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Post by kmage on Mar 2, 2024 5:09:39 GMT
A fun Friday question (just kidding) When a person employed by company does a video showcasing product and says, "We are doing such and such tonight" and is clearly doing a tutorial, is it copying to craft along doing the same card if you have all the stuff? (or even if you don't but then it will look a bit different) Honeybee Stamps does a live every week and the description says "Join Kelley for crafty chat and creating a card with inky backgrounds" I crafted along with the video (it was really fun) and my card ended up looking very similar. I am torn about posting it on IG, of course I would say "inspired by Kelley of Honey Bee Stamps" or something like that, but I don't like to feel like I copied unless it was a class. When it is a tutorial, is it a class? Am I overthinking this? I just want to make sure I am being respectful. I do feel like if the crafter is doing a live demo on youtube they have got to know that people might be crafting along with them. This is the video www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap3B5pZB_tI&t=419sThanks for sharing your thoughts!
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Post by joblackford on Mar 2, 2024 5:27:13 GMT
I would probably share and say “I made this card along with Kelley during her live class” or “I followed along with Kelley’s tutorial” or something like that. Honey Bee usually call their livestreams classes in some of their communications and seem to assume people will be making the same card along with them at home. If your card is mostly the same I’d phrase it that way. If it’s using different products or has some major differences I’d say it was “inspired by” or that you were crafting along with her. No harm in sharing on IG as long as you’re not pretending you came up with the design all on your own I’m sure they’d love you to promote their products and Fbk group! And you should definitely show us too.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 2, 2024 6:30:17 GMT
Yes, I would call that copying. I recently followed a tutorial by Karen Burniston. The small tweaks I made were so small that I considered it a blatant copy of Karen’s card and not my own design. I gave it to my sister, and I told her up front that I had copied Karen’s design.
I enjoy designing my cards myself, so it is rare that I copy a card, but when I do, I make sure to give credit where credit is due, whether I post it on my blog, and/or give the card to someone. If I can’t remember where I got the design from, I say so, and admit that I can’t remember who it was.
I capture images of cards from the internet that I like for inspiration. I have changed the way I do the capture, so that if possible, I can also capture whoever made the card. Since a lot of the cards I capture images of are Facebook posts, it’s easy to do a screen capture that includes their name, instead of just copying the image to my files. That way, if I do copy their card, I know who to give credit to.
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Post by kmage on Mar 2, 2024 13:43:44 GMT
Thanks for the feedback joblackford and scrapnnana! I would agree, always give credit, and I appreciate the distinction of "inspired by" or "crafted along with" !
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Post by azcrafty on Mar 2, 2024 14:12:50 GMT
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Post by buttercup on Mar 5, 2024 20:43:44 GMT
Ditto. When I send cards, I will mention if the design isn’t mine. I don’t name the designers because the people I send to aren’t involved in the crafting community and so wouldn’t recognize the names anyway. Plus I don’t post my cards online or sell them, so I don’t think I’m taking undue credit.
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Post by riversong1963 on Mar 6, 2024 16:01:44 GMT
I don't worry about these things. I don't copy things exactly, and I don't write that I was inspired by anyone on the backs of my cards. I've entered maybe two or three contests, and that was a long time ago. I would never enter something that was a blatant copy, or was heavily influenced by someone else's design. JMHO, and we all have to do what we think is right.
To answer the OP's question, I would consider that following along. If I were sharing it online, say on a message board or social media, I would probably mention that I was "inspired by," or "original design by." Nothing handmade is ever really an exact copy. Even when I try to make an exact copy of something I've made, it doesn't turn out exactly the same. I wouldn't stress too much about it. Again, JMHO.
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Post by justjac on Mar 6, 2024 17:07:16 GMT
I also use "inspired by", "design by", or "from a class by" if I am sharing online. I don't tell my card recipients one way or the other.
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Post by hockeyspaz62 on Mar 7, 2024 23:59:31 GMT
I only send cards t family and friends, so I never label anything. And Kelley has shown on the lives, cards that people have done during her classes. I call them classes because she does teach. I really enjoy those HB lives, and look forward to them each week.
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Post by grammadee on Mar 8, 2024 0:03:48 GMT
I also use "inspired by", "design by", or "from a class by" if I am sharing online. I don't tell my card recipients one way or the other. That's what I do. The most exact duplicates of the class project would be if it was part of a class kit, but usually there are at least a few tweaks I add. If not, that's okay. If you see my card on line and say, "Hey I would like to do that", then you will prob look up the artist I cite, so they will get the extra traffic. Win-win.
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Post by penny8909 on Mar 18, 2024 9:47:51 GMT
you do you. copy away and when posting on IG explain that you copied it. Why not??
