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Post by morecowbell on Mar 2, 2024 21:15:08 GMT
This isn't a border security bill any more than the "Inflation Reduction Act" was an inflation reduction bill. Which Biden has since admitted it wasn't. And here he is again doing the same dishonest shit. Wanting a better job is not asylum. Do you have some kind of esp to hear their answers to the questions asked in their hearing? I know you think they want to freeload but they do want jobs AFTER saving their and their childrens lives from whatever situation they come from. Careful, you've used the caps lock. It might be time for a darkened room for you.🙄 |
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Post by Merge on Mar 2, 2024 22:46:44 GMT
Marco Rubio @marcorubio Feb 17 The invasion of America began after Biden decided to release everyone who crossed the border illegally The point on the law, made in this 33 second video says it all. Twitter This is simply a lie. Biden deported 142,000 people in fiscal 2023. ICE is not releasing “everyone.” |
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Post by Merge on Mar 2, 2024 22:57:40 GMT
You can claim it's been debunked all you want. However, all of us can read your posts and the message is clear. You posted at least 8 posts on this thread alone about crimes committed by migrants. And just to repeat, a lot of these problems with asylum could be solved if Republicans signed the border bill they insisted on, negotiated and then refuse to sign on Trump's orders. Because IT'S A BAD BILL. It doesn't do what it's supposed to do. It's a bill that is absolutely DESIGNED not to close the border, so that Republicans rejecting a bill that doesn't do what it's SUPPOSED TO DO, can be blamed for not accepting this bill. It allows 5000 illegal crossings a day BEFORE they'll do their job of securing the border. That changes nothing. Remember the Inflation Reduction Act, that Biden finally had to admit, that it wasn’t that at all? We're right back there again with that kind of bullshit You are being gaslit. There is no such thing as closing the border. There is too much trade between our countries and too many people who live in one side and work on the other. So let’s stop pretending that is some attainable goal. And the bill did make provision to temporarily end asylum claims when alien encounters reach a certain level. That means that every non-citizen who crosses the border illegally, or tries to cross at a port, will be denied entry until encounters fall back to a manageable level. They’ll be sent back. That is designed to keep our systems from being overwhelmed so entrants can be vetted, asylum claims can be processed more quickly, and people who shouldn’t be here removed in a more timely fashion. It was a bipartisan bill that Republicans in the senate helped to write and approve, and the only reason the House turned it down is because Trump didn’t want them to give Biden a win. In other words: it’s a bill that would have helped greatly, but Rs would rather campaign on the issue than fix it. There are several Rs on record saying this, so don’t try to deny it. Additionally, Rs don’t want to anger Putin by giving aide to Ukraine. Too many of them rely on Russia for back channel donations. www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/whats-in-the-senates-118-billion-border-and-ukraine-deal |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 2, 2024 23:01:16 GMT
Marco Rubio @marcorubio Feb 17 The invasion of America began after Biden decided to release everyone who crossed the border illegally The point on the law, made in this 33 second video says it all. Twitter This is simply a lie. Biden deported 142,000 people in fiscal 2023. ICE is not releasing “everyone.” It's not a literal "everyone", it's rhetorical. Damn close, though. Mayorkas tells Border Patrol agents that ‘above 85%’ of illegal immigrants released into US: sources Fox News |
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Post by Merge on Mar 2, 2024 23:05:40 GMT
This is simply a lie. Biden deported 142,000 people in fiscal 2023. ICE is not releasing “everyone.” It's not a literal "everyone", it's rhetorical. Damn close, though. Mayorkas tells Border Patrol agents that ‘above 85%’ of illegal immigrants released into US: sources Fox News Rubio said every one. It’s a lie, plain and simple. It’s also not an “invasion.” More lies. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 2, 2024 23:15:26 GMT
It's not a literal "everyone", it's rhetorical. Damn close, though. Mayorkas tells Border Patrol agents that ‘above 85%’ of illegal immigrants released into US: sources Fox News Rubio said every one. It’s a lie, plain and simple. It's rhetoric, plain and simple. Stop arguing over a word that is not the point of the statement. The point being, the law is exactly the same from the moment the border number was millions below what it currently is. The point being, if we were able to keep the illegal border crossings at such a low number BEFORE biden, with that law, it's not the law that that is the problem. It's Joe. He changed the enforcement. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 2, 2024 23:26:05 GMT
