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Post by Lexica on Dec 5, 2023 22:40:40 GMT
There are so many things that are so much nicer and more convenient for me in my new house than the old one beyond just switching from a 2-story to a single story home. So many things that were not apparent to me when I put in the offer. One of those things is the mail delivery. Mail is delivered to the house here in Oregon in the early morning whereas the California house was at the very end of the route giving us mail near 5 or 6 at night. An important difference when you are anxiously waiting for something to come in the mail.😁
In my previous home, all of our mailboxes were grouped, 4 boxes to one post at the curb, meaning the mail person just drove up and serviced all four mailboxes, which happened to be in front of my house, and drove off to the next group, rarely getting out of his truck. In this house, the mail is delivered through a slot in my front door, which is very handy for me, especially since it snows here.
In the California house, my dog frequently sat on the back of the big chair in the living room adjacent to two large floor-to-ceiling corner windows, giving him a view of all the happenings in the neighborhood. The only time he would bark is when someone was walking directly up the steps toward my front door. People could pass on the sidewalk and he would definitely pay attention, but would not bark. And when the mail was delivered to the 4 boxes at the street in front of my house, not a peep out of him. His bark was useful to me with my diminished hearing to know when a package was delivered or the Costco groceries were being dropped at the front door.
Since the mail here is delivered to each individual home, the mail person walks from house to house, going across people’s lawns. And my dog still likes to sit on the back of that same chair that is now placed in front of a big window overlooking my front porch so that he can continue to monitor the happenings going on in the neighborhood.
Only now, he barks very frequently. He barks when he sees the mail truck park down the street. He barks when he sees the mail person walking house to house across the street. And he goes extra nuts when the mail person comes up onto my porch to deliver my mail through the door. He will still bark when a package or the Costco delivery arrives, but nothing like when the mailman is in the neighborhood and I have no idea why. Fortunately he is not barking at the many people walking past the house. There are no sidewalks in this neighborhood and everyone walks their dog down the middle of the street. And we have lots of dog walkers.
And how he can tell the difference between the mail truck and the myriad of other vehicles that come and go from this neighborhood? You can absolutely tell the difference between his bark alerting that the gardener is cutting my grass versus the bark that the terrifying mail truck is parking in the neighborhood. And the mail truck parks across the street and three houses down from mine, not in front of my house, which would help to explain why he goes nuts at the site of the mail truck.
And the most irritating thing to me, he was trained to bark loudly to get my attention when necessary, but when I reward him for letting me know, he is supposed to do no more than what I call his quiet bark, more of a funny growl and snuffle, after his warning bark had been acknowledged. If he does a loud bark again, I have always been able to give him the command and signal to do his quiet bark and he always has obeyed that. But not since moving here. I have followed the same routine of reward for the loud bark and warning to do the quiet bark but he is still very agitated and I have to physically remove him to the back bedroom to get him to stop.
When I was first training him, I would go through his list of commands/tricks a few times a day and always again at night before bed to reinforce the lessons. I have started running him through the list at bedtime again, repeating the loud bark/quiet bark commands a few times and he never fails to get it right. I just hope he settles down to his normal routine soon because I absolutely hate a barking dog.
The neighbors cannot hear him barking. I’ve asked. Fortunately my house is extremely long with the three-car garages on one end and the rarely-used spare bedroom and hallway on the other side, buffering the main area of the house. I keep the door to the garages and that spare bedroom closed the majority of the time. And the windows are double-paned glass so at least the only person getting annoyed is me.
So after my prolonged explanation, my question is does you dog bark like crazy for the mail person, noticeably more so than any other person coming to your home? Why the hate for the mail delivery? We get the retirement community newspaper delivered to our homes, through the same mail slot, delivered by a volunteer of the community and my dog will bark to alert me, but will immediately go to his quiet bark when I acknowledge that I see the newspaper sitting on the mat by the door. How in the world does he know the difference between someone dropping letters and someone dropping a folded newspaper through that same slot?
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 5, 2023 23:26:36 GMT
Your dog absolutely knows the difference! Our Lab I usually quiet for the first few weeks at a new house, then is barky for another few weeks, and then settles down to normal. But you’ve been there a year, so I wouldn’t say that.
