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Post by onelasttime on Feb 27, 2024 6:15:29 GMT
You do know there is a thread called "Miscellaneous Political Stuff"just for this kind of post, dont you? Otherwise, this is a thread on biden and his mental decline. The more you post "but, but, but the Republicans/Trump" on this thread, the more you telegraph your incessant NEED to bury the fact that people can see biden's mental decline. NPRThat is your opinion. An opinion not based on any medical expertise on your part. But what is a fact is what he has accomplished as President. For your reading pleasure here is an article outline what he has accomplished. He probably would have gotten more done if it hadn’t been for Manchin and Sinema. Then there is the stock market. “On Jan 21,2021 the Dow Jones was at 31,188.38. Today it closed at 39,069.11.” Remember your boy said the stock market would go down if he wasn’t President? He was wrong and that’s good news for my 401(k). When President Biden meets with Foreign Leaders you don’t see pictures like that one with trump sitting down with his arms crossed like a petulant child looking at the other leaders. Not bad for an 80 year old guy. I read somewhere that one should quit talking about his age and talk about his accomplishments. But to tell you how petty folks are about President Biden, tonight he is going to be on the Jimmy Fallon show. So before the show he was at an ice cream place getting an ice cream cone. There was a video showing him eating an ice cream cone. Some guy on twitter was trying to make a big deal out of it “Joe Biden eating ice cream while answering reporter questions about serious issues isn’t charming, it’s super weird. Do you know grown men who go get ice cream by themselves? I don’t. It’s very strange.” Jimmy Fallon was standing next to him out of the frame, you didn’t see him until the end of this video. Below is the link to the video so you can see for yourself along with a perfect response to the idiot. Bottom line is no matter how many times you do your little laundry list it means nothing without medical data to back what you are claiming. And you don’t have it. x.com/claytravis/status/1762285247922614315?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwAnd here is the perfect response to the idiot. ”You seem to have a bit of bias there, kid. 1. He's an 81-year-old man. He gets to make his own choices now, and if that means he wants some ice-cream, then nobody should care. 2. He's in good shape for his age, and unlike some people, he's not overweight, not running triple digit cholesterol, and doesn't need a diaper. 3. He is POTUS. Reporters tend to follow him around and ask questions no matter what he is doing. Does that mean he should not do anything so that reporters do not ask him questions? 4. He is almost never by himself. Again, he is POTUS. Have you even thought about that? In order for him to do something as simple as going to use the public restroom in that ice cream shop, he has to wait while the Secret Service checks the bathroom, then they protect him while he is using the bathroom, washes his hands, etc. At least he buys ice cream for the SS and for those in the shop. A simple matter of being courteous. 5. Just because someone does something that you don't does not make it strange. Hell, I get ice cream by myself. I also tend to buy some ice cream for any kids in the line ahead of me (as long as their parents say yes). 6. By making a big deal out of something this minor and individualistic, you have drawn attention to yourself as an aberration. Stop making everything all about yourself and go live your own life. And stop making a fool of yourself by getting your panties in a twist over a grown man who is eating ice cream. That is actually weird. I hope that you learn from this. And that you choose to be a better person because of it. Also, since your bio states that you are a "dad of 3 boys", I would hope that you raise them to be whoever they are, and not try to program them to be something different. They are individuals, and you should raise them to be just that. Not clones of someone else. Have a nice day, son.”
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 27, 2024 6:39:28 GMT
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 27, 2024 8:41:07 GMT
You do know there is a thread called "Miscellaneous Political Stuff"just for this kind of post, dont you? Otherwise, this is a thread on biden and his mental decline. The more you post "but, but, but the Republicans/Trump" on this thread, the more you telegraph your incessant NEED to bury the fact that people can see biden's mental decline. NPRThat is your opinion. An opinion not based on any medical expertise on your part. Despite your insistence on one, you absolutely do not need a medical degree to witness these things and realize these are not normal -even for him going back a few years... not remembering, even within several years, defining milestones in his own life claims of recently speaking to people that died, some decades ago repeating same exact story, verbatim, within a couple of minutes to the same people promising not to make people uncomfortable anymore by touching them and then doing it again and upsetting a young child claiming he called a climate emergency when he hasn't saying "we're going to build a bridge across the Indian Ocean" shaking someone's hand then forgetting he just did and trying to do it again always being confused on HOW to leave the podium in recent years. being confused about what office he's running for, he keeps thinking he's still running for senate even now, in 2024 repeatedly not understanding not to read the stage directions. standing trance like while holding an imaginary steering wheel? while looking off into the distance on stage while being asked questions being unable to follow directions of someone pointing exactly where to go often forgetting words, concepts, people's names, even that this is the Biden presidency -not the Harris presidency repeatedly admitting someone else is in charge of whether he can take questions and they will get mad at him being guided around with hands on, moving him around -being treated like a man in a diminished mental state rambling on about a guy named Cornpop while reminiscing about letting kids playing with his leg hair in the pool MANY false claims, incoherent ramblings, speaking to foreign officials with his face straight down in a notecard, word salads etc. In 2024 he still thinks he's in the United States Senate: www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jan/12/joe-biden-says-he-works-in-senate-in-latest-gaffe/
