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Post by monklady123 on Aug 14, 2023 15:47:37 GMT
Who else has had to do this? We have a HUGE... I mean REALLY HUGE -- maple tree in our backyard. Our small backyard. I feel like we're living on borrowed time with all these big storms we've been having. We dodged a bullet a few weeks ago with the one that brought down so many other trees in our neighborhood. So I'm getting estimates and opinions from arborists who work with various local tree companies. First one came in and said he basically wants to top off the tree and do some cabling to keep the "torque" from the main trunks (it's a split trunk tree). Second guy takes one look and said "nope, I wouldn't want that in my yard!" He wants to take it down except for the main trunk (but that would be cut down to 30 feet or so) which I want to keep as a habitat for animals and birds. Two radically different proposals (with radically different costs! omg ). I called a third company. I also called the first guy back (because I like him better, lol) and plan to talk to him about the 2nd company's proposal. My thoughts are that I hate to take a tree down, but on the other hand every time the wind blows I worry. I'm lying in bed at night worrying about it. It sure would be a lot of stress out of my life if this tree was gone. I feel like it's a question of do we try to prolong the life of an old and not totally healthy tree, or do we give it a good death. And in a way it would still be "alive" because it would be providing a habitat for animals and birds. Those of you who have gone through this, what did you think? And what did you end up doing? My inclination is to take it down, but...
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Post by hannahruth on Aug 14, 2023 15:52:56 GMT
If it is that big I would take it down.
We have recently had a huge maple taken down and as much as I much as I miss as it was a lovely shade tree I am glad I don’t have to worry about it anymore.
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Post by mom on Aug 14, 2023 15:57:08 GMT
Take my advice with a grain of salt -- my area doesn't have many trees. But I would probably go ahead and take it all down.
1. If it's not healthy, it's only a matter of time when you will have to take it down. 2. Cost. Spend the money once and not have to worry about it again. 3. Peace of mind is valuable and if you are laying awake worrying, then its costing you your peace.
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Post by scrapperal on Aug 14, 2023 16:02:08 GMT
I know a few people who've had trees taken down because of their size, tree health, etc. None of them regretted spending the money on it. Better to spend the $ on tree removal than house repair if the tree falls on your house (or neighbor's house).
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 14, 2023 16:15:05 GMT
I know a few people who've had trees taken down because of their size, tree health, etc. None of them regretted spending the money on it. Better to spend the $ on tree removal than house repair if the tree falls on your house (or neighbor's house). In most places it falling on a neighbor’s house won’t have any financial impact on you. The only thing that you are responsible for is the guilt. Unless you know the tree is dead or dying. Our neighbor’s tree fell on our house ripping down the brand new gutters and taking down a good hunk of fence. Neighbor replace our shared fence, but they didn’t have to. Gutters were on us and our insurance . Fortunately our roof was fine and no one was hurt.
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Post by katlady on Aug 14, 2023 16:15:16 GMT
We have taken down 3 trees, including a palm tree. Completely removes them. The palm tree worried me the most about falling on the house. We have small lots. I don’t know why the developers planted so many trees. My main worry about the other two trees were the roots. When we redid our kitchen, there were roots that had grown up around the kitchen drain pipe! And when we redid the backyard, there were a lot of big roots that had to be dug up. My neighbor has a really tall palm tree growing between our two homes. I wish he would cut it.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 14, 2023 16:18:34 GMT
I would get it taken down. I like the idea of leaving enough to be a habitat. We have a large tree we are taking down because I worry about being crushed while sleeping. I wish we could make our neighbors take their 2 large trees down, because even though a large branch did damage to our house they won’t. Tree is in good health, just huge. Branch fell off when it wasn’t even stormy. Worries me every time there is an actual storm.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 14, 2023 16:19:38 GMT
We had a fifty year old tree with an almost four foot diameter trunk and about 30+ feet tall in our front yard. It was right over our bedroom. I LOVED that tree. It kept all of the afternoon sun off of our house and was like natural air conditioning. Every fall it lost all of it's leaves and for weeks we raked. The leaves were knee high weekly when they all came down.
