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Post by morecowbell on Feb 12, 2024 22:30:52 GMT
Has Biden experienced a mental decline over the past 4 years? Well, I’m not a doctor who has examined him so I can’t say for sure. That said, I’m sure he has experienced the same mental decline that would be expected in an otherwise healthy man of his age. * many of the “language issues” can be attributed more to his stutter than to any mental decline.*Not a single one of these is because of a stutter. Not one. Documented mental decline: Not remembering the year of defining milestones in his own life, such as when his son Beau died or when he served as vice-president. Not EVEN within several years. Couldn't do it. Had to ask someone else. Biden claims in 2021 right after he was elected he sat down with French President Mitterand and had a conversation with him . Mitterand died 28 YEARS ago. The most recent episode where he repeated the same exact story, verbatim, within a couple of minutes. At this point in his life, and after he promised not to do this kind of thing anymore, not knowing and understanding that it is not at all okay to "nibble" on a small child's ear that you don't even know, causing her to be upset. When asked if he's going to declare a climate emergency... Biden "I’ve already done that." 🤔 He hasn't. Biden "we're going to build a bridge across the Indian Ocean" Biden "Putin is clearly losing the war in Iraq" He looked like he forgot that Schumer? just shook his hand and he held out his hand again for him to shake. Always being confused on HOW to leave the podium in recent years. Thinking he's running for United States Senate, (at least twice) when he was running for president. Again recently in 2024, in an ice cream shop, bakery or deli, or something. Repeatedly not understanding not to read the stage directions. Standing trance like while holding an imaginary steering wheel? while looking off into the distance instead of looking at the the person asking him a question. Saying "We're in the process of deciding what I think." in response to a reporter's question. Having a man standing at the turn of the sidewalk to guide him back onto the sidewalk and Biden STILL kept going straight, past the the guy, past the sidewalk, onto the grass. With a man standing there pointing the way like an air traffic controller! He STILL couldn't do it! That's alarming for someone who is supposed to be running an entire country Forgetting words, concepts, people's names and that this is the Biden presidency -not the Harris presidency. Admitting that "they" won't let you take questions -saying that "they" are going to be mad at him if he does. Repeatedly being guided around with hands on, moving him around like you would a 5 year old. I've seen Jill do it at least twice and the Easter Bunny once. Actually being treated like a man in a diminished mental state. Trying to put his jacket on. It was just short of a dog chasing his tail. It was alarmingly like a child who hadn't quite got the concept yet. The press guy talking about when he was recovering from covid the first time, he said that Joe actually held up his plate to show him he ate everything on his plate. Like a 3 year old. Forgetting he had just been to the funeral days before, of a woman he started looking for and calling for her to come to the podium. Did it again 2024. Rambling on about a guy named Cornpop while reminiscing about letting kids playing with his leg hair decades ago. *Not a single one of those is because of a stutter. Not one. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 12, 2024 22:37:57 GMT
www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/opinion/neuroscientist-on-biden-age-memory.htmlAs an expert on memory, I can assure you that everyone forgets. In fact, most of the details of our lives — the people we meet, the things we do and the places we go — will inevitably be reduced to memories that capture only a small fraction of those experiences.
It is normal to be more forgetful as you get older. Broadly speaking, memory functions begin to decline in our 30s and continue to fade into old age. However, age in and of itself doesn’t indicate the presence of memory deficits that would affect an individual’s ability to perform in a demanding leadership role. And an apparent memory lapse may or may not be consequential depending on the reasons it occurred.
There is forgetting and there is Forgetting. If you’re over the age of 40, you’ve most likely experienced the frustration of trying to grasp hold of that slippery word hovering on the tip of your tongue. Colloquially, this might be described as ‘forgetting,’ but most memory scientists would call this “retrieval failure,” meaning that the memory is there, but we just can’t pull it up when we need it. On the other hand, Forgetting (with a capital F) is when a memory is seemingly lost or gone altogether. Inattentively conflating the names of the leaders of two countries would fall in the first category, whereas being unable to remember that you had ever met the president of Egypt would fall into the latter.Many of the special counsel’s observations about Mr. Biden’s memory seem to fall in the category of forgetting, meaning that they are more indicative of a problem with finding the right information from memory than actual Forgetting. Calling up the date that an event occurred, like the last year of Mr. Biden’s vice presidency or the year of his son’s death, is a complex measure of memory. Remembering that an event took place is different than being able to put a date on when it happened, the latter of which is more challenging with increased age. The president very likely has many memories of both periods of his life, even though he could not immediately pull up the date in the stressful (and more immediately pressing) context of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel.
Other “memory” issues highlighted in the media are not so much cases of forgetting as they are of difficulties in the articulation of facts and knowledge. For instance, in July 2023, Mr. Biden mistakenly stated in a speech that “we have over 100 people dead,” when he should have said, “over one million.” He has struggled with a stutter since childhood, and research suggests that managing a stutter demands prefrontal resources that would normally enable people to find the right word or at least quickly correct errors after the fact.
