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Post by jennifercw on Dec 28, 2023 20:07:32 GMT
My shoulder has been bothering me for about a month or so. And I've lost range of motion - hard to hook/unhook my bra! Finally saw an orthopedist this morning and was diagnosed with frozen shoulder. Have been prescribed an anti-inflamatory medication and physical therapy.
Can anyone share their experience with this? Does it really last 2-3 years? How "stuck" did your shoulder get? Did the problem recur?
Google is not your friend for medical issues... I'm sitting here worried I'm going to lose the ability to use my right arm for 3 years!
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Post by Zee on Dec 28, 2023 20:23:18 GMT
I didn't do PT because it was $50 copay per session, recommended 2-3x week for several weeks.
Instead I worked out with weights and stretching on my own and got range of motion back within several weeks to a few months (can't remember for sure how long it was). You have to be willing to work through the pain to get there. It will hurt!
If you don't want to do PT for whatever reason, look on YouTube for exercises.
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Post by grammadee on Dec 28, 2023 20:24:44 GMT
Were you told your shoulder IS frozen? Or that you are in danger of it becoming frozen. I ask b/c I was warned mine might become frozen and the way to prevent it was physio therapy. My pt was excellent. Besides various heat and ultrasound treatments, she taught me excercises that would gradually restore movement and range of motion. Since then, I have used those exercises to keep my shoulder mobile.
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Post by arrow on Dec 28, 2023 20:32:31 GMT
I didn’t do any PT. Couldn’t afford it. Essentially I carried on with life as normal, using my arm to the widest range of motion. It does take about two years. I can remember being at work one day and suddenly realising that I had put something on a shelf with my right arm and not my left. That’s when I knew it was improving.
At its worst, I couldn’t shave under my right armpit, had to use hair removal cream. And I did have my long hair cut as H (at the time) wouldn’t help me put my hair up when DD went away on school camp.
I used to work for a Dr that used acupuncture on frozen shoulders. I didn’t go that route but it might be worth considering.
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Post by gar on Dec 28, 2023 20:44:34 GMT
I had what I thought was frozen shoulder which turned out to be 2 ribs that were slightly twisted/rotated which were undiagnosed for several months. It meant that muscles etc around the area had been sitting in the wrong position for months - it took quite a lot of physio to undo that damage but I’m at 95% healed now.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Dec 28, 2023 20:57:01 GMT
Had FS for about 9 months before I went to the doctor. PT for about 6 or 8 weeks with no improvement. Then a steroid pack and boom... gone. That was 2016. Never returned
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Post by lavawalker1 on Dec 28, 2023 21:36:30 GMT
I had frozen shoulder many years ago, and it was so bad that when I went to the drive up atm I couldn’t use my left arm. My right arm had to “help” lift my left arm to use the atm. It was practically useless for anything! After several sessions of PT and doing all the prescribed exercises at home, I decided to get a cortisone injection in my shoulder. Can I tell you it hurt like hell, but it made all the difference in the world, and in no time flat I could do my exercises so much easier. My dr said if I did nothing at all it could take 12-18 mo to heal on its own. It’s been probably ten years and I’ve had no recurrence.
PS - if you decide to have the cortisone injection, don’t have your regular doctor do it, go to orthopedics to have it done, they are much more experienced at placing the needle in just the right spot
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Post by katlady on Dec 28, 2023 21:41:42 GMT
I worked on my shoulder myself. After about 3 months of not being able to move my shoulder/arm, I slowly started exercising it. I started out, when I was in a hot shower, slowly moving my arm around. It hurt, but I kept moving it. It took about 3 months to get most of my range of motion back.
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Post by mikklynn on Dec 28, 2023 22:10:06 GMT
DH had frozen shoulder diagnosed after a major surgery. He had PT and it was good as new in a few months or less.
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Post by stormsts on Dec 28, 2023 22:16:15 GMT
I had a frozen shoulder many years ago. Couldn't shave my armpit, hook my bra, lift it to brush my hair. I did do pt for a couple of times. Once I knew what exercises to do I did them on my own. It lasted a few months then back to new. No problems since.
