breetheflea
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Post by breetheflea on Feb 28, 2024 21:52:19 GMT
DD (17) is scheduled to get braces put on in May. She has a narrow mouth, needs several teeth pulled, jaw issues, it's going to be a complicated process-- the orthodontist says 30-months including jaw surgery about 15 months in.
Our insurance does not cover jaw surgery.
We were referred to Shriner's hospital and have a consultation about a week before the braces go on in May. That is when they will discuss the surgery and how much it is going to cost.
DH, who did not go to any of the orthodontic appointments to discuss "the plan," is now freaking me out that this is going to be a $50,000+ surgery, we won't qualify for any help paying for it, we won't be able to send DD to college in 15 months if we spend money on her teeth, that we need to know plan B and plan C before May 14th...
We are not poor but we're by no means rich. We have four kids, one in college (living at home to save money), drive 20-year-old cars, and bought a foreclosure house. No, month long vacations in Switzerland or anything.
I have no idea how this Shriner's hospital determines how much someone can pay. Anyone dealt with them before?
This whole thing is kind of freaking me out, and DH is not helping.
Any words of wisdom (not scary! I have nightmares about dentist appointments) about jaw surgery, paying for jaw surgery, braces, dentists, etc?
Thanks!
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Post by buddysmom on Feb 28, 2024 21:59:02 GMT
I would get other opinions before doing something like this. My DD has a small mouth, they had to put in an "expander" that allowed all the teeth to fit. This was about 20 years ago. I have no idea if yours is a similar situation or more complex.
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breetheflea
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Post by breetheflea on Feb 29, 2024 2:58:02 GMT
I would get other opinions before doing something like this. My DD has a small mouth, they had to put in an "expander" that allowed all the teeth to fit. This was about 20 years ago. I have no idea if yours is a similar situation or more complex. I'm not sure how to get other opinions... I mean our insurance plan is an HMO, so if we tried to go somewhere else, our insurance wouldn't cover it, and the orthodontist we're seeing is the only one at the dental clinic... Maybe I can schedule some kind of group phone chat with DH and the orthodontist, and she can answer some of his 1000s of questions...
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 29, 2024 3:03:48 GMT
I would get other opinions before doing something like this. My DD has a small mouth, they had to put in an "expander" that allowed all the teeth to fit. This was about 20 years ago. I have no idea if yours is a similar situation or more complex. I'm not sure how to get other opinions... I mean our insurance plan is an HMO, so if we tried to go somewhere else, our insurance wouldn't cover it, and the orthodontist we're seeing is the only one at the dental clinic... Maybe I can schedule some kind of group phone chat with DH and the orthodontist, and she can answer some of his 1000s of questions... Call your dental plan and ask for local references. Also ask on any city/community groups. Dd has a high, narrow palate with severe crowding. She had several teeth removed. Then got a palate expander. It was an auto one we didn't have to crank. Then she got these spacers put in. Then braces with specific set up. I know someone who did the jaw surgery and regrets it. It made things worse. Because of my injuries from the DUI, I was offered the surgery but said no after the pros and cons list. The time with mouth wires again and the possibility that it might not work made me say no. I had my mouth wired shut for 4 weeks after my first post accident surgery and that sucked.
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 29, 2024 3:05:23 GMT
And if your dental plan doesn't cover the surgery, see if your health plan does.
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Post by busy on Feb 29, 2024 5:42:23 GMT
Shriners does not bill patients. They will bill insurance if you have it, but that's it. DH has clubfoot and has been a Shriners patient since birth (he's now 16). At no point would we have qualified for financial need, have never been asked for any financial information from Shriners, and we have never been billed a penny by Shriners.
We do make a sizable (for us) annual donation in our son's name. My parents and my in-laws are also annual donors in his name.
We're very grateful for their expertise - the care he's received over the years has been incredible.
ETA: It's possible that something has changed I'm unaware of - DS hasn't had a surgery since preschool - but billing patients would be a huge change and surprising to me. He had an extensive imaging and movement study check-up last year and they billed insurance around $8k; we were billed nothing. I don't know if there are any variations from location to location or if orthodontic treatment is any different (tbh, I didn't even know they did that).
Good luck!
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Post by busy on Feb 29, 2024 5:55:35 GMT
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breetheflea
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Post by breetheflea on Feb 29, 2024 6:05:35 GMT
Ok that's great news if it's true! I tried looking it up on Google earlier and didn't get very far since it's not a birth defect and because we do have insurance, it just doesn't cover jaw issues.
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Post by pilcas on Feb 29, 2024 11:33:23 GMT
I had a colleague whose son was told he needed the jaw surgery and ended up not having it. From pictures I see in Facebook his teeth look just fine. Perhaps it might be worthwhile to pay up front for a consultation with another orthodontist just to make sure the surgery is really needed or if there are other options.
