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Post by mbanda on Dec 18, 2023 16:05:55 GMT
I visited a scrapbook store this weekend and they actually had this trimmer in stock. They had one open so I could actually look at it & "play" with it. Hubby was with me so he bought it for me & under the Christmas tree it went I also like that it has a scoring blade. Like most everyone here I have gone through so many trimmers looking for one that will consistently cut straight. Fiskars, Creative Memories, TH Guillotine...I have them all! Fingers crossed this one will be as great as most say it is!
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Post by Shakti on Dec 31, 2023 13:03:05 GMT
So, it's bigger than I expected it to be, but I think that's ok. There's now a 12" trimmer in each of the large cabinets in my new storage piece.
It does seem to cut well. I love being able to center a punched or die cut circle over the track and bisect it. I'm not sure if my little Fiskars one does this or not, but it was exceedingly obvious to do on this one.
I am frustrated that the two blades interfere with one another. The blades are just enough smaller on the Fiskars that I've never had an issue, but trying to trim the 11" side of a letter-sized sheet, the scoring blade didn't allow the cut to go the full 11", never mind if I'd tried to cut 12". And I can't figure out how to remove a blade, another thing that's just obvious on my other track trimmer.
I went and fetched the box out of recycling, but there are no instructions, it just says to go to the website. Where I can figure out how to BUY things, but don't see any obvious page or sections for "how to use"....
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Post by Restless Spirit on Dec 31, 2023 17:02:42 GMT
So, it's bigger than I expected it to be, but I think that's ok. There's now a 12" trimmer in each of the large cabinets in my new storage piece. It does seem to cut well. I love being able to center a punched or die cut circle over the track and bisect it. I'm not sure if my little Fiskars one does this or not, but it was exceedingly obvious to do on this one. I am frustrated that the two blades interfere with one another. The blades are just enough smaller on the Fiskars that I've never had an issue, but trying to trim the 11" side of a letter-sized sheet, the scoring blade didn't allow the cut to go the full 11", never mind if I'd tried to cut 12". And I can't figure out how to remove a blade, another thing that's just obvious on my other track trimmer. I went and fetched the box out of recycling, but there are no instructions, it just says to go to the website. Where I can figure out how to BUY things, but don't see any obvious page or sections for "how to use".... I, too was a surprised about the size. Just a little bit. I was fumbling around trying to take out and put in the blade and scoring 'blade". This morning a sat down and watched Tim's YouTube video on comparing some of the tonic trimmers. I found it extremely helpful. The takeaways I found most helpful - 1) He showed how to use your thumb and fingers to easily remove and install the blades. 2) The two 'blades' are not meant to be on the trimmer at the same time. The trimmer is simply not big enough. 3) The scoring tool is very small/shallow. It is best suited for thin scrapbook paper and vellum. He prefers a scoreboard for cardstock and thicker media. Tim tells how to use a screw driver tip to push the scoring 'blade" out a little further for thicker material. I do love how straight it cuts. How easy it is to see where you are cutting. I really like the top and bottom paper guides that can be extended out. I recommend watch his video for other tips in the first half of the video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeAKD-E3m7Y&t=1941sHope that helps.
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Post by Shakti on Dec 31, 2023 17:19:10 GMT
Thank you. I had already given up and started the video (AN HOUR?!) on double speed, stopping it and switching back to regular when he went over the blade removal.
I am still peevish about hour-long videos instead of providing written instructions/guide. I might try going back to the video if I can get over my snittishness.
And some of you might remember that I am generally anti-TH, so....
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Post by kitbop on Dec 31, 2023 19:20:49 GMT
I am frustrated that the two blades interfere with one another. Yes, this is one annoyance for sure! My blades pop in and out fairly easily when in the middle of the track area. And my scoring blade had no trouble at all with extra thick cardstock for card bases, so I'm not sure what TH is referring to?
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Post by Restless Spirit on Dec 31, 2023 20:19:18 GMT
I just watched several other (okay, many, many other) reviews of this trimmer. I should say, I started to watch. The cons to the trimmer seem to outweigh the pros, but I really did detect a subtle, underlying dislike of TH and his products in general, so I don’t feel the reviews were totally unbiased. I couldn’t get far enough through any of them to learn much.
