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Post by claudia123 on Dec 16, 2014 21:58:53 GMT
Just wanted to get the peas opinions on would you take your teenagers belongings e.g phone, computer etc, if the paid for them with their own money that they earned from a part time job?
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Post by blue tulip on Dec 16, 2014 22:00:54 GMT
yes. in instances where they were using them inappropriately or as a currency for punishment. just because you bought it doesn't give you irrevocable rights to use it. the same is true in certain situations with adults- I bought and pay for my car, but it can be impounded if I drive impaired.
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Post by roxley on Dec 16, 2014 22:02:15 GMT
Um... Yes. Or you could just take away the Internet access code that YOU pay for. Or the electricity to charge them, or the phone service you pay for.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Dec 16, 2014 22:04:00 GMT
those things and a car are a privilege you have to earn the right to have them. so yes they can be taken away.
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Post by claudia123 on Dec 16, 2014 22:04:41 GMT
Um... Yes. Or you could just take away the Internet access code that YOU pay for. Or the electricity to charge them, or the phone service you pay for. But if they only use 3g and pay for their own phone plan? Only charge the phone at school or a friends ?
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Post by redshoes on Dec 16, 2014 22:08:38 GMT
yes. in instances where they were using them inappropriately or as a currency for punishment. just because you bought it doesn't give you irrevocable rights to use it. the same is true in certain situations with adults- I bought and pay for my car, but it can be impounded if I drive impaired. Agreed
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Post by Miss Ang on Dec 16, 2014 22:09:05 GMT
Yes. I have and my parents did to me. I paid for my own car and after a little incident of getting caught drinking (I was 18) they took my car keys and said that I couldn't have my car for 2 weeks. I shouted, "You can't take my car. I paid for it!" And my mother said, "Watch me." And then I did. 
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Post by Dori~Mama~Bear on Dec 16, 2014 22:11:27 GMT
I would and have taken belongings away from my daughter when she was a teen... Didn't matter who paid for them.... I only had to do it one time and after that she didn't have issues.... We got so lucky with her.... She was an awesome child, teen and is an awesome young adult.
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Post by myboysnme on Dec 16, 2014 22:12:05 GMT
Nope, no way.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Dec 16, 2014 22:13:55 GMT
Absolutely. I guess I would frame it as taking away the privileges of using the item, and typically for a certain amount of time. I wouldn't take their computer or phone or car permanently, but I would forbid the use.
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Post by claudia123 on Dec 16, 2014 22:20:54 GMT
those things and a car are a privilege you have to earn the right to have them. so yes they can be taken away. Yes of course they are a privilege but they HAVE earned them, working weekends for minimum wage.
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Post by vpohlman on Dec 16, 2014 22:27:01 GMT
So who's the boss? I don't get to use my phone at work and I pay for it. There are many things my boss has control over that I have and pay for. You are the kid's boss until he grows up and becomes his own boss. I like the car analogy. Just because I paid for it and own it doesn't mean I may use it when ever or where ever.
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 16, 2014 22:33:37 GMT
We have restricted use of items (DS paid for his Xbox but was not able to use it during the school week in MS), but not actually taken away anything they have bought.
I'm going to go with the "it depends" answer. When they were younger teens (13-15), I would be more likely to take something away that they bought if they were misusing that item (downloads bringing virus to computer, going way over data limits on phone, etc.) and couldn't demonstrate responsible ownership.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Dec 16, 2014 22:41:35 GMT
those things and a car are a privilege you have to earn the right to have them. so yes they can be taken away. Yes of course they are a privilege but they HAVE earned them, working weekends for minimum wage. Unless they are paying rent, food cost, utilities. They are living in my house, my rules and I will always set clear boundaries. My daughters Dad paid for her iPad and cell phone, I try very hard to ensure that consequences are logical. So if the problem is one of her devices then they get taken away. No I didn't pay for them, but having them is a privilege. In my house you have to maintain privileges its not a once and done!