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Post by lindah on Dec 28, 2023 22:16:37 GMT
Not me, but my daughter just experienced her second FS. Both times, under heavy sedation, the shoulder was manipulated, think "yanked back", to break up the "scar tissue". When she woke up after the procedure, she had a little soreness. By the next day, she had full range of motion and went to PT one time.
She was told that once you have a FS, chances are it will happen to the other one as well and it did for her. She currently has no pain and has full ROM.
Hope you feel better soon.
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Post by nellej on Dec 28, 2023 22:19:10 GMT
Both mine froze when I was in my mid to late 40s. They did eventually get back to complete normality after 2 years. I started using bralettes I could step into. And I used breast stroke movements as physio.
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Post by bdhudak on Dec 28, 2023 23:00:01 GMT
I had it occur to each arm two years apart. Both resolved in a few months time. I did pt and it was sort of helpful but mostly just time to get thru it. It’s like a bell curve, starts mild gets worse and then resolved.
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Post by AussieMeg on Dec 28, 2023 23:18:33 GMT
I am going to copy and paste my reply from an old thread, because I can't actually remember now!
I had frozen shoulder in my left shoulder that started in January 2018. It lasted 12 months. Apart from the exercise where you "crawl" your arm up the wall, I didn't do anything, and it just got better on its own. (I couldn't afford to go to a physio regularly.) Then just as that got better, wouldn't you know it, I got it in my right shoulder! By that time my DD was in her final year of her Physiotherapy degree, and she put together an exercise plan for me. I believe it helped, and it got better considerably quicker than the first one - I think about 8 months. I wasn't really diligent with the exercises, and I'm sure I would have recovered quicker if I had been more diligent.
My right shoulder was a LOT more painful and debilitating than my left arm. There were nights that I had to sleep in my clothes because I couldn't get undressed! And if I made any sudden movements with my arm, OMG the pain would nearly make me pass out.
I know several people who have had frozen shoulders (my mum, my dad, my boss, my BFF). All of our experiences were different.
My dad got a cortisone injection and said it was extremely painful but it worked. My BBF got a cortisone injection and said it wasn't painful but it didn't really work. My mum had it in both shoulders at once, poor thing - I don't know how she did anything.
I have heard about people getting relief with hydrodilatation.
Regarding the MRI - I was told that a frozen shoulder cannot be seen on MRIs, ultrasounds and x-rays. The only reason to have them is to rule out anything else like a meniscal tear or bursitis. I had an ultrasound and an x-ray. They then diagnosed frozen shoulder based on the limited movement I had, and the pain I was getting when they asked me to put my arm in certain positions while they were doing the ultrasound.
Good luck, I hope you recover quickly - it can be so debilitating!
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Post by moretimeplease on Dec 29, 2023 0:08:47 GMT
I had the same symptoms as frozen shoulder, but it would come in flares. I would have the pain and poor range of motion for weeks at a time and then it would just disappear. After several flare cycles, it came back and stayed. And stayed and stayed. I tried some PT, but got no relief. One day I got fed up and went to the walk in clinic at Summit Orthopedic. They did an X-ray and I had an impingement in the joint with a lot of inflammation. They gave me a steroid shot and it helped almost immediately. Knock on wood… I haven’t had any shoulder pain since then.
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Post by dewryce on Dec 29, 2023 2:02:08 GMT
DH says it depends on how severe it starts, and how far you let it go. Did your doctor mention what stage you were in? Like most things, if you attack it from the beginning and try to stop the progression it will take less time to heal. Most average 6-9 months. If you can, definitely do the physical therapy as often as prescribed, and make sure you do your homework too! As to reoccurring, that’s much more likely if you’re diabetic with thyroid issues. If you start to feel it pop up again, get started on your PT exercises right away and if it doesn’t stop progressing and/or start getting better get back to the doctor.
Something that helped him was to alternate between ice and heat. And don’t not move it, that’s the worst thing you can do! Keep moving it within your minimal pain tolerance. Pendulum exercises were simple for him to do and kept it moving.
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Post by originalvanillabean on Dec 29, 2023 6:13:27 GMT
I dislocated my shoulder a few years ago and the PT was too aggressive (3x/wk) for me so I got FS.
