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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Aug 7, 2023 20:12:50 GMT
Product typo and mistakes. I'm wondering how obvious typo and mistakes get by. Do companies not have proof readers or product editors? Management rushing through, not paying attention to the final approval of a product before it goes to production? Does the designer submit it for production, with no one else seeing it? I was browsing scrapbook.com new products, and saw this pad of Hunky Dory pocket pad, cute sayings that can be kept as is or colored, stamped, etc.. Looking at the idea gallery, below the item....one the pocket cards in the pad of the sayings says >> If you're not having the best day, just do the Hokey Cokey and turn yourself around. www.scrapbook.com/store/eci-pockpad105.htmlIt's Hokey Pokey, not Hokey Cokey. There have been product typo and mistakes over the years, one of the most infamous was Heidi Swapp spelling Thursday incorrectly. I know nobody is perfect and nothing is perfect (especially me), but how do obvious mistakes get by and sent to production with no one noticing or speaking up about the mistake?
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Post by jenr on Aug 7, 2023 21:17:33 GMT
I wonder that too, but then I'm a spelling and grammar freak and wonder how newspapers and websites get away with doing it now too. Nobody seems to care or check much anymore. (I totally sound like an old grouch saying "Back in MY day, people CARED about spelling and grammar..>!"
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Post by breetheflea on Aug 7, 2023 22:01:40 GMT
Carta Bella, ironically, once had Honor Role in a school line. I debated whether to complain or not, but ended up just throwing those stickers out...
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Post by chendra on Aug 7, 2023 22:22:14 GMT
I know they call it the Hokey Cokey in the UK and maybe some other places. In this case, I think it's just a cultural difference.
In the Halloween mega thread, there is a stamp set with "I'm just here for the booze". I thought, yes, we know why you're here, but it's supposed to be "boos" to disguise it and make it a Halloween pun. 😄
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Post by PaperAngel on Aug 7, 2023 22:48:04 GMT
Given Hunkydory is a UK company (as indicated on the cover of its Pocket Pads - e.g. Birthdays), Hokey Cokey is not a typo/mistake. It's the term used in the UK for the silly song known in the US as the Hokey Pokey (as chendra stated above). Regarding actual typo/mistakes, it's baffling how the designer, Creative Director, print staff, & however many other people internally & externally view the designs before they're actually printed all seemingly miss blantant/glaring errors (e.g. Santa Clause, Thrusday, Honor Role, state names).
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Aug 7, 2023 23:02:27 GMT
I know they call it the Hokey Cokey in the UK and maybe some other places. In this case, I think it's just a cultural difference. In the Halloween mega thread, there is a stamp set with "I'm just here for the booze". I thought, yes, we know why you're here, but it's supposed to be "boos" to disguise it and make it a Halloween pun. 😄 Thank you for the information. I did not know that it was called something else.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Aug 8, 2023 2:15:52 GMT
I remember when AC released a set paper and embellishments with days of the week with ‘Thrusday.’ People were all over that on the old board. I think it was a Heidi Swapp collection.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Aug 8, 2023 2:39:12 GMT
It happens. At work we had a printed sign welcoming customers to an event. Everyone in marketing went over it multiple times. I walked up, read the sign and pointed out a glaring typo.
I always tried to find someone to proofread my work if it was going out to the public. Preferably someone not involved in the process so they had fresh eyes. You cannot proof yourself, that’s a recipe for typos.
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 8, 2023 2:59:50 GMT
I never knew it was Hokey Cokey in the UK! I’m surprised that we say Hokey Pokey here in Australia, because our spelling and sayings are usually the same as the UK. I’ll have to ask my parents, I bet it was Hokey Cokey here when they were kids.
Kind of off topic, but I am always grateful to digital designers who offer alternate spellings in their kits eg. mum as well as mom, colour as well as color etc.
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Post by edme on Aug 8, 2023 5:12:41 GMT
We call it the Hokey Tokey here in NZ! I always thought people who called it the Hokey Pokey were just making a mistake, because hokey pokey is a type of honeycomb, and a very popular ice cream here 🤣
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 8, 2023 5:53:00 GMT
Love it when I learn something new. Hokey Cokey.
I love reading stamps (or signs) from other countries that make glaring errors. I know that Americans must do it too. So funny to see some sayings on AliExpress stamps that make no sense. For me, it is just good fun unless someone actually gets a tattoo of it!
