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Post by morecowbell on Jul 10, 2023 23:54:24 GMT
I didn't change anything. That sentence clarifies what I meant. It doesn't change what I meant when I've held that position all along. As shown by what I said weeks ago: "I think it's also the fault of the drag queens and show promoters who send out the call for children to come watch sexualized shows by saying"all ages welcome, *adult content". It sends the message that we want to show off our private parts to children, that we want to talk sexually to children, we want to simulate sex for children." You are NOT correct. As I said "I think it's also the fault of..." You must really be good at Twister. Or really bad depending on how you look at it. Because none of your lies and twists are holding up. I never "got all huffy", I've simply been correcting all the lies and misinformation. Many of you are the ones ignoring and dismissing the facts that don't support your claims. Phooey! I disagree. Adding that sentence after the fact changed the whole narrative. That one sentence you added after the the original post changed the narrative from inappropriate behavior to flat out sexually abusing the child. That was never part of the original conversation. You are doing it again. You are continuing to give the parents a pass. It is the responsibility of a parent to determine what is acceptable for their child to see. That means they have to do their due diligence before hand. So no matter what the promoter says or drag queens claim it is the responsibility of the parent to make sure the content is acceptable. If for some reason they didn’t do their due diligence before the event and take the child to the show, the minute inappropriate behavior hits the stage they get up and walk out. And if they decide to stay, it’s on them. No one else. You always get huffy when things don’t go your way. But you really should learn after saying your piece when to walk away. Like I’m going to do right now because you see things one way and I see it another way and I doubt either of us are going to change our minds. So its a good time to end this conversation. You can disagree all you want. It doesn't change the facts. If I said it before, it's not added. It's consistent. If you have to leave off things I said, in order to make a point about my meaning and the things I said before confirm my meaning, then you are the one being dishonest. Again, As I said "I think it's also the fault of...". states agreement to the statement that it's the parents responsibility, but also the responsibility of those doing the inviting. So no, I'm not giving the parents a pass. No matter how many times you say it. Like the last time you told me I need to know when to walk away? I walked away from the conversation and had been gone for 3 days, you kept going at me and told me *I* need to know when walk away.😆 Just know I will walk away when I'm damn good and ready. You don't get to repeat falsehoods that the facts don't support and tell me now walk away. That's not how it works.😄
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samantha25
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Post by samantha25 on Jul 11, 2023 5:19:09 GMT
you keep repeating that all ages are welcome..so yes bring your 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 50 or 80 year old person to this event but there will be adult content. Do you not know what the term adult content means? If the show advertised the content of the show will not contain adult material and is appropriate for all ages, which is not what was posted..you are being too obtuse about all ages welcome. It's not like this is a movie where there are critics to ascertain official ratings. That doesn't even have any rational relationship to this topic or logic. Maybe you could clarify WTactual F you are talking about, samantha25? obviously, you still seem to be obtuse. Just because a show says all ages welcome with a disclaimer of adult content means that there will be adult content and view at your own risk. So if a parent brings their young child to a show that advertises there will be adult content, isn't that on the parent? Isn't it similar of going to an R-rated movie, where there will be inappropriate behavior for a young child and there is a disclaimer of adult content. The drag show stated that there will be adult content. It's on the parent. Can I be any more clear? If the show advertisement stated that NO adult, inappropriate, sexualized behavior would occur, then yes, that's not proper. The advertisement, according to you stated that there will be adult content.
