pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 9, 2024 15:51:44 GMT
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 9, 2024 15:52:14 GMT
California would ban all plastic shopping bags in 2026 under a new bill announced Thursday in the state Legislature.
California already bans thin plastic shopping bags at grocery stores and other shops, but shoppers at checkout can purchase bags made with a thicker plastic that purportedly makes them reusable and recyclable.
Democratic state Sen. Catherine Blakespear said people are not reusing or recycling those bags. She points to a state study that found the amount of plastic shopping bags trashed per person grew from 8 pounds per year in 2004 to 11 pounds per year in 2021.
"It shows that the plastic bag ban that we passed in this state in 2014 did not reduce the overall use of plastic. It actually resulted in a substantial increase in plastic," Blakespear, a Democrat from Encinitas, said Thursday. "We are literally choking our planet with plastic waste."
Twelve states, including California, already have some type of statewide plastic bag ban in place, according to the environmental advocacy group Environment America Research & Policy Center. Hundreds of cities across 28 states also have their own plastic bag bans in place.
The California Legislature passed its statewide ban on plastic bags in 2014. The law was later affirmed by voters in a 2016 referendum.
If the Legislature passes this bill, it would be up to Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom to decide whether to sign it into law. As San Francisco's mayor in 2007, Newsom signed the nation's first plastic bag ban.
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 9, 2024 15:55:00 GMT
So people are not reusing the thicker plastic bags. Plastic waste per pound has increases. I mean they are heavier and bigger.
I honestly thought they should have mo ed to reusable or paper. I get paper bags at Stater Bros when I do curbside. And I save them.
I get the thick plastic here and there for when I buy raw packaged meats. I use them awhile, then recycle and get new ones. Sometimes those packages leak and I don't want the juices in my nice reusable bags.
We have been using reusable bags for about 16-17 years.
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Post by chaosisapony on Feb 9, 2024 15:58:25 GMT
This is so obvious it's laughable. When the original bag ban took place myself and literally every person I know saw the new, thicker bags and said "Oh yeah, THAT makes sense!" The only thing that changed is that we pay for what we used to get for free.
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 9, 2024 15:59:41 GMT
That kind of surprises me about the increase of plastic. Colorado did away with free plastic bags January 2023. You had to pay 10 cents a bag. Did that mean I didn't buy them? Pretty much. I brought my own bag and spent 30 cents all year when I forgot a bag and had to have something to carry my stuff out in. All three times it was at Dollar Tree. My husband does the grocery shopping and I bought him those nice sturdy flat totes on Amazon. They hold a ton.
Now we have 10 cent NICE paper bags available. For me, the ban really helped me get rid of all of the extra plastic. I pick up poop with the plastic bags, but am running short on all of those extra bags pre 2023.
ETA: If I forgot my bag somewhere, I'd take the cart and load my stuff into the totes in my vehicle. Our Dollar Tree has those long poles on the carts so you can't take them out of the store.
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 9, 2024 16:01:38 GMT
That kind of surprises me about the increase of plastic. Colorado did away with free plastic bags January 2023. You had to pay 10 cents a bag. Did that mean I didn't buy them? Pretty much. I brought my own bag and spent 30 cents all year when I forgot a bag and had to have something to carry my stuff out in. All three times it was at Dollar Tree. My husband does the grocery shopping and I bought him those nice sturdy flat totes on Amazon. They hold a ton. Now we have 10 cent NICE paper bags available. For me, the ban really helped me get rid of all of the extra plastic. I pick up poop with the plastic bags, but am running short on all of those extra bags pre 2023. I buy compostable plastic poop bags. I get mine at a local pet store.
