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Post by morecowbell on Mar 8, 2024 2:37:46 GMT
No. If it's down under Republicans it's because they don't have these kinds of policies in running their cities: policies that dictate the dropping of charges and not prosecuting crime When you don’t bother assigning police to make these arrests because you don’t have enough police to do so, BECAUSE you've demoralized and defunded them. When people know that in certain areas, so don't even bother to file a report. When people like Alvin Bragg is reducing 60% of crimes to misdemeanors or no crimes at all of course it LOOKS like crime is down. They DO see evidence though. Just for instance, when so many stores in those cities have to lock up their PRODUCTS, because the POLICIES do NOT lock up the criminals involved in all the theft. When even that becomes unsustainable in some areas and so many stores have to leave those areas. Areas with those policies. That is evidence. Police getting beat up in NYC, people getting pushed onto the subway tracks, people getting shot. Being beaten unconscious with a metal pipe, women being sucker punched into unconsciousness. That is all evidence. I think it was CBS, that went to San Francisco to do a story about the crime destroying the area and the cameraman's car gets broken into. That is evidence. When HHS advised hundreds of employees in San Francisco to work remotely for the foreseeable future due to public safety concerns outside the Nancy Pelosi Federal Building. That is evidence. No, I dont remember that specifically. Link? Welp, thanks for proving my point. Carry on. What point was that? |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 8, 2024 2:51:04 GMT
Of course crime STATS are down when your policies dictate the dropping of charges and not prosecuting crime. Alternative facts.When you don’t bother assigning police to make these arrests because you don’t have enough police to do so, BECAUSE you've demoralized and defunded them. Alternative facts.When people know that in certain areas and don't even bother to make a claim. Alternative facts.When people like Alvin Bragg is reducing 60% of crimes to misdemeanors or no crimes at all of course it LOOKS like crime is down. Alternative facts.It's a numbers scam. Don't fall for it. Not a scam. FACTS. Wrong. "Gov. GAVIN NEWSOM said Wednesday in no uncertain terms that he thinks shoplifters should be prosecuted under existing California laws, AS HE CALLED OUT LOCAL OFFICIALS WHOM HE SAID HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT TO DO SO.But Newsom said both the recent spate of mass thefts AND LACK OF PROSECUTIONS are "unacceptable." CBS For instance, Seattle police's sexual assault and child abuse unit staff has been so depleted that it stopped assigning to detectives this year new cases with adult victims, according to an internal memo sent to interim police Chief Adrian Diaz Seattle Times I recently saw a video explaining why some people in an area weren't even filing police reports for shoplifting. I don't remember where I saw it and have no idea where to look now. Politifact"Violent crime increased in the city in 2023, along with the number of injured officers while Alvin Bragg downgraded 60% of serious crimes that came to his office." Voz |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 8, 2024 3:12:34 GMT
So if crime is down in a democratic run city or state, it’s because the government is lying and underreporting. But if it’s down in a red city or state it is because of their policies. Got it. Whatever fits your narrative.
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 8, 2024 4:04:42 GMT
So if crime is down in a democratic run city or state, it’s because the government is lying and underreporting. But if it’s down in a red city or state it is because of their policies. Got it. Whatever fits your narrative. I said they're using stats that are created by not prosecuting, but that people are seeing the crime with their own eyes. I'm sorry that makes you so mad. It should, but I'm still sorry for your distress. And yes, it's true that in red areas they don’t employ those kinds of policies. You said "lying" I didn't. Whatever fits YOUR narrative. |
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Post by ntsf on Mar 8, 2024 14:46:55 GMT
if you come into san francisco via the airport, rent a car, then are an idiot enough to leave stuff in your car.. don't be shocked when the stuff is stolen. there are signs and warnings all over the airport, the rental agencies and in tourist areas in town warning about leaving stuff in your car...
I live here and I never leave stuff in my car and there are few break ins where I am. and most of the criminals doing this come from outside SF.. cause there is just such an easy target. lately, the police have been able to arrest many involved in these crimes and the situation is getting better.
but if you leave stuff in your car in sf, you are a fool.
I also do not feel unsafe in my town.
