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Post by birukitty on Jul 23, 2023 20:31:34 GMT
Hello everyone, I'm planning a trip to Germany for DH and I for May of 2024, and have just begun looking into the airfare. I found a flight on Google Flights today that leaves from Dulles airport (that's where we typically fly from) and has an 1 hour and 45 minute layover at Dublin airport on Air Lingus. It gets into Dublin at 5:15 am. Am I crazy to think I can make that connection? Would I have to go through customs/security when I get to Dublin or just get on the connecting flight and do all that once I land in Frankfurt, Germany? Have any of you flown Air Lingus and how would you rate it compared to Lufthansa? That's the only other choice so far and I've have to pay an additional $500.00 for a non-stop flight. The Air Lingus flight is around $1,000 I'd much rather save that additional cost and use it on our trip Thanks in advance.
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Post by quiltz on Jul 23, 2023 20:42:06 GMT
'm planning a trip to Germany for DH and I for May of 2024, and have just begun looking into the airfare. We must be thinking alike as I am also starting to plan a trip to Germany in May 2024 I will go direct to Frankfurt from Pearson (Toronto) but the air-fare is expensive. How much are flights for you? Premium economy is about $1,368. and economy is $496. The past few times I flew to Germany it was in Business Class, with the flat-lay seats. I was able to sleep and was very relaxed and ready to go right from the get-go. I would think that you would have to go thru customs in Dublin as it isn't part of the "Schengen countries". Also, I believe that in 2024 Americans and Canadians have to get a type of visa (something very new) to travel in Europe. Have you tried Icelandair? I have done this in the past as you are allowed 10? days within the "Schengen" countries???
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jul 23, 2023 20:44:43 GMT
Have any of you flown Air Lingus and how would you rate it compared to Lufthansa? We flew Air Lingus from Belfast to London so it was a very short flight. We flew Lufthansa from Germany to San Francisco and it was the worst flight in our experience of European tours. The food they gave us wasn't fit for human consumption. We were in the middle 4 seats, thankfully with friends from our tour and the airline sat us: Me, Connie, Frank, DH. DH and Frank could barely get out of their seats to go to the bathroom and Frank was lucky that I gave him my aisle seat. Just my two cents I'm sure there are people who love that airline.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jul 23, 2023 20:46:25 GMT
Also, I believe that in 2024 Americans and Canadians have to get a type of visa (something very new) to travel in Europe. We're heading to Scandinavia/Iceland in May 2024 and the Greek Isles in 2025 and the tour company has never mentioned this.
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Post by quiltz on Jul 23, 2023 20:58:58 GMT
Also, I believe that in 2024 Americans and Canadians have to get a type of visa (something very new) to travel in Europe. We're heading to Scandinavia/Iceland in May 2024 and the Greek Isles in 2025 and the tour company has never mentioned this. www.cntraveler.com/story/americans-will-need-visa-for-the-euUnited States passport holders have long traveled throughout most of the world without having to worry about visa applications: American travelers currently have visa-free access to 184 destinations worldwide, according to this year’s Henley Passport Index, which ranked the U.S. passport as the eighth most powerful in the world. But that’s set to change next year, as the European Union prepares new travel document requirements for American tourists. The new regulations are called the European Travel Information and Authorization System (ETIAS). When the system launches in early 2024, it will require all visitors who currently travel to Europe visa-free, such as citizens from the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, to apply for travel authorization and receive approval prior to their departure. ETIAS is not a visa in the traditional sense; it only requires a quick online application, with approval delivered via email. In order to receive authorization, visitors must fill out an online form providing details about their basic biographical information, travel plans and travel history, as well as other security questions. Most applicants will be granted travel authorization within an hour, but if further checks are required, the process could take up to 96 hours. The application costs €7 ( about $8) and is required for all travelers regardless of their age. Once approved, this authorization is valid for multiple entries over the course of three years, or until the traveler’s passport expires. Although many Americans were apprehensive about waiting on another travel document when the program was first announced, as more details about ETIAS become available, many travelers are expressing relief at the simplicity of the process. “Honestly, the buzz around [ETIAS] on social media made me a little nervous, but after doing some research, that initial shock definitely subsided,” says Alexa Moore, a frequent traveler who visits Europe for both business and leisure at least two to three times per year. “It's still easy for us to travel to Europe. It’s just one more step we have to think about before our trip.” The authorization will be required for travel to all ETIAS member countries, which fall into one of four categories: full Schengen members like Spain, France, and Italy; European Free Trade Association (EFTA) countries like Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland; future Schengen members such as Bulgaria and Cyprus; plus European micro states like Andorra and Monaco. The goal of ETIAS is to tighten border security, as well as digitally screen and track travelers entering and