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Post by onelasttime on Feb 28, 2024 22:25:24 GMT
They had better find against trump as no one should be above the law. Not even a President for certain things. Steve Maxie…. ”BREAKING: Supreme Court agrees to hear Donald Trump’s total immunity claim and expedites the proceedings. Oral argument is scheduled for April 22.” ”Why they took two weeks to decide to take this is unclear. They took only two *days* to decide to take his disqualification case under section 3 the 14th amendment.” “There was clearly a lot of discussion and attempts to persuade each other behind-the-scenes. But in the end, it takes four justices to hear a case so at least four did not want to just affirm the DC circuit and let the January 6 trial get going.” “This further delays Jack Smith’s January 6 trial, but if SCOTUS rules by the end of May, the trial could still begin over the summer and be concluded before the election” “Technical but important point: The court agreed to treat the stay application as a cert petition. To grant a stay, five votes would have been needed. To grant the cert petition, only four were.” “Which means it’s possible that Jack Smith’s request to treat it as a cert petition did him in. I say only “possible” because the court could have treated the application as a crrt petition even without being asked to. They do that sometimes.” x.com/stevenmazie/status/1762961656626246112?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 28, 2024 22:34:55 GMT
ABC News… ”BREAKING: The Supreme Court has agreed to hear Donald Trump's case that he is immune from prosecution in his federal election subversion case. abcn.ws/3IfuzNR” x.com/abc/status/1762966233433964801?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwBecause of what this potentially means to this country instead putting this with the thread of trump court cases this should and is getting its own thread.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 28, 2024 22:38:17 GMT
Michael Beschloss…
“Did any Supreme Court Justice recuse himself from today's ruling?
“Remember this troubling day in history.”
”Justice delayed can be justice denied--especially in 2024.”
A couple of responses that bring up a couple of interesting points….
“Supreme Court likely will come to the right conclusion but I can't help but think this is purposefully delayed so that they can be on the right side of the history decision-wise but still lets their man Donald Trump go untouched in the short term.”
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“Justice Delayed is COMPLICITY with the stall tactics of Donald Trump.
America deserves SO MUCH BETTER than the Roberts SIX who are clearly TRAITORS to the rule of law in America”
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”My anger knows no bounds. Well, here’s the plan: WE MUST VOTE IN SUCH GIGANTIC NUMBERS, MORE THAN IN 2020– UP AND DOWN THE BALLOT, THAT THE ENTIRE MAGA (TRUMPISM/BANNONISM) PROJECT WILL BE OVER”
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”One of the worst decisions in Supreme Court history.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 28, 2024 22:42:25 GMT
Michael Beschloss… “Did any Supreme Court Justice recuse himself from today's ruling? “Remember this troubling day in history.” A respinse “Supreme Court likely will come to the right conclusion but I can't help but think this is purposefully delayed so that they can be on the right side of the history decision-wise but still lets their man Donald Trump go untouched in the short term.” Totally agree with Michael Beschloss... Delay by SCOTUS! May do right, but too late. Smith estimated THREE months. When will the court release their decision? June 30th?
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Post by jill8909 on Feb 28, 2024 22:44:44 GMT
This effectively puts off the trial until after the election. once again fat donnie wins
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 28, 2024 23:00:17 GMT
Democracy Docket…. “US Supreme Court Will Hear Trump’s Immunity Appeal in April, Delaying Election Subversion Trial” By Rachel Selzer February 28, 2024 WASHINGTON, D.C. — In an unsigned order issued today, the U.S. Supreme Court scheduled oral argument for April 2024 to resolve the question of whether former President Donald Trump is absolutely immune from criminal prosecution for his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. The high court’s move will further delay the criminal trial in Special Counsel Jack Smith’s federal election subversion case against Trump, which was originally set to begin on March 4, 2024. The Supreme Court’s decision to take up the question of presidential immunity follows a request from the former president seeking to pause a February decision from the D.C. Circuit affirming that he is not absolutely immune from criminal prosecution for “official acts” he undertook while serving as president. In that ruling, a unanimous three-judge D.C. Circuit panel upheld district court Judge Tanya Chutkan’s December 2023 decision denying Trump’s motion to dismiss his federal election subversion indictment on presidential immunity grounds. The Supreme Court’s order noted that the D.C. Circuit’s ruling will remain frozen pending its decision on the presidential immunity question, but specifically stated that the order should not be construed as “expressing any view on the merits” of the appeal. As a result of the order, the case cannot resume at the district court level and will not proceed to trial until the Supreme Court issues an opinion following its oral argument, which is scheduled for the week of April 22, 2024. Legal experts have already expressed concerns about how the Court’s action could decrease the likelihood of a criminal trial