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Post by dewryce on Apr 23, 2024 21:27:49 GMT
I’m wondering if these points of view are mostly related to sharing online or copying cards in general? I ask because while I love to create, I am not that creative and that part isn’t as fun for me. So I copy a lot of cards that have tutorials online, I thought that was generally expected. I wouldn’t use them for say, participating in a card swap here and definitely wouldn’t post them online without giving credit and likely a link. I’m just now really looking into and considering making cards to donate, and I wouldn’t do a copy for those but before this thread might have considered doing one fairly heavily inspired by a video. Now I’m not so sure. I have definitely done pretty close copies and given them to friends and family. Are y’all saying this is not considered okay? Because I appreciate the content so much and definitely don’t want to do anything that would be considered disrespectful of the creators.
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Post by Shakti on Apr 23, 2024 22:18:39 GMT
Oh, I absolutely use Sheet Loads of Cards and SU sketches for exchanges here and donations.
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Post by lindamh on Apr 23, 2024 23:18:46 GMT
I understand giving credit when you're sharing online or entering in a contest or something. I don't see the need when I'm making cards for family or to give to teachers at a local school.
Just for the sake of continuing the conversation, I'll say that I think you can push this giving credit idea too far. For example, what about if you're making a card with a set of stencils? I'm thinking of something like TE's Create-In-Quads. There's only so many ways you can line up those stencils. Other than the color choice your card is going to look pretty much like every one else's. How far do you have to go giving credit? To the maker of the card you saw? To the person who made the online example when you bought the stencils? To the company who made the stencil? To the person who designed the stencil?
Granted, that may be taking it too far, but do you see what I mean?
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Post by riversong1963 on Apr 24, 2024 10:45:40 GMT
I understand giving credit when you're sharing online or entering in a contest or something. I don't see the need when I'm making cards for family or to give to teachers at a local school. Just for the sake of continuing the conversation, I'll say that I think you can push this giving credit idea too far. For example, what about if you're making a card with a set of stencils? I'm thinking of something like TE's Create-In-Quads. There's only so many ways you can line up those stencils. Other than the color choice your card is going to look pretty much like every one else's. How far do you have to go giving credit? To the maker of the card you saw? To the person who made the online example when you bought the stencils? To the company who made the stencil? To the person who designed the stencil? Granted, that may be taking it too far, but do you see what I mean? 100% agree.
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Post by Embri on Apr 24, 2024 13:44:01 GMT
Granted, that may be taking it too far, but do you see what I mean? Tools - I would never credit these. One of the reasons I think SU!'s policy is delulu; you're selling stamps & sentiments that are obviously purpose-made for cards. People are going to make cards with them. Don't go shocked pikachu face when that happens. I don't credit my markers or scissors when I craft either! Product samples - again, I would not credit those. I'm also not going to copy them, but eh, nothing against those that do. That's what they're there for (and presumably paid to be created). Tutorials - nope, they're intending for people to draw inspiration and/or follow along. If you're displaying it publicly, "based on tutorial by x" is a kind thing to do since it'll give the original person a little boost in traffic, maybe. Random person's design - yes, I'd mention it, if it's being posted publicly, which I'd strongly consider not sharing. Privately sure; not everyone is equally good at designing vs. the making, and if you don't want anyone to "borrow" your design the only way is to never share your work. Personally this is not something I would be comfortable doing myself, because it makes me a bit sad when I'm the person being copied exactly. For the same reason I rarely share anything I've finished and I stick to low-res pictures when I do. Once you put something on the internet, you have to accept that you lose control of that work at least in part. It can be scraped by AI, downloaded, copied, altered, reproduced, etc. The internet never forgets.
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Post by azcrafty on Apr 24, 2024 13:47:07 GMT
I agree with lindamh. This whole thing about copying is going to far. This is how I see it. -Classes and events- I copy, I might make changes if I don't like the original. I give credit on IG. -DT members job is to give us inspiration and show us how to use it. And if they don't like it , they shouldn't be on it. This is not art. But saying this if I post my card I will credit the manufacturer and DT member if I know who it is. - sketches are like road maps you change colors, but they are out there to use it. If you post it online give credit to the creator if you can. - technique or style I will give credit to a point. Let's just think of it this way, Yana's style is the bold/dark background colors now there are so many 'famous' ppl doing it that in my opinion thats almost a norm. They gave Yana credit at the beginning they did it but I don't see that so much anymore. My bottom line is that if I post something online and there is someone that should be credited I will. And I do it because someone might like that style or sketch and this way they can check it out. When I send, donate or give my cards away I don't credit anyone.
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Post by Shakti on Apr 24, 2024 14:41:18 GMT
I don't actually post my creations anywhere but here. Even when I'm doing an online event and they have FB galleries, I post here, not there. Probably makes me a bad participant as far as the companies are concerned, but oh, well. I want my quarterly team sharing point, darnitall! I think I'm pretty transparent about what I'm posting, but it's also not some Insta where I'm showing the intertubes at large my creations and claiming to be some sort of artiste, right?