leaving EU countries. Its purpose and application process are similar to the Electronic System for Travel Authorization (ESTA) program for visitors headed to the US—a fact that has also made many people more understanding of the new requirement. “I’m bummed about it, but it does seem easy enough,” says Nicki Post, a travel blogger and YouTuber who has spent extensive time in Europe. “It’s only fair since the US makes it more complicated for Europeans and people of other nationalities to enter the US.” As Europe gets ready to roll out its new ETIAS program, it is important to note that the length of time that Americans can spend in Europe as a tourist is not changing. US passport holders are allowed to stay up to 90 days within a 180-day period. For any stay longer than 90 days, a special visa is required. At the moment, the exact date when the new travel authorization will become a requirement is still unclear. Moore suspects there will be a bit of chaos when it does launch, but also that ETIAS will ultimately not deter anyone from traveling to Europe. “Initially, we may see more videos on social media and reports of people forgetting to apply for ETIAS, and possibly not being able to go, but that’s the norm any time we get a new travel requirement in place,” Moore says. “I also think pandemic travel has actually helped people be a little more prepared for the possibility of new systems and requirements being in place like having to submit test results, health information, and other documents in preparation for entry even to a visa-free country
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Post by tanya2 on Jul 23, 2023 21:04:50 GMT
I flew Aer Lingus from Dublin to Edinburgh at the end of May. It was completely fine. Dublin airport is not very big at all, and when we landed in Dublin from Toronto originally it took us less than half hour to get through customs, probably more like 20 minutes. That connection time is more than enough. Aer Lingus is a basic airline but the flight was no issue at all. They are picky about baggage weights though so check out their website for that before you go
ETA - You will be fine with that connection time assuming that your flight from Dulles leaves on time!
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Post by pyccku on Jul 23, 2023 21:19:16 GMT
We flew Aer Lingus from LAX to Dublin last month. Their beverage service was severely lacking - no hot tea, coffee, soda...just water and orange juice (and the orange juice was gone after the first beverage service).
It took us about 30 minutes to get through passport control, but it totally depends on when you land and how many people they have working. The last time I went through (2018) we waited at least an hour because several planes landed within a short time period.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jul 23, 2023 21:21:24 GMT
The new regulations are called the European Travel Information and Authorization System (ETIAS). When the system launches in early 2024, it will require all visitors who currently travel to Europe visa-free, such as citizens from the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, to apply for travel authorization and receive approval prior to their departure. Thanks for the info. Sounds like an easy process and we'll likely get information from the tour company early next year.
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Post by birukitty on Jul 23, 2023 21:22:53 GMT
'm planning a trip to Germany for DH and I for May of 2024, and have just begun looking into the airfare. We must be thinking alike as I am also starting to plan a trip to Germany in May 2024 I will go direct to Frankfurt from Pearson (Toronto) but the air-fare is expensive. How much are flights for you? Premium economy is about $1,368. and economy is $496. The past few times I flew to Germany it was in Business Class, with the flat-lay seats. I was able to sleep and was very relaxed and ready to go right from the get-go. I would think that you would have to go thru customs in Dublin as it isn't part of the "Schengen countries". Also, I believe that in 2024 Americans and Canadians have to get a type of visa (something very new) to travel in Europe. Have you tried Icelandair? I have done this in the past as you are allowed 10? days within the "Schengen" countries??? Great minds think alike  . I've actually been planning this trip for the past couple of months or so, but just today started on the flight portion of it. Yes, flying is expensive-no way around it. I'm getting a quote of $1,094.00 for that Air Lingus flight but that's just for regular economy. If I have to go through customs in Dublin I don't think I'll be able to make it on a connection of an hour and 45 minutes, would I? Is there a way to figure this out? I'd really prefer this flight because of the time it lands in Germany (in the morning). My other option is a TAP flight that has a connection time of 2 hours and 45 minutes in Lisbon, Portugal going to Germany and gets there at 12:40 pm. Connection time is certainly better, but I've had heard bad things about TAP (is it really that bad?) and to fly home the only flight I can find would leave Germany at 6:00 am. I hate trying to catch those flights when you have to be at the airport 3 hours earlier like at 3 am! There's a later, more reasonable return flight that day, but it has a really short connection time coming home of only 1 hour, 35 minutes so that's out. This flight is $1,089.00 Or I could fly Lufthansa direct (no layovers) for $1,539.00. Yes, I know Lufthansa sucks. I've flown them before. I would love to fly in business class with flat-lay seats but it's never been an option for me coming from the USA to Europe-just too expensive. We still have lots of time before our trip and I've set Google Flights to alert me when the price changes, but I'm concerned about those connection times. Have you decided where to go when you travel to Germany? Will it be your first trip?
