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Post by aj2hall on Feb 18, 2024 0:06:47 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 18, 2024 0:15:22 GMT
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Post by Merge on Feb 18, 2024 1:23:17 GMT
Yes, someone should alert Ted Cruz that doors have nothing to do with it.
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casii
Drama Llama
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Post by casii on Feb 18, 2024 2:00:08 GMT
I don't disagree with him. What I don't see is certain media outlets, namely right wing, joining in with that action or social media allowing much posting of graphic gunshot images.
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 19, 2024 3:07:30 GMT
Sadly I have to agree with John Mellencamp...nothing else seems to work.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 19, 2024 3:35:33 GMT
The Washington Post and PBS both had in depth discussions about the controversial idea of showing graphic images. Thinking about Emmett Till, pictures can sometimes inspire change. There are alternatives to showing the bodies of the victims. The aftermath of the shootings, pictures of walls with holes, dried blood etc can also be really powerful. In my opinion, if graphic images are shown, it needs to be with the explicit consent of family members of the victims. PBS does not have a pay wall. If the Wa Po ones or NYT opinion are behind a paywall, PLMK and I can make them gift articles. www.pbs.org/newshour/show/report-showing-graphic-aftermath-of-mass-shootings-raises-questions-about-avoiding-imageswww.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/mass-shootings-graphic-images-public-records-debate/www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/opinion/guns-online-violence.htmlWashington Post in Nov 2023 did a 3 part series with really graphic pictures of the aftermath of some of the mass shootings and a video of the start of the shooting at the concert in Las Vegas. It also includes statements from victims. There's a really in depth explanation of why they chose to print the series. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/11/16/about-ar-15-graphic-content/In “Terror on repeat,” the latest story in our series examining the role of the AR-15 in American life, The Washington Post is taking the unusual step of publishing photographs and videos taken during the immediate aftermaths of some of the nation’s deadliest mass shootings.
Like other news organizations, we cover the effects of these tragedies when they occur. But because journalists generally do not have access to crime scenes and news organizations rarely if ever publish graphic content, most Americans have no way to understand the full scope of an AR-15’s destructive power or the extent of the trauma inflicted on victims, survivors and first responders when a shooter uses this weapon on people.
Drawing on the details of 11 mass killings from the past 11 years, this story is the result of a months-long effort to examine these episodes as a cumulative and relatively recent phenomenon that has upended communities across the country. The story is largely narrated by those who experienced the shootings firsthand. It reveals the commonalities shared by each tragedy — the sudden transition from normal life to terror, then the onset of chaos, destruction and death, and, finally, the gruesome aftermath of investigation and cleanup.
Our decision to publish this story came after careful and extensive deliberation among the reporters and editors who worked on it, as well as senior leaders in our newsroom. The goal was to balance two crucial objectives: to advance the public’s understanding of mass killers’ increasing use of this readily available weapon, which was originally designed for war, while being sensitive to victims’ families and communities directly affected by AR-15 shootings.
While many types of firearms, including other semiautomatic rifles, are used to commit violent crimes, the AR-15 has soared in popularity over the past two decades and is now the gun used more than any other in the country’s deadliest mass shootings.
In the end, we decided that there is public value in illuminating the profound and repeated devastation left by tragedies that are often covered as isolated news events but rarely considered as part of a broader pattern of violence. We filed more than 30 public records requests in jurisdictions that had investigated AR-15 shootings since 2012, the year that included massacres at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., and at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., seeking medical examiner records, crime scene photographs, police body-camera footage and other investigative files. Most of our requests were rejected, with officials citing ongoing investigations or local laws preventing the release of such information. Officials in some communities released documents in response to our requests, including Dayton, Ohio, Aurora and Las Vegas.
Our reporters also gathered court records and other information that had previously been made public, and scoured social media and websites for photos and videos that may have surfaced after AR-15 shootings and that we could authenticate. They interviewed survivors and first responders willing to share their experiences, searched for official transcripts of witness testimony and compiled relevant interviews conducted in the past by Post journalists — amassing firsthand accounts that are crucial to this story.
The Post separately obtained a collection of evidence from the 2022 shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Tex., compiled by state and federal police, some of which has not previously been made public. Those files include intensely graphic crime scene photos and videos taken moments after police entered the classrooms where 19 students and two teachers were killed.
Before viewing the graphic content, our reporters and editors participated in training by the Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma, learning best practices for viewing disturbing photos and discussing how publishing them could affect readers. At the same time, reporters and editors engaged in intensive discussions over the merits of publishing disturbing photographs and videos. We engaged in conversations with advocates, including victims’ families, some of whom see a potential value in publishing content to increase public awareness and others who see such publication as dehumanizing and traumatizing.
Our team grappled with our own standard practices when it comes to publishing graphic content. We seek to be thoughtful about how doing so affects victims of violence and those who care about them, but we also recognize that at times disturbing photos and videos can add to an accurate understanding of events. We also realize that news outlets are often more comfortable publishing pictures of violence overseas, where some of our readers are less likely to have a direct connection.
For this project, we established one ground rule at the start of our reporting: If we sought to publish any pictures of identifiable bodies, we would seek permission from the families of the victims. Some families indicated they would be open to granting permission, but ultimately we decided that the potential harm to victims’ families outweighed any potential journalistic value of showing recognizable bodies. We ultimately included nine photos from the Uvalde files showing scenes inside the classrooms taken shortly after bodies were removed. In addition, we show sealed body bags in the school hallway.
The only photograph in this story showing bodies is one taken immediately after the 2017 shooting at the Route 91 Harvest festival in Las Vegas. We felt the scene captured in this photo — a field strewn with the dead and wounded beneath the Las Vegas skyline — illustrates why witnesses often liken AR-15 shootings to American war zones. The perspective of the photograph, in which the victims are seen from a distance, makes it unlikely that individuals could be identified. As we prepared to publish this story in recent days, we sought to be sensitive to the people most directly affected — providing advance notice to many families of victims, their representatives and community leaders so they could choose to avoid the coverage if they preferred.
We realize this story will be disturbing to readers, but we believe that publishing these images gives the public a new vantage point into the pattern of AR-15 mass killings in the United States. We hope that readers will share their feedback in the comments section at the end of the story.Warning - these photos are really graphic and show a lot of blood. One picture shows body bags and another shows bodies. Some of the narrated stories are heartbreaking and really hard to read. Editor’s note: The photos, videos and personal accounts below are extremely disturbing and may be too upsetting for some people. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-force-mass-shootings/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 19, 2024 4:30:14 GMT
It may just be time for some to be disturbed by seeing some of the after photos. Maybe start with the actual scenes with the all the blood and gore and debris left behind and move onto to worst photos with family approval.
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Feb 20, 2024 22:55:37 GMT
4 people now in custody for this:
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Post by katlady on Feb 20, 2024 23:30:02 GMT
Some quotes from the Yahoo article.
“It appears Mays was in a "verbal argument" at the parade with someone he had no prior history with, Baker said at a news conference. "That argument very quickly escalated to Mays" pulling out his handgun, and "almost immediately, others pulled their firearms," including Miller, Baker said. “ “Mays told police "that he drew a gun first, in a crowd of people with kids, picked one of the individuals in the group [he was arguing with] at random, and started shooting, all because they said, 'I’m going to get you' and to him, that meant, 'I’m going to kill you,'" the probable cause affidavit said.
Mays said he fired two shots and said other people started shooting after he did, the court document said.”
It is like the Wild West again! People just lose all reasoning and just start shooting. Why? Because they have guns and they can. Ugh! Sickening!
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