I really only wanted a demo, because the lack of written instructions is definitely annoying. Equally annoying was how defensive and grumpy TH was in his video in response to the reviewers. Ugh. Anyway, I found his video gave me the info I wanted. I tried scoring watercolor paper and some thicker weight card stock. There is a score line, but it is rather shallow. I have hand issues (I’m wearing a hand brace right now) and I feel I need to apply a fair amount of pressure to get the deep score line that *I* prefer. I’ll probably just stick to my WRMK scoreboard and an embossing stylist for scoring card bases.
I’m just a general paper crafter that buys what works best for me.
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Post by Shakti on Dec 31, 2023 20:53:42 GMT
I didn't look at any video reviews prior to buying; I went 100% on Pea reviews.
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Post by mbanda on Jan 2, 2024 15:28:46 GMT
I tried scoring watercolor paper and some thicker weight card stock. There is a score line, but it is rather shallow. I have hand issues (I’m wearing a hand brace right now) and I feel I need to apply a fair amount of pressure to get the deep score line that *I* prefer. I’ll probably just stick to my WRMK scoreboard and an embossing stylist for scoring card bases. I haven't played with mine too much since opening it but I found this to be the case for me as well. I used the scoring blade and it seemed shallow and I felt like I was putting a lot of pressure on it. I watched TH video comparing trimmers as well. I was disappointed he said the scoring blade was really for lighter paper as I was hoping this could be used as both a trimmer & scoring tool for cardstock bases especially when I go to crops. And I guess it could in a pinch but it doesn't seem to give that nice deep score like the scoring boards do. I did use it to cut some cardstock and it cut perfectly straight - YAY!!! That is what is most important to me so all in all I feel like I am going to be happy with this trimmer.
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Post by Shakti on Jan 4, 2024 0:41:54 GMT
mbanda, do you think you could score with the blade and then reinforce it by pushing the blade out of the way and running a ballpoint stylus through the slot along grove/score line when you were at a crop?
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Post by artisticscrapper on Jan 4, 2024 3:11:49 GMT
I was never all that interested in the scoring blade. It’s ok but I’ll probably just keep using my scoring pad. The trimmer works well and cuts nicely.
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Post by mcjunkin on Jan 4, 2024 4:02:34 GMT
Anybody else having issues with this silly thing not cutting straight???
I want to love it. But.....when I push the paper up against the bottom, it is off. You can see it does not line up straight with the grid especially on the right side of the blade. When I push paper against the top, it is perfect, so I know it is not my paper.
Waaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh. I think the plastic is molded wonky. I filed the right side bottom guide with a nail file to try to lower it. Then I just put washi tape on the left bottom guide and it makes it a little better. BUT I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SHIM A BRAND NEW CUTTING EDGE PRECISION CUTTER.
And exchanging it won't do any good. The base is molded plastic, so I don't see how a new one would be any different.
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Post by mbanda on Jan 4, 2024 14:50:04 GMT
mbanda , do you think you could score with the blade and then reinforce it by pushing the blade out of the way and running a ballpoint stylus through the slot along grove/score line when you were at a crop? Yes - I just tried it and that's a good work around!
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Post by breetheflea on Jan 4, 2024 16:42:52 GMT
I need to look more into this trimmer. Steakgoddess has been using one in her videos recently and I'm intrigued... I am currently using a Fiskars that has been Frankensteined together from a different trimmer after the ruler fell off. It cuts straight (at least it seems to) and I like the ability to find blades easily at my local craft store, but I'm not sure how long it's going to last before the ruler falls off permanently. I like that the Fiskars is light and easy to fling to the side when I'm not cutting because I don't have a very big desk.
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Post by kitbop on Jan 5, 2024 2:29:40 GMT
Anybody else having issues with this silly thing not cutting straight??? Oh no! I felt that this was the selling point of (yet another basic) trimmer - mine is completely straight. I'm glad you shimmed it straight but you are right, you shouldn't have to do that...
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Post by Shakti on Jan 5, 2024 12:04:30 GMT
I am a little taken aback to discover it takes up more space on my (also small) desk than my 12” Fiskars guillotine trimmer at least with the 12” rulers extended.