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Post by birukitty on Jul 23, 2023 21:30:38 GMT
I flew Aer Lingus from Dublin to Edinburgh at the end of May. It was completely fine. Dublin airport is not very big at all, and when we landed in Dublin from Toronto originally it took us less than half hour to get through customs, probably more like 20 minutes. That connection time is more than enough. Aer Lingus is a basic airline but the flight was no issue at all. They are picky about baggage weights though so check out their website for that before you go ETA - You will be fine with that connection time assuming that your flight from Dulles leaves on time! My other hope was the time of day. Since the plane will be landing at the Dublin airport at 5:15 am I'm hoping that will mean the airport itself will be a bit more empty (less people to process) than say in the middle of the day when most people are traveling. Flying home I have a 4 hour layover so that's no problem and the plane leaves Germany in the morning at 10:55 am which is a more more reasonable time for me, than trying to catch a 6:00 am flight home which would be the case if I chose the TAP flight. I'm not worried about the weight of my bags (I weight them carefully, try to pack lightly) but thanks so much for that piece of advice.
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Post by birukitty on Jul 23, 2023 21:33:28 GMT
We flew Aer Lingus from LAX to Dublin last month. Their beverage service was severely lacking - no hot tea, coffee, soda...just water and orange juice (and the orange juice was gone after the first beverage service). It took us about 30 minutes to get through passport control, but it totally depends on when you land and how many people they have working. The last time I went through (2018) we waited at least an hour because several planes landed within a short time period. Thank you for this. Other than the beverage service did you have any other complaints? How was the food? Any other issues?
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Post by ~summer~ on Jul 23, 2023 21:45:49 GMT
I don’t have a good answer - but I’m flying Aer Lingus from sfo to Dublin, then a separate flight to Malaga and I have only an hour layover. I hope it works out!
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Post by pilcas on Jul 23, 2023 21:50:32 GMT
I believe you do not go through customs if you are on a connecting flight.
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Post by gar on Jul 23, 2023 21:57:16 GMT
No customs to go through in that scenario.
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Post by quiltz on Jul 23, 2023 22:05:30 GMT
Have you decided where to go when you travel to Germany? Will it be your first trip? I have been to Germany, Western & Eastern Europe many times. I have family in Germany, I've done the river cruise from Amsterdam to Budapest, a coach tour (2 weeks) of Eastern Europe and then 2 weeks on my own, 2 other river cruises, Switzerland only, so many different trips. My father's homestead has been renovated by a 2nd cousin and I've been invited to visit. Will probably be there for 2-3 weeks. I want to go to Wien for a concert and to Lucerne so I will be busy.
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Post by birukitty on Jul 23, 2023 22:08:02 GMT
Thanks everyone for your input and thoughts. I really appreciate it.
I had no idea Dublin Airport was so small! It only has 2 terminals which are pretty much next to each other (reading it, it sounds like you can walk between them within 15 minutes). I'm so used to airports like Dulles here in Washington DC or the airport in Copenhagen that I flew into last time-that one was huge! I just remember walking, walking and more walking to finally get to my terminal to catch my flight.
So...all of this is excellent news. It looks like I'll be able to make that connection okay. I'm going to sit on these flights for a couple of days and see how it goes. Hate to jump on the very first ones I've searched and found. But I also don't want to wait too long and have the prices go up a ton either.
Thanks again for all of your insight and help. I was drawing a blank today trying to remember how it all works regarding connections, layovers, customs, ect.