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 27, 2024 13:39:43 GMT
You can keep repeating the same laundry list of gaffes, mistakes, mis-steps etc for Biden and ignoring when Trump does the same and worse. The reality that most of us see is that Trump is the one with real issues and a potential mental decline. No one who meets with Biden with the exception of Hur who is a political hack has mentioned anything about Biden’s memory or inability to do his job. A psychologist is seriously questioning Trump’s mental state, with good reason. As he points out, the mistakes the 2 men make are not the same. Trump is substituting non words for words, engaging in tangential speech and not just mixing up names, actually he’s forgetting and combining people. Also consider their baselines. If you look at where Trump was years ago and compare it to now, he’s obviously slipping beyond the normal aging process. Trump used to be articulate and polished. In comparison, President Biden has always made mistakes, gaffes etc and he suffers from a speech impediment. www.salon.com/2024/02/23/dr-john-gartner-on-a-tale-of-two-brains-bidens-brain-is-aging-brain-is-dementing/Dr. John Gartner on a tale of two brains: "Biden's brain is aging. Trump's brain is dementing" "This is a fundamental breakdown in the ability to use language," the renowned mental health expert says of Trump The claim that President Biden is old and therefore so diminished mentally and physically that he is incapable of being an effective leader has taken on a life of its own. In many ways, this narrative is immune to the facts and evidence and may be a deciding factor in the outcome of the 2024 election and the future of the United States. Dr. John Gartner is a psychologist and former professor at the Johns Hopkins University Medical School. Gartner was a contributor to the 2017 bestseller "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President." In this conversation, Gartner argues that it is actually Donald Trump and not President Biden who is showing diminished mental acuity and dangerous behavior related to aging. Gartner explains that Donald Trump’s escalating dangerousness is connected to what he believes is a diseased mind that will only get worse. Gartner warns that given Trump’s dangerous personality and emotional state, (Gartner describes this as “hypomanic” behavior) he is almost certainly plotting revenge and how to make his “enemies” suffer as revenge for finally being held accountable by the courts and the rule of law. At the end of this conversation, Gartner explains how even on his worst day as an older person, President Biden is a far superior leader and decision-maker (and human being) than Donald Trump. There is also this focus on Biden's gaffes or other things that are well within the normal limits of aging. By comparison, Trump appears to be showing gross signs of dementia. This is a tale of two brains. Biden's brain is aging. Trump's brain is dementing. "Phonemic paraphasias" —the substitution of non-words for words that sound similar—are not normally seen until a patient enters the moderate to severe stages of Alzheimer’s. Some examples of Trump’s non-words: Beneficiaries becomes “benefishes.” Renovations become “renoversh.” Pivotal became “pivobal." Obama became “obamna.” Missiles became “mishiz.” Christmas became “Crissus.” Bipartisan became “bipars.” This is a fundamental breakdown in the ability to use language. If you were talking to your father on the phone and he did this you would think he is having a stroke. There is no healthy older person who speaks that way. Trump also engages in what we call "tangential speech." He just becomes incomprehensible when he engages in free association word salad speech that is all over the place. Again, that's a sign of real brain damage, not being old, not being slow, not losing a step not being, but of severe cognitive deterioration. Biden has been excoriated for forgetting names, which can be a normal part of aging. But Trump isn’t just forgetting names, he’s forgetting and combining people. Trump believes Nikki Haley is Nancy Pelosi. He has said repeatedly that Obama is still president. He said his father was born in Germany when that was his grandfather. There is also a person's baseline. This is an essential tool for evaluating a person's mental decline. If you look at Trump's interviews and speeches from the 1980s for example, he may have always been a bit of a jerk, but he was articulate and polished. Now if you look at Trump there is great deterioration. By comparison, Biden has never been the most articulate person; he always had a stutter. He always made gaffes. But Biden has a good heart and good judgment. Over the decades we have not seen much evidence of deterioration in Biden's speaking. Trump is what we would clinically describe as "hypomanic." Trump is a man who is sending out messages on what used to be Twitter and also on his Truth Social platform at three in the morning, sometimes dozens of them in a row. A hypomanic personality has certain strengths and weaknesses. But a lot of it is like a vector of force that depends on where you direct it. Trump has directed his energy in purely destructive and hateful ways. What appears to be endless reserves of energy feeds the incorrect impression that somehow Trump is stronger because he has the vitality of someone who is in a crazed state, who's running amok. There's energy in that apparent crazy behavior. But in the end that is not the type of person who we want as a leader. Such a person will not keep us safe. Trump and people who act like him are not going to have good judgment. Even if he was demented, I would rather have Biden than Trump as President of the United States. Dementia brings out the worst in people's character. They become 10 times worse. If Biden really were to mentally decline — and I'm not saying he has or will or is — but he's basically a benign person with good judgment. Biden cares about his fellow human beings. Biden is patriotic, and he actually believes in defending the Constitution and the United States of America. So even if Biden were to become diminished in his cognitive abilities, he's still not going to do something evil or crazy. He just might need more help. By comparison, Donald Trump unleashed would be like Satan unbound.