Rubio said every one. It’s a lie, plain and simple. It's rhetoric, plain and simple. Stop arguing over a word that is not the point of the statement. The point being, the law is exactly the same from the moment the border number was millions below what it currently is. The point being, if we were able to keep the illegal border crossings at such a low number BEFORE biden, with that law, it's not the law that that is the problem. It's Joe. He changed the enforcement. Nope. Covid brought the numbers down. Worsening conditions in Venezuela, Guatemala, and other places caused numbers to spike post-Covid. Insofar as there have been changes to policy, they’ve been designed to admit fewer people, not to leave the border “wide open” as Rs claim. Another lie. |
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Post by jayfab on Mar 2, 2024 23:33:54 GMT
Do you have some kind of esp to hear their answers to the questions asked in their hearing? I know you think they want to freeload but they do want jobs AFTER saving their and their childrens lives from whatever situation they come from. I've seen them interviewed. You don't need ESP to watch TV. I know I know you watch cult tv. There are many humans struggling to find a better life and cannot survive where they were. I've seen a mother interviewed where her one son was killed by drug dealers, mother is threatened if she doesn't give her teen daughter to them they will kill her infant. Another family from Guatemala where one child died of malnutrition because their farm land has been totally useless because of drought and there is no work as they lived up in some hills. What would you do to prevent your children from dying? Would you risk your life trying to get somewhere safe, traveling thousands of miles on foot? Most parents would fight to the death for their children. But I guess you're not "most". |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 2, 2024 23:35:24 GMT
It's rhetoric, plain and simple. Stop arguing over a word that is not the point of the statement. The point being, the law is exactly the same from the moment the border number was millions below what it currently is. The point being, if we were able to keep the illegal border crossings at such a low number BEFORE biden, with that law, it's not the law that that is the problem. It's Joe. He changed the enforcement. Nope. Covid brought the numbers down. No. The statistics don't support your claim. www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/ |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 2, 2024 23:43:22 GMT
I've seen them interviewed. You don't need ESP to watch TV. I know I know you watch cult tv. There are many humans struggling to find a better life and cannot survive where they were. I've seen a mother interviewed where her one son was killed by drug dealers, mother is threatened if she doesn't give her teen daughter to them they will kill her infant. Another family from Guatemala where one child died of malnutrition because their farm land has been totally useless because of drought and there is no work as they lived up in some hills. What would you do to prevent your children from dying? Would you risk your life trying to get somewhere safe, traveling thousands of miles on foot? Most parents would fight to the death for their children. But I guess you're not "most". Yes, there are asylum seekers. They are not all. Many are not. The message to come has been given, the message, that you will be allowed in. That has VASTLY increased the numbers. |
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Post by jayfab on Mar 2, 2024 23:43:32 GMT
This is simply a lie. Biden deported 142,000 people in fiscal 2023. ICE is not releasing “everyone.” It's not a literal "everyone", it's rhetorical. Damn close, though. Mayorkas tells Border Patrol agents that ‘above 85%’ of illegal immigrants released into US: sources Fox News Why do you keep calling asylum seekers as illegal immigrants when they are no such thing. All the white nationalist, racist trump lovers I know call them illegals too. Stopping at the border, being processed and released means they are not illegal. They are waiting for a hearing so the govt knows they have started the process, therefore not illegal. Just think of the tax revenue we'd have if we could get them work permits! That would help the employment crisis and get us some money. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 2, 2024 23:45:21 GMT