occurring prior to the 2024 election. In a post on X, the Brennan Center for Justice Vice President Wendy Weiser wrote: “This is an outrage. In the case of accountability for #January6th, justice delayed is justice denied. Voters deserve a…full trial before it’s too late.” In a brief submitted to the Court earlier this month, Smith urged the justices to deny Trump’s request to pause the D.C. Circuit’s ruling, given the “unique national importance” of the case. Smith emphasized that the “public interest in a prompt trial is at its zenith where, as here, a former President is charged with conspiring to subvert the electoral process so that he could remain in office.” Meanwhile, trial is set to begin on March 25 in the New York criminal case against Trump alleging that he disguised payments to adult film star Stormy Daniels prior to the 2016 presidential election. The New York case is the first of the four criminal prosecutions of the former president to head to a trial. In addition to New York and Washington D.C. cases, two other criminal prosecutions against Trump are ongoing in Florida and Fulton County, Georgia. The Florida case concerns Trump’s mishandling of classified documents while the Fulton County, Georgia case centers on Trump and his allies’ election interference in the 2020 presidential election. Across these four criminal cases, Trump faces a total of 91 felony counts.“ x.com/democracydocket/status/1762975083633471820?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by uksue on Feb 28, 2024 23:01:59 GMT
It's neve about his lack of guilt, they are denying justice by effectively cheating - story of his life!
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 28, 2024 23:02:23 GMT
Nancy Pelosi….
”The Supreme Court is placing itself on trial with its decision to hear the former president’s total immunity claim. It remains to be seen whether the justices will uphold the fundamental American value that no one is above the law – not even a former president.”
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 28, 2024 23:05:29 GMT
Kyle Cheney… ”🚨 BREAKING: Supreme Court has *granted* cert and will consider presidential immunity. Argument is set for week of April 22, an expedited timeline.” “WHAT THIS MEANS: *If* the court rules relatively quickly, and *if* it rules against Trump, it could tee up his trial for August or September. But the trial is unlikely to come much earlier than that, given Chutkan's promise to ensure he has another few months of prep.” x.com/kyledcheney/status/1762962505704321355?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 28, 2024 23:13:29 GMT
From MSNBC.. ” Why a Supreme Court stay in the Jan. 6 case is so dangerous”Deciding to review Trump’s spurious claim to immunity could result in much more delay than the justices may realize. By Matthew Seligman, partner at Stris & Maher LLP and a fellow at the Constitutional Law Center at Stanford Law Center, Norman Eisen, former impeachment counsel to the House Judiciary Committee and Fred Wertheimer, founder and president of Democracy 21Former President Donald Trump asked the Supreme Court on Monday to further delay his criminal prosecution in Washington, D.C., while it considers whether to review his spurious claim of absolute immunity. Special counsel Jack Smith replied Wednesday, well ahead of his deadline of next week, arguing that there was no reason to grant a stay — but that if the court does accept the case, it should move quickly. With Trump quickly filing a reply Thursday evening, we may know soon what the justices decide to do with his appeal. Whether they agree to review his appeal or not, they should take every step they can to resolve the meritless appeal as soon as possible. The question of whether the former president and leading Republican candidate in 2024 criminally interfered with the peaceful transition of power is surpassingly important. That is precisely why the justices must promptly deny his petition to review the lower court’s decision. Ensuring that Trump’s federal election subversion case goes to trial this year would let the American people know whether he is a convicted criminal before deciding whether to return him to office. As Smith details in his filing, as a matter of law there is no overriding need for the Supreme Court to intervene. The D.C. Circuit’s tightly reasoned opinion definitively refuted Trump’s meritless claim of absolute criminal immunity. Its unanimous, argeted holding requires no clarification or modification: The circuit court made it clear that its ruling applies only to former presidents, thus heading off hypothetical concerns about a federal criminal prosecution of a sitting president. Furthermore, every judge who has ever ruled on the issue has rejected Trump’s claim of absolute immunity. Under the court’s own rules, which treat conflicting lower court rulings as the most compelling reason for intervention, that alone is sufficient reason for the Supreme Court to deny review. And after last week’s oral arguments in the Colorado ballot case, the Supreme Court need not worry about appearing unfair by refusing to even consider the immunity appeal. There are, on the other hand, grave reasons for the court to avoid unnecessary delay in the Washington criminal case. Determining whether Trump is guilty of attempted election subversion is critical to the health of our democracy. As one of us (Seligman) argues in a new book co-authored with Harvard Law professor Lawrence Lessig, our legal framework for electing a president remains dangerously vulnerable to manipulation. The election deniers will act with even greater impunity in exploiting every loophole if Trump wrongly escapes criminal consequences for his last attempt. That context makes it all the more critical