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 9, 2024 16:02:46 GMT
That kind of surprises me about the increase of plastic. Colorado did away with free plastic bags January 2023. You had to pay 10 cents a bag. Did that mean I didn't buy them? Pretty much. I brought my own bag and spent 30 cents all year when I forgot a bag and had to have something to carry my stuff out in. All three times it was at Dollar Tree. My husband does the grocery shopping and I bought him those nice sturdy flat totes on Amazon. They hold a ton. Now we have 10 cent NICE paper bags available. For me, the ban really helped me get rid of all of the extra plastic. I pick up poop with the plastic bags, but am running short on all of those extra bags pre 2023. I buy compostable plastic poop bags. I get mine at a local pet store. I have those for when we take our dogs on walks. I use the big bags for the dog waste that is in the yard. The poop bags are too small for that.
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Post by Basket1lady on Feb 9, 2024 16:04:50 GMT
We still have the thin plastic bags here for no charge. When I get a grocery pickup, they use the thicker bags. They are nice to use, but I only need a few. I’ve actually gone into the store vs using the pickup service because I don’t want more of the thicker bags. I do reuse the thin bags on a daily basis for pet waste.
When we lived in Belgium, you either brought your own bags or bought a reusable bag. A lot of people would just bring their cart to the car and load bags from there. It wasn’t a big deal and I just bought bags for pet waste instead of using grocery bags.
Our biggest use of plastic bags is pet waste and I don’t know how to get away from it. We just don’t have a woodsy area or a large enough yard to let it decompose naturally, so it has to go into our trash.
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Post by breetheflea on Feb 9, 2024 16:07:19 GMT
WA banned the flimsy bags about the same time Covid started. At first there were no bags (even paper) to use at the check stands, so I did a lot of filling my cart directly into my trunk... Now I rarely have to pay 8 cents a bag because I am cheap and remember to bring my reusable bags into the store. The one place I usually forget to bring them in is at Target...
The ban was on flimsy plastic bags, but they sneaked in making you pay for any bag, even paper.
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Post by Merge on Feb 9, 2024 16:08:42 GMT
We still have the thin plastic bags here for no charge. When I get a grocery pickup, they use the thicker bags. They are nice to use, but I only need a few. I’ve actually gone into the store vs using the pickup service because I don’t want more of the thicker bags. I do reuse the thin bags on a daily basis for pet waste. When we lived in Belgium, you either brought your own bags or bought a reusable bag. A lot of people would just bring their cart to the car and load bags from there. It wasn’t a big deal and I just bought bags for pet waste instead of using grocery bags. Our biggest use of plastic bags is pet waste and I don’t know how to get away from it. We just don’t have a woodsy area or a large enough yard to let it decompose naturally, so it has to go into our trash. Compostable poop bags are pretty widely available. You may actually be using them and not realize it.
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Post by Merge on Feb 9, 2024 16:09:44 GMT
Good for California. Texas will never do this, of course, because god forbid anyone be inconvenienced to keep plastic from destroying our waterways.
(Yet in the “good old days” they want to return to, plastic bags were not a thing. You got paper bags or used your own shopping bag or just carried your stuff.)
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Post by melanell on Feb 9, 2024 16:32:55 GMT
I'm curious as to what the newer thicker plastic bags are like. I know Aldi sells some plastic bags that are heavier than your usual grocery bag, but still not very reusable in my opinion because the plastic develops holes or stretched out areas very easily. Sure, you could use them a few times, but I like a reusable bag to last a lot longer than that.
We've been using our own reusable bags for ages. We love a certain type that Wegmans ( a regional store) sells (polypropylene bag with fabric handles) and we own several of them. Then we have about 4 cold bags from Aldi. Those have a more limited life span, as the handles eventually break, but even so, they last us a few years each at least. The Wegman bags, though, last us a decade or more per bag.
Now Wegmans recently came out with lightweight fabric bags, that, in my opinion are far less useful, because carrying heavy things in them is impossible. I mean, I suppose you could use both the original ones and these, and only put light things in the new ones, but they don't stand open on their own, either, which I also don't like.
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Post by caangel on Feb 9, 2024 16:36:27 GMT
The reusable plastic bags here don't stretch easily at all. That would require a lot of effort/strength. I could easily carry a brick or two in them (as long as I could lift it) with no worries about the bag breaking.
