Do I dare bring this up?

I don’t enjoy political threads here.

All the conservative members of the board have left except morecowbell and I don’t see the point of echo chambers.

Peas engage with her because she’s the only one left to engage with.

I wouldn't say all of the conservative members have left. I would say a number of them got tired of the pile ons in the political threads and have chosen for their own mental health to engage in other threads on the boards.

I try to avoid responding because I know it's pointless, but sometimes she posts something that is so obviously false, twisted, exaggerated etc. And sometimes I'm just having a day.

Maybe conservative members of the board have left or remain silent.  However, in recent years, the Republican Party has shifted so far to the right, they've alienated people and people are leaving the party, too.  So, in general, there are fewer people that identify with the Republicans.  I think women in particular are leaving the Republicans after Roe was struck down.

I don't generally, but around page 14 or 15 I just can't resist winding her up a bit. She always bites. As for how the threads get to be 14 pages in the first place, it's because people feed the troll. After about page 7 or 8 there is no more dialog; it's just lots of long quotes and name-calling. There's another member who is so optimistic that she keeps the argument going, as if she truly believes she has a shot at convincing morecowbell that her beloved Trump is a criminal lunatic.

I have a Facebook friend who is and has always been a Trump supported. So imagine my shock when I see she has a birthday fundraiser for some Abortion rights organization. I truly do not understand people.

I get you, feel free to ramble on.  😄. I ramble often.  I do think it is overwhelmingly/more left leaning here and I am guessing more right leaning people prefer to discuss their politics elsewhere. There certainly are some passionate posters here.  I usually don’t get a reply so I am either on ignore or don’t post engaging comments 😆.  I also don’t always get back to the threads in a timely manor so that also may be part of it  But it really doesn’t matter I just keep posting away. 😉

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morecowbell why are you quoting without commenting?

This is an outright lie. 

I refuse no such thing and have engaged in plenty of ON TOPIC dialogue.

All anyone would have to do to debunk your lie is to read my posting history. Do you not understand how easy it is to fact check your lie and see through your bullshit?

Aside from that obviously easy fact check, your claim that I "absolutely refuse to engage in actual dialogue" and the claim that you have me blocked and don't even read some portion of my posts are conflicting statements. So, even your own claims rat you out.


Clearly you do believe in lying, as shown above.

I think you can pretty much forget about polls—none have been very accurate recently.

The ones conducted by calling landlines are skewed by the ages of those who have them. I don’t know anyone under 50 who has one. I’m 62, and if it saved me more than a dollar on my cable/internet package, I’d drop it. But for a dollar, I keep it around to help me find my phone when I’ve misplaced it LOL.

Cell phone polls aren’t a true reflection either, as many don’t answer calls they don’t recognize, and they are skewed by the younger ages of those who use them regularly. My 86 yo mom has a cell phone, but unless she’s leaving the house, it’s on her nightstand and turned off. Most of her friends are the same way.


Internet polls are largely “self-selecting” since you have to be interested enough in the topic to click on the survey link. I’m too suspicious to do that even if I am interested because I fear they are after information that will be used to target me with ads.

Even “man on the street” polls have their drawbacks. Even though you might be anonymous in as far as you don’t personally know the pollster, you might be hesitant to express a view that is seen as unpopular. I live on a blue island in a heavily red state. If I were asked about supporting Biden by some stranger, I would probably keep walking because I would be suspicious of the pollster’s agenda.

My point is, I don’t think you can assume the amount of support either candidate has based on polls.

Fundraising data is probably more accurate, and not just in terms of the total raised. How many individual donors are giving? What are their income levels? Large numbers of individual donors would indicate grass roots support.

There has been a massive shift in the Republican party during my 30+ years of voting. I have never really felt either party totally aligned with  my views and hopped parties in my youth depending on who I wanted to vote for in the primary before being in a state where I can register as an independent and choose which party's primary I want to vote in - full disclosure this year I knew Biden had no competitions so chose to vote in republican primary to vote against Trump period. 

20+ years ago there was still a real small government aspect to the Republican party that now is just completely gone - to me small government always meant small government, and no issues are more important to keep the government out of than social issues.  You think there are unintended consequences to government interference in business matters but they're omnipotent in women's health- fuck you. And I won't even open the door on the bullshit of fiscal conservatism - republicans just want to spend like drunken sailors on other things. Real fiscal conservatism has been dead at least 10 years. The party is utterly broken and anyone halfway sane jumped shipped 01/06/2021.

I agree that the Republican party is broken. I would likely have a severe knee jerk reaction of instant dislike to anyone who said they were a Republican right now. Just because to me the Republicans are so aligned with Trump, but also so against helping people in general. They seem to want to tear down any protections women and LGBTQ+ people have. They want to take away anything protecting or assisting anyone who is not a wealthy CIS white man. It is disgusting.

I do know people who identify as conservative who don't feel the need to push the social beliefs on people. They may not believe in same sex marriage, but they do believe in the marriage equality law. They would never get an abortion, but they would not make that decision for anyone else. They do believe in small government and do have antiquated views on social help reform but we can have productive and valuable discussions. You can't have those discussions with Trump cult members. That is all I was trying to say.