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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 3, 2024 16:59:21 GMT
Absolutely!! But they also have the responsibility to be active, start going to council meetings, school board meetings, learn about our democracy and how it runs, and VOTE. Did your generation do as well at all of that when you were a younger adult, working and raising kids? Or are you putting expectations on younger people that didn’t necessarily exist for your generation? Yes, they need to vote. But also, at some point, our major political parties need to stop throwing all their support behind the oldest possible candidate. I was active before I could vote. Raised strong Republican. Somewhere here I still have at least one 'IKE' cuff link. I remember carrying my DS into the voting booths, as well as him walking in with me later. Of course, we couldn't vote until 21 yrs old. In the seventies as a member of our tenants assn we went to and spoke at town Council meetings. I remember three of us even walked in the snow to speak (fools we were!!). I was on The Mayor's advisory committee, 8 years total under both parties. I was Chairman, but can't even remember under which.. So yes, I was an active participant! |
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Post by Merge on Mar 3, 2024 17:23:51 GMT
Did your generation do as well at all of that when you were a younger adult, working and raising kids? Or are you putting expectations on younger people that didn’t necessarily exist for your generation? Yes, they need to vote. But also, at some point, our major political parties need to stop throwing all their support behind the oldest possible candidate. I was active before I could vote. Raised strong Republican. Somewhere here I still at least one 'IKE' cuff link. I remember carrying my DS into the voting booths, as well as him walking in with me later. Of course, we couldn't vote until 21 yrs old. In the seventies as a member of our tenants assn we went to and spoke at town Council meetings. I remember three of us even walked in the snow to speak (fools we were!!). I was on The Mayor's advisory committee, 8 years total under both parties. I was Chairman, but can't even remember under which.. So yes, I was an active participant! But the whole of your generation? |
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Post by Merge on Mar 3, 2024 17:25:13 GMT
Yes. Experience matters. Both of these guys are way too old to have the experiences the majority of people they govern are having and have had. I am in a profession where people tend to hang on through their 70s and often into their 80s. Whether or not their minds are sharp, when I listen to what they think our profession is like (which bears no resemblance to what it has looked like when they were in the prime of their careers), it is … a lot. To be clear, this is an issue for both guys. I have zero idea why anyone would only give Biden heat.Could be because Trump gets ALL the heat and biden is given a pass for the same exact things Trump gets heat for. Biden gets a pass because with Trump, his age-related flubs are just the tip of the iceberg of oh hell no. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 3, 2024 17:25:33 GMT
More likely hit or miss.. more hit though. Merge |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 3, 2024 17:29:40 GMT
Certainly not as divisive back then. I don't count as a boomer! |
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 3, 2024 18:11:58 GMT
On any given Sunday! There are no guarantees that any president will complete their term. The youngest man ever elected to the office of President lasted 2 years. He was in his 40’s when he was assassinated. That would be JFK and he was 46. What are the statics that a man in his 40’s wouldn’t complete his first term as president? If something should happen to Joe Biden in his second term there is a perfectly capable VP that could take over if needed. I’m still waiting for those who want a younger person to provide a name. Pete Buttigieg Gretchen Whitmer Gavin Newsome Kamala Harris Amy Klobuchar There are plenty of excellent potential candidates. Yep, we have an excellent bench for 2028. It would be very difficult to do now for all sorts of reasons. This was written back in December: nymag.com/intelligencer/article/too-late-biden-quit-2024-election.htmlVox: www.vox.com/24067941/joe-biden-2024-age-democrats-alternate-candidatesIt would be extremely difficult to do now, and there are other issues. Harris would be considered as VP, but there are many who do not like her. Plus she has been polling badly. Biden loyalists like Whitmer and Klobuchar are not nationally well known-yet. Unless something were to happen to Biden, there will not be a different candidate. |
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Post by librarylady on Mar 3, 2024 18:30:52 GMT
Pete Buttigieg
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Americans will have to be willing to accept a female as president and apparently (even in2024) we are not ready to do that.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 3, 2024 18:38:52 GMT
Yes. Experience matters. Both of these guys are way too old to have the experiences the majority of people they govern are having and have had. I am in a profession where people tend to hang on through their 70s and often into their 80s. Whether or not their minds are sharp, when I listen to what they think our profession is like (which bears no resemblance to what it has looked like when they were in the prime of their careers), it is … a lot. To be clear, this is an issue for both guys. I have zero idea why anyone would only give Biden heat.Could be because Trump gets ALL the heat and biden is given a pass for the same exact things Trump gets heat for. I am sorry. I do not understand this argument. |
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Post by littlemama on Mar 3, 2024 18:44:03 GMT
