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Post by onelasttime on Feb 18, 2024 18:40:48 GMT
This morning Amy Klobuchar was on Meet the Press and Kristian Walker was asking what was the President going to do about the high cost of groceries.
Here are some facts I think we can all agree on…
1. There will always be someone who makes your money than you do and someone who will make less money than you do.
2. For the vast majority of us when we look for a job we want to make as much money as we can.
3. When we start a business we want to make as much money as we can.
4. When we sell our homes we want to sell them for a much money as we can.
5. When we decide we want rental property, commercial or residential, we want to get as much rent as we can.
6. If we are a building developer we want to make as much money as we can.
7. There is an affordable housing problem that needs to be addressed but has to be done in such a way the value of existing homes are not reduced.
Each and every one of the things above contribute to the cost of goods and services.
How realistically can a Presidential Administration address the above?
How is a President responsible for increases in the cost of gas?
During worldwide high inflations how is a president responsible for the inflation in this country?
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 18, 2024 18:50:24 GMT
When CEOs stop pocketing billions. When people are paid an actual fair living wage. Not a surviving wage but an actual living wage where if something were to happen they have a small savings to cover it. Where they don't have to work 2 extra jobs to survive and make ends meet.
And just because you think your house should sell for $600-800k doesn't mean it should or will. Example: 1989 home for sale with crapoy front yard, no back yard, old appliances, no updates. Asking? $658,000. I chocked and gasped. New builds with updates run $640-750k in the same area.
When the average income doesn't afford a family a home, you know we are in trouble.
I have friends who make $200-240 a year and can not afford a home and they are dual income homes.
We are starting to feel the punch if grocery costs. Dh makes $148k. In my area that is now considered low middle class.
It's a crap shoot and there needs to be a huge shift.
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 18, 2024 18:52:12 GMT
Oh and tax the shit out of businesses and corporations that make over x amount.
Then invest that into community services to support all members.
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Post by Merge on Feb 18, 2024 19:10:07 GMT
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Post by littlemama on Feb 18, 2024 19:34:53 GMT
Tax the wealthy and tax corporations that make insane profits. Not the mom and pop shops, but General Motors, for example- $10 billion profit last year if I recall correctly?
If high costs are causing these price increases, why are large corporations making record profits?
So, that is what the government can do. Raise taxes on the wealthy and large corporations.
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Post by gryroagain on Feb 18, 2024 20:32:18 GMT
There is no other answer than fix the hot mess of Reagan omics finally and make corporations pay their fair share.
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Post by lisae on Feb 18, 2024 22:16:47 GMT
Presidents always get far more credit or blame for the economy than they deserve.
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Post by Merge on Feb 19, 2024 1:05:48 GMT
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anaterra
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Post by anaterra on Feb 19, 2024 21:49:59 GMT
But when the ass was president we had the lowest gas prices... groceries were affordable... also not to throw in ur dummy democratic face but the ass did give us stimulus money to help out the murican people... thats why we need him back in office...
At least thats the dumbshit i have to listen to at work.... ive given up being nice... its really hard to ignore...
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anaterra
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Post by anaterra on Feb 19, 2024 22:07:07 GMT
I guess it sounds flippant.... but i honestly dont know how to argue back with that...
Im not as fluent in politics as i should be
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Post by gsquaredmom on Feb 20, 2024 12:22:52 GMT
I guess it sounds flippant.... but i honestly dont know how to argue back with that... Im not as fluent in politics as i should be Gas was cheap because of Covid. The inflation/economy we have now is due to things put into place under Trump administration. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2024 12:28:34 GMT
I guess it sounds flippant.... but i honestly dont know how to argue back with that... Im not as fluent in politics as i should be Gas was cheap because of Covid. The inflation/economy we have now is due to things put into place under Trump administration. Curious what you think Trump did to make the economy strong now? |
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Post by anaterra on Feb 20, 2024 13:41:53 GMT
aj2hall I don't think that... I live in west texas in the middle of cotton farms... i work on a production line... its definitely God n guns around here... we have guardian schools in my area... meaning yes some staff members are armed.... so you know thoughts n prayers... I was pro Obama and pro Hilary and then pro biden... i am wayyy liberal especially for my area.... Those above are the kind of things I hear... i dont argue my points back because i get drowned out and overtalked by whoever i am trying to make see my points... Like with masks n vaccines... i live surrounded by people who would not do either... we never stopped working because we were considered essential... but less then half my coworkers got any vaccines... and most didn't wear masks... hell I still wear a mask if i feel a cold coming on... but trying to make these people understand... Im just saying there are tons of people in my area who do blame the economy on biden and want trump to fix it
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Post by anaterra on Feb 20, 2024 13:46:56 GMT
Theres also some people around here who think Texas should just succeed... i think thats dumb... i really dont the US will just willingly let this state make its own country.... i think it would be a reverse Ukraine/Russia situation
But some of the people i work with really and truly are in favor of starting like a civil war sorta thing to break Texas from the United States...