that the Washington criminal case proceed to trial before the election. Voters deserve to know whether one of the candidates they are considering is a convicted felon. (Yes, the criminal case in New York, regarding alleged hush money paid during the 2016 election, is important — but it is no substitute for accountability for the more extensive alleged wrongdoing of 2020.) In the worst-case scenario, delay would even allow a re-elected Trump to order the Justice Department to drop the charges against him before a jury can make its ruling. The Supreme Court’s granting review could result in much more delay than the justices may realize. If they put the case on their usual leisurely schedule, it might not be decided until the end of their term — as late as July. Add further months of pretrial proceedings and the case could easily drag throughout the peak general election season — or even beyond. For that reason, if they grant review, the justices must establish a process to ensure a prompt decision and subsequently a timely trial. The justices know how to do that if circumstances require it, as they certainly do here. The decision in Bush v. Gore, for example, was issued four days after the case was filed. The fundamental reason Trump’s claim of presidential immunity is fatally flawed is that in America, we are all equal before the law. There is no realistic chance that the Supreme Court will ultimately abandon that principle in this case. The D.C. Circuit’s per curiam opinion demonstrates how inconceivable it would be for such impunity to be granted. Trump will lose, and the only question is when. Staying true to that fundamental guarantee of the rule of law demands that the court not delay a potential trial. The court should not risk delaying the Washington trial until after Election Day. The best course would be to refuse to review the D.C. Circuit’s ruling. But if the justices are not able to resist taking the case, they must proceed on an expedited schedule to ensure that the election interference trial reaches its conclusion in time for voters to make a fully informed decision. x.com/normeisen/status/1762975183973843359?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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pinklady
Drama Llama
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Post by pinklady on Feb 28, 2024 23:23:28 GMT
Joe Biden better start doing some unbelievably illegal shit NOW! That is the ONLY way to stop this republican madness. If democrats do it, they will find that there's no immunity. Otherwise trump is getting off free forever.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 28, 2024 23:33:18 GMT
Kyle Griffin….
”As the Supreme Court weighs Trump's immunity for his role on Jan. 6, a reminder: Ginni Thomas helped lead the 'Stop the Steal' campaign to overturn the 2020 election and attended Trump's Jan. 6 rally.
Clarence Thomas has not recused himself from the case.”
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Post by lisae on Feb 29, 2024 0:39:21 GMT
I don't see how this is expedited at all. It's been argued before other courts before, the attorneys should be able to prepare quickly. I know the court denied Smith's request to hear this earlier in the year. I feel like they are dragging their feet so their ruling doesn't have to come out until they go on their annual break and it is too late to get a trial in or at least completed before election day.
I know everything that comes before the court is important but there are some things that are very time sensitive and this is one of them.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 29, 2024 0:49:10 GMT
They will drop their decision June 30th and take their 3 month vacation traveling in their patrons dollars while our democracy crashes!!
TFG will line them up for their punishment with all the others he wants gone..
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 29, 2024 3:01:29 GMT
I have a sinking feeling that Trump is going to skate his way through all of these charges like he has always done. Between this and his discrediting Fani Willis I don't have a good feeling.
That being said, why is nobody talking about how his fines in NY make him extremely vulnerable to influences from countries like Russia, China or Saudi Arabia?
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 29, 2024 6:39:02 GMT
Rachel certainly isn’t mincing any words…. All in with Chris Hayes… “This is B.S.—you were doing this as a dilatory tactic to help your political friend," says @maddow on SCOTUS. "And for you to say that this is something that the Court needs to decide because it's something that's unclear in the law is just flagrant, flagrant bullpucky." x.com/allinwithchris/status/1763014265156346205?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 29, 2024 6:42:53 GMT
Liz Cheney….
”Delaying the January 6 trial suppresses critical evidence that Americans deserve to hear. Donald Trump attempted to overturn an election and seize power. Our justice system must be able to bring him to trial before the next election. SCOTUS should decide this case promptly.”
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 29, 2024 7:10:03 GMT
This is starting to look like the actions of some corrupt third world country….
Southpaw….
”DOJ sought expedited review of the immunity issue last year from the Court. The Court refused, punting the issue to the DC Circuit, which took months. Then Trump appealed from that ruling on the same grounds. The MAGA majority then burned weeks before granting. Months more delay.”
”The handling of these petitions from first to last has seen the Supreme Court’s majority acting in alignment with Trump’s desire to delay his trial until after the election and possibly thereby escape justice.”