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 29, 2024 12:04:28 GMT
Did the current orthodontist do 3D jaw/mouth scans/x-rays? It is where you sit and the x-rays machine moves 360° around you.
Do they want to do the jaw surgery to expand her lower jaw out?
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Post by karenlou on Feb 29, 2024 12:29:47 GMT
I got braces at age 28, and had maxillofacial surgetry at age 30.....This was paid for by my health insurance NOT dental insurance. My surgery ended up being is two stages so a year after the first surgery, I had the second. Due to my age I was not a candidate for the palate expansion device the other pea referred to.
I never paid anything out of pocket for either of my surgeries done buy my oral surgeon .
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peppermintpatty
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Post by peppermintpatty on Feb 29, 2024 12:58:58 GMT
Oral surgery is not covered under dental insurance. That is definitely a medical insurance claim. I don't think you could find any dental insurance company that would cover that. If wisdom teeth are covered under medical, jaw surgery would definitely be covered under medical.
Based on the info given here, I would pay out of pocket for a second opinion. It may save you thousands of dollars.
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Post by bethany102399 on Feb 29, 2024 16:19:55 GMT
having gone through this with DS, I agree on several points. Get a second opinion (ask the insurance company for other providers) is the orthodontist at the same clinic as the dentist? Our dentist has been great at giving us ortho recommendations.
DS's surgery to both remove teeth and have a chain put in to pull one of his teeth into place was covered under health insurance. They actually billed us up front for our share then had to cut a check once insurance paid in more than they thought it would. I have an issue with the office staff, but the surgeon is top notch which is why we've used them more than once.
He too had to have the palette expander and had extreme crowding. They pulled some teeth (under anistesia) and has had all kinds of things in his mouth to get his teeth into position.
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 29, 2024 17:00:57 GMT
Oral surgery is not covered under dental insurance. That is definitely a medical insurance claim. I don't think you could find any dental insurance company that would cover that. If wisdom teeth are covered under medical, jaw surgery would definitely be covered under medical. Based on the info given here, I would pay out of pocket for a second opinion. It may save you thousands of dollars. Since I was a kid all of oral surgery has been covered under insurance. Under my dad's plan. And now under dh's plan. That covers oral maxiofacial surgery of any type. Wisdom teeth. Extractions. Etc.
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 29, 2024 17:04:16 GMT
We have Delta Dental. Don't remember what dad's plan had.
Ours also covers braces with $10,000. Anything over, you cover. So majority of dd's brace services were covered. I think we paid about $6,000 on a monthly plan. But she had 3D x-rays, palate expanders, tooth speciation expanders, specific braces, then invisaline. Then retainer that was like an invisaline.
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Post by iowgirl on Feb 29, 2024 17:23:45 GMT
we won't qualify for any help paying for it, we won't be able to send DD to college in 15 months if we spend money on her teeth, that we need to know plan B and plan C before May 14th... Please get a second opinion! I have ran into so many issues with dental work. Some want to do so much and so drastic - I would really be concerned about the surgery aspect of it. I have found that the larger dental practice or "big box" type practices are THE WORST! IMO, they are padding their wallets with unnecessary procedures. You will know best what to do for your own child, but get that second opinion even if it costs you something. It could save SO much down the line. My DD has a small mouth, they had to put in an "expander" that allowed all the teeth to fit. Same for my daughter. No teeth pulled, just the expander. She really had a fun gap there for a bit. LOL But the expander worked great and she was about the same age as your daughter. This was less than 10 years ago. DH had braces, so he went in with DD on consultation, and my DH is NOT afraid to ask questions and if something is really necessary and why it's necessary and if there are other options that work as well, but less invasive. But the best part was (and this was a little pre-planned) my DD did the 'wheel and deal' on the price. She asked if she (we) pre-paid the cost of the braces, etc. - it there was a price break. And she got one! LOL We don't have dental insurance - and I am pretty sure they don't bill as much as they do if they can get money out of an insurance company. We are far from destitute - to ask for discounts on dental. It was never an issue to pay it outright. But - it never hurts to ask for a price break! If the jaw surgery is going to be a necessity - it should be covered under your health insurance. All my kids wisdom teeth removals, which were oral surgery, were covered on our BC/BS. Well...sorta. Our deductible is so high, we paid pretty paid it.
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Post by quinlove on Feb 29, 2024 17:36:21 GMT
I know of a teen who had a very complicated chest surgery at a Shriners hospital recently. It was successful and everyone was pleased. I’m pretty sure there was no charge. I could check if you want me to.
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