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Post by morecowbell on Feb 25, 2024 1:49:35 GMT
Still waiting for you to back up your claim that Mike Pence showed his classified documents to anyone, onelasttime . 🤔 I actually did pound out a response but deleted it. I have no problem admitting I missed the bit about showing others classified information. In the process of writing my response something occurred to me about what you were claiming and what I had read about what the President did or didn’t do. I deleted my response when I realized that you lack curiosity and can’t or refuse to look at the entire picture. In your world everything is black or white with no pesky shades of grey to muddy the water of what you want to believe. When in reality it’s not that simple. Uh, no. This is about YOU claiming that Pence showed his classified documents to anyone. Don't turn it around and pretend that *I* did something to cause your dishonesty. I don't see how you could have missed it, when every single time it was said by me, quoted, several times, by you, me and a few others it was ALWAYS underlined.
Kinda' hard to honestly miss.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 25, 2024 3:59:56 GMT
Trump said a lot of crazy stuff in his speech last night, but these racist statements are the worst. "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." — Joe Biden, describing fellow candidate Barack Obama.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 4:37:50 GMT
Trump said a lot of crazy stuff in his speech last night, but these racist statements are the worst. "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." — Joe Biden, describing fellow candidate Barack Obama. President Biden is not perfect. Over his public service of more than 50 years, he's made mistakes and said things that he should not have. This particular statement was 17 years ago. After he said it, he called Barack Obama and apologized. And obviously, Obama forgave him because he chose him as VP. And Obama campaigned for Biden in 2020 and is campaigning for him again. www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna16911044Biden later called Obama and then spoke to reporters during a conference call saying Obama understood what he meant.
"This is a guy who's come along in a way that's captured the imagination of the country in a way that no one else has. That was the point of everything I was saying," Biden said.
Civil rights leader Jesse Jackson said Wednesday night, "It was a gaffe. It was not an intentional racially pejorative statement. It could be interpreted that way, but that's not what he meant."
Trump's comments, in comparison were made days ago and follow a pattern. He's referred to immigrants as "vermin" that are "poisoning the blood of our country." He referred to covid as "Kung flu" and the "Chinese virus". He promoted the false birther conspiracies for Obama, VP Harris and Haley. He called Mexican immigrants "rapists" who are "bringing crime and drugs". He called for a ban on all Muslims coming into the country. He called Elizabeth Warren "Pocohantas". He referred to Haiti and African countries as "shithole countries". He said 4 female minority Representatives were from countries whose governments are a "complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. Three of the 4 were born in the US. He said that people who came to the US from Haiti "all have AIDS" and complained that people from Nigeria would "never go back to their huts" once they saw America. He called black district attorneys "animal" and "rabid" www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trumps-attacks-on-prosecutors-echo-long-history-of-racist-language But few contemporary political leaders at Trump’s level have such a consistent pattern of deploying racist language and tropes. And there’s a risk that such comments could fuel hate crimes and violence.
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Post by Merge on Feb 25, 2024 4:38:29 GMT
Trump said a lot of crazy stuff in his speech last night, but these racist statements are the worst. "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." — Joe Biden, describing fellow candidate Barack Obama. Difference is, Biden acknowledged how bad the comment sounded and apologized. www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna16911044Has Trump ever acknowledged any error or apologized for anything?
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 5:03:30 GMT
He's delusional
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 5:03:43 GMT
Election predictions for Trump are not looking good. A lot of voters will not vote for him if he gets convicted. A high percentage of Haley supporters said they will not vote for Trump if he is the nominee.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 25, 2024 5:09:11 GMT
I actually did pound out a response but deleted it. I have no problem admitting I missed the bit about showing others classified information. In the process of writing my response something occurred to me about what you were claiming and what I had read about what the President did or didn’t do. I deleted my response when I realized that you lack curiosity and can’t or refuse to look at the entire picture. In your world everything is black or white with no pesky shades of grey to muddy the water of what you want to believe. When in reality it’s not that simple. Uh, no. This is about YOU claiming that Pence showed his classified documents to anyone. Don't turn it around and pretend that *I* did something to cause your dishonesty. I don't see how you could have missed it, when every single time it was said by me, quoted, several times, by you, me and a few others it was ALWAYS underlined.