It's not a literal "everyone", it's rhetorical. Damn close, though. Mayorkas tells Border Patrol agents that ‘above 85%’ of illegal immigrants released into US: sources Fox News Why do you keep calling asylum seekers as illegal immigrants when they are no such thing. All the white nationalist, racist trump lovers I know call them illegals too. Stopping at the border, being processed and released means they are not illegal. They are waiting for a hearing so the govt knows they have started the process, therefore not illegal. Just think of the tax revenue we'd have if we could get them work permits! That would help the employment crisis and get us some money. Yes, there are asylum seekers. They are not all. Many are not. The message to come has been given, the message, that you will be allowed in. That has VASTLY increased the numbers. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 2, 2024 23:57:00 GMT
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Post by Merge on Mar 2, 2024 23:57:32 GMT
Why do you keep calling asylum seekers as illegal immigrants when they are no such thing. All the white nationalist, racist trump lovers I know call them illegals too. Stopping at the border, being processed and released means they are not illegal. They are waiting for a hearing so the govt knows they have started the process, therefore not illegal. Just think of the tax revenue we'd have if we could get them work permits! That would help the employment crisis and get us some money. Yes, there are asylum seekers. They are not all. Many are not. The message to come has been given, the message, that you will be allowed in. That has VASTLY increased the numbers. The only people saying on TV that the border is wide open are Republicans. Right up there you quoted Marco Rubio telling everyone (falsely) that everyone gets released as soon as they’re apprehended. If they were processed by DHS and have paperwork that shows they’re awaiting a hearing, they’re not here illegally. Period. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 3, 2024 0:01:28 GMT
I think it’s concerning that we don’t have more control over who is coming across the border. But I have a hard time taking people seriously who don’t seem to care at all about the crime committed by US citizens yet are using this situation to further dehumanize immigrants. Similar to when certain people are outraged over something Biden does yet will do anything to blow off the right doing worse.
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 3, 2024 0:11:12 GMT
Yes, there are asylum seekers. They are not all. Many are not. The message to come has been given, the message, that you will be allowed in. That has VASTLY increased the numbers. The only people saying on TV that the border is wide open are Republicans. Right up there you quoted Marco Rubio telling everyone (falsely) that everyone gets released as soon as they’re apprehended. If they were processed by DHS and have paperwork that shows they’re awaiting a hearing, they’re not here illegally. Period. Unlocking gates for illegal migrants, cutting holes in border walls, cutting down razor wire and biden threatening to sue Texas for enforcing border laws, dumping all that Trump had in place that kept the numbers down, pretty much makes the argument that "the border is NOT open", beyond laughable. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 3, 2024 0:17:28 GMT
The only people saying on TV that the border is wide open are Republicans. Right up there you quoted Marco Rubio telling everyone (falsely) that everyone gets released as soon as they’re apprehended. If they were processed by DHS and have paperwork that shows they’re awaiting a hearing, they’re not here illegally. Period. Unlocking gates for illegal migrants, cutting holes in border walls, cutting down razor wire and biden threatening to sue Texas for enforcing border laws, dumping all that Trump had in place that kept the numbers down, pretty much makes the argument that "the border is NOT open", beyond laughable. You’ve been watching too much Fox News. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 3, 2024 0:20:19 GMT
I think it’s concerning that we don’t have more control over who is coming across the border. That's what I'm saying. That's something you created completely in your head. That's already been debunked by my very own words. I haven't done that, but the squad here sure has blown off issues with biden as normal but those same exact things are "troublesome" in Trump. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 3, 2024 0:22:39 GMT
I think it’s concerning that we don’t have more control over who is coming across the border. That's what I'm saying. That's something you created completely in your head. That's already been debunked by my very own words. I haven't done that, but the squad here sure has blown off issues with biden as normal but those same exact things are "troublesome" in Trump. You justify Trump’s actions all. The. Time. |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2024 0:22:47 GMT
Have we ever known for sure who those that are coming across the southern border seeking asylum are?
As pointed out the terrorist attack of 9/11 was carried out by foreigners that entered this country legally.