Pete Buttigieg Gretchen Whitmer Gavin Newsome Kamala Harris Amy Klobuchar There are plenty of excellent potential candidates. Yep, we have an excellent bench for 2028. It would be very difficult to do now for all sorts of reasons. This was written back in December: nymag.com/intelligencer/article/too-late-biden-quit-2024-election.htmlVox: www.vox.com/24067941/joe-biden-2024-age-democrats-alternate-candidatesIt would be extremely difficult to do now, and there are other issues. Harris would be considered as VP, but there are many who do not like her. Plus she has been polling badly. Biden loyalists like Whitmer and Klobuchar are not nationally well known-yet. Unless something were to happen to Biden, there will not be a different candidate. Oh, I know it's too late for 2024 and the criticism's of Kamala Harris are ridiculous. The vice president doesnt make policy and isnt supposed to be front and center on issues. If she were a white man, no one would be bitching about her. When I hear criticism of someone who is not a middle aged white male. The first thing I ask myself is "would this same complaint be made about a middle aged white man doing or saying the same thing?" If the answer is no, then I discard that criticism. |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2024 18:50:02 GMT
On any given Sunday! There are no guarantees that any president will complete their term. The youngest man ever elected to the office of President lasted 2 years. He was in his 40’s when he was assassinated. That would be JFK and he was 46. What are the statics that a man in his 40’s wouldn’t complete his first term as president? If something should happen to Joe Biden in his second term there is a perfectly capable VP that could take over if needed. I’m still waiting for those who want a younger person to provide a name. Pete Buttigieg Gretchen Whitmer Gavin Newsome Kamala Harris Amy Klobuchar There are plenty of excellent potential candidates. I’m a big fan of Peter Buttigieg but I doubt that he would be elected regardless of how qualified he is because he’s gay. Gavin Newsom is governor of the most populated state in the US with the fifth largest economy in the world. A state with diverse industries and a diverse population. But he won’t get elected because he is from CA. I’m not sure if this country is ready to elect a woman president no matter how qualified they are. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 3, 2024 19:01:08 GMT
Could be because Trump gets ALL the heat and biden is given a pass for the same exact things Trump gets heat for. I am sorry. I do not understand this argument. Is this a serious claim of not understanding or are you dismissing a reason offered to you? |
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Post by Gennifer on Mar 3, 2024 19:03:42 GMT
Mentally capable, yes. But it’s not unfair for younger generations to want to hold the reins of power and have more input into the direction this country is taking. We have different perspectives. Absolutely!! But they also have the responsibility to be active, start going to council meetings, school board meetings, learn about our democracy and how it runs, and VOTE. It’s pretty clear that our sitting government doesn’t actually want everyone to vote, or they would make Election Day a paid holiday, enact wide-spread mail in voting, and stop voter suppression in general. Our electoral system caters to the older generations. |
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 3, 2024 19:20:15 GMT
I am sorry. I do not understand this argument. Is this a serious claim of not understanding or are you dismissing a reason offered to you? It was a request for you to explain the argument because I am not understanding it. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 3, 2024 20:04:04 GMT
Is this a serious claim of not understanding or are you dismissing a reason offered to you? It was a request for you to explain the argument because I am not understanding it. Any negative posts on biden are met with dismissal because the things he does are meaningless as everyone does them. Then posts on Trump where he does the same thing and it's suddenly significant because Trump did it. Kind of like what we saw when Obama built detention facilities at the border and when Trump took office, those very same facilities SUDDENLY became "cages". Complete with accusations using pictures of them from when Obama was president, AS PROOF of people being "caged". |
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Post by mom on Mar 3, 2024 21:06:57 GMT
On any given Sunday! There are no guarantees that any president will complete their term. The youngest man ever elected to the office of President lasted 2 years. He was in his 40’s when he was assassinated. That would be JFK and he was 46. What are the statics that a man in his 40’s wouldn’t complete his first term as president? If something should happen to Joe Biden in his second term there is a perfectly capable VP that could take over if needed. I’m still waiting for those who want a younger person to provide a name. Pete Buttigieg Gretchen Whitmer Gavin Newsome Kamala Harris Amy Klobuchar There are plenty of excellent potential candidates. I would add the name Jeff Jackson to the list. I don't think he is ready for the Presidency yet, but I could see him as VP one day or even President once he's had more political experience. |
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 3, 2024 21:51:03 GMT
I have zero idea why anyone would only give Biden heat. He doesn't spend an hour winding his dyed, waist-length hair around his head and slathering on fake tan to "look youthful."  |
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 3, 2024 23:33:13 GMT
Oh, I know it's too late for 2024 and the criticism's of Kamala Harris are ridiculous. The vice president doesnt make policy and isnt supposed to be front and center on issues. If she were a white man, no one would be bitching about her. When I hear criticism of someone who is not a middle aged white male. The first thing I ask myself is "would this same complaint be made about a middle aged white man doing or saying the same thing?" If the answer is no, then I discard that criticism. I agree, and feel that much of the treatment of the VP has been unfair. I have said more than once that there is a huge double standard for female politicians vs male politicians. But the criticism, however unfair, exists, and it could very well cause a rift if Biden were to step down and dueling interests clashed in trying to choose a candidate. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 3, 2024 23:45:43 GMT
