hours or 6 hours should be very adequate to get through customs with plenty of time to make your flight.
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valincal
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Post by valincal on Jun 21, 2023 18:18:40 GMT
I flew into Paris last week and it was pretty quick getting through passport control even though they had a system problem and the automatic gates weren’t working properly. We went through an agent and he didn’t even scan my passport. Or look up or say a word. 😄
Unfortunately we had rented a car and we were stuck in the circle of hell around Paris for two hours before we finally popped out toward Bordeaux, our destination. Several days and bottles of wine later, all is forgiven. 😄
I haven’t ever flown into Madrid.
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Post by pilcas on Jun 21, 2023 18:25:47 GMT
You will most likely get in to Madrid very early in the morning so there should not be much of an issue with customs at that time from what I remember. I would go by the total amount of travel hours, including layovers. If the final destination is closer to France than to Spain then it seems a waste of time to go south and the head north again but your wait hours are longer in Oaris, so I would go by total travel hours.
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Post by iluvpink on Jun 21, 2023 18:38:36 GMT
We flew through Paris last month and it was easy! Our flight to Paris was even late and we were a bit scrunched for time, but we sped right through everything and made it no problem. And everyone was SO nice which wasn't what I had heard.
Our other flight was through Amsterdam and we found it harder to navigate and the people not at all friendly.
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Post by smasonnc on Jun 21, 2023 19:16:34 GMT
I've flown into both and it was easy.
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Post by sueg on Jun 21, 2023 23:43:04 GMT
Madrid airport is not as large as Paris, so that is a factor in how much time you need. I've never had to go through customs at either or transit, as I've only flown in and out on a within EU flight. All signage in the airports - and this is true pretty much across Europe - will be in the local language and English. In all my years of traveling, I have found airports seem to err on the side of MORE when it comes to signs. As to not speaking the local language - be polite and not loud and shouty. In tourist places, there will be people who speak English, if you need to ask for help. As someone else said, saying Hello in the local language, then asking if they speak English will get you a better response than just barging up to someone and speaking in English. One 'advantage' of speaking English is that it tends to be most European's second language, so many speak it and it is also used as a 'bridge' language - I have heard many conversations where, for example, a German and Spaniard speak to each other in English as that is the only language they have in common. It's not just the Americans (and Brits, and Aussies) speaking English!
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Post by smasonnc on Jun 22, 2023 12:05:04 GMT
As to not speaking the local language - be polite and not loud and shouty. In tourist places, there will be people who speak English, if you need to ask for help. As someone else said, saying Hello in the local language, then asking if they speak English will get you a better response than just barging up to someone and speaking in English. That's a reason to choose Paris over Madrid. We've spent a lot of time in Madrid and they're not particularly helpful with English speakers. Paris has a reputation for being snooty about people who don't speak French, but in the tourist areas they're actually nice if you at least try and aren't loud or demanding.
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Post by scrappinmama on Jun 22, 2023 13:26:32 GMT
I had a bad experience with one very unfriendly staff member in a train station in Paris, but all other contact was perfectly fine. My husband travels a lot for business and has a lot of experience with airports. He hates flying out of Paris. A couple of times it took him hours to clear security. I can't remember if it was a strike or what happened. Whatever you decide, use Google translator to help you communicate. Almost everyone will be kind if you at least make an attempt. Well except for the extremely mean lady who worked in the ticket booth at the Paris train station.
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Post by auntkelly on Jun 22, 2023 15:49:07 GMT
You will most likely get in to Madrid very early in the morning so there should not be much of an issue with customs at that time from what I remember. I would go by the total amount of travel hours, including layovers. If the final destination is closer to France than to Spain then it seems a waste of time to go south and the head north again but your wait hours are longer in Oaris, so I would go by total travel hours. I think looking at the total travel time is great advice. I'm not a seasoned traveller, but I have been through customs at both of those airports and don't remember having any problems at either one. It seems like so much about getting through customs quickly is dependent upon factors you really can't predict such as who happens to be working that day, what time your flight comes in, other planes arriving just before your plane, computer malfunctions, heightened security alerts, etc.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 22, 2023 16:39:11 GMT
As a citizen from the EU, I can't really help you with the customs question although travelling in October means you won't deal with the extremely busy peak tourism season in either airport.
For purely travel/sightseeing reasons, I'd go with Madrid. I absolutely love Spain in October for the climate, the colours of nature, the sunshine, etc. If you know or learn some basic Spanish by then and use a translator app on your phone, it shouldn't be a problem whatsoever making your way to your destination between Biarritz and Pamplona.
Both routes will be scenic and nice so pick as you please. Are you renting a car to go to your destination or taking the train? The train situation should be your deciding factor if you aren't driving.