The fact is that there is a huge degree of variability in cognitive aging. Age is, on average, associated with decreased memory, but studies that follow up the same person over several years have shown that, although some older adults show precipitous declines over time, other “super-agers” remain as sharp as ever.
rather than focusing on candidates’ ages per se, we should consider whether they have the capabilities to do the job. Public perception of a person’s cognitive state is often determined by superficial factors, such as physical presence, confidence, and verbal fluency, but these aren’t necessarily relevant to one’s capacity to make consequential decisions about the fate of this country. Memory is surely relevant, but other characteristics, such as knowledge of the relevant facts and emotion regulation — both of which are relatively preserved and might even improve with age — are likely to be of equal or greater importance.
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Post by Merge on Feb 12, 2024 23:12:09 GMT
You stated that you made the poll so that people can answer anonymously. But you didn’t say what the purpose of asking this question is in the first place. Like, are you hoping to convince people to vote for Trump instead? Just feel like popping in and trying to stick it to the libs? Clearly you feel that Biden is too old to do the job and you’ve spent a lot of time here trying to prove that. Why? To what end? It has nothing to do with "sticking it to" anybody. I figured there were at least a few people that can see Biden is mentally declining more than normal, but didn't want to voice it because they didn't want to deal with the hostile confrontation. I wanted to see how many. But several people here have voiced their concern about Biden’s mental condition without receiving any hostile confrontation. Are you hoping they will join you in supporting Trump? |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 12, 2024 23:15:38 GMT
President Biden could most likely correctly identify the state where the Kansas City Chiefs are from, unlike the former guy
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 12, 2024 23:37:42 GMT
It has nothing to do with "sticking it to" anybody. I figured there were at least a few people that can see Biden is mentally declining more than normal, but didn't want to voice it because they didn't want to deal with the hostile confrontation. I wanted to see how many. But several people here have voiced their concern about Biden’s mental condition without receiving any hostile confrontation. Are you hoping they will join you in supporting Trump? Many people ARE met with aggressive hostility when they talk about it. Someone started a thread asking about it a few months back and she was absolutely destroyed. I can't talk about it without a hateful pile-on. ...... I told you exactly why I made the poll. That's all there is to it. Nothing more. Stop trying to add on to my reasons. It looks like you NEED something to fight about, but you just can't find anything. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2024 0:34:41 GMT
But several people here have voiced their concern about Biden’s mental condition without receiving any hostile confrontation. Are you hoping they will join you in supporting Trump? Many people ARE met with aggressive hostility when they talk about it. Someone started a thread asking about it a few months back and she was absolutely destroyed. I can't talk about it without a hateful pile-on. ...... I told you exactly why I made the poll. That's all there is to it. Nothing more. Stop trying to add on to my reasons. It looks like you NEED something to fight about, but you just can't find anything. I think you have an odd definition of “absolutely destroyed.” Most people disagreeing with you does not equal “destroying” you. Almost every regular poster here has had a thread or comment go sideways with lots of disagreement. Maybe you should consider why you’re met with hostility when others are not. I’m not looking for a fight. I’m hoping to get you to acknowledge your own partisan leanings rather than trying to play the objective centrist, which we all know you are not. |
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Post by Lurkingpea on Feb 13, 2024 0:44:22 GMT
Many people ARE met with aggressive hostility when they talk about it. Someone started a thread asking about it a few months back and she was absolutely destroyed. I can't talk about it without a hateful pile-on. ...... I told you exactly why I made the poll. That's all there is to it. Nothing more. Stop trying to add on to my reasons. It looks like you NEED something to fight about, but you just can't find anything. I think you have an odd definition of “absolutely destroyed.” Most people disagreeing with you does not equal “destroying” you. Almost every regular poster here has had a thread or comment go sideways with lots of disagreement. Maybe you should consider why you’re met with hostility when others are not. I’m not looking for a fight. I’m hoping to get you to acknowledge your own partisan leanings rather than trying to play the objective centrist, which we all know you are not. I have her blocked, so I don't even read her.posts, but is it safe to assume she never addresses the nonsense Trump spews? Does she ever question Trump's mental decline? |
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2024 0:49:48 GMT
I think you have an odd definition of “absolutely destroyed.” Most people disagreeing with you does not equal “destroying” you. Almost every regular poster here has had a thread or comment go sideways with lots of disagreement. Maybe you should consider why you’re met with hostility when others are not. I’m not looking for a fight. I’m hoping to get you to acknowledge your own partisan leanings rather than trying to play the objective centrist, which we all know you are not. I have her blocked, so I don't even read her.posts, but is it safe to assume she never addresses the nonsense Trump spews? Does she ever question Trump's mental decline? No. And that’s why she gets hostility. She shows up here periodically trying to act like the voice of reason looking down on all the deluded partisans. Her arguments are never made in good faith because she’s pretending to be objective while vigorously criticizing only one side. |
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 13, 2024 1:36:41 GMT
Many people ARE met with aggressive hostility when they talk about it. Someone started a thread asking about it a few months back and she was absolutely destroyed. I can't talk about it without a hateful pile-on. ...... I told you exactly why I made the poll. That's all there is to it. Nothing more. Stop trying to add on to my reasons. It looks like you NEED something to fight about, but you just can't find anything. I think you have an odd definition of “absolutely destroyed.” Most people disagreeing with you does not equal “destroying” you. Almost every regular poster here has had a thread or comment go sideways with lots of disagreement. Maybe you should consider why you’re met with hostility when others are not. I’m not looking for a fight. I’m hoping to get you to acknowledge your own partisan leanings rather than trying to play the objective centrist, which we all know you are not. Said the one who, a while ago, came into my non-political "positive" "uplifting" thread, for the sole purpose of shitting on it by making it political and absolutely starting a fight about it. A thread that other peas were vocal in their appreciation of. So, no. It isn't me, it's you. And you have no self awareness. Others are.