It got to the point where I was afraid it was going to come down while we slept and kill us but it took me a while to let it go. Once it was down I wasn't as upset as I thought that I'd be. It was actually a relief not to have to worry about it any more. I do miss the wild life that the tree supported but it also attracted pests.
The main thing I was afraid of was how hot the house would be in the afternoon but it actually wasn't much difference thankfully.
We had the entire tree, stump, roots and all removed. It was thousands of dollars (can't remember how much, but it was a whole lot of money) but well worth it.
If I were in your position I would take the entire tree down, stump, roots and all. If you don't you will pay a handsome sum to deal with it now and in a relative few years you will pay again to have it removed. Prices go up and it will become more and more expensive to deal with it.
You can always plant another tree if you want to but most likely you won’t want to. Because it is the backyard if you need shade you can build a patio. Much easier to deal with than a tree.
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Post by quiltz on Aug 14, 2023 16:20:12 GMT
Those of you who have gone through this, what did you think? And what did you end up doing? My inclination is to take it down, but... So far the peas are in agreement, which doesn't happen very often. Take down the tree, spend the money on being proactive and then you can sleep in peace. I would (& have in the past) taken down trees in a similar situation. Didn't take down another tree as I thought that it was far away enough from the house. Hah! Not so much. A storm took this tree down and missed the house by mere inches! The cost to repair and (of course) increase in cost of home insurance would have been $$$. You might even get a bit of reduction in your home owners insurance if you can prove that you mitigated a factor that could have resulted in a lot of damage. Try this & see what happens.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Aug 14, 2023 16:42:29 GMT
I know a few people who've had trees taken down because of their size, tree health, etc. None of them regretted spending the money on it. Better to spend the $ on tree removal than house repair if the tree falls on your house (or neighbor's house). This is where I land. I have had to take down a bunch of trees. Some were sick but some were these GIANT pines that made me nervous in wind. I, actually, have some more I need to take down now that I bought the small lot next to my house. Again, a couple are sick but there are 2-3 super tall pines that, again, make me nervous.
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Post by snyder on Aug 14, 2023 16:47:03 GMT
Definitely take the tree down. I would do stump and all. I'm not fond of looking at a half tree. lol Very expensive, but you'll be glad you did. Plant another one in its place.
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Post by rst on Aug 14, 2023 16:55:21 GMT
We had a massive big leaf maple in our back yard with a split trunk. We did the cable stabilization route because the tree provided a lot of shade for our house which really keeps it comfortable in the summer (no ACs here). That lasted for a good 25 years, but when we started to see rot in the trunk, we opted to take the whole thing out. I don't regret taking the more conservative route. We got to enjoy the tree for many more years. Taking it out has really changed the entire ecosystem of our backyard, and we've had to deal with some erosion problems when the shade under growth plants died after losing their cover. We've planted several smaller native trees in the backyard, and I'm enjoying that. One unexpected consequence of taking it out -- the root system, which was extensive, is decaying, which apparently is ideal opportunity for many rodents to colonize. So we've had to increase pest control. Also, incredible mushrooms!
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Aug 14, 2023 16:57:40 GMT
Another vote for take the tree completely down. If you leave it at 30' you still have the issue lurking during storms. A 30' tree can do just as much damage to property as a larger one. Plant some new tree(s) that will provide habitat for the animals and birds.
We had an enormous red oak tree taken down about 15 years go. It has issues in the trunk and we spent a lot of money and several years trying to save it. I loved that tree and still mourn it. It was 100+ years old and 100'+ tall and it took them 2 full days to take it down. A couple of years after that Hurricane Ike came through with 100 mph winds in my area. As I rode it out alone, I was so thankful that we'd made the decision to take it down. Our only regret is that we didn't remove it sooner and not spend the money we did trying to save it.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 14, 2023 17:00:29 GMT
Please take it down. My friend's neighbor sold his house and the new owner received concessions because the huge maple in the back yard was going to need to be taken down as it was dead inside. He did not ever have the tree removed and over this past weekend it fell into my friend's yard taking out all of the fencing, the power lines, the fence around the pool, and so on. They now have a HUGE mess on their hands that they have to deal with.
