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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 27, 2024 18:50:49 GMT
In Michigan there is a movement where people are urging Democratic voters to vote "uncommitted" instead of for Biden in today's primary, in order to send a message that they are against Biden's support for Israel at this time. I have seen some comments online where people say they will still vote for Biden in the general election, but I have also seen some where people say they won't. I can understand wanting to send a message about how they feel about continued support for Israel, but my worry is that this will carry over to the general election. What are your thoughts? Is this a good strategy for progressive groups (that is what I have seen them called) to get behind? Or will it come back to bite everyone when all of these people either don't vote or vote for Trump in the fall?
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Post by katlady on Feb 27, 2024 19:10:04 GMT
Not voting at all can come back to bite them because, while they might not vote for Trump, there will still be a lot of people who will vote for Trump.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 27, 2024 19:12:31 GMT
Not voting at all can come back to bite them because, while they might not vote for Trump, there will still be a lot of people who will vote for Trump. In a primary it won’t affect Trump. It is a protest, I understand it, I wouldn’t do it in November but I understand it right now. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 27, 2024 19:29:39 GMT
How one votes in a primary doesn't necessarily affect or direct how someone votes in the general.
I doubt many of those protesting would rush to vote for TFG.
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Post by sideways on Feb 27, 2024 20:01:04 GMT
I’m about to go vote right now. Voting uncommitted today, will vote for Biden in November.
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Post by Merge on Feb 27, 2024 20:25:12 GMT
Whatever - as long as they vote Biden in November. We need to deliver Trump an even more crushing loss than he had in 2020.
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Post by pilcas on Feb 27, 2024 20:31:38 GMT
I think it’s a risky thing for whoever is promoting this. Hopefully it will not come back to bite all of us later on. Get people worked up enough now and they may not vote in November. Are the promoters going to change their tune in Nov and then expect all the non committed voters to become committed? Personally I think everyone should be fighting to get Biden elected starting Now or we might very well end up regretting it.
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Post by sideways on Feb 27, 2024 20:44:48 GMT
I think it’s a risky thing for whoever is promoting this. Hopefully it will not come back to bite all of us later on. Get people worked up enough now and they may not vote in November. Are the promoters going to change their tune in Nov and then expect all the non committed voters to become committed? Personally I think everyone should be fighting to get Biden elected starting Now or we might very well end up regretting it. This isn’t going to persuade anyone to not vote for Biden in November. Those people people have already decided. |
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Post by sabrinae on Feb 27, 2024 20:47:03 GMT
I’m more worried about those voters not voting in November. Michigan has a large population of refugees and their families who see themselves in the Gaza Palestinian population. I can understand their concerns about US/Israeli/Palestinian relations and policies. However, it will rebound badly for them if they sit out the election and Trump wins or Republicans retain/gain any more control. I think they are better served by working within the Democratic Party.
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Post by pilcas on Feb 27, 2024 20:52:26 GMT
I think it’s a risky thing for whoever is promoting this. Hopefully it will not come back to bite all of us later on. Get people worked up enough now and they may not vote in November. Are the promoters going to change their tune in Nov and then expect all the non committed voters to become committed? Personally I think everyone should be fighting to get Biden elected starting Now or we might very well end up regretting it. This isn’t going to persuade anyone to not vote for Biden in November. Those people people have already decided. It’s not persuading them to vote either. |
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Post by sideways on Feb 27, 2024 20:54:38 GMT
This isn’t going to persuade anyone to not vote for Biden in November. Those people people have already decided. It’s not persuading them to vote either. This is just about the primary. It’s not about the general election. |
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Post by sideways on Feb 27, 2024 21:23:35 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 28, 2024 2:31:17 GMT
I understand why they're voting that way and don't necessarily disagree with them for voting uncommitted. Michigan is an open primary though and it might be more effective to cast their vote against Trump, for Nikki Haley. Haley is never going to be the nominee, but the longer she stays in the race, the better it will be for President Biden. Regardless of how people vote today, I think the important part is that they are voting.
It looks like there's real progress towards a cease fire in Gaza. I'm hoping for a lot of reasons that happens soon.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 28, 2024 5:12:52 GMT
Still posting numbers
Biden .............390,069
Uncommitted....64,027
Trump........535,637
Haley........210,134
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Post by sunshine on Feb 28, 2024 13:15:30 GMT
It’s a bit confusing-vote yesterday “uncommitted” to “genocide joe” but the plan is to support and vote for “genocide joe” in November.