It is insanity...
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Post by papersilly on Feb 20, 2024 20:56:11 GMT
we live in a free market society and everything you cited above is true. on the other side of those higher prices are companies and entrepreneurs trying to make the most money that they can either for themselves or their stockholders. we encourage people to be all they can be, make the most of opportunities, and be the biggest success they can be and often times, that means pushing the market boundaries as high as the market can bear. people want high pay and that can translate to higher cost of goods made and sold. i don't think a president can force prices to go down enough in a free market.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 20, 2024 20:59:03 GMT
Presidents always get far more credit or blame for the economy than they deserve. that's because some people believe the buck stops with them. if they hold the highest office in the land, they are the first person to blame because they are perceived to hold the most power. just not true. their policies contribute to whatever good or bad that happens but we have the other branches of government to credit or blame too. |
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Post by lisae on Feb 21, 2024 0:05:45 GMT
Presidents always get far more credit or blame for the economy than they deserve. that's because some people believe the buck stops with them. if they hold the highest office in the land, they are the first person to blame because they are perceived to hold the most power. just not true. their policies contribute to whatever good or bad that happens but we have the other branches of government to credit or blame too. The economy is also the easiest way to connect with voters. A down economy can be a powerful weapon for the opponent of an incumbent President. The challenge this time is how mixed the economic data is. Unemployment is very low, the stock market is high, fixed investment rates are up so savers benefit. However, inflation has risen in recent years and housing costs are at an all time high. So it becomes a personal evaluation. Are you better off now or worse off than you were 4 years ago? If you look at it purely as 4 years ago, almost everyone was worse off then because we were starting into the pandemic. There is really no good way to measure the economy over the last 4 years with so many - dare I say - "unprecedented" events. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 21, 2024 0:21:44 GMT
that's because some people believe the buck stops with them. if they hold the highest office in the land, they are the first person to blame because they are perceived to hold the most power. just not true. their policies contribute to whatever good or bad that happens but we have the other branches of government to credit or blame too. The economy is also the easiest way to connect with voters. A down economy can be a powerful weapon for the opponent of an incumbent President. The challenge this time is how mixed the economic data is. Unemployment is very low, the stock market is high, fixed investment rates are up so savers benefit. However, inflation has risen in recent years and housing costs are at an all time high. So it becomes a personal evaluation. Are you better off now or worse off than you were 4 years ago? If you look at it purely as 4 years ago, almost everyone was worse off then because we were starting into the pandemic. There is really no good way to measure the economy over the last 4 years with so many - dare I say - "unprecedented" events. All of this but also, inflation is something voters see every day - at the grocery store, restaurants, gas pump etc. Wages in some households might have gone up or people were able to change jobs, work remotely etc - all positive things but less tangible and not something voters are presented with on a daily basis. |
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 21, 2024 2:47:33 GMT
Which brings me back to my original question. If you accept the facts below than how is the state of the economy, good or bad, solely because of the actions of the President when it’s clear that decisions we the people make also has an affect on the economy whether we realize it or not. So when a voter is unhappy with the economy and they blame the president and want to vote the guy out they are an uninformed voter. And that’s a problem with the current crop of Republicans who’s only thing they are interested in doing is cutting taxes for the rich and corporations, cut social programs, and there is a move by the Heritage Group to somehow ban “recreational” sex because in their warped little minds the ONLY reason people should have sex is to create babies. This last one is another one that falls into the category of you can’t make this stuff up. Here are some facts I think we can all agree on… 1. There will always be someone who makes your money than you do and someone who will make less money than you do. 2. For the vast majority of us when we look for a job we want to make as much money as we can. 3. When we start a business we want to make as much money as we can. 4. When we sell our homes we want to sell them for a much money as we can. 5. When we decide we want rental property, commercial or residential, we want to get as much rent as we can. 6. If we are a building developer we want to make as much money as we can. 7. There is an affordable housing problem that needs to be addressed but has to be done in such a way the value of existing homes are not reduced. Here is the bit about how the conservatives need to lead the way on restoring sex to its true purpose. x.com/anneapplebaum/status/1759860205213364697?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw |
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Post by gsquaredmom on Feb 22, 2024 22:59:54 GMT
Gas was cheap because of Covid. The inflation/economy we have now is due to things put into place under Trump administration. Curious what you think Trump did to make the economy strong now? Nope. Just the bad parts like high gas and food prices. Sorry did not make that more clear. Jobs creation and booming parts are current admin. |
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