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Post by whipea on Jan 5, 2024 15:39:58 GMT
Just got mine a few days ago and so far no issues and nice straight cuts. Really like that the extenders have grip feet. Also, no issues with the blade popping off the track like with the Fiskars trimmers. The scoring option works well for me too. Less cumbersome than an additional scoring platform, but I do not make big lots of cards.
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Post by Shakti on Jan 7, 2024 18:04:42 GMT
I spent some time this morning intentionally using the bottom guide for cutting and did not notice any difference in accuracy.
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Post by Shakti on Jan 8, 2024 14:06:54 GMT
So, this morning I need to make card bases. I do prefer score then cut, since you're always scoring with a manufactured (rather than cut yourself) edge against the guide.
The TH scoring blade does indeed su-diddley-uck! Barely made a mark on Michael's/Recollections 100 (110?) lb stock.
So I decided to try a little experiment and put my Fiskars scoring blade (from the card making trimmer which can't score letter size at 4.25 on the short end because the bed isn't big enough for 11") into the track of the TH trimmer. It worked and scored much better, but it was so difficult to get the blade back out of the track that I was afraid I might break it. I guess I can't recommend it. But I wanted to share the knowledge.
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Post by kitbop on Jan 8, 2024 23:58:18 GMT
The TH scoring blade does indeed su-diddley-uck! Barely made a mark on Michael's/Recollections 100 (110?) lb stock. I'm super curious as to why there seems to be a difference in these scoring blades. My score blade worked great on 120 lb accent opaque for card bases, but obviously it's different than many of yours! I wish we lived close and could compare in person! Looking closer at my scoring blade, I can see how Tim's trick to use a screwdriver to bring the blade "out" a bit to make it deeper would work, and I wonder if it's just a manufacturing difference. They should get better QC!
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Post by Shakti on Jan 9, 2024 1:20:48 GMT
Well, damn, now I do need to watch his whole video...but really, if you're going to put your name on a product, don't you make sure it meets your requirements?
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Post by mcjunkin on Jan 12, 2024 17:52:05 GMT
I spent some time this morning intentionally using the bottom guide for cutting and did not notice any difference in accuracy. Thanks for the input. I have simmered down about having to fiddle with it, and my cuts are straight with the shim. So it'll all work out. Do check the video to see how to adjust the score blade for thicker cardstock.
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Post by Shakti on Feb 13, 2024 14:03:04 GMT
So, some time after I tried the Fiskars scoring blade in this trimmer, it started behaving a bit oddly. The blade carriage moved freely in the track when it wasn't pressed down and it cut smoothly, but when moving in the groove in the base (with the carriage pressed down) but no card stock to cut, it seemed to stick. There seemed to be something in the groove, so I sort of assumed that the Fiskars scoring "blade" might have been wider and deformed the plastic ever so slightly.
Then this morning, using it on very flimsy card stock, all hell broke loose and it was tearing paper and all sorts of chaos. I held it mostly upside-down and ran a pokey tool along the groove, since I now saw paper scraps in there. When all was said and done, that seems like all that was in there. No plastic deformation AT ALL. There must've been paper stuck in there before somehow? So I guess that's good. But it still doesn't seem to want to cut this cheap card stock. Maybe the blade is already worn out? That's not good.
How're everyone else's holding up?
EtA: Tried using a little alcohol on the groove as well, having determined that cutting already sticky/glued stuff might be the problem. Blade runs well.
Wondering if my issue with the really thin stock is that I need to use more pressure to hold it down than I'm used to....
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Post by kitbop on Feb 13, 2024 15:10:38 GMT
Shakti, mine's still behaving fine. My old Fiskars trimmers were often needing that groove cleaned out of paper bits. My bad - I have a habit of trimming a sliver off after I've put adhesive on and realized the photo/paper needs to be thinner, so of course the sliver sticks in the groove! I have found some filmsy papers don't cut well: start the cut in the MIDDLE of the paper (ie you'll have to cut in 2 directions) but that has often saved me. When you cut, does cutting "down" or cutting "up" the track make a difference? If it does, it's likely that there is a spot on your blade that is either nicked or dull. Mine still seems nice and sharp but I'm going to admit that I use my small guillotine trimmer for photo trimming, and I think that saves my Tim Holtz trimmer a lot of cuts cause it's only doing the paper. I fully expect to have to be buying blades for it regularly, if the Fiskars blades are any indication of how it will go!