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Post by compeateropeator on Feb 27, 2024 14:04:43 GMT
Just a side comment (for no particular reason other than I want to)…this would have been a very short thread and buried about 19 pages ago if only your asked question was answered only by those you were targeting, especially if they only feel comfortable by responding one time anonymously to a poll. Because, as I have said before, your answers were only relevant for someone that thinks that Biden has ‘significant mental decline’.
This way you got 20 pages for the price of 1…. 👍😄
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 27, 2024 14:44:56 GMT
www.nytimes.com/2024/02/27/us/politics/biden-seth-meyers.htmlPresident Biden has come up with a new defense against claims that he is too old to run for another term: At least he knows who his wife is — as opposed to “the other guy.” As he expands his efforts to reassure voters that he is fit for another four years, Mr. Biden took a turn on the talk show circuit, using an appearance on “Late Night With Seth Meyers” on NBC to poke his challenger, former President Donald J. Trump, on his own struggles with memory. In a playful but pointed interview aired early Tuesday morning, Mr. Meyers sought to help the president address the age issue, which polls show is an important drawback in the minds of most voters. Mr. Meyers jokingly told the president that he had obtained classified information indicating that “you are currently 81 years old.” Mr. Biden went along with the joke. “Who the hell told you that?” he asked. “That’s classified!” He then went on to jab Mr. Trump, who is 77, over a video in which he seems to call his wife, Melania Trump, by another name. “You got to take a look at the other guy,” Mr. Biden said. “He’s about as old as I am, but he can’t remember his wife’s name.” Turning more serious, Mr. Biden added that the contest is not about how old the candidates are. “It’s about how old your ideas are,” he said. “Look, this is a guy who wants to take us back. He wants to take us back on Roe v. Wade. He wants to take us back on a whole range of issues that are — 50, 60 years, they’ve been solid American positions.” The president has been on the defensive about his memory in recent weeks, particularly since a special counsel, in a report on Mr. Biden’s handling of classified documents, explained that one reason he would not charge Mr. Biden is because he would come across to a jury as a “well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.” During his interview with the special counsel, the report said, Mr. Biden could not remember key dates of his vice presidency or the year his son Beau died. Mr. Biden’s defenders assailed the special counsel for mentioning that. Mr. Trump has had plenty of moments of confusion in recent weeks as well. Among other things, he has mixed up his Republican opponent Nikki Haley with former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, claimed to have beaten Barack Obama in 2016 rather than Hillary Clinton and warned that the country is on the verge of World War II. The moment Mr. Biden was referring to came during a speech to the Conservative Political Action Conference in Maryland over the weekend when Mr. Trump was praising Mrs. Trump and then, as the audience applauded, said, “Oh, look at that, Mercedes — that’s pretty good.” Mr. Meyers played that clip before Mr. Biden came out on the show, mocking Mr. Trump for seeming to have forgotten Mrs. Trump’s name. But Mr. Trump was addressing Mercedes Schlapp, a former White House adviser whose husband, Matt Schlapp, the chairman of the American Conservative Union, hosts the conference, according to the former president’s spokesman, Steven Cheung. “The clips were taken out of context by disingenuous people,” Mr. Cheung said. Still, Mr. Trump has in the past misspelled Melania’s name on Twitter as “Melanie.” And during a deposition in the defamation case brought by E. Jean Carroll, Mr. Trump mistakenly identified a picture of Ms. Carroll as Marla Maples, his second wife. A jury found that Mr. Trump sexually abused Ms. Carroll in the 1990s, and a separate jury ordered him to pay $83.3 million for defaming her. Mr. Biden joined Mr. Meyers to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the late-night show, a decade after appearing on the program’s debut episode in 2014 when he was vice president. It was Mr. Biden’s fourth appearance on a late-night talk show since becoming president. He was a guest of Jimmy Fallon in 2021, of Jimmy Kimmel in 2022 and on “The Daily Show” in 2023. The audience was an important one for Mr. Biden, who relied on strong support among younger voters to defeat Mr. Trump in 2020 and needs them again despite surveys showing disenchantment among that generation. But he slipped when asked about his 2024 agenda. “The 2020 agenda is to finish the job,” he said. Mr. Meyers asked the president about the “Dark Brandon” meme that his younger aides have promoted online, a laser-eyed version of the president intended to make him seem cool and hip. Asked if he enjoys the meme, Mr. Biden quipped, “No, I resent the hell out of it,” and then put on Ray-Ban sunglasses. When Mr. Meyers noted that many on the political right have embraced a bizarre conspiracy theory that he and Taylor Swift “are working in cahoots,” Mr. Biden playfully snapped: “Where are you getting this information? It’s classified. That’s classified information.” “But,” he quickly added, “I will tell you she did endorse me in 2020.”