It was a request for you to explain the argument because I am not understanding it. Any negative posts on biden are met with dismissal because the things he does are meaningless as everyone does them. Then posts on Trump where he does the same thing and it's suddenly significant because Trump did it. Kind of like what we saw when Obama built detention facilities at the border and when Trump took office, those very same facilities SUDDENLY became "cages". Complete with accusations using pictures of them from when Obama was president, AS PROOF of people being "caged". While it's true that the cages were built under the Obama administration, the intention for them and how they were used was different. But, I think you know that. The cages became horrific when Trump traumatically separated children at the border and used the cages for children. Not the same thing at all, you're making a false comparison without context. www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/kids-in-cages-debate-trump-obama/2020/10/23/8ff96f3c-1532-11eb-82af-864652063d61_story.htmlwww.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_d2cfb15a-85e0-45a8-9112-8b92c2f77ae1 |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 3, 2024 23:55:37 GMT
Oh, I know it's too late for 2024 and the criticism's of Kamala Harris are ridiculous. The vice president doesnt make policy and isnt supposed to be front and center on issues. If she were a white man, no one would be bitching about her. When I hear criticism of someone who is not a middle aged white male. The first thing I ask myself is "would this same complaint be made about a middle aged white man doing or saying the same thing?" If the answer is no, then I discard that criticism. I agree, and feel that much of the treatment of the VP has been unfair. I have said more than once that there is a huge double standard for female politicians vs male politicians. But the criticism, however unfair, exists, and it could very well cause a rift if Biden were to step down and dueling interests clashed in trying to choose a candidate. Admittedly, she made some mistakes early on. However, she has really started to come into her own in the last year. I think she's been underestimated. Just today, she gave a really moving speech. When she's talking about women's rights, voting rights and civil rights, she's really passionate and well spoken. Not necessarily this board, but a lot of the criticism of Biden's age is really about a black female VP who might become president. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 4, 2024 0:33:10 GMT
I agree, and feel that much of the treatment of the VP has been unfair. I have said more than once that there is a huge double standard for female politicians vs male politicians. But the criticism, however unfair, exists, and it could very well cause a rift if Biden were to step down and dueling interests clashed in trying to choose a candidate. Admittedly, she made some mistakes early on. However, she has really started to come into her own in the last year. I think she's been underestimated. Just today, she gave a really moving speech. When she's talking about women's rights, voting rights and civil rights, she's really passionate and well spoken. Not necessarily this board, but a lot of the criticism of Biden's age is really about a black female VP who might become president. I think that you are right. She is smart and capable. And she is hated in some quarters because some people do not want her to become POTUS. I don’t know if she has been underestimated by the right or whether the people who hate her know that she is capable, and want to stop her. Look at how Hillary Clinton was treated. I hate to think in this day and age that there are powerful people who do not want a female president, but it sure looks like there are. |
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I would like to see age introduced into requirements to run for office. I do not agree with the bashing currently going on. They are who they are and nothing can be done about that now. Wisdom does go a long ways. Anyone can pass away at any age. A 56 yr old or 69 yr old could pass the same as someone in their 80’s. I guess I have problems with generalizations and assumptions. Age is a requirement to run for office. One must be at least 35 years old. I agree with everything Busy wrote. If like to see an age limit on the other end as well. For example, they can run as long as they will be 65 or younger when they begin their term in January. If that means they only get one term ... so be it. I think this should be true for all Political seats at the Federal level for sure, and frankly even State level. Mandatory retirements at the Federal level do exist in certain jobs based on age. It's not unheard of. |
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Post by pilcas on Mar 4, 2024 0:59:15 GMT
I am sorry. I do not understand this argument. Is this a serious claim of not understanding or are you dismissing a reason offered to you? Only a cultist can fail to notice that Trump has lost the plot and is rambling uncontrollably, making threats and boasting about his abilities. Nowhere does he actually talk about policy and specific, doable solutions. Oh and let’s not forget when he lies and actually sounds like he believes them. As nasty as he was back then, if you go back to his speeches in 2020 you can see the difference. None of this is true of Biden. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 4, 2024 1:06:16 GMT