Kinda' hard to honestly miss. 🤷🏻♀️. That’s what happened but believe what you want.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 25, 2024 5:11:21 GMT
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." — Joe Biden, describing fellow candidate Barack Obama. President Biden is not perfect. Over his public service of more than 50 years, he's made mistakes and said things that he should not have. This particular statement was 17 years ago. After he said it, he called Barack Obama and apologized. And obviously, Obama forgave him because he chose him as VP. And Obama campaigned for Biden in 2020 and is campaigning for him again. www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna16911044Biden later called Obama and then spoke to reporters during a conference call saying Obama understood what he meant.
"This is a guy who's come along in a way that's captured the imagination of the country in a way that no one else has. That was the point of everything I was saying," Biden said.
Civil rights leader Jesse Jackson said Wednesday night, "It was a gaffe. It was not an intentional racially pejorative statement. It could be interpreted that way, but that's not what he meant."
Trump's comments, in comparison were made days ago and follow a pattern. He's referred to immigrants as "vermin" that are "poisoning the blood of our country." He referred to covid as "Kung flu" and the "Chinese virus". He promoted the false birther conspiracies for Obama, VP Harris and Haley. He called Mexican immigrants "rapists" who are "bringing crime and drugs". He called for a ban on all Muslims coming into the country. He called Elizabeth Warren "Pocohantas". He referred to Haiti and African countries as "shithole countries". He said 4 female minority Representatives were from countries whose governments are a "complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. Three of the 4 were born in the US. He said that people who came to the US from Haiti "all have AIDS" and complained that people from Nigeria would "never go back to their huts" once they saw America. He called black district attorneys "animal" and "rabid" www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trumps-attacks-on-prosecutors-echo-long-history-of-racist-language But few contemporary political leaders at Trump’s level have such a consistent pattern of deploying racist language and tropes. And there’s a risk that such comments could fuel hate crimes and violence.No, the difference is that you fault trump for EVERYTHING that you excuse Biden for. All while demanding that "no one can criticize Biden without criticizing Trump." The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 25, 2024 5:30:28 GMT
The idea that Trumpers are being “silenced” when we hear from him and them all day, every day, in the media and on social media, is simply ludicrous. I'm talking about here. People that don't agree with the group think here, ARE silenced here. They are silenced with vicious smearing, name calling, shaming, ridiculing, etc. for their facts and their opinions. Just from you, in one single post alone: That is someone you seem to think you have sufficiently smeared and you are applying it to me as nothing more than a smear tactic. My name is morecowbell. If you call me anything else, it is for no other reason than the simple point of smearing -because you have nothing substantive to counter with. And because you are under the very deluded impression, that means you won the argument. Every time you call me anything but morecowbell you continue to show that you NEED to smear. Which continues to show JUST HOW MUCH YOU ARE MENTALLY UNABLE TO HANDLE DISAGREEMENT.I never said I was. *I* just wanted to know: "IF you think Biden has more than normal age related mental decline, how do you think it will affect his ability to do the job?" That's it. And it seems the only way to get answers to that question is to make it so people could answer anonymously. For whatever anyone's reason, some people do not want participate publicly in political conversations. It has nothing to do with "trying to stick it to the libs" or "get my jollies".