linkThis thread of GaJenny's is filled to the brim with people going extremely beyond just disagreeing with both of us. It's brutal, so much so, it appears that she left. And you trying to downplay it as just disagreement is extremely dishonest. Not to mention the fact that ALMOST NO ONE with a differing opinion from the aggressively hostile group, posts here anymore, absolutely disputes your insinuation that the problem is me. So, it's not me it's you. Not only that, you're dishonest about. Try really hard to have even a little bit of self awareness. I’m not looking for a fight. I’m hoping to get you to acknowledge your own partisan leanings rather than trying to play the objective centrist, which we all know you are not. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2024 1:46:33 GMT
I think you have an odd definition of “absolutely destroyed.” Most people disagreeing with you does not equal “destroying” you. Almost every regular poster here has had a thread or comment go sideways with lots of disagreement. Maybe you should consider why you’re met with hostility when others are not. I’m not looking for a fight. I’m hoping to get you to acknowledge your own partisan leanings rather than trying to play the objective centrist, which we all know you are not. Said the one who, a while ago, came into my non-political "positive" "uplifting" thread, for the sole purpose of shitting on it by making it political and absolutely starting a fight about it. A thread that other peas were vocal in their appreciation of. So, no. It isn't me, it's you. And you have no self awareness.
linkThis thread of GaJenny's is filled to the brim with people going extremely beyond just disagreeing with both of us. It's brutal, so much so, it appears that she left. And you trying to downplay it as just disagreement is extremely dishonest. Not to mention the fact that ALMOST NO ONE with a differing opinion from the aggressively hostile group, posts here anymore, absolutely disputes your insinuation that the problem is me. So, it's not me it's you. Not only that, you're dishonest about. Try really hard to have even a little bit of self awareness. I’m not looking for a fight. I’m hoping to get you to acknowledge your own partisan leanings rather than trying to play the objective centrist, which we all know you are not. 🙄 OK. |
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Post by lucyg on Feb 13, 2024 1:54:09 GMT
I think you have an odd definition of “absolutely destroyed.” Most people disagreeing with you does not equal “destroying” you. Almost every regular poster here has had a thread or comment go sideways with lots of disagreement. Maybe you should consider why you’re met with hostility when others are not. I’m not looking for a fight. I’m hoping to get you to acknowledge your own partisan leanings rather than trying to play the objective centrist, which we all know you are not. Said the one who, a while ago, came into my non-political "positive" "uplifting" thread, for the sole purpose of shitting on it by making it political and absolutely starting a fight about it. A thread that other peas were vocal in their appreciation of. So, no. It isn't me, it's you. And you have no self awareness.
linkThis thread of GaJenny's is filled to the brim with people going extremely beyond just disagreeing with both of us. It's brutal, so much so, it appears that she left. And you trying to downplay it as just disagreement is extremely dishonest. Not to mention the fact that ALMOST NO ONE with a differing opinion from the aggressively hostile group, posts here anymore, absolutely disputes your insinuation that the problem is me. So, it's not me it's you. Not only that, you're dishonest about. Try really hard to have even a little bit of self awareness. I’m not looking for a fight. I’m hoping to get you to acknowledge your own partisan leanings rather than trying to play the objective centrist, which we all know you are not. Maybe when you quit yakking about Biden’s supposed disabilities while completely ignoring Trump’s clear failures, people will start taking you more seriously. And I believe the reason so few conservatives post here anymore are two-fold: one, some of those conservatives have come over to the dark side in the past 20 years (you know who you are), and two, the remaining conservatives realize it’s damn near impossible to defend their support of that traitorous criminal monster Trump. Even you say very little to actually support him. Mostly you just attack Democrats. And yes, they get attacked for their opinions. Just like liberals used to get attacked back when the board was predominantly conservative. We hung in there anyway. |
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Post by dewryce on Feb 13, 2024 2:29:47 GMT
lucyg Love your new profile pic, you look great!
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 13, 2024 2:33:12 GMT
And look at that. It's almost like Trump is so narcissistic, he can't stand for anyone else to be the center of attention, so he says something really outrageous to bring the attention to himself. He might have gone to far with his comments on NATO, but I've thought that before, so we'll see. The Biden team even has help pointing out of the dangers of Trump's plans, other Republicans like Nikki Haley are criticizing him. Republican senators defied Trump with the Ukraine aid vote. Thankfully, Trump is sometimes his own worst enemy. www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/us/politics/trump-nato-biden-age.htmlTrump Steps Up, Helping Biden Just When the President Needs Him
Donald J. Trump’s stunning statement supporting a Russian attack against “delinquent” NATO allies takes attention away from unwelcome questions about the president’s age and provides the Biden camp a useful contrast.