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dawnnikol
Prolific Pea
'A life without books is a life not lived.' Jay Kristoff
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Post by dawnnikol on Feb 29, 2024 11:34:54 GMT
I have a sinking feeling that Trump is going to skate his way through all of these charges like he has always done. Between this and his discrediting Fani Willis I don't have a good feeling. That being said, why is nobody talking about how his fines in NY make him extremely vulnerable to influences from countries like Russia, China or Saudi Arabia?I think because that's his damn life story. The same reason people say it about Mike Johnson, but he's still the "Speaker". There used to be lines and morals to be upheld, but 2016 showed you can erase those lines and just keep sinking lower and lower and there are still people who will cheer you on for justifying their own hate.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 29, 2024 16:18:08 GMT
Peter Baker…
”Days between district court ruling against Nixon and Supreme Court arguments hearing appeal: 49
Days between district court ruling against Trump and Supreme Court arguments hearing appeal: 143”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 29, 2024 16:33:46 GMT
Peter Baker… ”Days between district court ruling against Nixon and Supreme Court arguments hearing appeal: 49 Days between district court ruling against Trump and Supreme Court arguments hearing appeal: 143” Don't forget Gore v Bush hanging chads!! *** Wikipedia The oral argument in Bush v. Gore occurred on December 11.[19] Theodore Olson, a Washington, D.C., lawyer, delivered Bush's oral argument. New York lawyer David Boies argued for Gore. During the brief period when the U.S. Supreme Court was deliberating on Bush v. Gore, the Florida Supreme Court provided clarifications of its November 21 decision in Palm Beach County Canvassing Board v. Harris (Harris I),[20] which the U.S. Supreme Court had requested on December 4 following arguments in the case of Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing Board.[21] Because of the extraordinary nature and argued urgency of the case, the U.S. Supreme Court issued its opinion in Bush v. Gore on December 12, a day after hearing oral argument.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 29, 2024 18:26:07 GMT
even though this is clearly a stall tactic on trump's part, i think it will be good to get a final decision from the highest court in the land. that way he can't whine that he never got a full hearing for his case. the lower court made clear arguments for why a president doesn't have full immunity and i can't imagine the SC not upholding it. they will forever destroy their credibility if they don't. it will be seen as a decision for him and not for the good of the nation.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 29, 2024 19:11:02 GMT
even though this is clearly a stall tactic on trump's part, i think it will be good to get a final decision from the highest court in the land. that way he can't whine that he never got a full hearing for his case. the lower court made clear arguments for why a president doesn't have full immunity and i can't imagine the SC not upholding it. they will forever destroy their credibility if they don't. it will be seen as a decision for him and not for the good of the nation. That's what I am afraid of, I do NOT trust this SC at all. And there is nothing the US can do if they allow him to get full immunity and he wins in Nov.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 29, 2024 19:18:17 GMT
If he gets immunity so does Biden! TFG claims he is fighting for all presidents, although none ever needed or asked for it in all these years past since the begining of US!!
*** Even MTG doesn't understand that!
If the Supreme Court allows for presidential immunity to protect Trump, all the cases "are gone," Greene added.
Raw Story asked if she'd be as supportive if Biden could claim immunity too.
"Yeah, which you would think that Democrats would support presidential immunity as well," said Greene.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 1, 2024 18:43:33 GMT
It’s dismaying and yes, chances are very slim we get a trial before the election. Don’t forget, though, that it was the DOJ (Garland) that dragged its feet. Smith wasn’t even hired until Nov 2022. If the DOJ had immediately began investigations into Trump’s complicity in J6 we could have had this issue resolved and perhaps the trial over last year.
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 1, 2024 23:11:21 GMT
i can't imagine the SC not upholding it. they will forever destroy their credibility if they don't. it will be seen as a decision for him and not for the good of the nation. I'm not convinced that this SCOTUS cares about that. They've been pretty high-handed, with the Dobbs decision being just one example. I don't think they care about our respect for them as an institution, or realize how important that is to the maintenance of our country's structure. On the other side, if TFG were (heaven forbid) to take the White House, their services would no longer be needed, as the rule of law would then be moot.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 4, 2024 18:09:35 GMT
i can't imagine the SC not upholding it. they will forever destroy their credibility if they don't. it will be seen as a decision for him and not for the good of the nation. I'm not convinced that this SCOTUS cares about that. They've been pretty high-handed, with the Dobbs decision being just one example. I don't think they care about our respect for them as an institution, or realize how important that is to the maintenance of our country's structure. On the other side, if TFG were (heaven forbid) to take the White House, their services would no longer be needed, as the rule of law would then be moot. that's right. if the Court becomes moot, then so will Congress. it will be the dictatorship he's always dreamed of.
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