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Post by morecowbell on Jul 3, 2023 6:34:23 GMT
If he got it wrong, that's not good. It's not hateful to state facts and get them wrong, but it certainly didn't help. I'm looking more into him and how he got it wrong. Did you have a chance to look into him? Did you figure out how he got it wrong? Or do you have facts and evidence that either of them are reliable sources? Yes, I did. LINK In an article by Nestor de Buen of Merion West (rated least biased, and high factual reporting by the bias rating site) ...he states "Both of Ngo’s original claims are technically factual, but they are highly statistically misleading." and "A 2017 study on transgender homicide rates published in the American Journal of Public Health acknowledges that the first part of the tweet is true." and "We already know that the majority of these homicides are not linked to transphobia; that accounts for only four." He says: "the statistical nuances behind Ngo’s claim are not so complicated that only someone with advanced knowledge in the field could comprehend them." And then he goes on to write a book on how that is so. Complete with a lot of statistics run through algebraic equations and a long diatribe on statistics on men and women buying vinyl records. So he concludes: "I have to believe that the reason is bad faith rather than plain lack of knowledge of statistics." He also finds reason to dismiss prominent intellectuals who believe it was a politically motivated Twitter suspension. "Public intellectuals like Christina Hoff Sommers and Peter Boghossian quickly denounced the suspension as a politically correct action by Twitter, targeting Ngo for stating uncomfortable facts." So Andy Ngo's tweet was factually correct, but nuances, the vinyl record buying habits of men vs. women, and statistics run through algebraic equations, make it incorrect. So it would seem, depending on which narrative you prefer, he was either ignorant of statistics, but wanted people to know that "America is one of the safest countries for trans people" or he's a hateful, evil goblin roaming the earth waiting for hell to swallow him up. I'm going with the former, based on the fact that the guy that thinks it was politically motivated even says he was factually correct and also based on your source: " When reporting, Ngo reaches out to sources on both the left and right in order to secure quotes and perspectives from people on both sides of the political spectrum. Ngo often chooses to report on topics that those on the center-right would view as the excesses of the progressive movement, such as hate crime hoaxes and violence by far-Left political groups." You do you though, whatever pitches your tent.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 3, 2023 6:44:30 GMT
Guess I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for facts or evidence. What an odd thing to say. I've been out living life. Is that a foreign concept to you, or something?🤔
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 3, 2023 16:55:16 GMT
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 3, 2023 18:24:19 GMT
He's right. So quit assigning it to every person that doesn't fall in line with the mindless parroting of pro-LGBTQ/drag queen. That's just as ignorant and bigoted.
Engage your brain a little and realize you can want to protect children from age inappropriate sexual content AND be pro-LGBTQ/drag.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 3, 2023 20:23:11 GMT
He's right. So quit assigning it to every person that doesn't fall in line with the mindless parroting of pro-LGBTQ/drag queen. That's just as ignorant and bigoted.
Engage your brain a little and realize you can want to protect children from age inappropriate sexual content AND be pro-LGBTQ/drag.
Engage your brain and ponder this for a minute. Who takes these kids to drag shows? If there is inappropriate content at said show who is responsible for removing the kids from the show if they don’t want them exposed to it? As far as I know there isn’t any type of magic spell forcing people to bring kids to drag shows with inappropriate content. It always has been and continues to be the responsibility of the parents to decide what their kids are exposed to. No one else and especially not the government. But because some people are insecure about themselves they go after groups they have a problem with. And to justify these types of witch hunts they manufacture things that just don’t exist. And yes drag shows should be more upfront about their content but at the end of the day it’s still the parents responsibility to decide what their kids are exposed to. Including leaving during a performance if they think it’s inappropriate for their kids to watch. I’m not a fan of drag queens and as such never been to a show or have any desire to go to one. And that’s my choice. Just like it’s the parents choice if they want to take their kids to see them. I don’t like or dislike them because they don’t personally affect me one way or the other. I have a “whatever floats your boat” attitude toward them. But what we have is a bunch of moral busybodies deciding what’s best for others based on their own insecurities/beliefs. In the process of trying to stamp out drag queens they are ignoring the parents responsibilities when it comes to what to expose their kids to. And let’s be clear here the moral busybodies want to wipe the LGBTQ/drag community off the face of the earth. And they are looking for ways to do it and it doesn’t matter to them how it’s done or if their justification is based on fact as long as they succeed. And you appear to have fallen in with their narrative while conveniently ignoring the responsibility the parents have in all this.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 3, 2023 20:37:06 GMT
He's right. So quit assigning it to every person that doesn't fall in line with the mindless parroting of pro-LGBTQ/drag queen. That's just as ignorant and bigoted.
Engage your brain a little and realize you can want to protect children from age inappropriate sexual content AND be pro-LGBTQ/drag.