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Post by lg on Aug 8, 2023 8:15:20 GMT
I think some of the Hokey Pokey/hokey cokey/hokey tockey comes from copyright/trademarks on the phrases in different countries, so to get around it and use the same tune etc they’ve just changed the letters a bit. Or so I’ve heard 🧐
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Post by artbabe on Aug 8, 2023 16:28:45 GMT
I am always boggled by the mistakes, too. It is amazing that it gets through so many people without someone correcting it. I saw one recently but I can't remember what it was. I remember it was on the bottom of a sticker sheet. It will probably come to me later today. Kind of off topic, but I am always grateful to digital designers who offer alternate spellings in their kits eg. mum as well as mom, colour as well as color etc. I think it must be frustrating for non-Americans using our scrapbook supplies. I don't know why America spells things differently than everyone else. Probably for the same reason why we don't use the metric system consistently. Darn Americans... That being said, I got a boy ephemera packet from Australia and had to throw out all of the cricket stuff. I know they have to throw all of our American football stuff away.
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Aug 8, 2023 22:38:59 GMT
I saw one recently but I can't remember what it was. I remember it was on the bottom of a sticker sheet. It will probably come to me later today. I know the VB mock up for the phrase thickers in her most recent collection had the word MOMENS, but I believe it was fixed for the real product. I remember years ago a Christmas line had a piece with Decemember on it. I understand how it happens, in that we tend to read what we expect to see or what we think it will be, but I'm also surprised when errors make it to market.
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Post by joblackford on Aug 9, 2023 2:50:13 GMT
I never knew it was Hokey Cokey in the UK! I’m surprised that we say Hokey Pokey here in Australia, because our spelling and sayings are usually the same as the UK. I’ll have to ask my parents, I bet it was Hokey Cokey here when they were kids. Kind of off topic, but I am always grateful to digital designers who offer alternate spellings in their kits eg. mum as well as mom, colour as well as color etc. We call it the Hokey Tokey here in NZ! I always thought people who called it the Hokey Pokey were just making a mistake, because hokey pokey is a type of honeycomb, and a very popular ice cream here 🤣 I grew up in NZ in the 70s and 80s with either Hokey Cokey or Hokey Pokey. I think it morphed over time with people thinking that it was a mistake, or it might've depended on how recently a family emigrated or maybe regionally. Stuff like that can be wildly variable. Off topic but I know we had a big discussion on one of Shimelle's live streams about which tune Away in a Manger was sung to (UK tune goes up, US goes down) and there was dissent amongst Australians which might've been regional.
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Post by joblackford on Aug 9, 2023 2:56:58 GMT
I know nobody is perfect and nothing is perfect (especially me), but how do obvious mistakes get by and sent to production with no one noticing or speaking up about the mistake? My family used to refer to this as a signwriter's issue. When you're making words into art it can be surprisingly difficult to see basic mistakes in spelling and grammar. I have the problem all the time in Photoshop. I don't know if they've finally gotten spellcheck in the text tool but they definitely didn't a while back (and may not in Illustrator either) so you could be so focused on making the word look pretty that you didn't notice that you'd mixed up two letters when you typed the word in. There's also the more common errors like not knowing where apostrophes go in certain words (my parents called it the grocer's apostrophe: apple's $5) but the classic is 'Twas the Night Before Christmas that just looks wrong to people who never got taught that the apostrophe replaces the I in 'It was' rather than the space... I know Ali Edwards and co have messed that one up at least once for December Daily. But yeah, fresh eyes are essential. I found a pretty funny mistake in an Echo Park Christmas paper that was all word art but I can't remember what it said right now.
