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Post by peasapie on Sept 10, 2023 19:42:08 GMT
I can't believe I am the age I am and first asking this question, but here goes.
When I add cooked rice or pasta to chicken soup, and then I want to save some of the soup afterwards, the starch in the rice or pasta swells up and turns the soup into porridge! So usually I add the starch item to the soup just before serving.
But when I buy chicken soup pre-made in the store, it has noodles or whatever in it and they aren't swollen, sloshy and mushy. Is there a secret to keeping the rice or noodles from absorbing the soup liquid?
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Sept 10, 2023 19:58:55 GMT
Is there a secret to keeping the rice or noodles from absorbing the soup liquid? A couple of years ago I ran across a recipe for chicken noodle soup that had the answer. You make the soup, then cook the pasta separately. Add the noodles to the soup when you serve it! That way you can store the soup with no noodles/rice in it and just add the pasta/rice when you reheat the soup.
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Post by Merge on Sept 10, 2023 20:06:20 GMT
In the case you talk about, I believe they either add way more broth to the soup than you would for immediate eating, or make the soup, store it, and then add more broth before packaging for sale.
If I make chicken soup or chicken and dumplings at home, I usually reserve some of the homemade broth/stock to add when we reheat leftovers.
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Post by gracieplusthree on Sept 10, 2023 20:09:17 GMT
This has always drive me really crazy too.. why won't our noodles just behave?!haha.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 10, 2023 20:10:37 GMT
I just add more chicken stock when I reheat (usually from a carton). But I reheat by the bowl, covered, in the microwave, so the noodles don’t get mushy from constant reheating. Because I make giant pots of soup.
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Post by lindas on Sept 10, 2023 21:23:30 GMT
Is there a secret to keeping the rice or noodles from absorbing the soup liquid? A couple of years ago I ran across a recipe for chicken noodle soup that had the answer. You make the soup, then cook the pasta separately. Add the noodles to the soup when you serve it! That way you can store the soup with no noodles/rice in it and just add the pasta/rice when you reheat the soup. That’s the way I’ve always done it. No mushy rice or noodles.
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Post by milocat on Sept 11, 2023 2:10:05 GMT
In the case you talk about, I believe they either add way more broth to the soup than you would for immediate eating, or make the soup, store it, and then add more broth before packaging for sale. If I make chicken soup or chicken and dumplings at home, I usually reserve some of the homemade broth/stock to add when we reheat leftovers. I think we're afraid to make a broth and not a soup so we make it thick enough the first day then it turns to stew the next day. But it probably so be thinner than we think the first day.
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Post by Basket1lady on Sept 11, 2023 2:48:46 GMT
I often use brown rIce in soups. It doesn’t absorb as much liquid and doesn’t get mushy. For pasta, I’ll add it as I serve the soup.
I don’t know what commercial soups do. Maybe undercook it a bit so that it doesn’t get as mushy?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2023 4:00:13 GMT
I'd love to know the solution to this, too! We have a much loved chicken wild rice soup recipe and even if I slightly undercook the wild rice for serving (my preference, I like a touch of crunch to my wild rice) it still turns into wild rice casserole by the next day! Which is still tasty, yet not what we're going for.
FWIW, we regularly make chicken and dumplings with the dumpling recipe from Joy of Cooking and there is zero issue with absorbing the extra liquid in the leftovers. The dumplings seem to have a skin around the outside and the middle of the dumpling stay bread-like. One of our favorites!
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Post by christine58 on Sept 11, 2023 10:02:26 GMT
What I do is, I cook the pasta or the rice separately. Then I will add pasta to my bowl and put the soup on top of it or in the bowl. I don’t put the leftover rice or pasta in the soup to refrigerate it until it is cold. If you add all of the rice or all of the pasta to your hot soup, they will continue to cook and absorb the liquid
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Post by hop2 on Sept 11, 2023 16:23:27 GMT
Well, I like my soups thick anyway so I’m no help. IMO I like a good thick hearty soup that’s practically a stew.
My Aunt used to cook her starch in the broth, remove it, let it cool, possibly dry a little while making the soup. Then coat it with olive oil & add it back in. Which usually keeps it pretty good. I’ve never watched her cook a soup so I’m not sure if she spread the starchy food out or what to keep it from sticking. 🤷♀️
But I’ll bet for commercial soups, it has something to do with some preservative or other in the soup or pasta? For me all if this is out the window now anyway as Gluten free pasta behaves differently and has to be made/kept separate anyway.
ETA: most of my homemade soups thicken when cooled anyway because I prefer to make my own broth and that usually means the broth gels up a bit when cooled from the collagen from the bones, which does help from having it absorbed into the starches as much.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 11, 2023 16:34:13 GMT
I just add more chicken stock when I reheat (usually from a carton). But I reheat by the bowl, covered, in the microwave, so the noodles don’t get mushy from constant reheating. Because I make giant pots of soup. Just saw your new pic. I LOVE your hair!
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Post by pantsonfire on Sept 11, 2023 16:41:03 GMT
The only time I cook the pasta and rice in the soup is when I make a small amount and know I will finish it that day/night.