These bags are at the grocery stores, target, Walmart, etc.
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Post by Basket1lady on Feb 9, 2024 16:42:31 GMT
We still have the thin plastic bags here for no charge. When I get a grocery pickup, they use the thicker bags. They are nice to use, but I only need a few. I’ve actually gone into the store vs using the pickup service because I don’t want more of the thicker bags. I do reuse the thin bags on a daily basis for pet waste. When we lived in Belgium, you either brought your own bags or bought a reusable bag. A lot of people would just bring their cart to the car and load bags from there. It wasn’t a big deal and I just bought bags for pet waste instead of using grocery bags. Our biggest use of plastic bags is pet waste and I don’t know how to get away from it. We just don’t have a woodsy area or a large enough yard to let it decompose naturally, so it has to go into our trash. Compostable poop bags are pretty widely available. You may actually be using them and not realize it. I do have them and use them when I run out of the thin grocery store bags and when we are out on a walk. But even the compostable ones don’t really degrade in a landfill. When I was a Girl Scout leader, we had someone from the landfill come and talk to the girls. They explained that the lack of oxygen in a landfill keeps even paper from breaking down. I do compost and recycle, so hopefully I’m breaking even in that part of my carbon footprint.
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 9, 2024 16:47:43 GMT
The year I was in SF I loved those thick plastic bags. I bought weights at Target and walked twenty minutes to my apartment with the bag intact. I also absolutely did reuse the bags — .25 isn’t a lot but isn’t free, and it was a lot easier to stick a few in your bag for an on-foot grocery run than to carry multiple tote bags. I’d be annoyed by this if I were there (and I would hoard a bunch).
I get paper bags here and unless you pack them lightly, the handles break right off.
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 9, 2024 17:11:03 GMT
Okay call me a little confused..
There is the traditional bags that we all got for free to pack our groceries in. Walmart/Target/etc. Thin plastic bags. Poop bags. usually use only once. Target was a better bag than Walmart but the 'same'. Then there is the paper bag. Pretty self explanatory. Then for around .99 cents you can buy the reusable bags that last for a long time. I honestly don't think I have ever had to trash one of those. I have a car full of them. Fancy box type reusable kind.. have handles but pretty sturdy.
Then what is the "but shoppers at checkout can purchase bags made with a thicker plastic that purportedly makes them reusable and recyclable." (are they talking about the .99 or so kind of bags?) The article says people are not reusing them? I'm not understanding? Are they throwing them away? I have probably 20 of them or so stashed in my truck that I reuse all the time... My downfall is that I forget them. So I'll either buy another one or lately I just put my stuff in the cart and load into my bags at the vehicle. I actually do this more often now since this year there are no bags to be found at the checkouts at all, even paper.
I miss my poop bags though. I can't use those disposal kind, they are too small for my huge dog. I don't have a compost thing or woods to throw it out. But I have become creative.. I now save all my dog food bags to put poo in or anything that can contain the poo. If I can remotely save anything to put poo in I hoard it. lol
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Post by katlady on Feb 9, 2024 17:30:08 GMT
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Post by pinklady on Feb 9, 2024 17:41:55 GMT
I don't pay for the "new" thicker bags. Now, I just take my cart full of groceries or whatever I buy out to the car to bag them up in heavy duty bags I keep in my trunk.
In my opinion, the old thin bags were not "single use" since I would re-use them for trash can liners, dog poop and as bags in general. But now since the bag ban, I am buying small, medium and kitchen size plastic trash bags for bathroom trash, dog poop, regular kitchen trash, etc. which are single use.
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Post by compeateropeator on Feb 9, 2024 17:47:52 GMT
katlady thanks for the picture. I was also trying to figure out what people were talking when mentioning the heavier multiuse plastic bags. We do not have those in my state for groceries. You either pay a dime for a paper bag or you bring your own. I was wondering if people were talking about the cheap reusable ones that you can buy at the store if you forget bags and don’t want paper. But those are 1.00 to 2.00, so it is not like you want to buy them a lot or all the time.