By any chance, does your mail carrier have dog treats? Emma will only give one bark to alert me and then “grumble” if she’s still upset. But at our last house, she would bark several times for our mail carrier. She loved him and he always had a pet and treats for her. So she didn’t want to miss his “visit”.
If you want it to stop, keep watch for those times when your pup barks and be ready with the correction, just like you did when he was younger. At this point, it’s unlikely to stop otherwise.
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Post by pinklady on Dec 5, 2023 23:40:55 GMT
My current dog never barks...unless my dad is teasing her. One of my previous dogs jumped up on a chair next to the window and barked any anyone who dared walk in front of the house on the sidewalk. I know when the mail is getting delivered because the dog across the street and the dog next door bark like crazy. But they stop when the mailman is gone so it's actually an OK thing. At least I know when to go look for my packages so they don't sit on the porch too long.
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Post by littlemama on Dec 5, 2023 23:49:32 GMT
Mail slots are a real thing?? 😂😂 Never seen one in real life!
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Post by pinklady on Dec 6, 2023 0:26:30 GMT
Mail slots are a real thing?? 😂😂 Never seen one in real life! Yep. I have a mail slot and my parents do too. It’s all I’ve ever know. I love it because everything comes right in the house, even small packages.
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Post by anaterra on Dec 6, 2023 0:51:38 GMT
If your mail is delivered early in the day.... cant u keep him in the back of the house until after ur dropoff and then let him guard??? Its not all day... and it will save your sanity and his...
Or keep the blinds closed until after mail and then open them up
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Post by anaterra on Dec 6, 2023 0:54:40 GMT
Mail slots are a real thing?? 😂😂 Never seen one in real life! Lol no joke... we dont even have a mailbox... we have to go to the post office
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Post by Lexica on Dec 6, 2023 0:56:18 GMT
Mail slots are a real thing?? 😂😂 Never seen one in real life! Haha. Yes, they are a real thing. I have noticed that there seems to be a mixture of houses like mine with the slot in the front door and others with the mail slot in their garage door. I had never seen one in anybody’s garage door before. I wouldn’t like that. This is the first house that I have owned that had slots into the homes instead of mailboxes. When I was a child, my aunt’s house had a slot in her front door. It was bigger than the one in my door. We were at my aunt and uncle’s home for dinner right after my grandmother’s funeral. Grandma’s house had been broken into and she was raped and murdered. The trauma was ever present in my young mind and I started checking to make sure the doors of my parent’s house were locked before I could go to sleep at night. I would frequently wake up at night and go check them too. When my cousins and I were playing in the driveway, the mail slot caught my attention. I wondered if it was possible to use it to break into my aunt and uncle’s house. I instructed my cousin to lock the front door behind me. I went outside and then stuck my arm through the mail slot and was easily able to reach her doorknob inside to unlock it. I was horrified. My cousin thought it was a neat trick and wandered off, but I couldn’t let it go. All of the adults were out on the back patio talking when I went to find my aunt. She wasn’t thrilled to be taken away from the group but came with me because I was so insistent that she had to. I repeated the request for her to lock the door behind me and I showed her how anyone could unlock and enter her house. She made me do it again for my uncle and all of the other adults that had come to see what my aunt was so upset about. Mom later said she thought I had broken something and was getting my aunt to tell her. My aunt told my uncle that she wanted something to be done immediately and that she would go stay with her sister if he didn’t fix it before nighttime. He and my dad ran to the hardware store and bought one of those things that you see on hotel room doors that stop a door from being opened. Not the chain, but the straight bar with the knob on it. It satisfied her for the interim until he could create a more permanent solution. They ultimately just put a mailbox on the wall outside and replaced the front door with a new solid one. She was so happy with me for showing her how unsafe it was that she said I could pick something from her house to keep if I wanted anything. She had tons of little dish sets and this really pretty stuffed animal cat that sat on her bed and looked so real. Before I even started to think about what to choose, my dad said that I didn’t need anything more than a thank you and that he was proud of me for figuring it out and letting them know. To be honest, hearing my dad say that he was proud of me was so much better than anything my aunt could have given me. And yes, I went and bought a door chain for my front door within a couple of days of moving in.
