question about Trump and the military

I think chances are, if someone reads or watches mainstream media, they don’t support Trump. I have 2 cousins currently in the Navy, my dad is former Army and my dh is former Coast Guard. None of them support Trump.

Conversely, if someone only watches or reads conservative media, they’re more likely to support Trump. I think if you’re only surrounded by family, friends and coworkers that are Trump supporters and not exposed to mainstream media, you could get sucked into what Trump is selling. And potentially believe that Trump is patriotic and supports the military. Someone that believes that probably also thinks Democrats are the enemy, they will destroy the country etc

I have trouble understanding how anyone can reconcile Trump’s disparaging statements about the military and John McCain, his support for Putin, lack of support for NATO etc with Trump being patriotic and supporting the military

I think that most probably don't know her husband is in uniform right now, serving. Yeah they might hear the clip from Trump but I bet they aren't doing the research to figure out where he is. I am sure many think he is in the shadows back home, like Melania.

My brother, career military, supports him. I don't even bother to ask how he can support DT.

My ds is active duty military.  It makes me sick.  With the military having such a hard time with recruiting, the last thing we need is a president who doesn't respect them.

Also makes me sick that Biden is so clearly not fit for office and the Democrats will not let him just retire and run someone else.  I do NOT want another Trump presidency.  But I fear that is where we are headed.  

I think the fact that he is so old makes him unfit. He is clearly struggling and I don't say that as a political move, look at him. He is a shell of the person he was. Hr has had a long distinguished career. He cannot possibly do this job until 86 years old. I think if Harris had to step in and run the country I am completely comfortable with that. However, as a candidate I don't think she can win on her own. Not for any reason other than our ridiculous political climate that would never vote for a woman, let alone a woman of color. I hate it. And no I don't think Trump is fit for office. I wish we had an entirely different group of candidates. It really disturbs me that this is what we have to pick from. I will still vote Biden bc never Trump.

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.  I think criticism of Biden's age is fair.  He is old.  And the presidency has only accelerated the aging.  If you look at before and after pics of most of the recent presidents, they aged significantly during their terms.  Obama and George W both aged significantly, in part because they served 2 terms


www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/career/g3918/presidents-before-and-after-office/?slide=20

www.cbsnews.com/pictures/how-american-presidents-aged-in-office/46/


But, as Merge said, Trump is also old, so it seems reasonable to take age out of the equation.

I don't think it is reasonable to take age out of the equation when our president is clearly struggling. Yes, Trump is old too. That is the least of his issues. I also don't think Biden is as in control as you think. He won't step down. He can't. It will hand Trump the White House. He is in a no win situation. I truly believe Biden has the country's best interests at heart and it sucks that he should have been president years ago.

Trump has also had age related mental and physical issues, and he is within a few years of Biden, isn’t he? It’s just that Trump has so many more horrible things to report, these age issues aren’t reported, are under reported, or passed over quickly. It’s also widely believed he had a big health scare while in office that he tried to pass off as a scheduled check-up but there were things that proved that was very unlikely. I’m sorry, I don’t remember exact details, one had to do with a proper escort not being arranged in advance. But he lied about it, as always, and the subject was dropped. Biden is more physically healthy than Trump is.

So it really bothers me when people complain about Biden’s age without complaining about Trump’s, and don’t mention at the same time the bigger issues regarding that, like a competent VP and cabinet to take over if needed for either of them. And we KNOW Trump will do everything he can to remain in power, he’s proven that before. But we’re concerned that Biden won’t give up power when needed? Again, we KNOW Biden has a more than competent administration to back him up and not, you know, continue dismantling our rule of law. And we KNOW Trump does not. So, again, not sure why Biden’s age is the takeaway.

eta: I wanted to acknowledge that Biden stepping aside right now, without an immediate electable replacement would hand the election over to Trump. But I am not that concerned about because he might continue to be the public face, but he wouldn’t put our country in jeopardy. Behind the scenes I believe 💯 that decisions would be made by those that are more than qualified to make them. And it’s not like he makes them entirely on his own right now anyway because he believes in letting those best qualified guide him. 