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Post by sideways on Jul 11, 2023 13:30:39 GMT
Good grief. You’re an exhausting and insufferable asshole. Look in the mirror asshole. This is what some of you do. Not only make sure it's always pointed out if I get it wrong, all in tag team pile-on fashion, but repeatedly rubbing it in. And piling on to smear me if I'm right, while ignoring and dismissing any facts that debunk your claims. That's what you have modeled. I thought that's the way you want it done.🤔 Ooooh, you only want to do it to others. You don't like it when it's done to you? Still being exhausting and insufferable. You wouldn’t know a fact if it tackled you. When I read your posts, I picture a petulant toddler. Stomping her foot, yelling, insisting on getting her way. Keep whining.🙄😂
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 11, 2023 14:55:34 GMT
That doesn't even have any rational relationship to this topic or logic. Maybe you could clarify WTactual F you are talking about, samantha25? obviously, you still seem to be obtuse. Just because a show says all ages welcome with a disclaimer of adult content means that there will be adult content and view at your own risk. So if a parent brings their young child to a show that advertises there will be adult content, isn't that on the parent? Isn't it similar of going to an R-rated movie, where there will be inappropriate behavior for a young child and there is a disclaimer of adult content. The drag show stated that there will be adult content. It's on the parent. Can I be any more clear? If the show advertisement stated that NO adult, inappropriate, sexualized behavior would occur, then yes, that's not proper. The advertisement, according to you stated that there will be adult content. I'm not being obtuse, you weren't being clear. I understand now. You HAVE made it clearer this time. I've already answered that question several times now, when I very clearly said: "I think it's ALSO the fault of the drag queens and show promoters who say "all ages welcome" right next to "adult content". No. It might be similar if the R rated movie also stated "all ages welcome" next to the R rating. But it doesn’t, so according to the logic that's been heavily applied to many of MY posts by certain people here, that means "it's a false equivalence", or the ever popular "you're comparing apples to oranges", or several variations of that one.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 11, 2023 14:58:42 GMT
Look in the mirror asshole. This is what some of you do. Not only make sure it's always pointed out if I get it wrong, all in tag team pile-on fashion, but repeatedly rubbing it in. And piling on to smear me if I'm right, while ignoring and dismissing any facts that debunk your claims. That's what you have modeled. I thought that's the way you want it done.🤔 Ooooh, you only want to do it to others. You don't like it when it's done to you? Still being exhausting and insufferable. Yes, I see you certainly are. Thanks for keeping us updated.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 13, 2023 22:12:22 GMT
No I did NOT. You REALLY SHOULD go look again, because you are flat out wrong. I know exactly who said it. It was NOT me. You've made that up in your head. This thread is so full of lies and inaccuracies and not by me. OK, I will go back and look. When I have the time and energy. And if I was wrong, I will say so and apologize. Meanwhile you might want to work on being a slightly better person. You've been really active on here since this, seems like you found the time and energy. What have you discovered when you went back and looked?
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Post by elaine on Jul 13, 2023 22:43:13 GMT
I’m so glad that I didn’t predict on page 3 how this all would go down - along with the various people saying “you are missing the big picture” (forest for the trees).
Be prepared for a few more weeks of resurrection at odd intervals.
Gia can claim to like drag queens all she likes (some of my best friends are ….), but when one supports the party line calling for revoking the privileges and protections of a group of people, you don’t really like them beyond some superficial level that makes you look good -in your own mind.
A true liking of someone/a group is reflected by standing up for them against those who seek to limit the rights and privileges granted the rest of society.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 13, 2023 23:49:55 GMT
OK, I will go back and look. When I have the time and energy. And if I was wrong, I will say so and apologize. Meanwhile you might want to work on being a slightly better person. You've been really active on here since this, seems like you found the time and energy. What have you discovered when you went back and looked? hmm. Actually, I’ve been pretty busy. Just today I met with my oncologist about my stage 4 colon cancer. I was also diagnosed today with a pulmonary embolism (likely chemo related), so I’ve been waiting around the Kaiser pharmacy because they were out of the Xarelto my doctor wanted me to start TODAY, until they finally found a 21-day supply to hold me till more comes in. Now I’m tired again. Yes, I’ve been popping in occasionally to look at interesting threads when I had time. So far, I’ve been unable to arouse enough interest to go digging through old posts to look for your thing. But I haven’t forgotten about it. It should make you happier to know that I’m feeling a bit guilty about you. Maybe on Saturday I’ll have/make the time and inclination to get to you. Till then, so sorry.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 14, 2023 0:17:17 GMT