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Post by Lexica on Dec 6, 2023 1:05:46 GMT
If your mail is delivered early in the day.... cant u keep him in the back of the house until after ur dropoff and then let him guard??? Its not all day... and it will save your sanity and his... Or keep the blinds closed until after mail and then open them up That is a good idea for when I am busy and won’t be sitting right there to stop him. Ideally I want him to listen to me and to stop the lengthy barking spells. I don’t even mind if he doesn’t automatically go into his quiet grumble after I thank him for alerting me and I have to tell him to quiet bark each time. Right now, he is stopping for about a minute and then starting up again. I cannot just close the blinds because they are still the ones that came with the house, those long slats that hang from the top and are loose all the way down. Closing the blinds was my first thought too but he just walks behind the chair and sticks his nose between the strips to poke his head through and watches that way.
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Post by Lexica on Dec 6, 2023 1:07:28 GMT
Mail slots are a real thing?? 😂😂 Never seen one in real life! Lol no joke... we dont even have a mailbox... we have to go to the post office No mail delivery at all? Are you way out of town on a big piece of property or something? I have never thought about how places like that would get their mail.
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Post by librarylady on Dec 6, 2023 1:30:22 GMT
My theory: The dog is guarding his home and people. Along comes a stranger, who violates the property, walks to the front door and messes with the home! The stranger even pushes things through the slot, thereby creating more of a violation!! He is on alert for this guy to get.it.stopped! I don't know if it would work, but perhaps if the dog saw you be friendly to this "person who violates" the dog might be less hostile. Perhaps you could even give the mailman some dog treats and let him give your dog a treat when he comes by.
Perhaps if the mailman drops a treat through the slot .....
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Post by katiekaty on Dec 6, 2023 1:52:48 GMT
Mail here is delivered to a communal row of mailboxes- there are about twenty in our bunch and there are large boxes for package that open with a key that is placed in your mailbox if you have a package delivered. They only thing our dog notifies us for are food deliveries- a quick bark or two, sales people-furious I am gonna kill you barking, and happing I see you barks mor like yips with high pitchy barks when the Amazon delivery guy sneaks up on the house,
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Post by Lexica on Dec 6, 2023 2:01:08 GMT
My theory: The dog is guarding his home and people. Along comes a stranger, who violates the property, walks to the front door and messes with the home! The stranger even pushes things through the slot, thereby creating more of a violation!! He is on alert for this guy to get.it.stopped! I don't know if it would work, but perhaps if the dog saw you be friendly to this "person who violates" the dog might be less hostile. Perhaps you could even give the mailman some dog treats and let him give your dog a treat when he comes by.
Perhaps if the mailman drops a treat through the slot .....
I like your theory. I may try sitting on the porch with the dog on his leash out with me and talking a bit with the mail person and asking them to hand the pup a treat. I used dehydrated chicken strip pieces when I reward him for alerting me to something, but he is a smart little sucker and he should be ok if the mail person (I keep saying mail person because I have seen a man and a woman that regularly deliver the mail). So what is your theory for his being less hostile about the person delivering the newsletter through that same mail slot?
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Post by 950nancy on Dec 6, 2023 2:16:02 GMT
I have corgis. They are working dogs that have very strong personalities. The second weekend we were at the new to us house, the UPS guy stopped while I had the dogs out. He introduced himself, dropped off the package, welcomed us to the neighborhood and casually left 2 small bones. My dogs love this guy. They bark when they hear the truck toot toot when he pulls back into the street from the curb. Thankfully Amazon, USPS, and the other people don't ring the doorbell. There is only one window the dogs can see the front yard out of. Short legs have their benefits!
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Dec 6, 2023 14:48:38 GMT
I can relate! In my old house, we were in a quiet cul-de-sac, and we had a big front yard. I was alerted to dog walkers, but that was about it. In the current house, we have walkers all day, the mail comes twice - one truck for packages and another for mail, and the dogs can even see golfers on the golf course. All three dogs go nuts at least three times a day. On the plus side, our house won’t be high on a burglar’s list after they hear the racket.
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Post by KikiPea on Dec 6, 2023 14:54:26 GMT
My dogs hate the mail man, anyone in a large delivery truck, trash trucks, and busses. We get loud noise alerts on our Apple watches. They are SO loud. It’s even worse when they come to the door.