This fear mongering by the right is carried out by those who don’t want those coming across southern border to be allowed in because to be blunt they see them as the wrong kind to be allowed in.
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 3, 2024 0:25:33 GMT
That's what I'm saying. That's something you created completely in your head. That's already been debunked by my very own words. I haven't done that, but the squad here sure has blown off issues with biden as normal but those same exact things are "troublesome" in Trump. You justify Trump’s actions all. The. Time. No, I disagree with outright lies and hoaxes. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 3, 2024 0:26:25 GMT
Unlocking gates for illegal migrants, cutting holes in border walls, cutting down razor wire and biden threatening to sue Texas for enforcing border laws, dumping all that Trump had in place that kept the numbers down, pretty much makes the argument that "the border is NOT open", beyond laughable. You’ve been watching too much Fox News. You've been watching too much MSNBC and CNN. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 3, 2024 0:28:43 GMT
Have we ever known for sure who those that are coming across the southern border seeking asylum are? As pointed out the terrorist attack of 9/11 was carried out by foreigners that entered this country legally. This fear mongering by the right is carried out by those who don’t want those coming across southern border to be allowed in because to be blunt they see them as the wrong kind to be allowed in. You're a race baiter. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 3, 2024 0:30:57 GMT
You’ve been watching too much Fox News. You've been watching too much MSNBC and CNN. I don’t watch any cable news. They’re much too concerned about keeping ratings up than reporting the news. |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2024 0:49:37 GMT
Have we ever known for sure who those that are coming across the southern border seeking asylum are? As pointed out the terrorist attack of 9/11 was carried out by foreigners that entered this country legally. This fear mongering by the right is carried out by those who don’t want those coming across southern border to be allowed in because to be blunt they see them as the wrong kind to be allowed in. You're a race baiter. No, just telling the truth. If you chose not to see it that’s your choice.🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 3, 2024 0:55:33 GMT
You justify Trump’s actions all. The. Time. No, I disagree with outright lies and hoaxes. No. You twist and turn to try to justify what Trump has done. In your mind it works but the rest of us can see right through it. You want to believe that Trump is fine, normal and not a danger. So you do what you need to do keep up that belief. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 3, 2024 0:58:01 GMT
Unlocking gates for illegal migrants, cutting holes in border walls, cutting down razor wire and biden threatening to sue Texas for enforcing border laws, dumping all that Trump had in place that kept the numbers down, pretty much makes the argument that "the border is NOT open", beyond laughable. You’ve been watching too much Fox News. Judge orders Biden administration to stop cutting holes in Texas’ border fence Washington Times Well, we've all seen that in the recent weeks. CBS News MSNBC all of that, pretty much makes the argument that "the border is NOT open", beyond laughable. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 3, 2024 1:02:24 GMT
No, just telling the truth. If you chose not to see it that’s your choice.🤷🏻♀️ No. If the only reason you can see for people wanting to prevent rapes, robberies and murders from happening because of unfettered access at the border is because people are racist, you are not truth telling, you are flat out race baiting. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 3, 2024 1:06:55 GMT
No, I disagree with outright lies and hoaxes. No. You twist and turn to try to justify what Trump has done. In your mind it works but the rest of us can see right through it. You want to believe that Trump is fine, normal and not a danger. So you do what you need to do keep up that belief. No, I disagree with outright lies and hoaxes. But, IF, as you say, I "justify Trump’s actions all. The. Time." Surely, you can link to an example. |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2024 1:24:35 GMT
No, just telling the truth. If you chose not to see it that’s your choice.🤷🏻♀️ No. If the only reason you can see for people wanting to prevent rapes, robberies and murders from happening because of unfettered access at the border is because people are racist, you are not truth telling, you are flat out race baiting. Keep telling yourself that and if it makes you feel better. But if it talks like racist and acts like a racist then it is a racist and that perfectly describes the current crop of Republicans on the Federal Level and on the State Level. |
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