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Post by naby64 on Jun 22, 2023 16:50:39 GMT
As a citizen from the EU, I can't really help you with the customs question although travelling in October means you won't deal with the extremely busy peak tourism season in either airport. For purely travel/sightseeing reasons, I'd go with Madrid. I absolutely love Spain in October for the climate, the colours of nature, the sunshine, etc. If you know or learn some basic Spanish by then and use a translator app on your phone, it shouldn't be a problem whatsoever making your way to your destination between Biarritz and Pamplona. Both routes will be scenic and nice so pick as you please. Are you renting a car to go to your destination or taking the train? The train situation should be your deciding factor if you aren't driving. I am learning Spanish and French with Duolingo. I really want to be able to communicate, if not fully converse. I am walking El Camino de Santiago, the Frances way. So I am flying into one of the main airports listed and then traversing by small plane, bus or train to St Jean Pied de Port. I will walk across the Pyrenees into Spain and then all the way to Santiago de Compostela. I am doing a 14 day itinerary, which means I am doing the beginning to Logrono or Navarette. Rest day, and then bus to Sarria to complete the walk. I'll fly out of Madrid back to the States.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 22, 2023 17:15:23 GMT
Both routes will be scenic and nice so pick as you please. Are you renting a car to go to your destination or taking the train? The train situation should be your deciding factor if you aren't driving. I am learning Spanish and French with Duolingo. I really want to be able to communicate, if not fully converse. I am walking El Camino de Santiago, the Frances way. So I am flying into one of the main airports listed and then traversing by small plane, bus or train to St Jean Pied de Port. I will walk across the Pyrenees into Spain and then all the way to Santiago de Compostela. I am doing a 14 day itinerary, which means I am doing the beginning to Logrono or Navarette. Rest day, and then bus to Sarria to complete the walk. I'll fly out of Madrid back to the States. I was wondering whether it was the Camino de Santiago... I think for the experience of the trip as a whole, it would indeed be nicer to fly into Paris in that case. You'll get to do both airports and prolong your from-France-to-Spain route that way. From Paris to Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port appears to be a little over 6h by train. Super easy and a great way to enjoy the changing landscape while you rest. Absolutely my favourite way to travel over here! The Conqueror has the Camino challenge with a beautiful medal. I think it'd be super fun to do a virtual challenge IRL. Maybe something to look into before you leave so you can start the challenge as you begin your walk?
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Post by naby64 on Jun 22, 2023 17:34:24 GMT
sleepingbooty I have thought about the medal. I did the virtual Angkor Wat medal. The medal is gorgeous! Since I am not walking the entire 772 km while there, I could use my training walks to gain ground. I'm losing a bit as I bus to Sarria. So I could use the actual miles walked while there and the training ones to equal the total for the medal. Ohhhhh, I just looked at that medal. It's really nice. So thank you!! I am signing up. I will get my mileage together that I will be walking there and then walk the rest leading up. That way, when I am really finished, I can input that final kilometer into the app and get it shortly after I get home.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 22, 2023 17:59:02 GMT
sleepingbooty I have thought about the medal. I did the virtual Angkor Wat medal. [...] Ohhhhh, I just looked at that medal. It's really nice. So thank you!! I am signing up. I will get my mileage together that I will be walking there and then walk the rest leading up. That way, when I am really finished, I can input that final kilometer into the app and get it shortly after I get home. This sounds like a great plan and a beautiful way to earn this pretty medal. I love that they focused on the scallop shell for the back. Very striking. I hope you'll keep us in the loop re: final decision for the arrival airport and trip in general. It's a beautiful time of the year to be doing this walk. I live on the French Mediterranean shore and that late-late summer is usually lovely. I'd love to hear more about your Camino experience.
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Post by wellway on Jun 22, 2023 18:15:18 GMT
naby64, if it is of interest and you can find it on a tv service, the BBC have a series called Pilgrimage. It follows six celebs, known in the UK, who are different faiths or no faith, trekking together as a group along pilgrimage routes. The first one was Camino de Santiago. The celebs change for each pilgrimage. We currently watching The Road through Portugal, which leads to Fatima. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrimage_(TV_series)
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Post by naby64 on Jun 22, 2023 18:26:56 GMT
wellway thanks!! I'll look to see where I can find it and give it a go.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 22, 2023 20:08:21 GMT
We have good friends who hiked the Camino with her husband and another couple in the fall of 2019. She filmed daily and posted it on YouTube as they went along their journey. She also has packing videos and videos from their Appalachian Trail through hike as well as other hikes. She’s currently hiking part of the AT with a friend of hers who had her hike interrupted due to Covid and wasn’t able to complete it that year due the support services along trail shutting down and then needing to get back to her job. Campfire ConfidentialIf you go into the playlists, she has their different hikes sorted nicely for you. DH biked the section from outside Amsterdam to Paris during Covid. His stamps are hit and miss because not everything was open at the time, but when a stamp station was open they would get so excited to stamp his book. He got several blessing from the priests along the way. Some day he’ll do the Camino del Norte!
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Post by carhoch on Jun 22, 2023 20:11:45 GMT
I don’t think it makes any difference.
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Post by naby64 on Jun 22, 2023 21:10:20 GMT
basket1lady thanks for the link!! I am always looking for some new playlists! The AT is sort of on my radar to hike a section at a time. I wouldn't be able to hike it all at once. I'll check them out!
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 22, 2023 21:29:52 GMT
basket1lady thanks for the link!! I am always looking for some new playlists! The AT is sort of on my radar to hike a section at a time. I wouldn't be able to hike it all at once. I'll check them out! They are in their mid 60s, but have been active all their lives. Her videos are calm and full of nature, animals, and reviews of the accommodations where they stayed. And food!
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Post by sawwhet on Jun 23, 2023 13:14:43 GMT
Every time I fly through Paris, I end up with a body scan. It's the only place in the world where I've been scanned and more than once LOL. My kids think it's hysterical.
Enjoy your trip.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Jun 23, 2023 14:27:40 GMT
We must have been the lucky ones because when we flew into Paris, on a Thursday, it took 3 hours to get through customs. Yeah, that was fun. We were told that is very unusual for the Charles de Gaulle airport. The staff were not really that friendly, but having people that backed up can make anyone crabby.
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