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Post by birukitty on Jul 23, 2023 22:33:02 GMT
Have you decided where to go when you travel to Germany? Will it be your first trip? I have been to Germany, Western & Eastern Europe many times. I have family in Germany, I've done the river cruise from Amsterdam to Budapest, a coach tour (2 weeks) of Eastern Europe and then 2 weeks on my own, 2 other river cruises, Switzerland only, so many different trips. My father's homestead has been renovated by a 2nd cousin and I've been invited to visit. Will probably be there for 2-3 weeks. I want to go to Wien for a concert and to Lucerne so I will be busy. You sound like me I was born in Germany, German is the first language I spoke, moved to the USA when I was 6. I was the oldest of 4 children growing up so we never had enough money to "go back" when I was a kid, but my Oma paid for each of us kids to come visit her when we were 15, and I've gone back off and on for family visits over the years. 5 years ago I did my first solo visit for 2 weeks starting in Munich, and going to several towns/cities in a circular pattern, changing every 2 days and using the train. I had the best trip of my life! I went to Munich, Salzburg, Mittenwald, Oberammergau, Rothenburg ob der Tauber and Regensburg. This time DH is joining me (he's never been and I can't wait to show him Germany) although we are flying into Frankfurt, then going to Mainz (I went to kindergarten here), Rothenburg, Bamberg, Nürnberg, Regensburg, Salzburg, Mittenwald and Fussen then he has to fly home for his work, and I will spend 6 nights in Berchtesgaden. I'm planning on going up north to Cologne, and spend 2 weeks in that area along the Moselle and Rhine rivers if everything works out. That's so exciting about your father's homestead being renovated! I found out recently I qualify for a dual citizenship with Germany (finally!) that I've been trying to get for years. When I was born in 1960 because my mother was German and my father was American I didn't qualify for dual citizenship. If my father had been German I would have had dual citizenship automatically. Luckily Germany has finally realized that the law was sexist and has now changed it so that I (and other people like me) can now fill out paperwork and get dual citizenship-that should have been ours since birth. I was so happy when I found out! I don't know if I'll ever use it, but it's such a relief to have something like that in my back pocket just in case. My heart really does feel like it belongs in Germany.
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Post by apmom on Jul 23, 2023 22:41:18 GMT
I haven’t read all the replies and am not sure about customs/passport control when transiting thru Dublin. I flew Aer Lingus Dublin to Washington Dulles return in February this year. We got into Dublin around 4:30am, flight going east is always faster than advertised, airport very quiet. There’s only a few transatlantic flights coming in at that time, departures are insanely busy at that time though. Be aware that flight is an A320 neo, a single aisle plane. Don’t book the seat in front of emergency exit (row 11 maybe?) seats don’t recline, I know! With Aer Lingus you can bid to upgrade to business, we did and got the upgrade going to Washington at €340/€350 each. We didn’t bother on way back home yo Ireland. I love Aer Lingus crew, they’ve always been so kind to us, I was terrified of flying and have a son with autism and they’ve been amazing.
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Post by birukitty on Jul 23, 2023 23:19:18 GMT
Well it certainly pays to look for plane tickets at more than one site! I just checked skyscanner.com and it had a LOT more flight options than google flights offered, but also some higher prices too. I think this is the type of search that is going to take a few days. No sense rushing into it-I've got 10 more months until we have to leave.
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Post by curiouscrafter on Jul 24, 2023 0:47:26 GMT
We have flown both Air Lingus and Lufthansa, and we won't fly Lufthansa again so it wouldn't be an option for us. Our flights were SFO to Dublin on A.L. and Munich to SFO on Lufthansa. Both long flights. To note, our A.L. was premium economy in bulk head (so had lots of room) and Lufthansa was business class. Pretty sad that premium economy was better than business class.
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Post by peabay on Jul 24, 2023 1:09:18 GMT
We've twice flown Aer Lingus to Dublin and were very happy with them both times.
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Post by tanya2 on Jul 24, 2023 5:01:00 GMT
Thanks everyone for your input and thoughts. I really appreciate it. I had no idea Dublin Airport was so small! It only has 2 terminals which are pretty much next to each other (reading it, it sounds like you can walk between them within 15 minutes). I'm so used to airports like Dulles here in Washington DC or the airport in Copenhagen that I flew into last time-that one was huge! I just remember walking, walking and more walking to finally get to my terminal to catch my flight. So...all of this is excellent news. It looks like I'll be able to make that connection okay. I'm going to sit on these flights for a couple of days and see how it goes. Hate to jump on the very first ones I've searched and found. But I also don't want to wait too long and have the prices go up a ton either.
Yes I said that in my post to you - Dublin airport is very small! Make sure every time you look at those flights you do so on a private browser. Your computer will remember your search history otherwise & the prices will go up just from that. Also, look on Tuesday afternoon. For some reason that seems to be the best day to book flights. Same with if you have some flexibility on your dates so you don't fly on a weekend. Also I recommend booking through the airline directly, or Expedia or something like that. I always search sky scanner for flight options but never book through them.