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Post by littlemama on Feb 9, 2024 17:51:59 GMT
I don't pay for the "new" thicker bags. Now, I just take my cart full of groceries or whatever I buy out to the car to bag them up in heavy duty bags I keep in my trunk. In my opinion, the old thin bags were not "single use" since I would re-use them for trash can liners, dog poop and as bags in general. But now since the bag ban, I am buying small, medium and kitchen size plastic trash bags for bathroom trash, dog poop, regular kitchen trash, etc. which are single use. We reuse grocery bags all the time, especially the slightly nicer ones- Target bags used to be the gold standard, but even those are thinner and not as good- still good for several uses though.
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Post by fredfreddy44 on Feb 9, 2024 17:53:03 GMT
It doesn't surprise me there is an increase in the weight of the total plastic. Anyone who orders home delivery gets their groceries in plastic bags and I swear they put the minimum number of items in each bag. At least 50% of the people I see at the store coming out are using plastic bags. At my husband's work, they order snacks and drinks delivered and they come in many many bags. He often brings a few extra home.
I will get a free bag of bags off of Next Door in the spring and use them to give away extra veg from our garden. I only used reuseables when shopping and bring one plastic bag for meat in case it leaks. I'll buy paper every so often and use them for kitchen trash.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 9, 2024 17:54:15 GMT
No plastic here except for fresh meats. However I get WM grocery delivery. Larger reusable bags, which often only have two or three items in each. Thankfully generally fridge stuff is in one. Four boxes of crackers in another. The other 5 had 3 items each, no fresh meat. I reuse some, but the rest sit or I share with neighbors. I bought bags for garbage and trash. I do not have an outside can to hold garbage, it must be taken to dumpsters well past my building. If I still had a kitty, that would be a bigger issue.
BTW: not practical to request WM, or other delivery, to come to my unit to get bags to go back out to get my stuff to pack it into my bags to deliver it.
When this first started a driver brought my groceries in used bags. As I unpacked my groceries, I discovered the bags were not clean. Not gross, but disconcerting to me.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 9, 2024 17:56:28 GMT
......... In my opinion, the old thin bags were not "single use" since I would re-use them for trash can liners, dog poop and as bags in general. But now since the bag ban, I am buying small, medium and kitchen size plastic trash bags for bathroom trash, dog poop, regular kitchen trash, etc. which are single use You said it better then I did!
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Post by smasonnc on Feb 9, 2024 18:21:58 GMT
Plastic bags need to be banned but it's illegal in our state for any local jurisdiction to ban plastic or polystyrene. Makes me crazy! We see them in the water at the beach and in the waterways and marine animals die from ingesting them but our legislators have made it impossible to ban plastic.
I get so annoyed when I go to a store and see someone put one small item, like a candy bar or a greeting card, in a plastic bag. You can't carry it out of the store in your hand?
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Post by Lexica on Feb 9, 2024 19:32:12 GMT
We still have the thin plastic bags here for no charge. When I get a grocery pickup, they use the thicker bags. They are nice to use, but I only need a few. I’ve actually gone into the store vs using the pickup service because I don’t want more of the thicker bags. I do reuse the thin bags on a daily basis for pet waste. When we lived in Belgium, you either brought your own bags or bought a reusable bag. A lot of people would just bring their cart to the car and load bags from there. It wasn’t a big deal and I just bought bags for pet waste instead of using grocery bags. Our biggest use of plastic bags is pet waste and I don’t know how to get away from it. We just don’t have a woodsy area or a large enough yard to let it decompose naturally, so it has to go into our trash. Many years ago when we were still in high school, my future husband had this amazing avocado tree in his back yard. The thing was massive and very prolific. The heavy limbs hung over the fences into two other yards and those homeowners never complained because they had a source for avocados. But I don’t think any of them knew about the source of fertilizer for that tree. They had two smaller family dogs and it was my boyfriend’s chore to scoop the poop every day after school. His father used one of those post hole diggers to dig a deep round hole of about 8 inches in diameter in the ground a few feet from the base of that tree and cover it with a large pot. My boyfriend would then shovel the poop into that hole and put the pot back on top. It took a long time to actually fill a hole because it was composting constantly. Most of that side of the back yard had been used to make these poop holes in over time. And as the poop would compost, it provided fertilizer for the avocado tree, making it the magnificent tree that it was. I ate those avocados and they really were the most tasty I have ever had. You probably don’t have an avocado tree, but you might want to consider digging a deep post hole rather than picking up the poop.