Tonight many conservatives are not happy with TFG for mocking Haley's deployed DH.
Bolduc is/was huge TFG supporter.


Conservative commentator Guy Benson said, "Her husband is currently deployed abroad, serving in the United States Armed Forces."

"This is low, gratuitous and gross," he added Saturday. "Don’t defend this."

Don Bolduc, a former Republican Senate candidate, said, "Only a sick individual would put down a service member who is deployed. This disrespects every military family in our country. It’s exactly the chaos we don’t need in America."

Haley herself had this to say:

"Michael is deployed serving our country, something you know nothing about. Someone who continually disrespects the sacrifices of military families has no business being commander in chief."

S.V. Dáte, White House correspondent at HuffPost, also chimed in Saturday:

"Her husband is deployed overseas in the military. Periodically it’s good to remember that apart from all the unhinged lying and the self-dealing corruption and the disdain for democracy, Trump is at his core a terrible human being."

www.rawstory.com/trump-deployed-haley/

Comments, not mine...
**Michael Haley fired back at the former president, posting a meme on Twitter reading, “The difference between humans and animals? Animals would never allow the dumbest ones to lead the pack,” while mentioning Trump’s account in the caption. - - CNN, February 10, 2024

**Where's your wife, Where's your wife? I'll give her grace for mourning the death of her mother but, she's not been on the campaign trail for months.
I am a military wife and I find you to be the lowest of the low. You didn't serve and you have zero respect for those that have or are serving.
Anyone that votes for you should join you in hell.

I really should stop reading these political threads because they make me sick to my stomach. I agree Biden is old, but dear Lord, look at trump. How the hell is someone like him widely and wildly cheered and supported. What the fuck is wrong with our country?

My father is a Vietnam vet and says he's not MAGA, but has plenty of merch and will absolutely vote for Trump. He consumes primarily right wing media.

I showed him the voting records on the PACT act and he didn't waver one bit. He's GOP all the way.

I live in an area with a lot of current and former Marines. The majority of the ones I know personally are Republicans and will vote for whomever the Republican candidate is, even if it is Trump.

My dad is a Vietnam vet, and has been an R my entire life. The thing is.... he was always an R, but in a rational way. He's always been well read, and able to hold an actual conversation without resorting to playground tactics.

My mom was always apolitical, until Obama got elected. She was in tears and so grateful and absolutely hopeful that everyone she knew would get the physical and mental healthcare that they needed. (Super low income rust belt area- the exact kind where you see the Trump flags on dilapidated houses and trailers.) After that let down, and her age (all day TV news consumption) coincided with the rise of Trump and she "got on the Trump Train." She's 100% the person that falls for the most obvious dis-information (and will parrot it on FB- then get mad if I debunk.) She doesn't read anything and believes all videos are real, accurate and "they said what they said." I'd like to say I've given up with her, but she gets under my skin because I love her and it drives me nutty.

My dad blew me away the other day in a conversation because he's always been pretty rational... but he's now spouting Fox News talking points.   Don't get me wrong- he'd vote for Trump before any dem any way-- straight ticket kind of guy. My dad has no respect for Biden stemming back to before I was born. And the last few years have not helped, in any way.

To the point of the thread, we are a family of veterans (not mom and I am the last generation at this point) and I personally am disgusted by Trump's military bs. But there is so much more there to despise about him than that, honestly, for me, it doesn't even rise to the top of the skeeze meter with him.

As a veteran, I don't think Biden is a better Commander in Chief, or even a good one. In a vacuum away from other issues, I think those two cancel one another out in that column. Lloyd Austin is still the Secretary of Defense. Biden is negligent in this day and age keeping that (yet another 70 year old) man in that position after he was literally admitted to the hospital without telling anyone- while we are engaged in a regional conflict and with literally two wars in our neighborhood, and now he's back in the hospital. There is no way that man is able to do his job and yet he's still in that position. Like Biden. Dems need to get that together. Our service members deserve better.  I can see, amongst other reasons, why Biden isn't seen as any better by military.

I actually believe that no one that didn't serve this country in some capacity in the military should be eligible to be Commander in Chief, but I know that's not realistic. Sadly.

Well that’s not shady at all lol