Engage your brain and ponder this for a minute. Who takes these kids to drag shows? If there is inappropriate content at said show who is responsible for removing the kids from the show if they don’t want them exposed to it? As far as I know there isn’t any type of magic spell forcing people to bring kids to drag shows with inappropriate content. It always has been and continues to be the responsibility of the parents to decide what their kids are exposed to. No one else and especially not the government. But because some people are insecure about themselves they go after groups they have a problem with. And to justify these types of witch hunts they manufacture things that just don’t exist. And yes drag shows should be more upfront about their content but at the end of the day it’s still the parents responsibility to decide what their kids are exposed to. Including leaving during a performance if they think it’s inappropriate for their kids to watch. I’m not a fan of drag queens and as such never been to a show or have any desire to go to one. And that’s my choice. Just like it’s the parents choice if they want to take their kids to see them. I don’t like or dislike them because they don’t personally affect me one way or the other. I have a “whatever floats your boat” attitude toward them. But what we have is a bunch of moral busybodies deciding what’s best for others based on their own insecurities/beliefs. In the process of trying to stamp out drag queens they are ignoring the parents responsibilities when it comes to what to expose their kids to. And let’s be clear here the moral busybodies want to wipe the LGBTQ/drag community off the face of the earth. And they are looking for ways to do it and it doesn’t matter to them how it’s done or if their justification is based on fact as long as they succeed. And you appear to have fallen in with their narrative while conveniently ignoring the responsibility the parents have in all this. No, I haven't ignored the parents responsibility in this. But you're ignoring the drag queens and show promoters responsibility in all of this. As I said:
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 3, 2023 22:11:54 GMT
Engage your brain and ponder this for a minute. Who takes these kids to drag shows? If there is inappropriate content at said show who is responsible for removing the kids from the show if they don’t want them exposed to it? As far as I know there isn’t any type of magic spell forcing people to bring kids to drag shows with inappropriate content. It always has been and continues to be the responsibility of the parents to decide what their kids are exposed to. No one else and especially not the government. But because some people are insecure about themselves they go after groups they have a problem with. And to justify these types of witch hunts they manufacture things that just don’t exist. And yes drag shows should be more upfront about their content but at the end of the day it’s still the parents responsibility to decide what their kids are exposed to. Including leaving during a performance if they think it’s inappropriate for their kids to watch. I’m not a fan of drag queens and as such never been to a show or have any desire to go to one. And that’s my choice. Just like it’s the parents choice if they want to take their kids to see them. I don’t like or dislike them because they don’t personally affect me one way or the other. I have a “whatever floats your boat” attitude toward them. But what we have is a bunch of moral busybodies deciding what’s best for others based on their own insecurities/beliefs. In the process of trying to stamp out drag queens they are ignoring the parents responsibilities when it comes to what to expose their kids to. And let’s be clear here the moral busybodies want to wipe the LGBTQ/drag community off the face of the earth. And they are looking for ways to do it and it doesn’t matter to them how it’s done or if their justification is based on fact as long as they succeed. And you appear to have fallen in with their narrative while conveniently ignoring the responsibility the parents have in all this. No, I haven't ignored the parents responsibility in this. But you're ignoring the drag queens and show promoters responsibility in all of this. As I said: I said the drag queens show could do better. BUT at the end of the day it falls on the parents to decide what their children do or do not experience. And if the moral busybodies have a problem with “clueless mothers” then send child protection services out to investigate. As to this part below, there are worst things parents are exposing their kids to that are potentially more damaging to the kids. Or I should say more deadly like guns. ” teaching their children that it's normal to let strangers show off their private parts to you. That it's normal for adults to talk about their sexual encounters to you, and simulate sex in front of you. That's hideous.”