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Post by Lexica on Aug 14, 2023 17:15:02 GMT
I love trees. Just love everything about them and the homes they provide to birds and squirrels. But I would also love my home and peace of mind, not spending time worrying about whether this tree was going to fall and damage property and possibly injure or kill someone. You can always plant smaller trees to provide shade and new homes for birds.
I’m trying to picture the scenario where you top the tree and leave 30 ft of it. Is there greenery that will remain on that 30 ft piece? I’m picturing just a tall wide trunk with little to no greenery, which is going to kill the tree anyway and eventually that trunk will rot and possibly fall anyway.
So as much as I hate the idea, I would have it fully removed. And I would ask them to put the large limbs and trunk through the wood chipper separately from the leaves onsite to give me the wood chips for mulch.
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Post by librarylady on Aug 14, 2023 17:17:40 GMT
We took down a tree that was unhealthy. Cost about $900.
Our neighbor's tree limb fell on our property, cost us $2100 for fence repairs. ( He refused to pay for damages. ) The limb was over 3 ft in diameter and the size of a tree.
Take it down. We
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Post by mbanda on Aug 14, 2023 17:19:21 GMT
We've had to remove several trees on our property & it's always a hard decision. We recently took one down in our front yard and had it cut down to leave about a 6ft stump. My husband did a chainsaw tree carving on it and carved all the critters we have in our neighborhood on the stump (squirrel, racoon, fox & a hawk on the top). He does chainsaw carvings as his job so I was lucky enough to get a beautiful piece of art done! We have a lot of walkers in our neighborhood and so many people will stop and look at it and the neighborhood kids love seeing the critters on the tree. Just wanted to give you another idea where you could save part of the tree and turn it into art for your backyard.
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Post by lurker on Aug 14, 2023 17:29:24 GMT
There was an approx 100' tree on our neighbor's property but hung over the rear of our house. She mentioned to DH she'd like to take it down. We offered to pay half. So glad it's gone. Was damaging our roof and gutters do to all the branches and debris that fell in the lightest wind. Just last week, dh was mowing when about half a smaller tree in the front yard split and fell. Barely missed him. Had the same tree guy come and take it down. I miss the old trees but have to consider the potential damage to ourselves and our home.
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Post by melanell on Aug 14, 2023 17:39:28 GMT
We are in the process of taking one big old maple down right now. It has dead branches, it's splitting at the base, has bark issues, & ants. The arborist told us maples to to showcase issues on the outside only after there is significant damage inside, so it's likely worse than it even looks.
It's been dropping chunks of branches all year. AND, 3 other maples, planted in a line with this one at the same time, have already died & fallen down on this property before we moved. I love the tree, and I feel badly about losing the last one. But 2 of the other 3 trees did graze the house when they fell. So it's definitely a ticking time bomb type of situation. Some of the branches overhand our porch, and we're about to have work done on the porch, so we want the tree down first. In our situation, the entire tree has to come down.
We have a partially wooded yard, so we have plenty of other areas available for birds & animals. So that is not really a consideration. We have several other dead/dying trees on the property, including another dying maple. We're trying to take down the trees in order of which is most likely to hit a structure. Then, when they've come down, we'll be planting new trees---albeit not in all of the exact same places. So we will be eventually bringing the tree count back up to what it was before these batch of trees all started running into issues.
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Post by basketdiva on Aug 14, 2023 18:50:21 GMT
Remove it- everything I've heard and read says that topping a tree is wrong. Google topping a tree and see what your tree will look like.
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Post by Zee on Aug 14, 2023 20:13:15 GMT
I would have it all removed and plant something new.
I love trees but not half-dead ones waiting to fall on my house!
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Post by deekaye on Aug 14, 2023 20:33:55 GMT
Another vote for taking it down completely. Living in the Evergreen State amongst trees, this is a common issue and trees are always being removed for safety reason. I'd go further and have the stump ground so that everything is gone and you can start over planting a tree that will provide some shade but not grow so tall.