You've been really active on here since this, seems like you found the time and energy. What have you discovered when you went back and looked? hmm. Actually, I’ve been pretty busy. Just today I met with my oncologist about my stage 4 colon cancer. I was also diagnosed today with a pulmonary embolism (likely chemo related), so I’ve been waiting around the Kaiser pharmacy because they were out of the Xarelto my doctor wanted me to start TODAY, until they finally found a 21-day supply to hold me till more comes in. Now I’m tired again. Yes, I’ve been popping in occasionally to look at interesting threads when I had time. So far, I’ve been unable to arouse enough interest to go digging through old posts to look for your thing. But I haven’t forgotten about it. It should make you happier to know that I’m feeling a bit guilty about you. Maybe on Saturday I’ll have/make the time and inclination to get to you. Till then, so sorry. Lucy don't let this even get you down. Don't think about it for a minute. Morecowbell can in one breath offer me condolences about my loss and in another militantly be opposed to care that might have saved my child's life. It's gross. And I will never, ever be able to swallow that. You focus on you, getting better, feeling better. All of us are behind you. All of us. You have been nothing but a thoughtful, caring pea. We got your back.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 14, 2023 0:32:44 GMT
hmm. Actually, I’ve been pretty busy. Just today I met with my oncologist about my stage 4 colon cancer. I was also diagnosed today with a pulmonary embolism (likely chemo related), so I’ve been waiting around the Kaiser pharmacy because they were out of the Xarelto my doctor wanted me to start TODAY, until they finally found a 21-day supply to hold me till more comes in. Now I’m tired again. Yes, I’ve been popping in occasionally to look at interesting threads when I had time. So far, I’ve been unable to arouse enough interest to go digging through old posts to look for your thing. But I haven’t forgotten about it. It should make you happier to know that I’m feeling a bit guilty about you. Maybe on Saturday I’ll have/make the time and inclination to get to you. Till then, so sorry. Lucy don't let this even get you down. Don't think about it for a minute. Morecowbell can in one breath offer me condolences about my loss and in another militantly be opposed to care that might have saved my child's life. It's gross. And I will never, ever be able to swallow that. You focus on you, getting better, feeling better. All of us are behind you. All of us. You have been nothing but a thoughtful, caring pea. We got your back. This exactly. Lucy, I'm sorry for what you're going through. Don't waste a minute of your time feeling guilty or searching through her posts. I think it might have been spottiedottie. A simple mistake. And just earlier in this thread morecowbell berated me because I asked for evidence that either of the sources were legitimate. (evidence that I'm still waiting for, by the way - evidence to show either Sara Gonzales from Defend our kids or Andy Ngo are respected, trusted, reliable, honest, unbiased sources) She made some flippant comment about living her life. The irony and hypocrisy that only a page later she's demanding answers from you is unbelievable.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 14, 2023 0:35:18 GMT
OK, I will go back and look. When I have the time and energy. And if I was wrong, I will say so and apologize. Meanwhile you might want to work on being a slightly better person. You've been really active on here since this, seems like you found the time and energy. What have you discovered when you went back and looked? morecowbell, your words seem like an appropriate response to this question
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Post by elaine on Jul 14, 2023 0:46:58 GMT
OK, I will go back and look. When I have the time and energy. And if I was wrong, I will say so and apologize. Meanwhile you might want to work on being a slightly better person. You've been really active on here since this, seems like you found the time and energy. What have you discovered when you went back and looked? Fuck you.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 14, 2023 0:49:34 GMT
You've been really active on here since this, seems like you found the time and energy. What have you discovered when you went back and looked? hmm. Actually, I’ve been pretty busy. Just today I met with my oncologist about my stage 4 colon cancer. I was also diagnosed today with a pulmonary embolism (likely chemo related), so I’ve been waiting around the Kaiser pharmacy because they were out of the Xarelto my doctor wanted me to start TODAY, until they finally found a 21-day supply to hold me till more comes in. Now I’m tired again. Yes, I’ve been popping in occasionally to look at interesting threads when I had time. So far, I’ve been unable to arouse enough interest to go digging through old posts to look for your thing. But I haven’t forgotten about it. It should make you happier to know that I’m feeling a bit guilty about you. Maybe on Saturday I’ll have/make the time and inclination to get to you. Till then, so sorry. Lucy, I'm so sorry for your health, I know that must be really scary. I will send up prayers for only good health and perfect healing & send all my good thoughts your way. That does not make me happy that you are feeling bad, and wasn't necessary to add.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 14, 2023 1:06:55 GMT