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 27, 2024 14:50:22 GMT
If we’re talking about the fitness of one candidate, the fitness of the other is relevant, even if it’s inconvenient and doesn’t fit a particular narrative.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 27, 2024 14:52:25 GMT
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/confessions-presidential-cheat-sheet-writer/677573/I Wrote George W. Bush’s Cheat Sheets. Here’s What I Learned. Even the most youthful commanders in chief use them. By David Frum Axios recently reported that President Joe Biden carries cheat sheets with him into meetings with supporters and donors. Some of these supporters have expressed alarm that a president would do such a thing. Perhaps these cards—aide-mémoire, after all—are a sign of age and frailty? From 2001 to 2002, I had the job of writing speeches for President George W. Bush. Bush was 54 years old when I started working for him—almost 10 years younger than I am now. He was a president of extraordinary physical vigor. He delighted in mountain biking down the plunging slopes of Catoctin Mountain at Camp David. When he did middle-distance runs, he’d be disappointed if his speed slowed much below seven minutes a mile. He lifted weights. He chopped brush. And when he spoke to groups at White House events, he relied on note cards. The life of a presidential speechwriter may seem glamorous from a distance: selecting the words that could sway the destiny of the nation, even the world. But the unglamorous truth is that about two-thirds of my time was spent preparing such cards for the president’s meetings, both public and private, with constituents and supporters. David Frum: The enduring lessons of the ‘axis of evil’ speech President Bush had—and has—phenomenal recall of names and faces. Contrary to some negative reports, he had a deep mastery of policy detail. But like everybody in a highly demanding job, sometimes stress and exhaustion overpowered his active mind. I remember one White House meeting early on in the administration in which Bush discussed his hopes for good economic results from his plan for a tax cut. He talked about the benefits of lowering the top tax rate to … and then he blanked. This, from a man who could easily name every county judge in Texas. So the president took to using note cards. The notes for Bush were printed on large cardboard cards in 14-point Arial font—he was not trying to hide his reliance on them; there was no way he could. On the first card, we would describe the group he was meeting with. For the members of the National Pork Producers Council, this day at the White House would be an experience they would never forget; for the president, it was one of as many as 18 such meetings in a week. After the pork council might come the American Medical Association, then the Persian Gulf ambassadors, then major donors to the Republican National Committee, then a delegation of Great Lakes mayors, then the Teamsters union. You might imagine that you’d never mix them up if you had the job of speaking to them. You’d be wrong. On the second card, we’d list the names of the event’s attendees, each spelled out phonetically. Calling the president of the Indiana Bar Association “Elaine” when her name is “Eileen” might seem the pettiest of small mistakes, but that little error might cost the president her support, and the support of all her family and friends—which could possibly cost the reelection campaign a crucial margin of victory. How many hours did our small team spend double-checking, then triple-checking, the pronunciation of the names of spouses and children? Many, many. On the third card, we’d list relevant facts and figures. You may happen to carry in your head the electrical capacity of the New Jersey power grid or the names of the ships in the U.S.’s Mediterranean battle group or a list of the children whom Thomas Jefferson fathered with Sally Hemings. But all of those facts? With one set of them required to be summoned at 3 p.m., the next at 3:30, the third at 4? While also negotiating with the leaders of the House and the Senate, and preparing for an urgent phone dialogue with the president of Brazil? The fourth card would offer a selection of jokes and quips. Presidential humor should be mildly amusing but not laugh-out-loud funny. Laughter is typically the human mind’s mechanism for resolving discomfort; the more acute the discomfort, the louder the laughter. Consider the way that President Donald Trump destroying a 7-year-old’s faith in Santa Claus was excruciating-funny. Presidential humor should soothe, not shock. Kimmel, not Chappelle. The fifth card would be the key page: the talking points. What was the message we were driving home? Believe it or not, presidents are not equally interested in every measure that lands on their desk. The new highway bill might be very important to the fortunes of the president’s party in Congress, but it might not seem the uppermost priority compared with advice from NASA that a giant meteor would soon pass perilously close to Earth. So, for the cheat sheet, we’d itemize how many new bridges the bill would support, how many new interchanges in which key states—all to support a president whose attention might well be preoccupied with some other matter entirely. Card No. 6 was to me the most interesting: options for making news if the president wanted to make news in that place, that day. As the saying goes, you make news by attacking an enemy, surprising a friend, or announcing a new program. We’d pile those options one atop another. Four times out of five, the president would choose to ignore them entirely. President Barack Obama preferred a teleprompter to cards, if he was having the sort of meeting where one could be used. His critics liked to mock this—as if Obama, of all people, couldn’t speak coherently and fluently unprompted. But if a misplaced word from you could knock 20 percent off the S&P 500 within minutes, wouldn’t you want a cheat sheet or a teleprompter yourself? I once had an idea for a movie scene about the work of the presidency. From the point of view of an aide, you’d see the president backstage, behind a curtain, speaking urgently into a mobile phone. Then the curtain would part. The president would say “Hold on,” pass the phone to someone else in his entourage, and step out beyond the curtain. From backstage, you’d hear snatches of a speech to a group or an association. Applause. Then the president would step behind the curtain again, retrieve the phone, and resume his urgent conversation. Being the president is a tough job. It’s the center of everything. It comes with a huge staff for a reason. Winging it is not a virtue.