Just when Mr. Biden was swamped by unwelcome questions about his age, his predecessor and challenger stepped in, rescuing him with an ill-timed diatribe vowing to “encourage” Russia to attack NATO allies that do not spend enough on their militaries.
The stunner from Mr. Trump over the weekend not only drew attention away from the president’s memory problems, as detailed in a special counsel report, but also provided a convenient way for Mr. Biden’s defenders to reframe the issue: Yes, they could now say, the incumbent may be an old man who sometimes forgets things, but his challenger is both aging and dangerously reckless.
It was not the first time, nor likely will it be the last, that Mr. Trump has stepped up when an adversary was in trouble to provide an escape route with an ill-considered howler of his own. Mr. Trump’s lifelong appetite for attention has often collided with his evident best interest. For Mr. Biden, that may be the key to this year’s campaign, banking on his opponent’s inability to stay silent at critical moments and hoping that he keeps reminding voters why they rejected him in 2020.
“Donald Trump can’t help himself,” said Rodell Mollineau, a Democratic strategist and Partner at ROKK Solutions. “He will always try to turn the focus to him, even when it’s not in his advantage to do so. I expect many more hold-my-beer moments from Trump before this election is over.”
Robert Gibbs, a former White House press secretary to President Barack Obama, said the latest episode proved that Mr. Trump was incapable of heeding an old political adage: “If your opponent is having a bad day, simply get out of the way and let it happen.”
For Mr. Biden, he said, such out-of-the-blue opportunities may prove decisive. “The dexterity of the president and his team to drive those moments is going to be maybe one of the big determining factors as to who wins this race.” |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 13, 2024 2:39:34 GMT
Also this little nugget. Apparently, there are no limits to Trump's nepotism. He's considering replacing her as the RNC chair. Perfect timing, in a critical election year, appoint someone who is significantly inexperienced and unqualified. She has no clue what she's doing, but she's loyal to him and that's all that matters in his feeble little brain. www.nytimes.com/live/2024/02/12/us/trump-biden-election-newsElection 2024 Donald J. Trump is talking about endorsing Lara Trump for R.N.C. co-chair. Former President Donald J. Trump is privately discussing endorsing his daughter-in-law, Lara Trump, to be the co-chair of the Republican National Committee, according to three people familiar with the discussions. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 13, 2024 2:45:13 GMT
Maybe Nikki Haley is finally taking the gloves off? www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/us/politics/trump-haley-husband-troops.htmlNikki Haley, in the final stretch before the South Carolina primary, is going all in on attacking former President Donald J. Trump, her former boss and chief rival, whom she trails by a huge margin in her home state.
In Elgin, S.C., on Monday, she cast Mr. Trump as disrespectful to military personnel, a threat to national security, and too addled by old age to effectively serve.
She criticized the former president’s comments over the weekend insinuating that her husband, who is deployed to Africa with the National Guard, left the country to escape her. Those remarks, Ms. Haley said on Monday, were insulting to all military personnel, adding, “With that kind of disrespect for the military, he’s not qualified to be the president of the United States, because I don’t trust him to protect them.”
Speaking to reporters afterward, she got more personal.
“The most harm he’s ever come across is whether a golf ball hits him on a golf cart, and you’re going to go and mock our men and women in the military?” she said. “I don’t care what party you’re in, that’s not OK.”
Ms. Haley also hit Mr. Trump for suggesting he would encourage Russian aggression against U.S. allies behind on payments to the military alliance. She said the remarks put service members and “all of our allies in harm’s way.”
“Donald Trump is taking the side of a thug,” she said, noting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and its detainment of Evan Gershkovich, a reporter at The Wall Street Journal. |
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Post by lucyg on Feb 13, 2024 2:53:20 GMT
lucyg Love your new profile pic, you look great! thank you!  |
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 13, 2024 2:53:39 GMT
Said the one who, a while ago, came into my non-political "positive" "uplifting" thread, for the sole purpose of shitting on it by making it political and absolutely starting a fight about it. A thread that other peas were vocal in their appreciation of. So, no. It isn't me, it's you. And you have no self awareness.