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Post by azcrafty on Apr 24, 2024 16:24:53 GMT
I guess I'm fired up about this topic because this came to my mind.
When crafting companies copy other crafting company products and ideas are they giving credit to them? And they are making money off of it!!! So why do the crafty influencers makes us, hobby makers, feel so bad about copying or even being close to their design. What...we might get a 'that card is beautiful ' comment?
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Post by Shakti on Apr 24, 2024 16:33:59 GMT
That is an interesting perspective, I say, thinking about the Spellbinders cocktail theme in their new retreat and my Pinkfresh holiday sprits set....
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Post by azcrafty on Apr 24, 2024 18:29:16 GMT
That is an interesting perspective, I say, thinking about the Spellbinders cocktail theme in their new retreat and my Pinkfresh holiday sprits set.... Or the stamp-stencil-die sets- now everyone has them...SU will have them in the new catalog, but I didn’t see anything about that they were inspired by PinkFresh. Or the organizing sets that scrapbook.com copied TSM. And so on....
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Post by Shakti on Apr 24, 2024 18:32:15 GMT
Are the same ones that Spellbinders then copied?
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Post by azcrafty on Apr 24, 2024 18:42:44 GMT
Are the same ones that Spellbinders then copied? No. Those little trays came from Target dollar spot- I got them years ago...than someone asked SB.com to make them and now Spellbinders doing it too. The one I referred to is very similar to JM's divider system with a box. TSM was at creativation showcasing them and apparently SB.com stole the idea of the rainbow colors and style. It was a huge thing for a couple days. SB.com even pulled them off the market- I know now they have the white ones and colored ones, but not sure if they are pastels or not. But neither of them gave JM a credit for coming up with it.
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Post by mbanda on Apr 24, 2024 19:48:39 GMT
When I'm doing card swaps and drives or sending cards to friends/family I don't ever credit the person I was inspired by (even if I outright copied their design). Most of the people I send cards to wouldn't know who Yana or Jennifer McGuire, etc is. I've taken several virtual events and sometimes send those cards in the 2Peas swaps. I don't mention those are from a class either.
I don't post my cards online anywhere except here and those are usually only during a virtual event. If I was posting on Instagram, etc I would credit the original designer but for my normal day to day recipients I don't.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 24, 2024 22:29:25 GMT
When I'm doing card swaps and drives or sending cards to friends/family I don't ever credit the person I was inspired by (even if I outright copied their design). Most of the people I send cards to wouldn't know who Yana or Jennifer McGuire, etc is. I've taken several virtual events and sometimes send those cards in the 2Peas swaps. I don't mention those are from a class either. I don't post my cards online anywhere except here and those are usually only during a virtual event. If I was posting on Instagram, etc I would credit the original designer but for my normal day to day recipients I don't. Same for me.
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Post by kmage on Apr 24, 2024 22:38:08 GMT
I am torn about posting it on IG I had to go back and look at my first post lol, to remember what I said. I was considering posting on instagram and was torn about it...for just giving cards to family and friends I would not credit anyone, since they would never even have an idea of who those people are. I do remark often when friends and family compliment my creativity that "Oh no, I just watch a lot of YouTube!" I'm enjoying the discussion the question kicked off though, lots of food for thought!
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Post by Embri on Apr 24, 2024 22:44:53 GMT
When crafting companies copy other crafting company products and ideas are they giving credit to them? Oh yes, it's fair game when it's a company doing it, if they get caught at best you get a product pulled temporarily and a "oh we're so sorry" non-apology. Don't get me started on the "magic mats" that are nothing more than craft companies slapping a 3000% craft tax on a self-healing mat! They'll do it with anything they think they can get away with - sorting trays, cleaning cloths, makeup brushes, it just goes on and on. Personal pet peeve.
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 1, 2024 0:41:34 GMT
This topic came up years ago re: Kristina Werner. She'd so damned sanctimonious and I find her and her clique of thin skinned biddies so off putting I stopped following all of them. So KW made some comment about giving credit for her designs, so for the pea Christmas Card exchange I copied KW's design exactly and made 10 cards to send to peas. The credit I gave did not include her name.
If you are providing inspiration online (and it's your job and you're getting product as part of your job) get over yourself. Nobody needs to give you credit on the back of the card we sent grandma. And nobody is making a killing in the card making business stealing your designs.
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Post by scrapnnana on May 1, 2024 15:23:26 GMT
If you are providing inspiration online (and it's your job and you're getting product as part of your job) get over yourself. Nobody needs to give you credit on the back of the card we sent grandma. You made me laugh. All good points.
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