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Post by birukitty on Jul 25, 2023 22:11:08 GMT
Thanks everyone for your input and thoughts. I really appreciate it. I had no idea Dublin Airport was so small! It only has 2 terminals which are pretty much next to each other (reading it, it sounds like you can walk between them within 15 minutes). I'm so used to airports like Dulles here in Washington DC or the airport in Copenhagen that I flew into last time-that one was huge! I just remember walking, walking and more walking to finally get to my terminal to catch my flight. So...all of this is excellent news. It looks like I'll be able to make that connection okay. I'm going to sit on these flights for a couple of days and see how it goes. Hate to jump on the very first ones I've searched and found. But I also don't want to wait too long and have the prices go up a ton either.
Yes I said that in my post to you - Dublin airport is very small! Make sure every time you look at those flights you do so on a private browser. Your computer will remember your search history otherwise & the prices will go up just from that. Also, look on Tuesday afternoon. For some reason that seems to be the best day to book flights. Same with if you have some flexibility on your dates so you don't fly on a weekend. Also I recommend booking through the airline directly, or Expedia or something like that. I always search sky scanner for flight options but never book through them. Thanks Tanya2 for all of your helpful suggestions. I remember reading about many of these types of suggestions over the past 2-3 months since I started planning for this vacation. I guess yesterday I just got very eager since it was the first time I've been able to search flights-before this the trip was too far into the future. I've read many conflicting reports of whether or not we still need to "clear our cookies" while searching for plane tickets to keep the prices from going up each time. I think in the past 2 months I've read 2 articles that said this was no longer the case. I figure it's not that hard to do, doesn't take that much time, and just in case those two articles weren't 100% accurate I'm going to go through the process of clearing cookies just in case. Unfortunately my dates are set for this trip, but I have also read that it's best to do your searching (and shopping) on a Tuesday. I will be flying to Germany on a Tuesday and leaving on a Wednesday, so that's good. Thanks for letting me know that you don't book through skyscanner. It's my first time using them to search for flights. Last international flight I booked was 5 years ago and I used cheapoair.com I didn't know about skyscanner back then. I must say that I found a ton more options for flights on skyscanner vs. google flights so it really pays to search more than one place! I love doing the planning part of a trip which is why I start really early. This time it's really good that I did. On that last trip (5) years ago when I went to Poland and Germany I stayed in airbnb's (1 in Poland) and 1 in Germany and the rest of the time in hotels using the hotels.com website to do my bookings. This trip booking.com has been a fantastic source and as I said I'm glad I started early-getting hotel rooms has been harder than I thought it would be-so many were already booked a year in advance! But then the way I travel I require a lot of hotel rooms. I like to get a rail pass, switch towns/cities every 2-3 days, and stay at least 3 weeks. That adds up to a lot of different hotels  Plus I don't like to pay over a certain amount a night (I like 3-4 star hotels that charge around $150.00 a night with breakfast included) and they always fill up first, plus I'm picky-I like to choose hotels within 1/2 mile of the city center so I don't have to rent a car. Anyway, bookings.com has been a wonderful tool! I'm so sorry this turned into a novel.
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Post by tanya2 on Jul 26, 2023 2:39:08 GMT
planning is part of what I love too! It's amazing what you can find out. Sounds like we travel very similarly. I want as nice as I can find for as little money as I can pay, and hotels MUST include breakfast!
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 26, 2023 13:54:36 GMT
They're not comparable. Aer Lingus is great for short-haul/commuter flights if you're okay travelling with a bookbag-sized carry-on and no personal item. For long-haul, I would rather shave my head with a cheese grater.
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Post by birukitty on Jul 26, 2023 19:36:26 GMT
They're not comparable. Aer Lingus is great for short-haul/commuter flights if you're okay travelling with a bookbag-sized carry-on and no personal item. For long-haul, I would rather shave my head with a cheese grater. Thank you for this. I've pretty much come to this conclusion. Once I realized the size of the planes they fly I realized what I preferred for that long, red-eye flight across the Atlantic ocean isn't a small plane like that, but the larger ones with 2 aisles-they are a lot more comfortable, especially for long hauls like that. Within Europe the smaller planes make a lot more sense. Once I looked at skyscanner.com they had a lot more options including Icelandic Air which I've flown multiple times in the past to Germany. Last time I flew SAS with a layover in Copenhagen and it was a very nice flight with wonderful food choices. I got a vegan meal that was delicious and that was 5 years ago.
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