I believe it lasted 2-3 months and then started to thaw. Needless to say I found a better PT (that actually had my recovery as first priority, not $$)
The shoulder was very stuck and I could barely get it past my armpit. Miserable memories but after the inflammation went down, I was able to do the daily exercises and get better. The best healer was time.
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Post by h2ohdog on Dec 29, 2023 11:32:23 GMT
My much-hated doctor diagnosed me with frozen shoulder 7 years ago with nothing but a description from me. She tossed a booklet at me which was no help. It resolved pretty quickly so I doubt she was correct. Fast forward to this summer when I started doing some youtube exercises and the back of my right arm (not the shoulder) started to really hurt at night, waking me up. I told my new dr about it and she sent me for PT, which is thankfully paid for by Medicare. It is mostly resolved but shortly after I started PT, the same thing happened to my left arm. So weird. My range of motion was not affected much. I did some PT plus my PT gave me home exercises and some exercises to help me at the local gym, which I’ve been doing. Both arms are better. TL;DR-ish: So all that so say, I thought this latest might be frozen shoulder, and I frequent Reddit and saw there is a frozen shoulder subreddit that might have some help for you, jennifercw
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Post by AussieMeg on Dec 29, 2023 12:15:37 GMT
Not me, but my daughter just experienced her second FS. Totally off topic, but I am really happy to see you lindah! I've missed your gorgeous smile. I hope you've been well.
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Post by lindah on Dec 29, 2023 12:23:49 GMT
Not me, but my daughter just experienced her second FS. Totally off topic, but I am really happy to see you lindah ! I've missed your gorgeous smile. I hope you've been well. Thank you, AussieMeg. I have been fine, am here every day. I appreciate your kind words!
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Dec 29, 2023 15:20:20 GMT
I had frozen shoulder that was discovered during rotator cuff surgery last month, so it was fixed during the surgery. This was my 2nd rotator cuff surgery, but the frozen shoulder has made the recovery much harder. In a way, I’m glad it was surgically repaired, because it will heal faster in the long run, but the description of them pulling my arm up and breaking up the scar tissue sounds brutal - I’m glad I was out for that! I had a cortisone shot prior to surgery, but it only helped a little for a couple of weeks.
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Post by jennifercw on Dec 29, 2023 17:08:49 GMT
Thank you all for sharing! I really appreciate it. Were you told your shoulder IS frozen? Or that you are in danger of it becoming frozen. I ask b/c I was warned mine might become frozen and the way to prevent it was physio therapy. My pt was excellent. Besides various heat and ultrasound treatments, she taught me excercises that would gradually restore movement and range of motion. Since then, I have used those exercises to keep my shoulder mobile. Well the diagnosis was frozen shoulder but I'm not sure what stage I am technically in. I'm not in constant pain and never really was, although there was certainly more general discomfort a few weeks ago when compared to now. Overall my ROM is pretty good - it's mostly just reaching up behind my back that I simply cannot do. So I guess I have a "mild" case or I'm still in the freezing stage? I had frozen shoulder many years ago, and it was so bad that when I went to the drive up atm I couldn’t use my left arm. My right arm had to “help” lift my left arm to use the atm. It was practically useless for anything! After several sessions of PT and doing all the prescribed exercises at home, I decided to get a cortisone injection in my shoulder. Can I tell you it hurt like hell, but it made all the difference in the world, and in no time flat I could do my exercises so much easier. My dr said if I did nothing at all it could take 12-18 mo to heal on its own. It’s been probably ten years and I’ve had no recurrence. PS - if you decide to have the cortisone injection, don’t have your regular doctor do it, go to orthopedics to have it done, they are much more experienced at placing the needle in just the right spot The orthopedist has scheduled a recheck in mid-February. He talked about a cortisone injection as an option at that time if I am not improving with medication and PT. TL;DR-ish: So all that so say, I thought this latest might be frozen shoulder, and I frequent Reddit and saw there is a frozen shoulder subreddit that might have some help for you, jennifercwThanks for the subreddit suggestion. Lots of personal experiences there to look over! DH says it depends on how severe it starts, and how far you let it go. Did your doctor mention what stage you were in? Like most