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 3, 2023 22:29:39 GMT
No, I haven't ignored the parents responsibility in this. But you're ignoring the drag queens and show promoters responsibility in all of this. As I said: I said the drag queens show could do better. BUT at the end of the day it falls on the parents to decide what their children do or do not experience. And if the moral busybodies have a problem with “clueless mothers” then send child protection services out to investigate. As to this part below, there are worst things parents are exposing their kids to that are potentially more damaging to the kids. Or I should say more deadly like guns. ” teaching their children that it's normal to let strangers show off their private parts to you. That it's normal for adults to talk about their sexual encounters to you, and simulate sex in front of you. That's hideous.”It doesn't help a child being taught these dangerous lessons to rationalize it by saying "guns are worse". Guns do not have a place in this conversation as anything more than, "yeah, but..." which is absolutely useless in this problem.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 4, 2023 0:47:37 GMT
I said the drag queens show could do better. BUT at the end of the day it falls on the parents to decide what their children do or do not experience. And if the moral busybodies have a problem with “clueless mothers” then send child protection services out to investigate. As to this part below, there are worst things parents are exposing their kids to that are potentially more damaging to the kids. Or I should say more deadly like guns. ” teaching their children that it's normal to let strangers show off their private parts to you. That it's normal for adults to talk about their sexual encounters to you, and simulate sex in front of you. That's hideous.”It doesn't help a child being taught these dangerous lessons to rationalize it by saying "guns are worse". Guns do not have a place in this conversation as anything more than, "yeah, but..." which is absolutely useless in this problem. Sure it does. When I pointed out that it was the responsibility of the parents to decided what their kids watch and not some third party group of moral busybodies you brought in clueless moms. I guess that was your way of saying it’s ok for third party moral busybodies to protect these clueless moms from themselves and save the kids from watching old guys parading around in drag who may or may not be doing suggestive acts on the stage that you find hideous. But here’s the thing about clueless moms and things that are hideous. When raising kids there is a whole spectrum of things to protect kids from. Some more dangerous or damaging than others. The very same moral busybodies that are huffing and puffing about drag queen shows and feel it’s their moral duty to protect these clueless moms are literally ignoring the clueless moms and dads who think it’s ok to exposure their kids to guns or leave them lying around for them to find. Two example. A couple of years ago the parents gave their 5 year old boy his very own rifle. Real gun that was loaded. After the little get together the clues mom leaned the loaded birthday present against the wall and stepped out of the room for a minute. While she was gone the little boy decided to play with his new birthday present and promptly shot and killed his younger sister. And the one where a clueless mom was shopping and had her toddler with her. He was sitting in the basket and decided to reach into mommy’s purse where he discharged mommy’s loaded pistol killing mommy. So you think kids witnessing sexual acts played out on a stage is hideous. Which child do you think will be “scared” for life. A kid watching something on stage they probably don’t understand or if they do have an idea they think it’s funny? Or a child growing up with the knowledge they killed their mother or they killed their sister? This whole thing about drag queens and transgender girls in sports is nothing but a red herring/distraction from the real problems that face this country that the moral busybodies want to ignore. Like too many guns and climate change and the damage these issues are doing to this country now. Not down the road but now. And to be clear the moral busybodies are the Christian Right and Republican State and Federal legislators.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 4, 2023 1:12:58 GMT
ETA sorry, this post was meant to be addressed to morecowbell, not onelasttime. My apologies. No, I haven't ignored the parents responsibility in this. But you're ignoring the drag queens and show promoters responsibility in all of this. As I said: I said the drag queens show could do better. BUT at the end of the day it falls on the parents to decide what their children do or do not experience. And if the moral busybodies have a problem with “clueless mothers” then send child protection services out to investigate. As to this part below, there are worst things parents are exposing their kids to that are potentially more damaging to the kids. Or I should say more deadly like guns. ” teaching their children that it's normal to let strangers show off their private parts to you. That it's normal for adults to talk about their sexual encounters to you, and simulate sex in front of you. That's hideous.”Before we put this topic to rest (it’s reached the highly repetitive stage), just checking back in with you. Do you have such strong feelings about child beauty pageants? Child and teen cheerleading? Adult pastors and youth pastors who behave inappropriately towards their young followers? School districts and states that allow one under-educated parent to demand that non-sexualized books that mention same-sex families or Jim Crow laws be removed from curriculum or libraries? States that require children who are victims of pedophiles to carry their pregnancies to term even though it may cause lifelong injury to their physical and/or mental health? (Don’t even GET me started on this one. Freakin’ misogynists, both men and women. NO concern for the child’s well-being whatsoever.) I am much, MUCH more horrified by all of these than by drag shows. And I’m offended by parents taking children to R-rated movies, which happens quite regularly. I don’t see you being disgusted by that, not publicly on 2peas, anyway. So please forgive our doubts about your sincerity and about your tolerance for LGBTQ people and performers, in general. And I’d still like to know just how many drag shows have been wrongly labeled “family-friendly.” The vast majority are properly labeled and parents have some warning about what they’re taking their children to see. (IF this show actually performed what you’re claiming. Which seems quite unlikely.)
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 4, 2023 15:39:11 GMT
Late to the conversation... What is sexually improper with drag queens reading storey books at the library?