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Post by Just T on Feb 27, 2024 14:59:14 GMT
I am late to this party, but I do have something interesting to add. LOL
I spent the weekend with my mom, who I have written about before as being a huge Trump supporter. I saw a shift in her over the summer when I was spending much more time with her than normal while my dad was dying. Back in the summer, if we were watching the news, as soon as they started talking about anything having to do with Trump, she would mute the tv saying she was tired of hearing about it. She also said many other things that made me joke that she is really a closet liberal. LOL For instance, she is really upset that Roe VS Wade was overturned. Anyway, this weekend, she said she wishes Trump would just go away, that he is deranged and ruining our country. Can you imagine how shocked I was??? LOL
Then, she said she is tired of hearing how unstable Biden is, that she has watched several things lately where he is speaking and she thinks he sounds more stable than Trump.
Again, imagine my face! I was driving on the highway and it's a miracle I didn't crash!
To add my thoughts to this discussion, I would rather have a doddering old man (which I do not think Biden is. I will trust those who work with him every day who say he is not) than a man who is inciting Fascism in our country, a man who makes Nazis feel free to come out of hiding and spew their hatred. A man who has openly praised Putin, Kim Jong Un, MSB, etc. and saying how much he admires them. Sorry, but I'm not sorry about that. A man who has made it clear he will remove the US from NATO, which would cause a world wide disaster. I also would rather have a doddering old man than someone who along with his whole party has made no secret they are going to ensure that even more rights are taken from women. I can't even imagine how any woman can support any Republican right now, now that we have seen for ourselves what a post Roe v Wade world actually looks like.
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Post by jayfab on Feb 27, 2024 15:17:38 GMT
You seriously believe there are over 140 "red" peas who answered anonymously? You seriously don't? Do you know something I don't know? Yeah, your 140 number doesn't stand. You can take off those numbers, who are probably not "red"where 16 voted not enough to affect his ability to lead and 40 who don't care. So you're down to 84 probably red AND blue peas. I'm sure not all 84 are on the right. And do you seriously think you are going to change someone's mind with all your hate spewing when we're fighting for democracy??? Just like our grandfathers who fought the Nazis abroad we're fighting them on our turf now and will not be swayed. I know I want to live in a country that's decent and run by competent people vs a dictatorship where rights are being ripped away every day.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 27, 2024 21:46:07 GMT
You seriously don't? Do you know something I don't know? Yeah, your 140 number doesn't stand. You can take off those numbers, who are probably not "red"where 16 voted not enough to affect his ability to lead and 40 who don't care. So you're down to 84 probably red AND blue peas. I'm sure not all 84 are on the right. And do you seriously think you are going to change someone's mind with all your hate spewing when we're fighting for democracy??? Just like our grandfathers who fought the Nazis abroad we're fighting them on our turf now and will not be swayed. I know I want to live in a country that's decent and run by competent people vs a dictatorship where rights are being ripped away every day. Okay, to clarify and update... Thank you for showing exactly WHY over 100 peas, Left or Right, only feel comfortable answering anonymously. And exactly WHY no one on the Right participates anymore.Revirdsuba99 "And it shouldn't even warrant a discussion. It is disgusting that anyone can even argue that there is a legitimate reason to vote Republican this year." Iamkristinl16 "I can’t wait for a pea to come and tell us how we are interpreting this incorrectly." Merge "I feel like this shouldn't be a hard choice." smasonnc "And exactly which pea would that be? No need to name names; I think we know. It must be lonely in the basement with all the canned goods, thus the 19 page political threads." Aj2hall "Or find a way to twist it and justify it. Or gaslight us."