linkThis thread of GaJenny's is filled to the brim with people going extremely beyond just disagreeing with both of us. It's brutal, so much so, it appears that she left. And you trying to downplay it as just disagreement is extremely dishonest. Not to mention the fact that ALMOST NO ONE with a differing opinion from the aggressively hostile group, posts here anymore, absolutely disputes your insinuation that the problem is me. So, it's not me it's you. Not only that, you're dishonest about. Try really hard to have even a little bit of self awareness. I’m not looking for a fight. I’m hoping to get you to acknowledge your own partisan leanings rather than trying to play the objective centrist, which we all know you are not. Maybe when you quit yakking about Biden’s supposed disabilities while completely ignoring Trump’s clear failures, people will start taking you more seriously. Your excuse is to blame ME for what SOMEONE ELSE DOES?! That's so absurd, I'm embarrassed for you. I have on occasion agreed with people on Trump's failings. Just recently even. So I don't "completely ignore" them. But, unless I echo everything, including the hoaxes and outright lies, it will never be enough. So, I mostly don't bother. So here we are, yet another debunked bullshit reason that it's MY fault for getting personally attacked. The fact that you never hold anyone accountable for MAKING personal attacks also shows your "excuse" is pure and utter bullshit. The dozens of threads we've had over the years complaining about the overbearing hostility to differing opinion, shows more than your 2 excuses. And here’s some more... Just under 100 people have agreed ANONYMOUSLY that they think Biden has mentally declined more than normal age related decline. And less than a handful- with fingers left over- have PUBLICLY declared they see his mental decline. That says it all. Exactly. I actually would have really liked Vivek Ramaswamy. No. Actually I don't. Providing facts that don't support false claims being made, is not attacking anyone. Giving differing opinions is not attacking anyone either. No one is attacking from the Right here anymore. It's been a VERY long time that has happened. And especially to the extent that anyone on the Right is currently attacked and piled on. That's what I'm doing, but I've even been attacked for doing that. The problem people are having is, I call out lies and hoaxes, I have differing facts and opinions, and I have the audacity to stand up for them instead of sitting down and shutting up, when I'm told to. That's the absolute truth. Go back and read any of the exchanges between me and anybody, without a bias, with honesty and you'll see it. When you do, you can't unsee it. |
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Post by lucyg on Feb 13, 2024 3:10:01 GMT
Maybe when you quit yakking about Biden’s supposed disabilities while completely ignoring Trump’s clear failures, people will start taking you more seriously. Your excuse is to blame ME for what SOMEONE ELSE DOES?! That's so absurd, I'm embarrassed for you. I have on occasion agreed with people on Trump's failings. Just recently even. So I don't "completely ignore" them. But, unless I echo everything, including the hoaxes and outright lies, it will never be enough. So, I mostly don't bother. So here we are, yet another debunked bullshit reason that it's MY fault for getting personally attacked. The fact that you never hold anyone accountable for MAKING personal attacks also shows your "excuse" is pure and utter bullshit. The dozens of threads we've had over the years complaining about the overbearing hostility to differing opinion, shows more than your 2 excuses. And here’s some more... Just under 100 people have agreed ANONYMOUSLY that they think Biden has mentally declined more than normal age related decline. And less than a handful- with fingers left over- have PUBLICLY declared they see his mental decline. That says it all. Exactly. I actually would have really liked Vivek Ramaswamy. No. Actually I don't. Providing facts that don't support false claims being made, is not attacking anyone. Giving differing opinions is not attacking anyone either. No one is attacking from the Right here anymore. It's been a VERY long time that has happened. And especially to the extent that anyone on the Right is currently attacked and piled on. That's what I'm doing, but I've even been attacked for doing that. The problem people are having is, I call out lies and hoaxes, I have differing facts and opinions, and I have the audacity to stand up for them instead of sitting down and shutting up, when I'm told to. That's the absolute truth. Go back and read any of the exchanges between me and anybody, without a bias, with honesty and you'll see it. When you do, you can't unsee it. No. To all of the above. Sorry, but I disagree with every single word. Carry on. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 13, 2024 3:24:52 GMT
Maybe when you quit yakking about Biden’s supposed disabilities while completely ignoring Trump’s clear failures, people will start taking you more seriously. Exactly. I actually would have really liked Vivek Ramaswamy. If you're trying to win liberal or even moderate friends on this board, I don't think support of Ramaswamy is going to help. In some ways, he is more extreme than Trump. His disregard for the Constitution among other things is alarming. He proposed raising the voting age to 25. 18-25 year olds could vote if they took a citizenship test. Not the equivalent of literacy test for black voters, but not far from it. Ramaswamy thought Trump didn't go far enough. He wanted to take plans further and expand executive powers. He wanted to eliminate the FBI, Department of Education and National Regulatory Commission. Also, he planned to gut 75% of executive branch employees. He wanted to nominate Mike Lee and Ted Cruz to the Supreme Court. After the shooting in Maine, he talked about involuntarily committing people to mental institutions and using faith based methods to cure them. He bragged about being called "Brown Mussolini" He supports a 6 week abortion ban. He believed conspiracy theories like the Great replacement theory, Jan 6 was an "inside job", federal agents' involvement in 9/11, the foiled kidnapping of Gretchen Whitmer was entrapment and an inside job and the idea that political elites would replace Biden next year. His foreign policy ideas were crazy, too. He suggested arming every Taiwanese against China. He wanted to surrender Ukraine to Russia. He wanted to deport and take away citizenship from people born in the US to undocumented immigrants. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/26/vivek-ramaswamy-2024-presidential-campaign/It shows, frankly, a historically unprecedented disregard for the powers laid out in the Constitution, which are that the president is supposed to execute the law, not just create new ones willy-nilly,” presidential historian Lindsay Chervinsky said of the plans. “This is unprecedented in its disregard for that power sharing structure laid out in the Constitution.” |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 13, 2024 3:36:45 GMT