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Post by lucyg on Jul 4, 2023 16:39:51 GMT
Late to the conversation... What is sexually improper with drag queens reading storey books at the library? Some people with no personal experience of Drag Queen Story Time think it’s sexualized and hurting young children whose airhead parents couldn’t care less. 🙄 Spoiler alert: there is nothing sexual about Drag Queen Story Time. It’s totally age-appropriate.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 7, 2023 5:00:14 GMT
It doesn't help a child being taught these dangerous lessons to rationalize it by saying "guns are worse". Guns do not have a place in this conversation as anything more than, "yeah, but..." which is absolutely useless in this problem. Sure it does. When I pointed out that it was the responsibility of the parents to decided what their kids watch and not some third party group of moral busybodies you brought in clueless moms. I guess that was your way of saying it’s ok for third party moral busybodies to protect these clueless moms from themselves and save the kids from watching old guys parading around in drag who may or may not be doing suggestive acts on the stage that you find hideous. But here’s the thing about clueless moms and things that are hideous. When raising kids there is a whole spectrum of things to protect kids from. Some more dangerous or damaging than others. The very same moral busybodies that are huffing and puffing about drag queen shows and feel it’s their moral duty to protect these clueless moms are literally ignoring the clueless moms and dads who think it’s ok to exposure their kids to guns or leave them lying around for them to find. Two example. A couple of years ago the parents gave their 5 year old boy his very own rifle. Real gun that was loaded. After the little get together the clues mom leaned the loaded birthday present against the wall and stepped out of the room for a minute. While she was gone the little boy decided to play with his new birthday present and promptly shot and killed his younger sister. And the one where a clueless mom was shopping and had her toddler with her. He was sitting in the basket and decided to reach into mommy’s purse where he discharged mommy’s loaded pistol killing mommy. So you think kids witnessing sexual acts played out on a stage is hideous. Which child do you think will be “scared” for life. A kid watching something on stage they probably don’t understand or if they do have an idea they think it’s funny? Or a child growing up with the knowledge they killed their mother or they killed their sister? This whole thing about drag queens and transgender girls in sports is nothing but a red herring/distraction from the real problems that face this country that the moral busybodies want to ignore. Like too many guns and climate change and the damage these issues are doing to this country now. Not down the road but now. And to be clear the moral busybodies are the Christian Right and Republican State and Federal legislators. You know damn good and well that I did not say that drag queens or their shows were hideous. I have actually said the opposite. When the facts don't support your claims and all you have left to do, is to introduce different claims and to lie about what I said in order to make a point, then the argument is over and you didn’t make a point... other than the facts don't support Merge's claims and you can’t make them by deflecting.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 7, 2023 5:54:21 GMT
Sure it does. When I pointed out that it was the responsibility of the parents to decided what their kids watch and not some third party group of moral busybodies you brought in clueless moms. I guess that was your way of saying it’s ok for third party moral busybodies to protect these clueless moms from themselves and save the kids from watching old guys parading around in drag who may or may not be doing suggestive acts on the stage that you find hideous. But here’s the thing about clueless moms and things that are hideous. When raising kids there is a whole spectrum of things to protect kids from. Some more dangerous or damaging than others. The very same moral busybodies that are huffing and puffing about drag queen shows and feel it’s their moral duty to protect these clueless moms are literally ignoring the clueless moms and dads who think it’s ok to exposure their kids to guns or leave them lying around for them to find. Two example. A couple of years ago the parents gave their 5 year old boy his very own rifle. Real gun that was loaded. After the little get together the clues mom leaned the loaded birthday present against the wall and stepped out of the room for a minute. While she was gone the little boy decided to play with his new birthday present and promptly shot and killed his younger sister. And the one where a clueless mom was shopping and had her toddler with her. He was sitting in the basket and decided to reach into mommy’s purse where he discharged mommy’s loaded pistol killing mommy. So you think kids witnessing sexual acts played out on a stage is hideous. Which child do you think will be “scared” for life. A kid watching something on stage they probably don’t understand or if they do have an idea they think it’s funny? Or a child growing up with the knowledge they killed their mother or they killed their sister? This whole thing about drag queens and transgender girls in sports is nothing but a red herring/distraction from the real problems that face this country that the moral busybodies want to ignore. Like too many guns and climate change and the damage these issues are doing to this country now. Not down the road but now. And to be clear the moral busybodies are the Christian Right and Republican State and Federal legislators. You know damn good and well that I did not say that drag queens or their shows were hideous. I have actually said the opposite. When the facts don't support your claims and all you have left to do, is to introduce different claims and to lie about what I said in order to make a point, then the argument is over and you didn’t make a point... other than the facts don't support Merge's claims and you can’t make them by deflecting. This is you right? “The drag queens and show promoters who send out the call for children to come watch sexualized shows is not okay.It's sending the message to these clueless mothers who in turn are teaching their children that it's normal to let strangers show off their private parts to you. That it's normal for adults to talk about their sexual encounters to you, and simulate sex in front of you. That's hideous.”Seems pretty clear to me what you meant.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 7, 2023 7:02:00 GMT
You know damn good and well that I did not say that drag queens or their shows were hideous. I have actually said the opposite. When the facts don't support your claims and all you have left to do, is to introduce different claims and to lie about what I said in order to make a point, then the argument is over and you didn’t make a point... other than the facts don't support Merge's claims and you can’t make them by deflecting. This is you right? “The drag queens and show promoters who send out the call for children to come watch sexualized shows is not okay.It's sending the message to these clueless mothers who in turn are teaching their children that it's normal to let strangers show off their private parts to you. That it's normal for adults to talk about their sexual encounters to you, and simulate sex in front of you. That's hideous.”Seems pretty clear to me what you meant. Yes, that is only part of what I said, but the full quote is: "The drag queens and show promoters who send out the call for children to come watch sexualized shows is not okay.
It's sending the message to these clueless mothers who in turn are teaching their children that it's normal to let strangers show off their private parts to you. That it's normal for adults to talk about their sexual encounters to you, and simulate sex in front of you. That's hideous.