We’ve tried everything, but they only work on one dog, so it’s not helpful because if the other dog is still barking, the other will continue.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Dec 6, 2023 15:40:11 GMT
I had a terrier that hated the mail truck. She would go ballistic 2x/day, 6 days/week because the mail truck drove by our hours twice every day (once for each side of the street). I was convinced it was the pitch of the sound of the mail truck. There really was no other reason why she had such hate for it. She had basically no interaction with the mail carrier. She didn't bark at any other cars or trucks, just that one.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 6, 2023 16:34:19 GMT
I wish my dogs only barked at the mailman. Mine bark at every stupid thing. Delivery people, the mail lady, people walking dogs, neighborhood rogue cats, people walking or running (we have lots of runners and walkers and dog walkers in our neighborhood), wild animals and birds (deer, foxes, rabbits, squirrels, the occasional opossum, turkeys, pheasants, even some type of crane once), heck even the wind blowing leaves across the yard. It’s tiresome.
The mail slots I’ve seen sometimes go into a long vertical chute down the inside of the wall and have a bigger door inside the house. You wouldn’t be able to put your hand down into it because of the chute. My aunt’s house has a mail slot like that. My childhood home and my last house had a flap mail slot but they dropped into the enclosed front porch, not the house itself.
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Post by leeny on Dec 6, 2023 20:33:23 GMT
I have a funny story related to your topic: Both my uncle and my father were mailmen. My aunt (my dad's sister, uncle's wife) had a chihuahua that would bark at my uncle and/or my father if they came in the house in their mailman uniform. If they came in in street clothes no problem! It was something about the uniform.
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Post by Zee on Dec 6, 2023 20:50:53 GMT
My dog is the self-appointed Guardian of the Street. She lies on the ottoman facing the door and growls for every perceived threat, and the lady across the street gets A LOT of deliveries.
She doesn't actually lose her mind and start barking unless someone comes in our yard, but it's still annoying.
And it must be EXHAUSTING to be constantly on guard like that. During the day when I'm sleeping I bring her in with me and shut the door so she's not barking at the mail and waking me up.
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Post by Zee on Dec 6, 2023 20:55:47 GMT
PS your dog knows that truck has a certain sound and look so he definitely knows that when he hears it, someone will be coming to the house.
My dogs have always known the sound of "their" cars from a block or so away and would start getting excited at the sound of DH coming home before I even knew he was coming. Similarly, they could tell which motorcycle was his and didn't get worked up for other motorcycles.
Dogs have so much more information about the world available to them that we don't have! We must seem like puppies to them, can't see, hear, or smell anything, can't sense earthquakes, don't know when each other are coming and going, etc 😁
My dog probably feels that without her I'm on the verge of dying from Stranger Danger every single second of the day.
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Post by iowgirl on Dec 7, 2023 11:24:16 GMT
Lol no joke... we dont even have a mailbox... we have to go to the post office No mail delivery at all? Are you way out of town on a big piece of property or something? I have never thought about how places like that would get their mail. I grew up in a small town of under 1000 population. You went "uptown" to get your mail at the post office. Everyone in town had a combination mail box. I loved walking uptown to get the mail. I even have our old mailbox. When they changed out boxes to keyed ones, I got our old one! The only way you got mail delivered to your house, was if you happened to live on the street the mailman took, to go out of town to do the rural routes. I live on a rural route now and have mail delivered to my box at the end of my lane.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 7, 2023 11:33:52 GMT
At my old house my dog did not really bark at regularly recurring things. Mail carrier, garbage collection, etc.
However he did bark at the gas meter reader. Or at least that’s what I thought. I figured that was because it was only 1x a month. Then one month I realized he didn’t bark at the young lady who read the meter even though she was right outside his 2nd favorite window. Over time I realized that it was one specific meter reader that he barked at. That made me wonder about that guys character, what did my dog sense that we couldn’t?
My dog also went ballistic when the next door neighbors walked their dogs but quietly watched the dogs across the street when they were out. He had reason to dislike the neighbors dogs as one bit him & one bit me.
If only our dogs could talk. It might explain a lot
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