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Feb 9, 2024 19:51:13 GMT
We use the thinner plastic bags for lining trash cans- bathrooms, home office/craft room, bedrooms. But the thicker plastic ones are not stretchy enough to fit well in our trash cans, so we end up recycling them or throwing them away. (Our recycling is only picked up every other week, and fills up so quickly!) We mostly do curbside pickup or delivery for groceries now, and they always use the thicker bags. But when you go in store, they give us the thinner bags. Weird!
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 9, 2024 20:05:30 GMT
awww thanks for the clarification.. apparently we don't have those thicker bags in CO.. or I am not aware of them. The only option I have come across is .10 cents for paper bags.
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Post by mich5481 on Feb 9, 2024 20:25:16 GMT
I get so annoyed when I go to a store and see someone put one small item, like a candy bar or a greeting card, in a plastic bag. You can't carry it out of the store in your hand? Sometimes I get a bag so I can use it as a car trash bag on a long road trip, so it is getting reused.
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Post by Basket1lady on Feb 9, 2024 20:26:34 GMT
We still have the thin plastic bags here for no charge. When I get a grocery pickup, they use the thicker bags. They are nice to use, but I only need a few. I’ve actually gone into the store vs using the pickup service because I don’t want more of the thicker bags. I do reuse the thin bags on a daily basis for pet waste. When we lived in Belgium, you either brought your own bags or bought a reusable bag. A lot of people would just bring their cart to the car and load bags from there. It wasn’t a big deal and I just bought bags for pet waste instead of using grocery bags. Our biggest use of plastic bags is pet waste and I don’t know how to get away from it. We just don’t have a woodsy area or a large enough yard to let it decompose naturally, so it has to go into our trash. Many years ago when we were still in high school, my future husband had this amazing avocado tree in his back yard. The thing was massive and very prolific. The heavy limbs hung over the fences into two other yards and those homeowners never complained because they had a source for avocados. But I don’t think any of them knew about the source of fertilizer for that tree. They had two smaller family dogs and it was my boyfriend’s chore to scoop the poop every day after school. His father used one of those post hole diggers to dig a deep round hole of about 8 inches in diameter in the ground a few feet from the base of that tree and cover it with a large pot. My boyfriend would then shovel the poop into that hole and put the pot back on top. It took a long time to actually fill a hole because it was composting constantly. Most of that side of the back yard had been used to make these poop holes in over time. And as the poop would compost, it provided fertilizer for the avocado tree, making it the magnificent tree that it was. I ate those avocados and they really were the most tasty I have ever had. You probably don’t have an avocado tree, but you might want to consider digging a deep post hole rather than picking up the poop. This would work if we were in the country, but they no longer recommend this because of ground water contamination. There’s a lot of big dogs in our neighborhood; I can’t imagine if we all did this and it was leaching into the groundwater!
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 9, 2024 21:40:44 GMT
I’m not a fan of the thicker bags. I got a lot during Covid as I did curbside and they were free but they used a lot. Then they started charging for them again and gave the option to use your own and I do that.
We will reuse sone but others went to line bathroom trash cans. I am starting to run low in them.
These bags are probably 5 times the thickness or more than the thin ones. With so many doing curbside or home delivery I would bet this is the real reason the pounds per person is going up. Even if 75% of the population uses their own bags the ones that aren’t are getting these heavier bags and stores seem to only put a few items per bag. So even with less bags the weight is more. I don’t know why anyone thought this would cut down on plastic.
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