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Post by grinningcat on Dec 16, 2014 22:44:37 GMT
I'm not really comfortable with the whole concept of taking things that aren't yours... so I'm not really sure if this would be okay or not. On one hand I get that parents feel they have the right to do whatever they want to punish kids but on the other hand I feel like it could cross a line I'm not sure should be crossed. So I have no idea. All I know is that I would have been more furious at my parents and less likely to modify my behaviour for taking something I bought than them taking something they gave to me.
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Post by tanya2 on Dec 16, 2014 22:49:25 GMT
no I don't take their belongings away from them as punishment, especially if they paid for them. however, i pay for the phone plan, and I still get final say over when they are & aren't allowed to go out - although that only applies to my high school aged kid. college aged kid (who is taking a year off to work & pay for all his own stuff) has different rules
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Dec 16, 2014 22:51:27 GMT
I just posted about this in another thread. My now teenage son was given the talk about what punishment is. Just because he paid for his gadget, doesn't mean as parents we can't take it away as punishment. He has a paper route and has bought many things over the years. When his Nintendo was his most prized possession, that would get taken away. As long as he lives under our roof, we are responsible for him. This includes promoting good behaviour and raising a responsible child into adulthood. Both my 14 and 10 year old have chores. They get a bit of money for doing the chores and are encouraged to think how to spend their money. When my son got his paper route it meant more money. He saves up for what he wants. We can't afford to give him the latest gadget of the moment like a friend of his. He has learned to save up for what he really wants. He also knows that anything goes when there is punishment. He knows what is expected of him.
Last year in the first part of grade 8 he let his grades slip. Some really badly. He wasn't paying as much attention in class and missing when deadlines were. His teacher was preparing them for highschool. Forgetting or not getting the due date right was no excuse. It reflected in a lot of the kids grades. Our son had that Christmas bought a new gaming computer. We paid half of it. He knew right away when he saw his marks what his punishment was. He asked how long he would not be allowed on his computer. He took his punishment and got those grades back up. At graduation he got the Boys High Achievement Award which meant he had the highest overall average. He was very happy with that reward. He told us he would never have gotten that award if we hadn't motivated him like we did.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 16, 2014 23:18:37 GMT
My oldest is twelve so we really are 't there yet, but I think I would avoid it unless the behavioral problem related to the item (eg, the kid is driving recklessly, car limits/grounding, or using phone I appropriately, phone limits/grounding).
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Post by MaryMary on Dec 16, 2014 23:19:29 GMT
There are things my kids have purchased with the understanding that if they didn't abide by the rules we had set, that they would lose that item for a period of time. Since it was agreed upon beforehand, I don't feel any qualms about taking away the item when they haven't upheld their side of the deal.
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Post by lesleyanne on Dec 16, 2014 23:26:03 GMT
I think the car analogy is a good one. If you bought and paid for your car, insurance and registration, it is still a privilege to drive it. And if you dh something illegal (excessive speeding, dangerous driving, impaired driving) you loose that privilege. Often your car is taken away and impounded. An authority figure makes that decision. It is what our society thinks is best for both individual and society.
Thus is the same as the OPs situation. And the later comment of "but it uses 3G and is charged at school" just comes off as whiny.
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Post by littlemama on Dec 16, 2014 23:50:50 GMT
I may not have purchased the item, but I can certainly control how a teen's time is used in the home that I provide for him. If that means taking the phone or iPod that he purchased, then so be it.
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Post by MizIndependent on Dec 16, 2014 23:55:26 GMT
Just wanted to get the peas opinions on would you take your teenagers belongings e.g phone, computer etc, if the paid for them with their own money that they earned from a part time job? I do not. If I think something needs to be withheld, it is always something that is directly in my control only and something that directly affects their freedom. Example: rides to places (not school/work/practice). I never back out once I've committed to something, but whenever the next one comes up..."Nope!" Disconnecting the wi-fi, works well if their computer/ipod is wi-fi dependent (obviously won't work if their phone isn't). Shutting down Netflix/movie rentals. Turning off the TV/Blu-ray (we only have one so, if they lose it, it's gone). I don't think it's alright to take something from your child they bought themselves (like a phone)...but you can cut the access they have to those things inside your own house (wi-fi etc).