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 27, 2024 21:52:04 GMT
Yeah, your 140 number doesn't stand. You can take off those numbers, who are probably not "red"where 16 voted not enough to affect his ability to lead and 40 who don't care. So you're down to 84 probably red AND blue peas. I'm sure not all 84 are on the right. And do you seriously think you are going to change someone's mind with all your hate spewing when we're fighting for democracy??? Just like our grandfathers who fought the Nazis abroad we're fighting them on our turf now and will not be swayed. I know I want to live in a country that's decent and run by competent people vs a dictatorship where rights are being ripped away every day. Okay, to clarify and update... Thank you for showing exactly WHY over 100 peas, Left or Right, only feel comfortable answering anonymously. And exactly WHY no one on the Right participates anymore.Revirdsuba99 "And it shouldn't even warrant a discussion. It is disgusting that anyone can even argue that there is a legitimate reason to vote Republican this year." Iamkristinl16 "I can’t wait for a pea to come and tell us how we are interpreting this incorrectly." Merge "I feel like this shouldn't be a hard choice." smasonnc "And exactly which pea would that be? No need to name names; I think we know. It must be lonely in the basement with all the canned goods, thus the 19 page political threads." Aj2hall "Or find a way to twist it and justify it. Or gaslight us." You're leaving out important context again. All of those posts were in response to actual Nazis at a CPAC conference and the white Christian nationalist, fascist agenda of Project 2025. Really should not be hard to condemn that. Instead, you chose to deflect, insult all of us and leave out important context, proving our point.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 27, 2024 22:01:16 GMT
Interesting….
Kyle Griffin…
”In a new court filing, Jack Smith's office says that President Biden's handling of classified documents is not "remotely" similar to the "deceitful criminal conduct" of Trump.
"The defendants have not identified anyone who has engaged in a remotely similar suite of willful and deceitful criminal conduct and not been prosecuted. Nor could they."
"Trump, unlike Biden, is alleged to have engaged in extensive and repeated efforts to obstruct justice and thwart the return of documents bearing classification markings. And the evidence concerning the two men's intent — whether they knowingly possessed and willfully retained such documents — is also starkly different."
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 27, 2024 22:09:22 GMT
Okay, to clarify and update... Thank you for showing exactly WHY over 100 peas, Left or Right, only feel comfortable answering anonymously. And exactly WHY no one on the Right participates anymore.Revirdsuba99 "And it shouldn't even warrant a discussion. It is disgusting that anyone can even argue that there is a legitimate reason to vote Republican this year." Iamkristinl16 "I can’t wait for a pea to come and tell us how we are interpreting this incorrectly." Merge "I feel like this shouldn't be a hard choice." smasonnc "And exactly which pea would that be? No need to name names; I think we know. It must be lonely in the basement with all the canned goods, thus the 19 page political threads." Aj2hall "Or find a way to twist it and justify it. Or gaslight us." You're leaving out important context again. All of those posts were in response to actual Nazis at a CPAC conference and the white Christian nationalist, fascist agenda of Project 2025. Really should not be hard to condemn that. Instead, you chose to deflect, insult all of us and leave out important context, proving our point. I'm not the one that was throwing insults. The quotes show who THAT was. Whatever JUSTIFICATION you want to offer, doesnt change the fact that you all showed exactly WHY over 100 peas, Left or Right, only feel comfortable answering anonymously. And exactly WHY no one on the Right participates anymore.
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Post by jayfab on Feb 27, 2024 22:20:42 GMT
Yeah, your 140 number doesn't stand. You can take off those numbers, who are probably not "red"where 16 voted not enough to affect his ability to lead and 40 who don't care. So you're down to 84 probably red AND blue peas. I'm sure not all 84 are on the right. And do you seriously think you are going to change someone's mind with all your hate spewing when we're fighting for democracy??? Just like our grandfathers who fought the Nazis abroad we're fighting them on our turf now and will not be swayed. I know I want to live in a country that's decent and run by competent people vs a dictatorship where rights are being ripped away every day. Okay, to clarify and update... Thank you for showing exactly WHY over 100 peas, Left or Right, only feel comfortable answering anonymously.
And exactly WHY no one on the Right participates anymore.Revirdsuba99 "And it shouldn't even warrant a discussion. It is disgusting that anyone can even argue that there is a legitimate reason to vote Republican this year." Iamkristinl16 "I can’t wait for a pea to come and tell us how we are interpreting this incorrectly." Merge "I feel like this shouldn't be a hard choice." smasonnc "And exactly which pea would that be? No need to name names; I think we know. It must be lonely in the basement with all the canned goods, thus the 19 page political threads." Aj2hall "Or find a way to twist it and justify it. Or gaslight us." Haha, try again. The poll wouldn't be any different if it wasn't anonymous. I bet most republicans that were here have turned their backs on the fascist cult party is why they don't participate. Or maybe they are just cowards. No one cares about what you keep harping about. We care about our country heading into fascism. How hard is that to comprehend? We all know you hate Biden but why do you want to live in a fascist country? You hate him and love trump that much?
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 27, 2024 22:40:36 GMT
Okay, to clarify and update... Thank you for showing exactly WHY over 100 peas, Left or Right, only feel comfortable answering anonymously.