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Post by workingclassdog on Aug 14, 2023 20:44:45 GMT
My friend just had their tree crash into their house after a big storm. They are now in a rental and most of their stuff is damaged beyond fixing. It's a huge mess. Of course, nothing is going right and their household stuff sat in the house almost six weeks before it was taken away by the restoration company.
I would take down.
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Post by auntiepeas on Aug 14, 2023 21:18:04 GMT
I'm another vote in favour of taking it down entirely. My understanding is, even experts cannot always predict when a giant tree may fall. There are a lot of giant trees in public spaces, like parks and reserves, here in NZ. So the assessment of risk and day -to-day management of them is a common task for local authorities, and it's taken pretty seriously. Even so, there are plenty of reports of publicly owned trees falling unexpectedly up and down the country. And just a couple of months ago an arborist was killed while working in Christchurch’s Hagley Park.
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Post by MerryMom on Aug 14, 2023 21:37:03 GMT
I know a few people who've had trees taken down because of their size, tree health, etc. None of them regretted spending the money on it. Better to spend the $ on tree removal than house repair if the tree falls on your house (or neighbor's house). I would add that a tree can fall down even if there isn’t a storm or high winds. My neighbor’s huge tree of 2 feet across diameter and 75 feet high fell onto our yard and there was no wind. There was no damage or rotten area that we ever saw on the outside. Our flag on the flag pole was completely flat. My husband was mowing away from tree, the tree fell, and the tree branches on top of the tree completely engulfed my husband and the Scag zero turn radius lawn ride-on mower. Luckily he wasn’t injured, just some scratches and a cut on the inside of his lip where his face hit the steering wheel from the weight of the branches hitting him. If he had been 3-4 seconds later in mowing that row, he would probably be dead or seriously injured. I was out back weeding, heard a loud crack, and I looked up in time to see the entire tree heading towards my husband. The tree didn’t snap at first, the entire root ball came out of the ground. About half-way down, the tree snapped at the trunk about 12 feet up the trunk. That was the snap sound I heard. The tree trunk was in the same row that he had just mowed. It turned out the trunk was hollow from the ground to about 20 feet up. The tree trunk was solid from that point up. It was a beautiful red maple tree. No dead or dying branches. I was 55 years old at the time and that was the fastest I have ever run in my entire life. My heart is racing just typing this. I do know that part of the cost to cut down a tree depends on whether there are power lines around, how much “space” is around the tree, whether you have the stump ground out. Just make sure the company is bonded. ETA: I don’t blame my then 95 year old neighbor for this, but her two sons (one who lives a mile away) said they would have a company come out “right away”. Their insurance guy was out the next day and took pictures. Two weeks later, no one arrived to cut up the branches and trunk. In the meantime, our driveway to the barn is completely blocked. My husband can’t drive his truck in and out of the barn (it won’t fit in the garage—F-250 truck 🛻). My husband finally called the sons and asked when it was going to be cut. They said “Oh since the tree is down, we thought it was no rush”. My husband said, “No it needs to be done as my driveway is blocked. If it isn’t cut and stacked in 2 days, I will hire someone and send you the bill.”. Then the older son said. “Oh I’ll just come and cut it myself.” My husband said “Not in my property you won’t because if you get hurt, then my homeowner’s insurance comes into play.”. I think they wanted to pocket the fee for themselves and cut it themselves. They were a bit huffy when they were out with the tree company. We still had to rake up afterwards and also buy some topsoil to fill in the dents in the yard, but 🤷♀️.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 14, 2023 21:55:57 GMT
Tick off another vote for take it all the way down and grind out the stump. I’m not a fan of topped off trees, they’re just ugly and wouldn’t likely provide decent shelter for wildlife anyway, plus it will eventually rot and have to be taken the rest of the way down costing you more money later. Take the hit and deal with the mess now and just be done with it.