And to say so is not hateful to drag queens that don't do that." When you have to leave off part of what I said, in order to pretend that I said the drag queens and their shows are hideous, you're being shady AF. Parents who are teaching children that's it okay for adults to do these sexual things to them AS CHILDREN are hideous.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 7, 2023 21:28:30 GMT
Is this shit still going on? Somebody desperately needs a life.😂🤣😂🤣
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Post by lucyg on Jul 7, 2023 21:31:45 GMT
Again, I think any drag show where they are possibly showing children sexualized content is vanishingly rare. This is not a common problem. Kids shooting other kids, parents, teachers, themselves … now THAT is a much more common problem. I’m going to agree with onelasttime on this one, not morecowbell.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 8, 2023 4:34:15 GMT
Again, I think any drag show where they are possibly showing children sexualized content is vanishingly rare. This is not a common problem. Kids shooting other kids, parents, teachers, themselves … now THAT is a much more common problem. I’m going to agree with onelasttime on this one, not morecowbell . It wasn't "possibly" showing children sexual content. It actually IS showing children sexual content. Despite the false claim that it was from different shows, the evidence doesn't support that claim. I have linked the video more than once, on the other thread. I'll link it again... No amount of denying it, lying about things I said, no amount of falsely attacking the person I linked, or false articles about Sara Gonzales, the other person who exposed it, no amount of introducing other topics is going to make it not so. Despite the claim that merge made, the evidence doesn't support her claim. They did not and do not advertise different shows for different audiences. They stated "All ages welcome. Adult content." This year they have changed it to 18 and up. That particular show was 36 shows throughout the country last year and that was only that particular show. Not to mention how many others there are that aren't the major productions that one was. And how the numbers would have grown without the pushback. So no, not rare enough.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 8, 2023 15:17:11 GMT
Again, I think any drag show where they are possibly showing children sexualized content is vanishingly rare. This is not a common problem. Kids shooting other kids, parents, teachers, themselves … now THAT is a much more common problem. I’m going to agree with onelasttime on this one, not morecowbell . It wasn't "possibly" showing children sexual content. It actually IS showing children sexual content. Despite the false claim that it was from different shows, the evidence doesn't support that claim. I have linked the video more than once, on the other thread. I'll link it again... No amount of denying it, lying about things I said, no amount of falsely attacking the person I linked, or false articles about Sara Gonzales, the other person who exposed it, no amount of introducing other topics is going to make it not so. Despite the claim that merge made, the evidence doesn't support her claim. They did not and do not advertise different shows for different audiences. They stated "All ages welcome. Adult content." This year they have changed it to 18 and up. That particular show was 36 shows throughout the country last year and that was only that particular show. Not to mention how many others there are that aren't the major productions that one was. And how the numbers would have grown without the pushback. So no, not rare enough. *sigh* I don’t have the energy for this. IF I remember correctly (because I am NOT going back to reread the thread) a mainstream news organization investigated her video and said it was faked. She has not denied the claim. (??) On the other hand, her known right-wing activist videographer claims the video has not been edited to insert the fake footage. Who am I going to believe? The real journalists, of course. Not the the right-wing activists with a well-known agenda. In addition, if the country was drowning in young children being exposed to sexualized drag content, I think we’d hear more about it, not just from a random couple of activists who have a history of attacking and doxxing people they disapprove of. (What they did to that poor mom/teacher is horrendous and inexcusable. But no, they’re proud of themselves.) Because contrary to what you appear to believe, there are not a lot of parents out there who choose to expose their young children to highly sexualized content. If you want to continue the debate, go for it. I think I’m pretty much done at this point.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 8, 2023 16:26:08 GMT
There are always two sides to every story. This guy Hansen is a nut case IMO. Your guy morecowbell has his own agenda and apparently is less than honest in his reporting to prove whatever point he is trying to prove. Doesn’t matter if it’s 100% factual or not. From My San Antonio…. link”San Antonio's Starlighter cancels drag shows after anti-LGBTQ+ threats” “A local venue in the Deco District of San Antonio has been forced to cancel future drag shows planned at the space after far right social media accounts spread a false narrative over Twitter. Starlighter said in a statement on Sunday, December 4, that they were made to feel unsafe after being threatened online in comments and other tweets.” The Starlighter's goal has always been to provide a safe all ages space for entertainment and unfortunately we're now being made to feel unsafe in our own space," the statement posted to Instagram on Sunday read. The threats stem from a far right "independent journalist" named Tayler Hansen, who posted video on Twitter of a Christmas drag event for all ages at Starlighter on Friday, December 2. Hansen claimed a child was left unattended and one of the drag queens played with the child's hair. The tweet was shared by an anti-LGBTQ+ organization called Texas Family Project. Starlighter says in the statement that the child was never left unattended or was in any danger. They were the child of a food vendor that was right outside the door of the venue. The child was familiar with both the Starlighter staff and queens and the vendor later posted a photo thanking the queens for treating their child like "a niece." Still, Hansen's tweet has since spurred others calling the drag queens "demonic," while pushing the ongoing unsubstantiated claims from far right groups that gay people are "sexualizing children." Another person tweeted that it was a win in a "culture war." Starlighter canceling drag shows comes days before another anti-LGBTQ+ group plans to protest a Christmas drag show at the Aztec Theatre. Starlighter's claims of being made to feel unsafe come after a mass shooting in a gay club in Colorado during a drag show, killing five and wounding 17 other people in late November.“