This is an excellent point about Biden's ability to do his job. He meets with a lot of people across the political spectrum and foreign diplomats. No one has said he's not able to do his job, That's not a secret the White House could keep under wraps. www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/opinion/joe-biden-age-campaign.htmlI have argued since 2022 that Biden shouldn’t run again because he’s too old, but there’s never been much sign that his advanced age affects his performance in office. I’m not aware of any leaks from the White House suggesting that Biden is confused, exhausted or forgetful when setting priorities or making decisions. It’s not just Democratic partisans who find Biden more impressive up close than his frail, halting image in the media would suggest. As Politico reported of the ousted House speaker Kevin McCarthy, “On a particularly sensitive matter, McCarthy mocked Biden’s age and mental acuity in public, while privately telling allies that he found the president sharp and substantive in their conversations.” |
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 13, 2024 3:39:24 GMT
Your excuse is to blame ME for what SOMEONE ELSE DOES?! That's so absurd, I'm embarrassed for you. I have on occasion agreed with people on Trump's failings. Just recently even. So I don't "completely ignore" them. But, unless I echo everything, including the hoaxes and outright lies, it will never be enough. So, I mostly don't bother. So here we are, yet another debunked bullshit reason that it's MY fault for getting personally attacked. The fact that you never hold anyone accountable for MAKING personal attacks also shows your "excuse" is pure and utter bullshit. The dozens of threads we've had over the years complaining about the overbearing hostility to differing opinion, shows more than your 2 excuses. And here’s some more... Just under 100 people have agreed ANONYMOUSLY that they think Biden has mentally declined more than normal age related decline. And less than a handful- with fingers left over- have PUBLICLY declared they see his mental decline. That says it all. Exactly. I actually would have really liked Vivek Ramaswamy. No. Actually I don't. Providing facts that don't support false claims being made, is not attacking anyone. Giving differing opinions is not attacking anyone either. No one is attacking from the Right here anymore. It's been a VERY long time that has happened. And especially to the extent that anyone on the Right is currently attacked and piled on. That's what I'm doing, but I've even been attacked for doing that. The problem people are having is, I call out lies and hoaxes, I have differing facts and opinions, and I have the audacity to stand up for them instead of sitting down and shutting up, when I'm told to. That's the absolute truth. Go back and read any of the exchanges between me and anybody, without a bias, with honesty and you'll see it. When you do, you can't unsee it. Your excuse is to blame ME for what SOMEONE ELSE DOES?! THAT'S A QUESTION.👆 That's so absurd, I'm embarrassed for you. FACT.I have on occasion agreed with people on Trump's failings. Just recently even. So I don't "completely ignore" them. FACT.But, unless I echo everything, including the hoaxes and outright lies, it will never be enough. Its actually been said to me that it isn't enough. SO, FACT So, I mostly don't bother. FACT. So here we are, yet another debunked bullshit reason that it's MY fault for getting personally attacked. FACTThe fact that you never hold anyone accountable for MAKING personal attacks also shows your "excuse" is pure and utter bullshit. FACT The dozens of threads we've had over the years complaining about the overbearing hostility to differing opinion, shows more than your 2 excuses. FACT And here’s some more... Just under 100 people have agreed ANONYMOUSLY that they think Biden has mentally declined more than normal age related decline. And less than a handful- with fingers left over- have PUBLICLY declared they see his mental decline. FACT That says it all. Exactly. I actually would have really liked Vivek Ramaswamy. FACT No. Actually I don't. Providing facts that don't support false claims being made, is not attacking anyone. Giving differing opinions is not attacking anyone either. FACTNo one is attacking from the Right here anymore. It's been a VERY long time that has happened. And especially to the extent that anyone on the Right is currently attacked and piled on. FACTThat's what I'm doing, but I've even been attacked for doing that. FACTThe problem people are having is, I call out lies and hoaxes, I have differing facts and opinions, and I have the audacity to stand up for them instead of sitting down and shutting up, when I'm told to. FACTThat's the absolute truth. FACT Go back and read any of the exchanges between me and anybody, without a bias, with honesty and you'll see it. When you do, you can't unsee it. Disagree with facts all you want. |
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 13, 2024 3:43:44 GMT
Exactly. I actually would have really liked Vivek Ramaswamy. If you're trying to win liberal or even moderate friends on this board, I don't think support of Ramaswamy is going to help. In some ways, he is more extreme than Trump. His disregard for the Constitution among other things is alarming. He proposed raising the voting age to 25. 18-25 year olds could vote if they took a citizenship test. Not the equivalent of literacy test for black voters, but not far from it. Ramaswamy thought Trump didn't go far enough. He wanted to take plans further and expand executive powers. He wanted to eliminate the FBI, Department of Education and National Regulatory Commission. Also, he planned to gut 75% of executive branch employees. He wanted to nominate Mike Lee and Ted Cruz to the Supreme Court. After the shooting in Maine, he talked about involuntarily committing people to mental institutions and using faith based methods to cure them. He bragged about being called "Brown Mussolini" He supports a 6 week abortion ban. He believed conspiracy theories like the Great replacement theory, Jan 6 was an "inside job", federal agents' involvement in 9/11, the foiled kidnapping of Gretchen Whitmer was entrapment and an inside job and the idea that political elites would replace Biden next year. His foreign policy ideas were crazy, too. He suggested arming every Taiwanese against China. He wanted to surrender Ukraine to Russia. He wanted to deport and take away citizenship from people born in the US to undocumented immigrants. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/26/vivek-ramaswamy-2024-presidential-campaign/It shows, frankly, a historically unprecedented disregard for the powers laid out in the Constitution, which are that the president is supposed to execute the law, not just create new ones willy-nilly,” presidential historian Lindsay Chervinsky said of the plans. “This is unprecedented in its disregard for that power sharing structure laid out in the Constitution.”No one would think it is. I certainly don't. I have no illusions about making any friends of certain kind of people here. And I'm not debating Ramaswamy here. So you can take your dig and move along. |
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Post by tincin on Feb 13, 2024 3:45:41 GMT
Where is the no option?