We had to have a huge tree taken down at our rental house several years ago. It had to have been at least 4’ in diameter and probably 50’+ tall. It was expensive then (probably $1500+ not including grinding out the stump which we finally just did ourselves this year) and would likely be two or even three times as much to have it done now. The cost will never go down for something like that so bite the bullet and take care of it.
We recently lost about a third of a big maple on the side of our house. It’s going to cost about $2000 to have the rest of it taken down. The “branch” that came down in a storm was about 18” diameter, but the rest doesn’t look like an imminent problem so we’re waiting for the ground to freeze so we don’t ruin our neighbor’s lawn.
As for leaving the stump and having it carved, we went that route once too. We paid a guy $2500 to do a chainsaw carving and tried to keep up with keeping the thing stained and sealed but it was big and hard to do, so eventually it rotted out and fell apart.
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Post by shescrafty on Aug 14, 2023 22:28:33 GMT
We have to have a huge oak tree taken down. I love this tree-it is so pretty and provides the only shade in my yard. But the trunk has split. By the time it was visible to us-it was already split internally so we cannot save it.
It is over a power line and needs to be removed by a crane. It will cost close to $7,000 but it needs to be done: I am so sad for the critters that live in it, and the loss of shade it provides.
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 14, 2023 22:38:23 GMT
He wants to take it down except for the main trunk (but that would be cut down to 30 feet or so) which I want to keep as a habitat for animals and birds. So you would keep 30 foot of trunk? Would it be dead, or would you let it regrow? Either way - I would encourage you to not do this. A dead 30' tree trunk isn't going to attract what you want in your yard. Plus it will rot and fall. Regrowth on a topped out tree of that size isn't pretty either. Maples tend to look good on the outside, but old ones have all sorts of issues on the inside. Take it down and grind out the stump. Or at least take it down to short as possible. We are in the process of taking one big old maple down right now. It has dead branches, it's splitting at the base, has bark issues, & ants. The arborist told us maples to to showcase issues on the outside only after there is significant damage inside, so it's likely worse than it even looks. Yep. Maples sometimes don't look too bad (big old ones) but once you start cutting, you see what a hot mess is going inside. My husband hates cutting maples, as they tend to snap back and that can be very dangerous.
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 15, 2023 0:07:23 GMT
Thanks for all the replies! I've just been outside talking to a third tree company. The first company is the one that wanted to just cut of the heavy branches and then cable it. Second company shook his head at the idea of cabling this tree because of its multiple trunks and limbs. He says take it down, and he's the one who wanted to leave the bigger trunk for my habitat. The third company, the one we just talked to, also shook his head at the idea of cabling, and agreed to a much smaller habitat trunk if we still want that. He also pointed out some more dubious limbs. The first guy is coming by again on Wednesday and I'm going to mention the thoughts of the 2nd and 3rd guys, because the problem is that I still like him best. haha Which is of course NOT the main reason one should choose a tree company. I told my dh that you all agreed it should come down, and later he said to me "well we've had four opinions about the tree, so let's wait for the final estimate and see what we think." I said "no it's only been three.." He replied "no, it's four! The three tree companies and your message board." hahahahahahahahaha
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Aug 15, 2023 4:42:54 GMT
Thanks for all the replies! I've just been outside talking to a third tree company. The first company is the one that wanted to just cut of the heavy branches and then cable it. Second company shook his head at the idea of cabling this tree because of its multiple trunks and limbs. He says take it down, and he's the one who wanted to leave the bigger trunk for my habitat. The third company, the one we just talked to, also shook his head at the idea of cabling, and agreed to a much smaller habitat trunk if we still want that. He also pointed out some more dubious limbs. The first guy is coming by again on Wednesday and I'm going to mention the thoughts of the 2nd and 3rd guys, because the problem is that I still like him best. haha Which is of course NOT the main reason one should choose a tree company. I told my dh that you all agreed it should come down, and later he said to me "well we've had four opinions about the tree, so let's wait for the final estimate and see what we think." I said "no it's only been three.." He replied "no, it's four! The three tree companies and your message board." hahahahahahahahaha I was going to ask if you can have the first guy just leave the trunk since you like him the best?
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