And exactly WHY no one on the Right participates anymore.Revirdsuba99 "And it shouldn't even warrant a discussion. It is disgusting that anyone can even argue that there is a legitimate reason to vote Republican this year." Iamkristinl16 "I can’t wait for a pea to come and tell us how we are interpreting this incorrectly." Merge "I feel like this shouldn't be a hard choice." smasonnc "And exactly which pea would that be? No need to name names; I think we know. It must be lonely in the basement with all the canned goods, thus the 19 page political threads." Aj2hall "Or find a way to twist it and justify it. Or gaslight us." Haha, try again. The poll wouldn't be any different if it wasn't anonymous. I bet most republicans that were here have turned their backs on the fascist cult party is why they don't participate. Or maybe they are just cowards. Haha, try again. The exodus started long before Trump ever came down the escalator. Often because of extremist efforts to silence opposing facts and opinions like the examples I quoted. Then why do YOU support an administration that creates hoaxes, censors free speech in order to manipulate an approved narrative, and jails political opponents? Then why do YOU support a party who creates false documets in order to take down a political opponen, lies in order to cover for their preffered candidate and affect the outcome of an election? Why do YOU support that party in order to elect the racist, serial plagerist, sexual assaulting, corrupt, censoring, president that YOU support?
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Post by sideways on Feb 27, 2024 23:00:30 GMT
Then why do YOU support an administration that creates hoaxes, censors free speech in order to manipulate an approved narrative, and jails political opponents? Then why do YOU support a party who creates false documets in order to take down a political opponen, lies in order to cover for their preffered candidate and affect the outcome of an election? Why do YOU support that party in order to elect the racist, serial plagerist, sexual assaulting, corrupt, censoring, president that YOU support? You just described the current republican party and TFG. Why do you want fascism?
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 27, 2024 23:02:29 GMT
Then why do YOU support an administration that creates hoaxes, censors free speech in order to manipulate an approved narrative, and jails political opponents? Then why do YOU support a party who creates false documets in order to take down a political opponen, lies in order to cover for their preffered candidate and affect the outcome of an election? Why do YOU support that party in order to elect the racist, serial plagerist, sexual assaulting, corrupt, censoring, president that YOU support? You just described the current republican party and TFG. Why do you want fascism? Nope. That was a precise description of biden, his administration and the Democratic party. Why do YOU want fascism?
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Post by sideways on Feb 27, 2024 23:05:21 GMT
Not even remotely close to a description of the current administration. Just like a good little lemmin…I mean republican: accuse others of which you are guilty.
Answer the question, you fucking potato. Why do you want fascism? Quit deflecting like a coward.
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Post by gar on Feb 27, 2024 23:10:24 GMT
She’s pulling your plonker now surely😁
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Post by sideways on Feb 27, 2024 23:16:55 GMT
She’s pulling your plonker now surely😁 I’ve never heard that phrase in my life. 😂 Forgive me if my inner 12-year-old surfaced. I know you meant she’s being deceitful, but I was momentarily amused and then utterly repulsed. Though, as I’ve said before, she needs her plonked pulled. She obviously needs some happy hormone in her brain. Maybe then she wouldn’t be so miserable and would spend her time doing that instead whatever THIS is.
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Post by jayfab on Feb 27, 2024 23:24:08 GMT
Haha, try again. The poll wouldn't be any different if it wasn't anonymous. I bet most republicans that were here have turned their backs on the fascist cult party is why they don't participate. Or maybe they are just cowards. Haha, try again. The exodus started long before Trump ever came down the escalator. Often because of extremist efforts to silence opposing facts and opinions like the examples I quoted. Then why do YOU support an administration that creates hoaxes, censors free speech in order to manipulate an approved narrative, and jails political opponents? Then why do YOU support a party who creates false documets in order to take down a political opponen, lies in order to cover for their preffered candidate and affect the outcome of an election? Why do YOU support that party in order to elect the racist, serial plagerist, sexual assaulting, corrupt, censoring, president that YOU support? Not supporting any of your exaggerated claims. But I understand why you won't answer my questions.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 28, 2024 2:02:26 GMT
Then why do YOU support an administration that creates hoaxes, censors free speech in order to manipulate an approved narrative, and jails political opponents? Then why do YOU support a party who creates false documets in order to take down a political opponen, lies in order to cover for their preffered candidate and affect the outcome of an election? Why do YOU support that party in order to elect the racist, serial plagerist, sexual assaulting, corrupt, censoring, president that YOU support? You just described the current republican party and TFG. Why do you want fascism? Regrettably, from reading morecowbell's posts, I know what half her exaggerations, spins, twists and just plain falsehoods are about. I'm not sure what she was referring to by accusing Democrats for creating false documents. And I don't need to know the details - I'm guessing that there's a kernel of truth that she and conservative media have twisted. I searched google and laughed when the first hit for Biden administration false documents was this story about the Republicans' witness that was arrested. And most of the other search hits were the Hur report. abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-charges-fbi-confidential-source-alexander-smirnov/story?id=107275129eta - I'm probably going to regret this, but I dug a little further and found this about faked documents. A faked document was shared on social media and popped up in google searches. Not sure how this is President Biden's or the Democrats fault. I also find it ironic that she often complains about the Biden Administration working with social media. www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/verified-accounts-spread-fake-news-release-biden-8-billion-aid-package-rcna119372The faked document appears to be an edited version of President Joe Biden's July memo announcing $400 million in aid to Ukraine. Even though images of the faked document appeared on social media, it was never published on the White House website or in the government's Federal Register of federal documents. After this article was first published, a White House representative confirmed that the document was fake.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 28, 2024 3:10:48 GMT