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 8, 2023 16:46:08 GMT
From the Texas Tribune…. link
”The Texas Tribune reviewed more than two dozen anti-drag incidents, including protests and online harassment campaigns, that have occurred in the state since the beginning of Pride Month last June. Taken together, they show how a small but influential cadre of activists and extremist groups have fueled anti-drag panic by routinely characterizing all drag as inherently and nefariously sexual regardless of the content or audience. Those claims have then been used to justify harassment and legislation targeting the LGBTQ community as a whole, often under the guise of protecting kids. At least a quarter of the anti-drag incidents have been directed at events that organizers say are not even remotely sexual: drag queen story hours, where performers read children’s books, often at a library or bookstore, in an effort to promote literacy.Prominent anti-drag figures have made it clear that they think drag is obscene — regardless of the context.” Drag queens do not belong around children. Neither does gender ideology,” said Tayler Hansen, who frequently films drag performances while undercover to post online, sometimes dressed as a woman. “I do not believe drag queen story hour is as bad as full-blown drag performances for children, but they are still confusing and have no place in a child’s life.” & ”And while there have been documented instances in which children were present at events that had adult content, drag organizers say activists often selectively focus on a few seconds of risqué dancing or crass jokes that are then pushed into the right-wing mediasphere, prompting harassment, threats and, increasingly, the presence of neo-Nazis and other extremists who say they’d still be there if no kids were present.” & ”But anti-drag protesters have also targeted adults-only events where children were explicitly banned. Other times, they’ve harassed “family friendly” drag events, including drag bingo and other fundraisers for LGBTQ organizations, where raunchy jokes and profanity were scaled back to accommodate younger audience members.” & ”But the most salient right-wing outrage has been targeted at shows that don’t explicitly ban children, or ones that include disclaimers not unlike an R-rated movie. But in the absence of an age limit, activists have told their followers that these performances are targeting children. Such was the case at BuzzBrews last month: The restaurant had hosted its drag brunch almost every week for a year. Most of the online tickets said nothing about age limits — but noted potential “adult humor and language” and urged attendees to “use your own best judgment when purchasing tickets.” That, Protect Texas Kids founder Kelly Neidert said, was tantamount to “encouraging” children to attend.”
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 8, 2023 17:20:41 GMT
It wasn't "possibly" showing children sexual content. It actually IS showing children sexual content. Despite the false claim that it was from different shows, the evidence doesn't support that claim. I have linked the video more than once, on the other thread. I'll link it again... No amount of denying it, lying about things I said, no amount of falsely attacking the person I linked, or false articles about Sara Gonzales, the other person who exposed it, no amount of introducing other topics is going to make it not so. Despite the claim that merge made, the evidence doesn't support her claim. They did not and do not advertise different shows for different audiences. They stated "All ages welcome. Adult content." This year they have changed it to 18 and up. That particular show was 36 shows throughout the country last year and that was only that particular show. Not to mention how many others there are that aren't the major productions that one was. And how the numbers would have grown without the pushback. So no, not rare enough. *sigh* I don’t have the energy for this. IF I remember correctly (because I am NOT going back to reread the thread) a mainstream news organization investigated her video and said it was faked. She has not denied the claim. (??) On the other hand, her known right-wing activist videographer claims the video has not been edited to insert the fake footage. Who am I going to believe? The real journalists, of course. Not the the right-wing activists with a well-known agenda. In addition, if the country was drowning in young children being exposed to sexualized drag content, I think we’d hear more about it, not just from a random couple of activists who have a history of attacking and doxxing people they disapprove of. (What they did to that poor mom/teacher is horrendous and inexcusable. But no, they’re proud of themselves.) Because contrary to what you appear to believe, there are not a lot of parents out there who choose to expose their young children to highly sexualized content. If you want to continue the debate, go for it. I think I’m pretty much done at this point. A story based on the mom who had no defense in exposing her children to a show that wasn't age appropriate for them. The only defense she could come up with, was that it was a different version of the Christmas show. An age appropriate version of the show. So, "she must have edited in a different version". The evidence does not support her claim. The other mom at the same show confirmed that it was age inappropriate, when she acknowledged the simulated sex in the show by saying "they see simulated sex at school ". They did not and do not advertise different shows for different audiences. They stated "All ages welcome. Adult content." I'm glad to see this year they have changed it to 18 and up. Yes, she has and I've linked it here before. On this very thread. How about believing the facts you keep finding endless ways of ignoring or dismissing. It's teaching their children that it's normal to let strangers show off their private parts to you, a child. That it's normal for adults to talk about their sexual encounters to you, a child, and simulate sex in front of you, a child. But it's "not a lot", so if "not a lot" of children are confused about what's okay because of what they learned from this, and anything happens to them, it's okay, because by your logic "it's not a lot"?