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Post by lucyg on Feb 13, 2024 3:52:37 GMT
No. To all of the above. Sorry, but I disagree with every single word. Carry on. Your excuse is to blame ME for what SOMEONE ELSE DOES?! THAT'S A QUESTION.👆 That's so absurd, I'm embarrassed for you. FACT.I have on occasion agreed with people on Trump's failings. Just recently even. So I don't "completely ignore" them. FACT.But, unless I echo everything, including the hoaxes and outright lies, it will never be enough. Its actually been said to me that it isn't enough. SO, FACT So, I mostly don't bother. FACT. So here we are, yet another debunked bullshit reason that it's MY fault for getting personally attacked. FACTThe fact that you never hold anyone accountable for MAKING personal attacks also shows your "excuse" is pure and utter bullshit. FACT The dozens of threads we've had over the years complaining about the overbearing hostility to differing opinion, shows more than your 2 excuses. FACT And here’s some more... Just under 100 people have agreed ANONYMOUSLY that they think Biden has mentally declined more than normal age related decline. And less than a handful- with fingers left over- have PUBLICLY declared they see his mental decline. FACT That says it all. Exactly. I actually would have really liked Vivek Ramaswamy. FACT No. Actually I don't. Providing facts that don't support false claims being made, is not attacking anyone. Giving differing opinions is not attacking anyone either. FACTNo one is attacking from the Right here anymore. It's been a VERY long time that has happened. And especially to the extent that anyone on the Right is currently attacked and piled on. FACTThat's what I'm doing, but I've even been attacked for doing that. FACTThe problem people are having is, I call out lies and hoaxes, I have differing facts and opinions, and I have the audacity to stand up for them instead of sitting down and shutting up, when I'm told to. FACTThat's the absolute truth. FACT Go back and read any of the exchanges between me and anybody, without a bias, with honesty and you'll see it. When you do, you can't unsee it. Disagree with facts all you want. Keep repeating yourself over and over again. I’m still not going to agree with you. |
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Post by sideways on Feb 13, 2024 4:04:06 GMT
If you're trying to win liberal or even moderate friends on this board, I don't think support of Ramaswamy is going to help. In some ways, he is more extreme than Trump. His disregard for the Constitution among other things is alarming. He proposed raising the voting age to 25. 18-25 year olds could vote if they took a citizenship test. Not the equivalent of literacy test for black voters, but not far from it. Ramaswamy thought Trump didn't go far enough. He wanted to take plans further and expand executive powers. He wanted to eliminate the FBI, Department of Education and National Regulatory Commission. Also, he planned to gut 75% of executive branch employees. He wanted to nominate Mike Lee and Ted Cruz to the Supreme Court. After the shooting in Maine, he talked about involuntarily committing people to mental institutions and using faith based methods to cure them. He bragged about being called "Brown Mussolini" He supports a 6 week abortion ban. He believed conspiracy theories like the Great replacement theory, Jan 6 was an "inside job", federal agents' involvement in 9/11, the foiled kidnapping of Gretchen Whitmer was entrapment and an inside job and the idea that political elites would replace Biden next year. His foreign policy ideas were crazy, too. He suggested arming every Taiwanese against China. He wanted to surrender Ukraine to Russia. He wanted to deport and take away citizenship from people born in the US to undocumented immigrants. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/26/vivek-ramaswamy-2024-presidential-campaign/It shows, frankly, a historically unprecedented disregard for the powers laid out in the Constitution, which are that the president is supposed to execute the law, not just create new ones willy-nilly,” presidential historian Lindsay Chervinsky said of the plans. “This is unprecedented in its disregard for that power sharing structure laid out in the Constitution.”No one would think it is. I certainly don't. I have no illusions about making any friends of certain kind of people here. And I'm not debating Ramaswamy here. So you can take your dig and move along. She didn’t take any “dig” at you. You’re so invested in being a victim that you perceive every comment that doesn’t agree with you as a “dig”. Then you do what you cry about others doing to you. Fucking hypocrite. You must be really miserable IRL to invest so much time here right-fighting. |
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Post by Gennifer on Feb 13, 2024 4:08:00 GMT
And I believe the reason so few conservatives post here anymore are two-fold: one, some of those conservatives have come over to the dark side in the past 20 years (you know who you are), and two, the remaining conservatives realize it’s damn near impossible to defend their support of that traitorous criminal monster Trump. Can confirm. -signed, someone who was a conservative 20 years ago. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2024 13:37:17 GMT
And I believe the reason so few conservatives post here anymore are two-fold: one, some of those conservatives have come over to the dark side in the past 20 years (you know who you are), and two, the remaining conservatives realize it’s damn near impossible to defend their support of that traitorous criminal monster Trump. Can confirm. -signed, someone who was a conservative 20 years ago. Yup. I was arguing in favor of GWB and against most abortion rights when I first joined this board. Good lord - 20 years ago.  No one with two brain cells to rub together still thinks the GOP is a reasonable voting option. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2024 13:44:50 GMT