He's really grasping at straws here
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 28, 2024 3:50:56 GMT
Haha, try again. The poll wouldn't be any different if it wasn't anonymous. I bet most republicans that were here have turned their backs on the fascist cult party is why they don't participate. Or maybe they are just cowards. Haha, try again. The exodus started long before Trump ever came down the escalator. Often because of extremist efforts to silence opposing facts and opinions like the examples I quoted. Then why do YOU support an administration that creates hoaxes, censors free speech in order to manipulate an approved narrative, and jails political opponents? Then why do YOU support a party who creates false documets in order to take down a political opponen, lies in order to cover for their preffered candidate and affect the outcome of an election? Why do YOU support that party in order to elect the racist, serial plagerist, sexual assaulting, corrupt, censoring, president that YOU support? 1. What political opponents were jailed? 2. What false documents were created to take down what political opponent? 3. How was the outcome of the election affected? If you are going to make these accusations then you need to provide the specifics that can be verified. Otherwise you are just telling tales.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Feb 28, 2024 4:10:24 GMT
He's really grasping at straws here Well sign me up as one with diminished capacity. And my husband, and my children and all the people I saw at the ice cream shop yesterday afternoon. God these people are really stretching here.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 28, 2024 15:11:29 GMT
Posting these here because they're relevant to how both election campaigns are going and the hurdles and challenges both need to overcome
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 28, 2024 15:16:59 GMT
Posting these here because they are responses to racist remarks made by Trump. Although one pea is in denial, I think the rest of us are aware of his racist and xenophobic behavior and comments. BREAKING: White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre absolutely torches Donald Trump for his "divisive and repugnant" remarks in which he said that his criminal indictments have made him popular with Black Americans.
"Just being very candid here, it’s repugnant, and it’s divisive to traffic in racist stereotypes," said Jean-Pierre at a briefing. "That’s what we have seen and that affects all Americans, right? You’re tearing up all Americans by doing this. It is, again, divisive and repugnant, and it’s coming from obviously a former president of the United States."
"And in any context, it is profane to compare the long, painful history … of abuse and discrimination suffered by Black Americans … to something that is totally different than self-serving purposes. That’s what we saw from the former president," she went on.
Trump made the offensive remarks at an event for Black conservatives in South Carolina—
"I got indicted for nothing, for something that is nothing," he said. "And a lot of people said that’s why the Black people like me, because they have been hurt so badly and discriminated against, and they actually viewed me as I’m being discriminated against. It’s been pretty amazing, but possibly, maybe, there’s something there."
Absolutely disgusting. Bravo to Karine Jean-Pierre for calling out this racist rhetoric — which is unfortunately in perfect keeping with the bigot that we know Donald Trump to be.www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2024/02/26/press-gaggle-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-en-route-queens-ny/Q Karine, is there a White House response to the former President’s comments on Friday that his indictments appeal to Black voters because he’s been discriminated against, as Black Americans have been?
MS. JEAN-PIERRE: So, as you know, I’m going to be really careful. He’s a candidate as well, and he was speaking at a political event, and it’s an election — 2024 — so I need to be really mindful. And then, I think we have to sit down.
So, speaking separately, it is — it is a repugnant and dis- — and divisive — it is repugnant and dis- — divisive to traffic in racist stereotypes that have the re- — that have the effect of — of tearing — tearing all Americans down. And in any context, it is profa- — profane to compare the long, painful history of — of abuse and discrimination suffered by Black Americans to something totally different for self-serving purposes.
President Joe Biden has been always very clear on this, that we must give hate no safe harbor. Instead, we need to bring Americans together around our shared values about the rights and — and dignity of everyone.
That’s what the country needs to hear right now: a unity for the sake of all Americans — to unify in the sake of all Americans, not division for the sake of one person.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 28, 2024 15:23:43 GMT
Posting this here because we were discussing Project 2025 and the white Christian nationalist, fascist plans
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 28, 2024 15:34:45 GMT
Posting this here because our perception around the world and relationship with allies is important. Foreign leaders do not trust Donald Trump. And morecowbell opened this door when she posted a tweet about Biden’s comments regarding foreign leaders.
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