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 8, 2023 17:40:49 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 8, 2023 18:20:17 GMT
*sigh* I don’t have the energy for this. It's teaching their children that it's normal to let strangers show off their private parts to you, a child. That it's normal for adults to talk about their sexual encounters to you, a child, and simulate sex in front of you, a child. But it's "not a lot", so if "not a lot" of children are confused about what's okay because of what they learned from this, and anything happens to them, it's okay, because by your logic "it's not a lot"? You keep harping on this bit and ignoring the fact it’s the parents responsibility to decide what their kids are exposed to. Not the drag queens. So if you have a problem with what these kids are being exposed to may I suggest you and your buddy Taylor track down the parents that take their children to drag shows and turn them into Child Protective Services. By the way I saw a snippet of the show at the Starlight Bar that your buddy Taylor “attacked” with apparently less than honest facts. It was this queen strutting across the stage with a coat on. All of a sudden the queen flings open the coat and my first thought looking at was “exposed” that looks like what you see at the beach when a well endowed woman insists on wearing a two piece bathing suit and is having a hard time keeping the “girls” in the cups if you know what I mean.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 8, 2023 18:41:17 GMT
*sigh* I don’t have the energy for this. IF I remember correctly (because I am NOT going back to reread the thread) a mainstream news organization investigated her video and said it was faked. She has not denied the claim. (??) On the other hand, her known right-wing activist videographer claims the video has not been edited to insert the fake footage. Who am I going to believe? The real journalists, of course. Not the the right-wing activists with a well-known agenda. In addition, if the country was drowning in young children being exposed to sexualized drag content, I think we’d hear more about it, not just from a random couple of activists who have a history of attacking and doxxing people they disapprove of. (What they did to that poor mom/teacher is horrendous and inexcusable. But no, they’re proud of themselves.) Because contrary to what you appear to believe, there are not a lot of parents out there who choose to expose their young children to highly sexualized content. If you want to continue the debate, go for it. I think I’m pretty much done at this point. A story based on the mom who had no defense in exposing her children to a show that wasn't age appropriate for them. The only defense she could come up with, was that it was a different version of the Christmas show. An age appropriate version of the show. So, "she must have edited in a different version". The evidence does not support her claim. The other mom at the same show confirmed that it was age inappropriate, when she acknowledged the simulated sex in the show by saying "they see simulated sex at school ". They did not and do not advertise different shows for different audiences. They stated "All ages welcome. Adult content." I'm glad to see this year they have changed it to 18 and up. Yes, she has and I've linked it here before. On this very thread. How about believing the facts you keep finding endless ways of ignoring or dismissing. It's teaching their children that it's normal to let strangers show off their private parts to you, a child. That it's normal for adults to talk about their sexual encounters to you, a child, and simulate sex in front of you, a child. But it's "not a lot", so if "not a lot" of children are confused about what's okay because of what they learned from this, and anything happens to them, it's okay, because by your logic "it's not a lot"? I think you’re having a bad day today. I am not interested in defending myself against someone who supports those who threaten people they disagree with AND misrepresent, creates a huge deal over a minor league event, or trusts activists over actual journalists. Those idiots claiming that this is a widespread problem or that any exposure to trans, drag, or LGBTQ persons is tantamount to “sexualizing children,” and you agreeing with them, makes this entire conversation pointless. And yes, I’m still waiting to see their (and your) outrage over parents who take their young children to R-rated movies. There is virtual sex happening onscreen in most of those movies. No one’s doxxing the actors or movie theater owners or threatening their safety, though. The hypocrisy is astounding. So get as mad at me as you want (the bitterness is dripping through today’s posts) but I’m not going to bow to your rage or your anti-drag delirium. Yes, I’m a terrible person. Go ahead and hate me.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 9, 2023 3:54:08 GMT
A story based on the mom who had no defense in exposing her children to a show that wasn't age appropriate for them. The only defense she could come up with, was that it was a different version of the Christmas show. An age appropriate version of the show. So, "she must have edited in a different version". The evidence does not support her claim. The other mom at the same show confirmed that it was age inappropriate, when she acknowledged the simulated sex in the show by saying "they see simulated sex at school ". They did not and do not advertise different shows for different audiences. They stated "All ages welcome. Adult content." I'm glad to see this year they have changed it to 18 and up. Yes, she has and I've linked it here before. On this very thread. How about believing the facts you keep finding endless ways of ignoring or dismissing. It's teaching their children that it's normal to let strangers show off their private parts to you, a child. That it's normal for adults to talk about their sexual encounters to you, a child, and simulate sex in front of you, a child. But it's "not a lot", so if "not a lot" of children are confused about what's okay because of what they learned from this, and anything happens to them, it's okay, because by your logic "it's not a lot"? I think you’re having a bad day today. I