hmm. Actually, I’ve been pretty busy. Just today I met with my oncologist about my stage 4 colon cancer. I was also diagnosed today with a pulmonary embolism (likely chemo related), so I’ve been waiting around the Kaiser pharmacy because they were out of the Xarelto my doctor wanted me to start TODAY, until they finally found a 21-day supply to hold me till more comes in. Now I’m tired again. Yes, I’ve been popping in occasionally to look at interesting threads when I had time. So far, I’ve been unable to arouse enough interest to go digging through old posts to look for your thing. But I haven’t forgotten about it. It should make you happier to know that I’m feeling a bit guilty about you. Maybe on Saturday I’ll have/make the time and inclination to get to you. Till then, so sorry. Lucy don't let this even get you down. Don't think about it for a minute. Morecowbell can in one breath offer me condolences about my loss and in another militantly be opposed to care that might have saved my child's life. It's gross. And I will never, ever be able to swallow that. You focus on you, getting better, feeling better. All of us are behind you. All of us. You have been nothing but a thoughtful, caring pea. We got your back. That was not in one breath and another breath. A lot of time passed between those two thoughts. I also apologized for the pain you're feeling from anything I posted. And I am not militantly against life saving treatments or anything about your daughter. I have repeatedly said you are a kind and thoughtful person and I know you would do anything for your children and would only make good thoughtful decisions for your family. So thats a really untrue and unfair assessment of what I've said here. I may well be militant about being able to post without being smeared for adding facts to a conversation, but I am not against life saving treatments and certainly not militantly against them.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 14, 2023 1:09:41 GMT
“facts”
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 14, 2023 1:12:19 GMT
You've been really active on here since this, seems like you found the time and energy. What have you discovered when you went back and looked? Fuck you. Right back at you and cakediva both. And anyone else that supports that hate.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 14, 2023 1:16:56 GMT
Lucy don't let this even get you down. Don't think about it for a minute. Morecowbell can in one breath offer me condolences about my loss and in another militantly be opposed to care that might have saved my child's life. It's gross. And I will never, ever be able to swallow that. You focus on you, getting better, feeling better. All of us are behind you. All of us. You have been nothing but a thoughtful, caring pea. We got your back. That was not in one breath and another breath. A lot of time passed between those two thoughts. I also apologized for the pain you're feeling from anything I posted. And I am not militantly against life saving treatments or anything about your daughter. I have repeatedly said you are a kind and thoughtful person and I know you would do anything for your children and would only make good thoughtful decisions for your family. So thats a really untrue and unfair assessment of what I've said here. I may well be militant about being able to post without being smeared for adding facts to a conversation, but I am not against life saving treatments and certainly not militantly against them. Yes you are. You have been presented with the data on the suicide rates for transgender people and you are still here arguing against their healthcare. If my child had been able to have earlier intervention and was actually welcomed in public, what would the outcome have been. You are on the wrong side. And you might be (but I don't know because you never argue for anything but only against) able to parcel out the issue but the people you stand with are transphobes. Take a look around Twitter for a day. See how cruel your side is. You think my child didn't hear that? You think these kids don't internalize that? Now I'm out. I'm not arguing with you ever again. Don't bother quoting me. If you have a shred of decency in you, you will not quite me and bring me back to this thread. I swear it. Just interacting with you is painful. Reading your words is painful. Get off this damn board and go talk to some actual damn people who are struggling. You don't want to hear it from me, you go talk to some other parent who lost their child. Just leave me right the fuck alone.
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cakediva
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Post by cakediva on Jul 14, 2023 1:19:58 GMT
Right back at you and cakediva both. And anyone else that supports that hate. What the actual fuck? Why pull me into this?? Because I liked her post? So it is perfectly fine for you to be "out living life" but Lucy can't?
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 14, 2023 1:25:21 GMT
The fact is that doctors and scientists in other countries are saying there isn’t enough evidence to support some of these procedures outside of clinical trials still. You can disagree with them all you want, but you can not try to demonize someone for bringing the fact that they are saying it to a conversation about it. You can not demand a conversation only have one opinion presented and try to destroy anyone that presents the facts that there ARE other opinions and yes, facts.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 14, 2023 1:30:27 GMT
Right back at you and cakediva both. And anyone else that supports that hate. What the actual fuck? Why pull me into this?? Because I liked her post? So it is perfectly fine for you to be "out living life" but Lucy can't? You liked her post saying fuck you to me and you're shocked and think *I* pulled YOU into it? You pulled yourself into it. That's on you.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 14, 2023 1:34:09 GMT
Right back at you and cakediva both. And anyone else that supports that hate. What the actual fuck? Why pull me into this?? Because I liked her post? So it is perfectly fine for you to be "out living life" but Lucy can't? And when I said I was out living life, it was because aj2hall was huffing and puffing hours after she asked the question and I hadn't even been back here. I asked Lucy days ago and she had been back and participating dozens and dozens of times. Big difference.