Like others, if I am making a big batch, I cook the rice or pasta separately. One so I can have left overs and the soup isn't mishy and two so it is safe for dd.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 11, 2023 17:35:05 GMT
Is there a secret to keeping the rice or noodles from absorbing the soup liquid? kinda makes you wonder what further processing the manufacturers do to make the rice and noodles stay firm. i should be able to pop open a 1-year old can of Progresso Chicken Noodle and find firm noodles in there in semi-clear both. that's some commercial level witchcraft going on there. LOL
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Post by lucyg on Sept 11, 2023 18:57:26 GMT
I just add more chicken stock when I reheat (usually from a carton). But I reheat by the bowl, covered, in the microwave, so the noodles don’t get mushy from constant reheating. Because I make giant pots of soup. Just saw your new pic. I LOVE your hair! Thank you! That’s my pre-chemo hair. I’ve lost about 3/4 of my hair now (better than bald!) and hoping it goes back to normal afterwards.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 12, 2023 17:40:12 GMT
I'd love to know the solution to this, too! We have a much loved chicken wild rice soup recipe and even if I slightly undercook the wild rice for serving (my preference, I like a touch of crunch to my wild rice) it still turns into wild rice casserole by the next day! Which is still tasty, yet not what we're going for. FWIW, we regularly make chicken and dumplings with the dumpling recipe from Joy of Cooking and there is zero issue with absorbing the extra liquid in the leftovers. The dumplings seem to have a skin around the outside and the middle of the dumpling stay bread-like. One of our favorites! Oh that's interesting. I wonder why that miracle happens with dumplings. So, I made it with the orzo separate from the chicken soup and it was perfect. And I stored the orzo separately (with a little olive oil mixed in to keep it from sticking) and it was perfect the next day. Looks like that's the way to go -- and THANK YOU, PEAS, for all your suggestions!
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Post by iowgirl on Sept 12, 2023 20:49:31 GMT
WHen I use my homemade noodles, they stay just fine.
But if I use store bought pasta - poof - that stuff just gets fat! LOL
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Post by Gem Girl on Sept 12, 2023 20:54:56 GMT
Is there a secret to keeping the rice or noodles from absorbing the soup liquid? kinda makes you wonder what further processing the manufacturers do to make the rice and noodles stay firm. i should be able to pop open a 1-year old can of Progresso Chicken Noodle and find firm noodles in there in semi-clear both. that's some commercial level witchcraft going on there. LOL "Better living through chemistry." Better for the manufacturers, that is. I'd be willing to bet the noodles in that Progresso would be the same if you open it in 10 years.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 12, 2023 21:11:29 GMT
"Better living through chemistry." Better for the manufacturers, that is. I'd be willing to bet the noodles in that Progresso would be the same if you open it in 10 years. my consolation during the zombie apocalypse will be that the canned food i find will still have perfectly preserved contents. thank goodness the zombies don't have the dexterity to use can openers so more for me.
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Post by ellen on Sept 13, 2023 23:59:28 GMT
Is there a secret to keeping the rice or noodles from absorbing the soup liquid? A couple of years ago I ran across a recipe for chicken noodle soup that had the answer. You make the soup, then cook the pasta separately. Add the noodles to the soup when you serve it! That way you can store the soup with no noodles/rice in it and just add the pasta/rice when you reheat the soup. This is what I do. I cook the noodles separately.
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Post by snyder on Sept 14, 2023 0:57:25 GMT
I always cook al dente and also add at the last minute before serving as others have mentioned.
I also have found if you use the most common brands of pasta, such as American Beauty, Barilla; they are just made of wheat flour. When the wheat flour gets wet, it seperates and turns to mush. A good egg pasta holds together much better and won't turn to mushy mush if not cooked to death.
My favorite pasta is Pappardelle's.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Sept 14, 2023 2:01:09 GMT
I use rotini spiral pasta in our chicken noodle soup and never have a problem.
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Post by iowgirl on Sept 14, 2023 15:25:07 GMT
"Better living through chemistry." Better for the manufacturers, that is. I'd be willing to bet the noodles in that Progresso would be the same if you open it in 10 years. How do you explain my homemade noodles. They don't get weird in soup, no matter how long they are in there. I usually roll them super thin, but I like the a little thicker sometimes too. They do plump up very slightly when I cook them, but they never get mushy or 'fat'. My noodle recipe is whole eggs, unbleached flour and a little salt. That is it. No other liquid or anything. I cook them in the broth, no separately. I wonder if it is because I mix/knead them well to develop the gluten? Nothing is better than homemade! But sometimes there just isn't time. I try to get some made ahead and keep in the freezer, but not always. I buy a brand of "Amish Klusky" noodles at the grocery store that are decent enough. They stay nice too. I haven't examined the bag for ingredients to see if there is any preservatives in it - but I am guessing there is something.
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Post by Gem Girl on Sept 14, 2023 17:47:24 GMT
iowgirl I'm just going to take a wild guess that it's because you don't add liquid. Think of the consistency of the egg whites in egg drop soup. Just wild-eyed speculation based on nothing, on my part.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 14, 2023 22:42:08 GMT
I'd love to know the solution to this, too! We have a much loved chicken wild rice soup recipe and even if I slightly undercook the wild rice for serving (my preference, I like a touch of crunch to my wild rice) it still turns into wild rice casserole by the next day! Which is still tasty, yet not what we're going for. FWIW, we regularly make chicken and dumplings with the dumpling recipe from Joy of Cooking and there is zero issue with absorbing the extra liquid in the leftovers. The dumplings seem to have a skin around the outside and the middle of the dumpling stay bread-like. One of our favorites! Oh that's interesting. I wonder why that miracle happens with dumplings. So, I made it with the orzo separate from the chicken soup and it was perfect. And I stored the orzo separately (with a little olive oil mixed in to keep it from sticking) and it was perfect the next day. Looks like that's the way to go -- and THANK YOU, PEAS, for all your suggestions! Do you think you’d be able to freeze the cooked rice or noodles if done separately? We make in bulk and freeze quite a few things and are stating to do this with soups/stews more and more. But I have several with rice and noodles I’d like to make and freeze and not have to do more than reheat on the day we want to eat it. In addition to saving prep/cooking time we also like that we don’t have much clean-up, just the glass Pyrex we freeze and reheat in.
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