things, if you attack it from the beginning and try to stop the progression it will take less time to heal. Most average 6-9 months. If you can, definitely do the physical therapy as often as prescribed, and make sure you do your homework too! As to reoccurring, that’s much more likely if you’re diabetic with thyroid issues. If you start to feel it pop up again, get started on your PT exercises right away and if it doesn’t stop progressing and/or start getting better get back to the doctor. Something that helped him was to alternate between ice and heat. And don’t not move it, that’s the worst thing you can do! Keep moving it within your minimal pain tolerance. Pendulum exercises were simple for him to do and kept it moving. I do have thyroid issues (goiter) and orthopedist mentioned that can play a roll. No mention of stage. Based on what I am reading online I am either in the frozen stage but lucky to have a 'mild' case or I'm still in the freezing stage and can expect ROM to become more limited? The only time it hurts is when hooking/unhooking my bra, but I'm able to continue even that movement at the moment. I just am completely unable to reach my right arm behind my back any higher than my bra strap. And really it doesn't go that high, I am just pulling the strap down in order to get it hooked. Not me, but my daughter just experienced her second FS. Both times, under heavy sedation, the shoulder was manipulated, think "yanked back", to break up the "scar tissue". When she woke up after the procedure, she had a little soreness. By the next day, she had full range of motion and went to PT one time. She was told that once you have a FS, chances are it will happen to the other one as well and it did for her. She currently has no pain and has full ROM. Hope you feel better soon. It is particularly helpful to hear that full ROM will eventually return so thank you for that. And thanks for the well wishes!
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Post by femalebusiness on Dec 29, 2023 17:47:59 GMT
I had it for a couple of years. I did a little reading and diagnosed myself. I did stretching and some exercises that I found online but they didn't help much. I could hardly lift my arm. Several months ago I realized that it was all better, didn't hurt any more and I can lift my arm easily now. I had read that it would spontaneously heal itself and it did. Weird!
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Post by chrissyc72 on Dec 29, 2023 23:05:10 GMT
I had it for about a year and a half. I did something to my shoulder and went to the ortho who ordered pt without scans or mri and I developed frozen shoulder since what they were doing was making it worse. I did get pt for it for a few months but stopped cause it really wasn’t doing much. It took a while but finally went away completely.
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Post by grammadee on Dec 30, 2023 4:32:48 GMT
jennifercw, my PT recommended that I keep it moving, but only to the point of pain, not beyond it. Push a little further each day, but don't overdo it. There were two exercises I found most useful and led to most improvement. I always started by either taking a hot shower or putting a hot pack on my shoulder to warm the muscles first. 1) walking the fingers up the wall, like AussieMeg mentioned. Stand at arm's length from the wall. Rest your fingers on the wall and walk them up gradually, just until discomfort, stepping closer to the wall as you can walk them higher. 2) "drying" your back: take one end of a bath towel in each hand. Flip it over your head with your good hand. Now use your good hand to pull your injured one up behind your back. Again, just to the edge of discomfort. I did ten reps of each of these about three times per day, increasing the range of motion seemed to go naturally. I added these to the routine a different PT gave me when I was recovering from a broken upper arm, and she was amazed by how much progress I made between visits.
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Post by MichyM on Nov 16, 2024 20:08:33 GMT
jennifercw I'm bumping this to see how you're doing a year later. I was diagnosed this past spring (dominant arm here as well) and over the last 5-6 days the pain has increased markedly (I did not do anything to cause it). My range of motion issues have not worsened from where they've been. I'm disappointed that I may have to live with this pain for quite a bit longer. I have a message in to my NP, but won't hear back from her till some time next week. Do you feel like the PT helped? Ad could you tell me what anti-inflammatory you were prescribed? Right now I'm alternating between 600mg of ibuprofen and 2 Hydrocodone tablets and they are barely helping. I am unable to sleep well, and the pain is also all-encompassing during the daytime. Anyhow, I'd love to hear an update from you if you feel like it. Thanks!
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