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Post by elaine on Jul 14, 2023 1:35:48 GMT
Right back at you and cakediva both. And anyone else that supports that hate. I’m fine with sentiment from you. As my mother, and many other wise people in my life since, have said: “consider the source.” You are the Mr. Potter of our Bedford Falls here at 2Peas. A twisted spider and all. You can tell me to fuck off all you want to as long as you leave truly good people with love in their hearts, like Lucy, alone. You are a miserable excuse for a being.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 14, 2023 1:47:18 GMT
Lucy don't let this even get you down. Don't think about it for a minute. Morecowbell can in one breath offer me condolences about my loss and in another militantly be opposed to care that might have saved my child's life. It's gross. And I will never, ever be able to swallow that. You focus on you, getting better, feeling better. All of us are behind you. All of us. You have been nothing but a thoughtful, caring pea. We got your back. This exactly. Lucy, I'm sorry for what you're going through. Don't waste a minute of your time feeling guilty or searching through her posts. I think it might have been spottiedottie. A simple mistake. And just earlier in this thread morecowbell berated me because I asked for evidence that either of the sources were legitimate. (evidence that I'm still waiting for, by the way - evidence to show either Sara Gonzales from Defend our kids or Andy Ngo are respected, trusted, reliable, honest, unbiased sources) She made some flippant comment about living her life. The irony and hypocrisy that only a page later she's demanding answers from you is unbelievable. You fucking liar. The top of page 4 the answer is right there for you to see. You even answered it directly after it.. The answer debunked your claim, you did not like that and responded directly after it with some trite hate quote.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 14, 2023 2:49:05 GMT
I’m so glad that I didn’t predict on page 3 how this all would go down - along with the various people saying “you are missing the big picture” (forest for the trees). Be prepared for a few more weeks of resurrection at odd intervals. Gia can claim to like drag queens all she likes (some of my best friends are ….), but when one supports the party line calling for revoking the privileges and protections of a group of people, you don’t really like them beyond some superficial level that makes you look good -in your own mind. A true liking of someone/a group is reflected by standing up for them against those who seek to limit the rights and privileges granted the rest of society. The only big picture here is the big picture this thread was created for. The ENTIRE point of this thread was to prove me wrong, gloat and rub it in. A few of you begged me to come to this thread and grovel. I went along with the premise of the claim and conceded until it turned out the facts debunked the claim merge made and now YOU are mad because the entire point of the thread has been debunked and by God, you're going to make me pay. Or something. Holy hell, several of you flat out lie about what I've said which is right there for anyone to see, and then when you're caught - you blame and berate me. That's insane.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 14, 2023 2:52:47 GMT
What the actual fuck? Why pull me into this?? Because I liked her post? So it is perfectly fine for you to be "out living life" but Lucy can't? And when I said I was out living life, it was because aj2hall was huffing and puffing hours after she asked the question and I hadn't even been back here. I asked Lucy days ago and she had been back and participating dozens and dozens of times. Big difference. Nope. Try again. A day and a half later. Look at the date and time stamp.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 14, 2023 2:55:12 GMT
This exactly. Lucy, I'm sorry for what you're going through. Don't waste a minute of your time feeling guilty or searching through her posts. I think it might have been spottiedottie. A simple mistake. And just earlier in this thread morecowbell berated me because I asked for evidence that either of the sources were legitimate. (evidence that I'm still waiting for, by the way - evidence to show either Sara Gonzales from Defend our kids or Andy Ngo are respected, trusted, reliable, honest, unbiased sources) She made some flippant comment about living her life. The irony and hypocrisy that only a page later she's demanding answers from you is unbelievable. You fucking liar. The top of page 4 the answer is right there for you to see. You even answered it directly after it.. The answer debunked your claim, you did not like that and responded directly after it with some trite hate quote. No, that's not evidence that he is a reliable, trustworthy, ethical, honest journalist. One person's opinion of an unrelated post and his subsequent ban from twitter 3 1/2 years ago is not evidence of a journalist with integrity. Wondering how hard you had to look to find even that opinion. eta - And no, I didn't quote or respond to your post with "evidence" until now. I made a general statement about Andy Ngo, Sara Gonzales and people like them spreading hate.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 14, 2023 2:56:12 GMT