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 8, 2024 18:23:49 GMT
if you come into san francisco via the airport, rent a car, then are an idiot enough to leave stuff in your car.. don't be shocked when the stuff is stolen. there are signs and warnings all over the airport, the rental agencies and in tourist areas in town warning about leaving stuff in your car... I live here and I never leave stuff in my car and there are few break ins where I am. and most of the criminals doing this come from outside SF.. cause there is just such an easy target. lately, the police have been able to arrest many involved in these crimes and the situation is getting better. but if you leave stuff in your car in sf, you are a fool. I also do not feel unsafe in my town. And yet some here are claiming that the people concerned about crime are not SEEING any EVIDENCE of the crime that they're concerned about. 🤔 That it's just a right-wing/Fox News conspiracy theory. 🙄 |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 8, 2024 23:20:38 GMT
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 9, 2024 1:33:31 GMT
if you come into san francisco via the airport, rent a car, then are an idiot enough to leave stuff in your car.. don't be shocked when the stuff is stolen. there are signs and warnings all over the airport, the rental agencies and in tourist areas in town warning about leaving stuff in your car... I live here and I never leave stuff in my car and there are few break ins where I am. and most of the criminals doing this come from outside SF.. cause there is just such an easy target. lately, the police have been able to arrest many involved in these crimes and the situation is getting better. but if you leave stuff in your car in sf, you are a fool. I also do not feel unsafe in my town. It’s been like this for decades. I remember going to a popular beach back in the 80’s and some tourists were upset that someone broke into their car but admitted that they left their wallet and camera on the dashboard 🤦♀️. I felt bad for them but at the same time I couldn’t imagine doing that. This was in an expensive tourist area in Southern California in the 80’s long before any of these liberal laws took place. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 9, 2024 2:10:44 GMT
if you come into san francisco via the airport, rent a car, then are an idiot enough to leave stuff in your car.. don't be shocked when the stuff is stolen. there are signs and warnings all over the airport, the rental agencies and in tourist areas in town warning about leaving stuff in your car... I live here and I never leave stuff in my car and there are few break ins where I am. and most of the criminals doing this come from outside SF.. cause there is just such an easy target. lately, the police have been able to arrest many involved in these crimes and the situation is getting better. but if you leave stuff in your car in sf, you are a fool. I also do not feel unsafe in my town. It’s been like this for decades. I remember going to a popular beach back in the 80’s and some tourists were upset that someone broke into their car but admitted that they left their wallet and camera on the dashboard 🤦♀️. I felt bad for them but at the same time I couldn’t imagine doing that. This was in an expensive tourist area in Southern California in the 80’s long before any of these liberal laws took place. Literally every city in the country is this way and has been for decades, regardless of who is in charge. Don’t leave anything valuable in your car. But for that matter, the only time we’ve had a car broken into was when we lived in a small town in western Nebraska in the 90s. That was back in the days when people would steal your car stereo and CDs. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 9, 2024 3:50:21 GMT
It’s been like this for decades. I remember going to a popular beach back in the 80’s and some tourists were upset that someone broke into their car but admitted that they left their wallet and camera on the dashboard 🤦♀️. I felt bad for them but at the same time I couldn’t imagine doing that. This was in an expensive tourist area in Southern California in the 80’s long before any of these liberal laws took place. Literally every city in the country is this way and has been for decades, regardless of who is in charge. Don’t leave anything valuable in your car. But for that matter, the only time we’ve had a car broken into was when we lived in a small town in western Nebraska in the 90s. That was back in the days when people would steal your car stereo and CDs. Gov. Kathy Hochul is putting 750 national guard into the subway to combat the crime that there "is no evidence of". |
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Post by Merge on Mar 9, 2024 8:01:42 GMT
Literally every city in the country is this way and has been for decades, regardless of who is in charge. Don’t leave anything valuable in your car. But for that matter, the only time we’ve had a car broken into was when we lived in a small town in western Nebraska in the 90s. That was back in the days when people would steal your car stereo and CDs. Gov. Kathy Hochul is putting 750 national guard into the subway to combat the crime that there "is no evidence of". We were talking about car break ins. Regardless, this seems to disprove your premise that Democratic-run cities/states are ignoring crime. Or it proves that right wing media is getting Democrats to do certain things to appease them, since it appears that crime on the subway is down again after a brief spike in January and the increased presence wasn’t necessarily called for. Apparently the mayor of NY had asked for additional funding to put more NYPD officers in the subway, but Hochul said no and sent the NG instead. It’s funny - Republicans tend to attribute crime spikes to lax enforcement, without considering any of the other factors that contribute to crime, like poverty and lack of opportunity. And they routinely vote against measures to combat either of the latter things. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 9, 2024 14:28:03 GMT