This is an excellent point about Biden's ability to do his job. He meets with a lot of people across the political spectrum and foreign diplomats. No one has said he's not able to do his job, That's not a secret the White House could keep under wraps. www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/opinion/joe-biden-age-campaign.htmlI have argued since 2022 that Biden shouldn’t run again because he’s too old, but there’s never been much sign that his advanced age affects his performance in office. I’m not aware of any leaks from the White House suggesting that Biden is confused, exhausted or forgetful when setting priorities or making decisions. It’s not just Democratic partisans who find Biden more impressive up close than his frail, halting image in the media would suggest. As Politico reported of the ousted House speaker Kevin McCarthy, “On a particularly sensitive matter, McCarthy mocked Biden’s age and mental acuity in public, while privately telling allies that he found the president sharp and substantive in their conversations.” Agree. A similar viewpoint from a political blogger is here. www.slowboring.com/p/we-need-to-see-more-joe-biden?r=95c1q&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=postTrump's handpicked advisors and cabinet members - not Democrats - were questioning his fitness to serve within the first two years of his term. As usual, it seems that the most pointed criticisms of Biden from the right are really cover for what they know is true about Trump. The above article also talks at some length about Biden's views on Israel and abortion, both of which are hot-button topics for many. Interesting read. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 13, 2024 14:24:20 GMT
Really great point about the fitness of both candidates and different expectations for them (low bar for Trump) www.nytimes.com/2024/02/13/opinion/trump-campaign-biden-aging.htmlIt is unclear whether Donald Trump has forgotten the precise nature of NATO or whether he ever fully grasped it in the first place.
What is clear, however, is that Trump — who ostensibly spent four years as president of the United States — has little clue of what NATO is or what NATO does. And when he spoke on the subject at a rally in South Carolina over the weekend, what he said was less a cogent discussion of foreign policy than it was gibberish — the kind of outrageous nonsense that flows without interruption from an empty and unreflective mind.
It is not just that Trump is ignorant on this and other vital questions; it is that he is incoherent.
Consider his remarks at a recent gathering of the National Rifle Association in Harrisburg, Pa. “We have to win in November, or we’re not going to have Pennsylvania. They’ll change the name. They’re going to change the name of Pennsylvania,” Trump said.
Who, exactly, is going to change the name of Pennsylvania? And to what? I don’t know. I doubt Trump does either.
But this gets to one of the oddest things about this election cycle so far. There is no shortage of coverage of President Biden’s age, even if there’s no evidence that his age has been an obstacle to his ability to perform his duties. Indeed, it is plainly true that Biden has been an unusually successful president in areas, like legislative negotiations, that require skill and mental acuity.
Coverage of Biden’s age, in other words, has more to do with the vibes of an “elderly” president — he isn’t as outwardly vigorous and robust as we would like — than it does with any particular issue with his performance.
In contrast to the obsessive coverage of Biden’s age, there is comparatively little coverage of Trump’s obvious deficiencies in that department. If we are going to use public comments as the measure of mental fitness, then the former president is clearly at a disadvantage.
Unfortunately for Biden, Trump benefits from something akin to the soft bigotry of low expectations. Because no one expected him, in the 2016 election, to speak and behave like a normal candidate, Trump was held to a lower effective standard than his rivals in both parties. Because no one expected him, during his presidency, to be orderly and responsible, his endless scandals were framed as business as usual. And because no one now expects him to be a
orderly and responsible, his endless scandals were framed as business as usual. And because no one now expects him to be a responsible political figure with a coherent vision for the country, it’s as if no one blinks an eye when he rants and raves on the campaign trail.
It’s not that there aren’t legitimate reasons to be concerned about Biden’s age. He is already the oldest person to serve in the Oval Office. The issue, here, is one of proportion and consequence. Biden may be unable to do the job at some point in the future; Trump, it seems to me, already is.
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 13, 2024 16:35:25 GMT
Can confirm. -signed, someone who was a conservative 20 years ago. Yup. I was arguing in favor of GWB and against most abortion rights when I first joined this board. Good lord - 20 years ago. No one with two brain cells to rub together still thinks the GOP is a reasonable voting option. What?! Seriously, you were? I’m…uh…shocked to learn that, I guess. You’re more liberal than I am! Lol. I recall threads where we both participated and I’m left-of-centre on the issues and you were so far left you almost fell off the spectrum (not Marxist, mind, I’m not implying that). I thought you came into this world solid blue! |
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