Weird.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 28, 2024 13:24:56 GMT
It’s a bit confusing-vote yesterday “uncommitted” to “genocide joe” but the plan is to support and vote for “genocide joe” in November. Weird. I think it’s weirder (more weird?) to go from not wanting to vote for Biden due to his support for Israel to go to voting for Trump (or a third party or non vote, which essentially is a vote for Trump). |
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Post by peppermintpatty on Feb 28, 2024 13:34:41 GMT
While I understand their feelings (I have the same), it is important for people to understand that if you don't vote for Biden in the general election, it can matter. It won't send the right message. The other thing is Biden wants to end this but Israel is so far to the right that until they wipe out all of Palestine, they won't stop. We could withhold aid to Israel but that will just allow Russia to come in and take over and that would be even worse. What I want to know is what are these people hoping will happen? Biden doesn't support this, he has said this over and over.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 28, 2024 15:25:36 GMT
I want to thank every Michigander who made their voice heard today. Exercising the right to vote and participating in our democracy is what makes America great.
Four years ago, it was Michigan’s diverse coalition that came together to reject Donald Trump’s MAGA extremism and sent me and Kamala to the White House. Because of Michiganders, we’ve been able to work hand in hand with Governor Whitmer and the incredible Democratic leaders in Michigan’s congressional delegation to deliver enormous progress. I was proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with UAW workers last year as they led the fight for the wages and benefits they deserve. We took on Big Pharma and are lowering the cost of prescription drugs for nearly 2 million Michigan seniors. We’re investing in our world-class auto industry and are finally making big corporations pay their fair share after Trump rigged the economy for special interests and gave handouts to his wealthy friends. And we’re fixing our crumbling bridges and roads while creating thousands of good-paying, union jobs right here in Michigan after Trump shipped them overseas.
For all of this progress, there is so much left to do. Donald Trump is threatening to drag us even further into the past as he pursues revenge and retribution. He proudly brags that he is the reason Roe v. Wade was overturned in this country. Because of Donald Trump, women’s lives are at risk, doctors face the prospect of criminal penalties for doing their jobs, and families desperately trying to have children are having access to fertility treatments ripped away. Now, Donald Trump wants to ban abortion nationwide—including here in Michigan.
You’ve heard me say many times it’s never a good bet to bet against the United States of America. It’s never a good bet to bet against Michiganders either. This fight for our freedoms, for working families, and for Democracy is going to take all of us coming together. I know that we will.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 28, 2024 17:44:50 GMT
While I understand their feelings (I have the same), it is important for people to understand that if you don't vote for Biden in the general election, it can matter. It won't send the right message. The other thing is Biden wants to end this but Israel is so far to the right that until they wipe out all of Palestine, they won't stop. We could withhold aid to Israel but that will just allow Russia to come in and take over and that would be even worse. What I want to know is what are these people hoping will happen? Biden doesn't support this, he has said this over and over. I agree. I think that Biden should be more forceful in his dealing with Netanyahu (and the world should have been stronger over the years as well). But I also understand that Biden is in a tough position due to our history of support for Israel. When giving Ukraine weapons we put stipulations on them and Ukraine has abided by them. Israel is allowed to do what they want and if they are challenged it is called anti-Semitic, so then people and countries avoid bringing it up. Israel is basically giving the US the middle finger and taking us down with them with their actions. Not to mention all that they have done to Palestinians. I also understand that completely cutting Israel off has its own ramifications, which is challenging. ETA that Bernie Sanders has some good ideas on how Biden can handle this situation. If you look at his YouTube page he has his speeches posted. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Feb 28, 2024 18:16:34 GMT
Not voting at all can come back to bite them because, while they might not vote for Trump, there will still be a lot of people who will vote for Trump. In a primary it won’t affect Trump. It is a protest, I understand it, I wouldn’t do it in November but I understand it right now. My feelings exactly. If they want to do a protest vote, do it in the primary where the statement is heard but can’t do long term damage. But when November rolls around, I hope they understand how high the stakes are and how damaging a protest vote is. |
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