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Post by Shakti on Feb 13, 2024 15:21:39 GMT
Thanks -- sounds like you agree with my assessment that it was actually sticky stuff causing my groove issue. Nice to know that the thin paper issue is a technique thing. I will definitely try starting in the middle (or using one of my other trimmers with thinner stocks).
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Post by Shakti on Feb 13, 2024 16:42:59 GMT
kitbop, I just read your update in the first post. I will take a closer look at mine tomorrow morning before I put my contacts in, when I can get that up close and personal and focus 4" away from my face. By track, do you mean the clear plastic thing the blade sits in or the groove on the base?
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Post by kitbop on Feb 13, 2024 16:57:01 GMT
^^this, the grey base groove is essentially fraying!
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Post by Shakti on Feb 13, 2024 17:09:17 GMT
OK. That's what I thought mine might be doing and I thought I might have caused it with the Fiskars scoring blade. Then I thought it was just paper. Now I'm just not sure.dem
But you certainly didn't put a different scoring blade in yours. Did you do the scoring blade "lowering" trick TH demoed?
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Post by jediannie on Feb 13, 2024 17:43:06 GMT
But the SIDES of the track are flaking/breaking! There are several places along my track where there are gouges/flakes/cuts in the hard plastic that makes up the track. There were a few pieces of the PLASTIC that I removed from the track! I'm certain these will over time lead to inaccurate and ragged cuts. Since this trimmer has seen only LIGHT use since December (gave it a work out with card bases but then less use) I am alarmed and think Tonic may have a mess to clean up here. I would contact Tonic and let them know and send photos. Hopefully they'll either send you a new one or something!
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Post by papersilly on Feb 13, 2024 18:07:06 GMT
FEB 13 - EDIT AND PROBLEM
After Shakti posted her sudden change in cutting, I took a close (glasses off, nose to trimmer) look at my "track" so see if I had any paper in there. No paper. My trimmer is still cutting well. But the SIDES of the track are flaking/breaking! There are several places along my track where there are gouges/flakes/cuts in the hard plastic that makes up the track. There were a few pieces of the PLASTIC that I removed from the track! I'm certain these will over time lead to inaccurate and ragged cuts. Since this trimmer has seen only LIGHT use since December (gave it a work out with card bases but then less use) I am alarmed and think Tonic may have a mess to clean up here. Sigh! My "perfect trimmer" might be garbage after all Given what I see on mine I cannot recommend at all. i'm so glad you posted this! this is not a small issue and you are right, this could significantly affect the accuracy and quality of your cuts. this is the reason lots of us get new trimmers----bad cuts. i really hope you contact the manufacturer and that they do the right thing and replace your trimmer. i also hope they resolve this problem for future editions of this trimmer. i own a few tonic products and they have been good but a flaw in a trimmer (that isn't cheap), is an issue and worth noting to others who may be considering buying it.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Feb 13, 2024 19:11:54 GMT
**EDITED BELOW FEB.13 2024** FEB 13 - EDIT AND PROBLEM
After Shakti posted her sudden change in cutting, I took a close (glasses off, nose to trimmer) look at my "track" so see if I had any paper in there. No paper. My trimmer is still cutting well. But the SIDES of the track are flaking/breaking! There are several places along my track where there are gouges/flakes/cuts in the hard plastic that makes up the track. There were a few pieces of the PLASTIC that I removed from the track! I'm certain these will over time lead to inaccurate and ragged cuts. Since this trimmer has seen only LIGHT use since December (gave it a work out with card bases but then less use) I am alarmed and think Tonic may have a mess to clean up here. Sigh! My "perfect trimmer" might be garbage after all Given what I see on mine I cannot recommend at all. Ugh. So sorry to hear that! I have Friskars that has the wire along the cutting track. I took a good look at it. I've had it for years. And see no gouges/flakes/cuts. Sounds like a quality issue.
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