Gov. Kathy Hochul is putting 750 national guard into the subway to combat the crime that there "is no evidence of". We were talking about car break ins. You and I were talking about your claim that the people concerned about crime are not SEEING any EVIDENCE of the crime that they're concerned about, and me showing you all the evidence that they ARE in fact seeing. No, it doesn't. Not in the tiniest little bit, and I already backed that up with OTHER facts. And the fact that this is not about prosecuting. This is about deterrence. In addition to the 750 national guard, she also put 250 POLICE OFFICERS in the subway. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 9, 2024 14:59:03 GMT
We were talking about car break ins. You and I were talking about your claim that the people concerned about crime are not SEEING any EVIDENCE of the crime that they're concerned about, and me showing you all the evidence that they ARE in fact seeing. No, it doesn't. Not in the tiniest little bit, and I already backed that up with OTHER facts. And the fact that this is not about prosecuting. This is about deterrence. In addition to the 750 national guard, she also put 250 POLICE OFFICERS in the subway. OK. I’m on vacation, so you can argue with yourself. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 9, 2024 19:49:40 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 9, 2024 19:54:35 GMT
Excellent points
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 9, 2024 22:40:41 GMT
Rasmussen Reports @rasmussen_Poll 82% say important now to secure our borders 62% want more border wall construction 60% say border situation is a crisis 55% see border situation as an invasion 54% say fix America before sending $ to Ukraine All of these responses are from Democrats Twitter |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 9, 2024 23:42:40 GMT
Admittedly, President Biden needs to win over Democrats. Hopefully, there will be a cease fire in Gaza soon and that will help with his approval ratings. As far as the border, yes Democrats want secure borders. However, Democrats recognize that Republicans are the ones blocking the border bill and Republicans will be more likely to suffer in November. You can post all of the negative polls that you want on the border, President Biden and Democrats. Most of us are not voting based on polls. Most of us are realistic and recognize the challenges that President Biden and Democrats face in winning over voters. Most of us also recognize the clear and present danger that Trump presents. 32 million million people watched President Biden's state of the union. Without a doubt, President Biden looked better than the Republicans with MTG creating a scene and Katie Greene who lied about a sexual assault. Regarding Rasmussen Reports, they have been dropped from 538 and are not a neutral source and not entirely reliable. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/08/rasmussen-538-polling/The poll aggregation and evaluation site 538, part of ABC News, dropped the right-wing polling firm Rasmussen Reports from inclusion in its polling averages and forecasts.
For years, Rasmussen’s results have been more favorable for Republican candidates and issues. During the Trump administration, though, the site’s public presence became more overtly partisan, with tracking polls sponsored by conservative authors and causes and a social media presence that embraced false claims that spread widely on the right. At times, Rasmussen’s polls actively promoted those debunked claims, including ones centered on voter fraud.
Rasmussen, already viewed with skepticism by 538, failed to meet the standards formalized in November. Their results will no longer be included in the site’s aggregation of research findings it considers reliable. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 10, 2024 1:44:32 GMT
Admittedly, President Biden needs to win over Democrats. If he hasn't done it in the over 3 years he's been president, I don't think he's gonna get there. His numbers have only gone down since being elected. I guess the New York Times has too, then. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 10, 2024 3:13:54 GMT
Admittedly, President Biden needs to win over Democrats. If he hasn't done it in the over 3 years he's been president, I don't think he's gonna get there. His numbers have only gone down since being elected. I guess the New York Times has too, then. Well, there was supposed to be a red wave in 2022 that never materialized, so I'm not too worried if Biden's poll numbers are down 6 months before the election. Democrats might not be happy, but chances are they will turn out and vote in November for President Biden. Not sure what your point is. Rasmussen was dropped from 538's polling averages and forecasts because they are not a reliable source. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 10, 2024 3:38:35 GMT
If he hasn't done it in the over 3 years he's been president, I don't think he's gonna get there. His numbers have only gone down since being elected. I guess the New York Times has too, then. Not sure what your point is. Rasmussen was dropped from 538's polling averages and forecasts because they are not a reliable source. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 10, 2024 3:50:05 GMT
Not sure what your point is. Rasmussen was dropped from 538's polling averages and forecasts because they are not a reliable source. What does that have to do with the reliability of Rasmussen? |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 10, 2024 3:50:47 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 10, 2024 14:26:26 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 10, 2024 16:09:36 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 10, 2024 16:28:19 GMT
Republicans have a choice. They can fight about the border or they can fix it.
White House spokesman Andrew Bates responds to Katie Britt's State of the Union rebuttal:
"Instead of telling more debunked lies to justify opposing the toughest bipartisan border legislation in modern history, Senator Britt should stop choosing human smugglers and fentanyl traffickers over our national security and the Border Patrol Union. Like President Biden said in his State of the Union, 'We have a simple choice: We can fight about fixing the border or we can fix it.'"