🙄 It was simply the only way to hear from some people. I'm sorry JUST HOW MUCH YOU ARE MENTALLY UNABLE TO HANDLE letting that question be asked. I never claimed any such thing. That's all in your head. That is clearly a need of yours -to have an echo chamber, but I like seeing all opinions and conversing/debating. So don't project your NEED for an ECHO CHAMBER onto me. That's yours. Own it. The fact that you see dissenting opinions as nonsense, says EVERYTHING. Nope, that's a lie. I have NEVER limited WHO can post on my threads. Not once. All I said was... coming into a thread about Biden with a constant rapid fire of "but, but, but Republicans/Trump" posts is meant to bombard and bury opposing opinions and shows you can't/won't allow people to diverge from YOUR narrative. Nope, NEVER did that either. Ever. Nope, don't expect that at all. I do expect that if someone disagrees with me they can do so without vicious smearing, name calling, shaming, ridiculing, etc. All things meant to silence so you can maintain your delusion that you're always right and that you hold the moral high ground. Well, I also could take the views that YOU have and the people that YOU support and BURY a thread in examples of how theft, rapes, death and destruction, poverty, homelessness, etc are an existential threat to ourselves and our loved ones. Threats by the people you support and you for voting for them and their policies. But I see that for what it is. You do it for no other reason than to demonize opposing opinions. In doing so, you think you've convinced everyone that you have the moral authority and therefore can NEVER be wrong. The problem with that is, you've been doing it for so long you've now come to believe your own bullshit smear jobs. I do think you really do believe them to be real. But as you've already said, you won't tolerate diversity of thought HERE. Because you believe your views, that are steeped in hyperbole and bullshit, are the ONLY views allowed here. You're projecting your own actions, wants and desires. The scary thing about you is that you really believe that means you have some sort of authority here that. can. not. be. challenged. Or else.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 5:50:13 GMT
President Biden is not perfect. Over his public service of more than 50 years, he's made mistakes and said things that he should not have. This particular statement was 17 years ago. After he said it, he called Barack Obama and apologized. And obviously, Obama forgave him because he chose him as VP. And Obama campaigned for Biden in 2020 and is campaigning for him again. www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna16911044Biden later called Obama and then spoke to reporters during a conference call saying Obama understood what he meant.
"This is a guy who's come along in a way that's captured the imagination of the country in a way that no one else has. That was the point of everything I was saying," Biden said.
Civil rights leader Jesse Jackson said Wednesday night, "It was a gaffe. It was not an intentional racially pejorative statement. It could be interpreted that way, but that's not what he meant."
Trump's comments, in comparison were made days ago and follow a pattern. He's referred to immigrants as "vermin" that are "poisoning the blood of our country." He referred to covid as "Kung flu" and the "Chinese virus". He promoted the false birther conspiracies for Obama, VP Harris and Haley. He called Mexican immigrants "rapists" who are "bringing crime and drugs". He called for a ban on all Muslims coming into the country. He called Elizabeth Warren "Pocohantas". He referred to Haiti and African countries as "shithole countries". He said 4 female minority Representatives were from countries whose governments are a "complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. Three of the 4 were born in the US. He said that people who came to the US from Haiti "all have AIDS" and complained that people from Nigeria would "never go back to their huts" once they saw America. He called black district attorneys "animal" and "rabid" www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trumps-attacks-on-prosecutors-echo-long-history-of-racist-language But few contemporary political leaders at Trump’s level have such a consistent pattern of deploying racist language and tropes. And there’s a risk that such comments could fuel hate crimes and violence.No, the difference is that you fault trump for EVERYTHING that you excuse Biden for. All while demanding that "no one can criticize Biden without criticizing Trump." The hypocrisy is breathtaking. No, I have criticized Biden, just not your specific list or to your satisfaction. Have you ever criticized Trump? For anything? There's a fairly extensive list of things to criticize him for, I'm not picky. What Biden said 17 years ago and the long list of things Trump said recently are not the same. Only one of them is echoing Adolf Hitler and other authoritarian leaders. You're making a false comparison. I'm not making an excuse for Biden, he shouldn't have said it. I do give Biden credit for apologizing and the fact that Obama forgave him is significant. Has Trump ever apologized?