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Post by *KAS* on Dec 17, 2014 0:01:34 GMT
So if your (general you) 13 year old daughter was using her iPad that she paid for with babysitting money to FaceTime inappropriately with a 25 year old man she met online...would you really still question taking away the iPad as her parent?
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Post by myshelly on Dec 17, 2014 0:09:52 GMT
I think it's only ok *if* the thing they are in trouble for is directly related to the item you are taking away.
For example, losing your iPhone that you paid for would be a good consequence for sending inappropriate text messages; losing your computer would be a good consequence for contacting men in appropriately; etc.
I'm not ok with using an item your child paid for himself as general currency/punishment.
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Post by LeaP on Dec 17, 2014 0:11:54 GMT
I think that different situations call for different measures. If my teen bought herself an iPad and then used it to broadcast inappropriate videos of herself to the world, I would take it away. On the other hand, if she was hellbent on something like that I am not sure taking away the tool would address the root of the problem. Recently, I took my daughter's phone for a day or so and in the evenings and so she could focus on her homework and go to sleep on time. She actually seemed relieved and grateful to see it fully charged in the morning.
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Post by melanell on Dec 17, 2014 1:43:27 GMT
You are merely taking away the privilege of using said item. They will still own the item when the amount of times deemed appropriate by the parent/guardian has passed.
It's not like you're giving it to Goodwill or throwing it out.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 17, 2014 11:19:30 GMT
Yes! It is often not just about the "thing" and who paid for it. It is often that "power struggle" with boundaries and respect.
I don't believe for one second that it is teaching a good lesson to allow a child to believe that just because they paid for something that there are not consequences for bad behavior, disrespect, negative actions or bad choices.
I think that allowing to believe that just because they paid for something gives them ideals that money (cash, things,etc) is what does the talking or rules the roost.
I'm not a parent that allows my kids to be the boss of us! Lol
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Post by scrapaddie on Dec 17, 2014 13:57:50 GMT
Um... Yes. Or you could just take away the Internet access code that YOU pay for. Or the electricity to charge them, or the phone service you pay for. But if they only use 3g and pay for their own phone plan? Only charge the phone at school or a friends ? You are the parent! Period.
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Post by tduby1 on Dec 17, 2014 14:34:02 GMT
Believe it or not, this WAS a discussion before our 14 year old bought her Kindle. Several months earlier her brother had something taken that was gifted to him from a grandparent. He half heartedly tried the "you didn't buy it, you can't take it" argument. He quickly gave up but when she started talking about buying her own Kindle we already knew to head off that line of thinking as a result of that incident. Our kid's currency is their electronics and when we take them we take them ALL- Phone, ipod touch, computers and tablets. I mean what good would be grounding her from electronics when she still has access to her Kindle with internet?
So, we DID talk to her about this exact situation before she even BOUGHT the Kindle. We told her the only way it was coming into our home was with the understanding we ultimately had control over it. We still had final approval of how it is used. We still have the right to check how she is using it if we feel necessary and we still have the right to take it as punishment.
She had a choice. She chose to buy it under those conditions. We absolutely have final say of what comes into our home and the conditions of which those items our used. I don't care WHO buys it. It is very rare the kids are grounded anymore, anyway. She was a few weeks ago and that was the first time in a long time any of them had been.
And as a s/o of the thread this thread spun off of, I mentioned to her (14 years old) that I was being criticized by a poster on a message board for "taking her room away" when she was 5. She laughed and said, "What were you supposed to do? Clean it for me? How would that have taught me responsibility?". Smart girl. I suspect in 10 years when I mention people thought it wrong that we took her Kindle she will have the same attitude.
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Post by quiltedbrain on Dec 17, 2014 14:36:31 GMT
I am in agreement with most of the other peas on this thread in that, yes, I would take away something my teen has paid for as a disciplinary measure. Another reason for this besides what has already been mentioned is that if I will bear part of the consequences for their behavior as their parent, then I will use whatever means necessary to influence their behavior, including limiting/denying access to things they may have purchased themselves.
If the teen is my minor child, then it really doesn't matter how they got the item--my purchase, their purchase or a gift from a third party. If the teen is using the item in an irresponsible manner, then it's my "job" to guide to their behavior in a different direction.
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