am not interested in defending myself against someone who supports those who threaten people they disagree with AND misrepresent, creates a huge deal over a minor league event, or trusts activists over actual journalists. Those idiots claiming that this is a widespread problem or that any exposure to trans, drag, or LGBTQ persons is tantamount to “sexualizing children,” and you agreeing with them, makes this entire conversation pointless. And yes, I’m still waiting to see their (and your) outrage over parents who take their young children to R-rated movies. There is virtual sex happening onscreen in most of those movies. No one’s doxxing the actors or movie theater owners or threatening their safety, though. The hypocrisy is astounding. So get as mad at me as you want (the bitterness is dripping through today’s posts) but I’m not going to bow to your rage or your anti-drag delirium. Yes, I’m a terrible person. Go ahead and hate me. No, I actually had a very good day. I think you may be projecting. Well, that's clearly not true. No one is advertising for children to come see those movies. There's no hypocrisy there, but the deflection is breathtakingly mediocre. 👏 No, what makes this entire conversation pointless is that has undeniably never been my position and yet, for some reason it's easier for you to peddle lies and employ smear tactics than honestly admit the facts. I'm not bitter, I think you’re projecting again. I'm not mad and I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you being so married to a narrative that you refuse facts. The journalist title isn't some magic thing that prevents people from being wrong. She trusted that mom and got it wrong. The facts absolutely do NOT support the claims. No matter how much you wish it so.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 9, 2023 4:29:38 GMT
I can’t say I disagree with this.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 9, 2023 5:48:39 GMT
I think you’re having a bad day today. I am not interested in defending myself against someone who supports those who threaten people they disagree with AND misrepresent, creates a huge deal over a minor league event, or trusts activists over actual journalists. Those idiots claiming that this is a widespread problem or that any exposure to trans, drag, or LGBTQ persons is tantamount to “sexualizing children,” and you agreeing with them, makes this entire conversation pointless. And yes, I’m still waiting to see their (and your) outrage over parents who take their young children to R-rated movies. There is virtual sex happening onscreen in most of those movies. No one’s doxxing the actors or movie theater owners or threatening their safety, though. The hypocrisy is astounding. So get as mad at me as you want (the bitterness is dripping through today’s posts) but I’m not going to bow to your rage or your anti-drag delirium. Yes, I’m a terrible person. Go ahead and hate me. No, I actually had a very good day. I think you may be projecting. Well, that's clearly not true. No one is advertising for children to come see those movies. There's no hypocrisy there, but the deflection is breathtakingly mediocre. 👏 No, what makes this entire conversation pointless is that has undeniably never been my position and yet, for some reason it's easier for you to peddle lies and employ smear tactics than honestly admit the facts. I'm not bitter, I think you’re projecting again. I'm not mad and I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you being so married to a narrative that you refuse facts. The journalist title isn't some magic thing that prevents people from being wrong. She trusted that mom and got it wrong. The facts absolutely do NOT support the claims. No matter how much you wish it so. Still raging, I see. Go check out your post in the AITA thread, in addition to your posts here, and then tell me again about how you’re having a good day.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 9, 2023 22:39:31 GMT
No, I actually had a very good day. I think you may be projecting. Well, that's clearly not true. No one is advertising for children to come see those movies. There's no hypocrisy there, but the deflection is breathtakingly mediocre. 👏 No, what makes this entire conversation pointless is that has undeniably never been my position and yet, for some reason it's easier for you to peddle lies and employ smear tactics than honestly admit the facts. I'm not bitter, I think you’re projecting again. I'm not mad and I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you being so married to a narrative that you refuse facts. The journalist title isn't some magic thing that prevents people from being wrong. She trusted that mom and got it wrong. The facts absolutely do NOT support the claims. No matter how much you wish it so. Still raging, I see. Go check out your post in the AITA thread, in addition to your posts here, and then tell me again about how you’re having a good day. Hmmm, no. Not an ounce of rage or anything like that, thanks for your concern.🤔 Yes, it is a great example, just not the way you wanted it to be. You wanted so badly for me to see that. I did and conceded. Yet when the OP turns out not to be true, you refuse the facts and turn it into a smear campaign. Having another good day, thanks again. I do hope you can get some help with that rage, bitterness, hate or whatever it is that you have and are projecting.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 10, 2023 4:55:03 GMT
Still raging, I see. Go check out your post in the AITA thread, in addition to your posts here, and then tell me again about how you’re having a good day. Hmmm, no. Not an ounce of rage or anything like that, thanks for your concern.🤔 Yes, it is a great example, just not the way you wanted it to be. You wanted so badly for me to see that. I did and conceded. Yet when the OP turns out not to be true, you refuse the facts and turn it into a smear campaign. Having another good day, thanks again. I do hope you can get some help with that rage, bitterness, hate or whatever it is that you have and are projecting. Sorry, but the OP has NOT turned out to not be true. That’s just your take, based on trusting utterly unreliable sources.
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