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 10, 2024 16:33:51 GMT
Trump actively promotes Orban and it is a real tell. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 10, 2024 20:44:52 GMT
It's never really been about crime, it's about migrants with brown skin. They're just claiming "migrant crime" because they think it's more palatable.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 10, 2024 20:53:00 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 11, 2024 21:22:53 GMT
This is pretty much true for all of the Republican leadership. When Trump was in charge and even as recently as 6 months ago, Congress needed to pass immigration laws. Now, magically, President Biden supposedly has all of the power he needs.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 12, 2024 2:27:55 GMT
www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/opinion/katie-britt-trump-immigration.htmlOPINION PAUL KRUGMAN Sex Trafficking, De Facto Lies and Immigration March 11, 2024, 7:00 p.m. ET Donald Trump stares at a fence and razor wire near the U.S.-Mexico border. On Thursday, Katie Britt, the junior senator from Alabama, delivered the Republican response to the State of the Union address. Her overwrought performance has been widely mocked; that’s OK for late-night TV, but I’m not going to join in that chorus.
What I want to do instead is focus on the centerpiece of Britt’s remarks, a deeply misleading story about sex trafficking that she used to attack President Biden. Her use of the story — which turns out to have involved events in Mexico way back when George W. Bush was president — wasn’t technically a lie, since she didn’t explicitly say that it happened in the United States on Biden’s watch. She did, however, say: “We wouldn’t be OK with this happening in a third-world country. This is the United States of America, and it’s past time we start acting like it. President Biden’s border crisis is a disgrace.”
That’s a clear attempt to mislead — the moral equivalent of a lie — and the careful wording actually suggests that she knew she was being misleading, and wanted an escape hatch if someone called her bluff.
To really understand the significance of her de facto lie, however, we need to put it in political context.
Over the past few months, there’s been a palpable shift in Republican rhetoric away from attacks on the Biden economy and toward dire warnings about “migrant crime.”
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This shift has in part been forced by the fact that the Biden economy is actually doing very well these days, with inflation receding while unemployment remains near a 50-year low. In political terms, the narrative of a bad economy seems to be fading.
If I were a Republican strategist, I’d be especially worried about the changing tone of news coverage. The San Francisco Fed maintains a daily index of “news sentiment.” In the summer of 2023, although the economy was arguably already performing pretty well, this index was roughly as low as it was in the depths of the Great Recession. Since then, however, it has shot up to levels roughly comparable to those that prevailed on the eve of the Covid-19 pandemic.
Republicans, then, need a new issue. And there really does seem to have been a surge in illegal attempts to cross our southern border. So there are strategic reasons for Donald Trump and his party to hype the dangers of migrant crime — and for Trump and his allies to maximize the fear factor by blocking bipartisan legislation that would have helped secure the border.
My guess, however, is that Trump’s rants about migrant crime aren’t purely strategic. He has a history of being obsessed with alleged crimes by dark-skinned people, going all the way back to his demand, after the arrests of the Central Park Five, who were eventually exonerated, to reinstate the death penalty. And his claims about the dangers posed by migrants are so extreme that they may well be self-defeating.
The other day, for example, he declared, “I will stop the killing, I will stop the bloodshed, I will end the agony of our people, the plunder of our cities, the sacking of our towns, the violation of our citizens and the conquest of our country.” Which towns and cities, exactly, have been sacked and plundered? Did Attila the Hun swing by for a visit while I wasn’t looking?
Yes, figuring out how best to secure our borders is a real issue, but the data just doesn’t show that there’s a crisis of migrant crime. Indeed, homicides in America surged in 2020 — a year in which Trump was still president and apprehensions at the southern border were way down. By contrast, in the past couple of years, the homicide rate has come down even as border activity has increased.
So what do you do when the numbers don’t support your dystopian fantasies? You zero in on the most horrific individual stories.
Without question, the killing of Laken Riley, for which an undocumented immigrant has been charged, is devastating. But in a country as big as ours, it’s almost always possible to find examples of unspeakable tragedies involving individual members of whatever group you name. There are probably more than 10 million undocumented immigrants in the United States. Based on the available evidence, however, immigrants are less likely than native-born Americans to commit crimes.
In any case, the migrant crime wave — the “plunder of our cities” Trump seems to endlessly decry — is a myth. But it may be a myth Trump believes in, and the possibility that in this instance he may actually be sincere is alarming.
Why? Because if Trump really believes migrants are an existential threat, if he wins in November, as president he might go through with his plan to engage in sweeping raids and mass deportations, very likely catching up many people who simply look as if they might be undocumented immigrants.
So don’t wave away Britt’s remarks as a mere example of bad acting. They may be the harbinger of a reign of terror that will wreak havoc in America.
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