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Post by scrapperal on Aug 9, 2023 3:29:55 GMT
Do companies not have proof readers or product editors? Management rushing through, not paying attention to the final approval of a product before it goes to production? Does the designer submit it for production, with no one else seeing it? I work in publications and haven't worked with a proofreader in years. It just isn't in the budget. Fortunately, we do have editors, but it is impossible to spend the time needed with today's shortened deadlines. I always tried to find someone to proofread my work if it was going out to the public. Preferably someone not involved in the process so they had fresh eyes. You cannot proof yourself, that’s a recipe for typos. So true! My family used to refer to this as a signwriter's issue. When you're making words into art it can be surprisingly difficult to see basic mistakes in spelling and grammar. I have the problem all the time in Photoshop. I don't know if they've finally gotten spellcheck in the text tool but they definitely didn't a while back (and may not in Illustrator either) so you could be so focused on making the word look pretty that you didn't notice that you'd mixed up two letters when you typed the word in. Again, so true! I just checked and it looks like the Adobe products now have spellcheck, but since that feature wasn't available before, designers probably don't have the habit of making use of that tool. And I don't know if spellcheck would catch text that has been converted to outlines in Illustrator.
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 10, 2023 13:08:13 GMT
We call it the Hokey Tokey here in NZ! I always thought people who called it the Hokey Pokey were just making a mistake, because hokey pokey is a type of honeycomb, and a very popular ice cream here 🤣 That is so interesting! I've never heard it called anything but Hokey Pokey, but I'm in the US. Also, it's not a topic that comes up very often .
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Post by riversong1963 on Aug 10, 2023 14:41:44 GMT
When products are manufactured in the U.S., I expect them to have the U.S. version of spelling. If they are manufactured in other countries, I expect them to reflect the way words are spelled in that country. It isn't a matter of right or wrong. Different customs, spellings, styles, and cultures are what make the world a more interesting place. There are always work-arounds and other options if a word is spelled differently where a person lives.
Typos and bad grammar on products, on the other hand, are one of my biggest pet peeves. Mistakes happen, but companies need to acknowledge them and make them right. Years ago, when Echo Park was still new, there were 3 spelling/grammar mistakes on one sheet of paper and the coordinating stickers. I emailed them, and Jen Gallacher (a popular scrapbook designer and teacher at the time) replied. She was working for them at the time. She said that there were 3 people who proofed that line, but none of them - including herself - noticed the mistake. She offered me my choice of any of their other collection packs, and told me to keep the collection I had already bought. I wouldn't think that a company could do that every time they made a mistake, but they need to be more careful before they release a line, and make it right for the customer in some way.
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Post by craftymom101 on Aug 10, 2023 14:50:09 GMT
I purchased the Kelly Purkey Gilmore Girls stamp set years ago and one of the stamps had a spelling error. I think the address of the Dragonfly was spelled incorrectly? I don't remember (and I can't find the stamp set...), but once the KP team discovered the error, my option was to cancel my order or accept the spelling error. Nothing was done to send a replacement (correct) stamp, the stamp set wasn't reduced in price, and a correct digital wasn't offered. I was quite disappointed in her team's response, and I've only ordered a few times from KP since then. Mybe once per year? It was a small 3x4 stamp set with a handful of stamps; for one of them to contain an error was inexcusable.
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Post by lesley on Aug 10, 2023 16:20:45 GMT
Aargh - now I have the Hokey Cokey going around in my head, and I just know it’s going to be there all evening!
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Post by rymeswithpurple on Aug 10, 2023 19:07:22 GMT
I also noticed a spelling error on something on scrapbook.com once. I can't recall what it was, but I recall making a comment on it on the product page and the manufacturer commented and said it had been pulled.
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Post by Night Owl on Aug 13, 2023 3:03:46 GMT
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Post by artbabe on Aug 13, 2023 14:34:34 GMT
How does that even happen? Evidently not one person in the design process knows how to spell it. How weird.
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Post by GiantsFan on Aug 13, 2023 14:53:20 GMT
LOL! Maybe they were thinking I before E, except after C! Except of course for weird, freight, height, eight, their, skein, foreign, etc.
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Post by riversong1963 on Aug 13, 2023 20:22:59 GMT
I before E, except after C, or when sounding like A, as in nEIghbor and wEIgh. And, of course, "weird," "stein," etc., LOL!
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Post by joblackford on Aug 13, 2023 23:23:52 GMT
I can only remember the correct spelling because WE are WEIRD.
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Post by scrappieannie on Aug 14, 2023 18:37:39 GMT
As a writer and editor by profession, mostly in magazines and books, this is truly the million-dollar question. Even when you have layers of professional editing, typos get through. In my experience, two very different situations lead to errors: 1) The item has been seen so many times by the same people that it's no longer being truly "read," and 2) Someone made a last-minute change.
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