This exactly. Lucy, I'm sorry for what you're going through. Don't waste a minute of your time feeling guilty or searching through her posts. I think it might have been spottiedottie. A simple mistake. And just earlier in this thread morecowbell berated me because I asked for evidence that either of the sources were legitimate. (evidence that I'm still waiting for, by the way - evidence to show either Sara Gonzales from Defend our kids or Andy Ngo are respected, trusted, reliable, honest, unbiased sources) She made some flippant comment about living her life. The irony and hypocrisy that only a page later she's demanding answers from you is unbelievable. You fucking liar. The top of page 4 the answer is right there for you to see. You even answered it directly after it.. The answer debunked your claim, you did not like that and responded directly after it with some trite hate quote. If you don't want people to say fuck you to you, maybe you shouldn't call people fucking liars.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 14, 2023 3:00:52 GMT
And when I said I was out living life, it was because aj2hall was huffing and puffing hours after she asked the question and I hadn't even been back here. I asked Lucy days ago and she had been back and participating dozens and dozens of times. Big difference. Nope. Try again. 2 days later. Regarding participating “dozens and dozens of times;” I’m typically particular in what I respond to, it has to be interesting to me. If I wasn’t feeling well I can guarantee going round and round with someone who refuses to consider facts from reputable sources would not be interesting to me. And definitely not a priority.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 14, 2023 3:02:48 GMT
I’m so glad that I didn’t predict on page 3 how this all would go down - along with the various people saying “you are missing the big picture” (forest for the trees). Be prepared for a few more weeks of resurrection at odd intervals. Gia can claim to like drag queens all she likes (some of my best friends are ….), but when one supports the party line calling for revoking the privileges and protections of a group of people, you don’t really like them beyond some superficial level that makes you look good -in your own mind. A true liking of someone/a group is reflected by standing up for them against those who seek to limit the rights and privileges granted the rest of society. The only big picture here is the big picture this thread was created for. The ENTIRE point of this thread was to prove me wrong, gloat and rub it in. A few of you begged me to come to this thread and grovel. I went along with the premise of the claim and conceded until it turned out the facts debunked the claim merge made and now YOU are mad because the entire point of the thread has been debunked and by God, you're going to make me pay. Or something. Holy hell, several of you flat out lie about what I've said which is right there for anyone to see, and then when you're caught - you blame and berate me. That's insane. Not facts and not debunked. Your perception, your opinion. Not everyone agrees with you and there is ample evidence that contradicts your opinion. Defend our Kids is an anti-drag group that spews a lot of hateful rhetoric. You're still missing bigger picture that conservative media, Sara Gonzales, Andy Ngo are spouting a lot of untruthful, negative, hurtful rhetoric that is both anti-drag and anti-LGBTQ. As a result of their false narratives about groomers, support for LGBTQ rights is decreasing and violence against the community is on the rise. Republican politicians are racing to pass anti-trans laws across the country.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 14, 2023 3:09:53 GMT
I posted this before. Regrettably after I posted an article about anti-trans bills, I responded to morecowbell. I'm done. In response to the recent Supreme Court decision, Michael Imperioli said something that seems very fitting for this situation. Hate and ignorance are not a legitimate point of view.www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-imperioli-supreme-court-ruling/These quotes seem appropriate, too, regarding conservative media and Republican politicians pushing anti LGBTQ bills, spreading hate and fear and their attempts to marginalize another already vulnerable community. “Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.” Aldous Huxley “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” ― Martin Luther King Jr. “Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?” – Ernest Gaine “Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.” Frederick Douglas "We must scrupulously guard the civil rights and civil liberties of all our citizens, whatever their background. We must remember that any oppression, any injustice, any hatred, is a wedge designed to attack our civilization." FDR First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. —Martin Niemöller This time I'm really going to leave it at that.
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