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 25, 2024 6:07:11 GMT
No, the difference is that you fault trump for EVERYTHING that you excuse Biden for. All while demanding that "no one can criticize Biden without criticizing Trump." The hypocrisy is breathtaking. No, I have criticized Biden, just not your specific list or to your satisfaction. Have you ever criticized Trump? For anything? There's a fairly extensive list of things to criticize him for, I'm not picky. What Biden said 17 years ago and the long list of things Trump said recently are not the same. Only one of them is echoing Adolf Hitler and other authoritarian leaders. You're making a false comparison. I'm not making an excuse for Biden, he shouldn't have said it. I do give Biden credit for apologizing and the fact that Obama forgave him is significant. Has Trump ever apologized? No you haven't. Saying that Biden occasionally mispeaks and forgets words "just like everyone does" is not criticizing Biden. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by SAHM wannabe on Feb 25, 2024 8:44:59 GMT
In response to the poll: No
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 12:26:53 GMT
Pretty sure Biden didn’t need note cards to remember his kids names. Trump used them but still forgot Eric. No doubt in my mind Joe Biden was a better father. Yes, Hunter struggled with addiction and made some poor choices. But there is no doubt how much his dad loves him.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 12:29:31 GMT
No, I have criticized Biden, just not your specific list or to your satisfaction. Have you ever criticized Trump? For anything? There's a fairly extensive list of things to criticize him for, I'm not picky. What Biden said 17 years ago and the long list of things Trump said recently are not the same. Only one of them is echoing Adolf Hitler and other authoritarian leaders. You're making a false comparison. I'm not making an excuse for Biden, he shouldn't have said it. I do give Biden credit for apologizing and the fact that Obama forgave him is significant. Has Trump ever apologized? No you haven't. Saying that Biden occasionally mispeaks and forgets words "just like everyone does" is not criticizing Biden. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I give up. I have criticized Biden for other things, I just said he should not have said what he did about Obama. But, apparently since I won’t say that Biden is in a mental decline, it’s not good enough for you. And there will always be an endless list of excuses for why you will likely never criticize Trump. Even though there is an endless list of reasons why Trump is unfit for President, you refuse to acknowledge any of them. He led a coordinated effort to overturn the results of an election He incited an insurrection He hid and refused to return classified documents He revealed national secrets to foreign leaders He received $7.8 million dollars from foreign entities while he was President Given all of his mounting debt, he would never receive a security clearance He hired his daughter and son-in-law to work in the White House, even though they were massively unqualified He threatened to withdraw from NATO and will allow Putin to take over any European country More than 20 of his former staff and advisors have said he’s not fit for office As horrific as his first term was, a second would be immeasurably worse You’re either ignoring all of that or just not willing to acknowledge Trump’s faults, crimes and unfitness. Instead, you’re focused on President Biden’s age.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 12:46:28 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 12:53:05 GMT
Regrettably, showing this kind of character where you are the best at finding clever names to insult your opponents should not improve your chances. But Trump’s supporters just cheer him on.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 12:54:18 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 12:56:29 GMT
I apologize for the profanity, but I love this karma.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 12:58:27 GMT
This kind of thing should terrify everyone
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 13:02:09 GMT
In just last night’s speech, Trump referred to his wife as Mercedes Said he preferred Biden for president
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 13:03:28 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 13:06:27 GMT
Biden’s age and now apparently something his great great grandfather did and was pardoned for are what Republicans are focusing on and criticizing.
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Post by sideways on Feb 25, 2024 16:54:59 GMT
Says the trump supporter. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 As expected from you... nothing but smear when you don’t like the facts. You wouldn’t know a fact if it sucker-punched you. It’s funny that you call being a trump supporter a “smear”, especially when talking about character. 😂 Epic self-own. You have got to be absolutely miserable and insufferable IRL.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 25, 2024 17:07:47 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 25, 2024 17:43:01 GMT
I think you're missing the forest for the trees if you're objecting to Biden's choice of words or trying to criticize him for mixing up names. Trump has also mixed up names and countries. Just recently, Trump said Israel was the capital of Israel. Even worse, Trump did not know where Finland was located or the fact that the UK was a nuclear power. Trump's first Secretary of State called Trump an "f-ing moron". The bigger picture is the fact that a minimum of 9 foreign leaders do not trust Trump if he gets re-elected. Trump promised to withdraw from NATO and allow Putin to take over NATO. The German chancellor openly endorsed President Biden over Trump. World leaders have previously criticized and condemned Trump. thehill.com/homenews/administration/4482103-biden-heads-state-said-ive-got-to-win-november/President Biden on Wednesday said several foreign leaders have told him he has to beat former President Trump, the likely GOP nominee, in November. “As I walk out of meetings, a head of state will find an excuse to come up close … and say, ‘You’ve got to win,’” Biden recalled at a fundraiser in San Francisco.
“Not because I’m so special,” he added. “’You’ve got to win because my democracy is at stake if the other guy wins,’” the president said, quoting heads of state. “Nine heads of state have done that with me.” www.voanews.com/a/trump-i-told-nato-pay-bills-or-russia-can-do-whatever-the-hell-they-want-/7482870.htmlTop western officials Sunday criticized former U.S. President and Republican front-runner Donald Trump over his comments that the United States might not protect NATO allies — whom he says are not spending enough on their defense — against a potential Russian invasion.
"Any suggestion that allies will not defend each other undermines all of our security, including that of the U.S., and puts American and European soldiers at increased risk," said NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg in a written statement. He added, "Any attack on NATO will be met with a united and forceful response."
Polish Defense Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz also commented, saying, “NATO’s motto 'one for all, all for one' is a concrete commitment of the North Atlantic alliance. Undermining the credibility of allied countries means weakening the entire NATO,” he wrote on social media platform X.
Germany's foreign ministry posted the message, “One for all and all for one” with the hashtag #StrongerTogether on its English language X account. EU Council President Charles Michel said, "Reckless statements on #NATO’s security and Art 5 solidarity serve only (Russian President Vladimir) Putin’s interest."
White House spokesperson Andrew Bates responded, saying, "Encouraging invasions of our closest allies by murderous regimes is appalling and unhinged – and it endangers American national security, global stability, and our economy at home." www.politico.eu/article/world-leaders-condemn-trumps-remarks-on-neo-nazis/“Trump’s downplayed reaction on Charlottesville is obnoxious,” German Justice Minister Heiko Maas tweeted Wednesday. “It was anti-Semitism and racism, there is nothing to make relative.”
The criticism threatened to further erode Trump’s already shaky global standing. The U.S. president has rattled allies with everything from questioning America’s support for NATO to cozying up to Russia’s government. Nonetheless, foreign leaders remain cognizant that they have to keep working with Trump, and so they have carefully calibrated their responses.
British Prime Minister Theresa May criticized Trump for suggesting during an appearance before reporters Tuesday that both white supremacists and those opposing them were equally culpable for the weekend violence in Charlottesville, which left one person dead. “I see no equivalence between those who propound fascist views and those who oppose them,” May said, according to media reports. “I think it is important for all those in positions of responsibility to condemn far-right views wherever we hear them.” But May did not agree to demands that Britain should withdraw an invitation for Trump to make a state visit.
“Donald Trump has shown he is unable to detach himself from the extreme right and racial supremacists,” U.K. opposition leaders Jeremy Corbyn and Vince Cable said. “It would be completely wrong to have this man visit the U.K. on a state visit.” Trump’s comments are especially sensitive in Germany, which still struggles with neo-Nazi elements decades after the U.S. and its allies crushed the German Nazis in World War II.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel had earlier expressed disgust with the neo-Nazi and white supremacist demonstrators who gathered in Virginia. There were no immediate reports of Merkel reacting to Trump’s Tuesday remarks, in which he claimed there were “many fine people” on both sides of the clashes.
But Martin Schulz, her main challenger in the upcoming German parliamentary elections, went after the U.S. president.
“One needs to counter Nazis with determination,” Schulz tweeted. “What Trump does is highly dangerous. Those who play down violence and hatred betray the values of the West!”
In Israel, too, several political figures expressed outrage.
“In Nazism, anti-Semitism and racism there are never two equal sides — only one side is evil. Period,” tweeted Tzipi Livni, a former Israeli foreign minister.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 25, 2024 17:48:57 GMT
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