Is this a serious claim of not understanding or are you dismissing a reason offered to you? Only a cultist can fail to notice that Trump has lost the plot and is rambling uncontrollably, making threats and boasting about his abilities. Nowhere does he actually talk about policy and specific, doable solutions. Oh and let’s not forget when he lies and actually sounds like he believes them. As nasty as he was back then, if you go back to his speeches in 2020 you can see the difference. None of this is true of Biden.Oh, yes it is. As I've said, they both need to go, but to apply your own standard, only a cultist can fail to notice how Biden has lost the plot and is rambling incoherently into his lap, reading notecards to foreign officials, unable to remember milestone years of his life even within SEVERAL years, fumbles incoherently and lies through a press conference MEANT to show how "mentally with it" he is, and actually sounds like he believes them. Which is alarming when you consider that he was telling the press that were asking questions that "the press doesn't even care about those things." Even CNN fact checked biden and caught him in several lies during that failure of "a proof of cognitive ability" press conference. |
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 4, 2024 7:02:48 GMT
It was a request for you to explain the argument because I am not understanding it. Any negative posts on biden are met with dismissal because the things he does are meaningless as everyone does them. Then posts on Trump where he does the same thing and it's suddenly significant because Trump did it. Kind of like what we saw when Obama built detention facilities at the border and when Trump took office, those very same facilities SUDDENLY became "cages". Complete with accusations using pictures of them from when Obama was president, AS PROOF of people being "caged". Oh. That explains it. My post is not about this board or your thread on it. |
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Post by peasapie on Mar 4, 2024 12:30:31 GMT
Ageism is one of the last socially accepted prejudices, so ingrained in our culture that we don’t even notice. The same people who say they don’t feel “seen” as they’ve grown older will engage in it, and if we don’t change that attitude we have no one but ourselves to blame. We would never say, for example, that we wouldn’t vote for someone because of their weight, despite the many health issues associated with being overweight.
I think Joe Biden has shown a lot of wisdom in his first four years as president. There is nothing he has done or failed to do that I associate with his age.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Mar 4, 2024 13:51:19 GMT
Absolutely!! But they also have the responsibility to be active, start going to council meetings, school board meetings, learn about our democracy and how it runs, and VOTE. It’s pretty clear that our sitting government doesn’t actually want everyone to vote, or they would make Election Day a paid holiday, enact wide-spread mail in voting, and stop voter suppression in general. Our electoral system caters to the older generations. Just had this ***errmmmm* “talk” with my mom. She just thinks everyone is home waiting with bated breath to dress up and go to the polls and stand in line early in the morning to do their civic duty. She refuses to acknowledge that college kids voting locations aren’t straight forward, many people have to vote in their county etc, and have commutes, travel for work or pleasure, or simply even don’t have someone to watch the kids, flexibility to leave work, transportation, or a myriad of other reasons voting in person or on Election Day isn’t a fair expectation of them. Yet one more example of why people in the thick of being in the sandwich generation should be leading our country, rather than people that think we all live like the rich and famous or 1972 Americana. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 4, 2024 15:37:39 GMT
Any negative posts on biden are met with dismissal because the things he does are meaningless as everyone does them. Then posts on Trump where he does the same thing and it's suddenly significant because Trump did it. Kind of like what we saw when Obama built detention facilities at the border and when Trump took office, those very same facilities SUDDENLY became "cages". Complete with accusations using pictures of them from when Obama was president, AS PROOF of people being "caged". Oh. That explains it. My post is not about this board or your thread on it. Okay 👍 Well that kind of thing happens everywhere so my one explanation offered to your puzzlement over "I have zero idea why anyone would only give Biden heat." still stands. |
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Any negative posts on biden are met with dismissal because the things he does are meaningless as everyone does them. Then posts on Trump where he does the same thing and it's suddenly significant because Trump did it. Kind of like what we saw when Obama built detention facilities at the border and when Trump took office, those very same facilities SUDDENLY became "cages". Complete with accusations using pictures of them from when Obama was president, AS PROOF of people being "caged". While it's true that the cages were built under the Obama administration, the intention for them and how they were used was different. But, I think you know that. The cages became horrific when Trump traumatically separated children at the border and used the cages for children. Not the same thing at all, you're making a false comparison without context. www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/kids-in-cages-debate-trump-obama/2020/10/23/8ff96f3c-1532-11eb-82af-864652063d61_story.htmlwww.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_d2cfb15a-85e0-45a8-9112-8b92c2f77ae1Add to it that the flood of immigrants that happened under Obama was much more unexpected, whereas Trumps policies were written in order to “cage” more people. There were how many years in between them? Knowing it was likely to happen again, knowing their policies were written to cause many of the issues, they should have been better prepared. Katrina brought a huge unexpected influx to the City of Houston, among others. Do you think they were not better prepared for this situation a few years after this happened? |
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Post by miascraps on Mar 4, 2024 18:44:37 GMT
Age is a requirement to run for office. One must be at least 35 years old. I agree with everything Busy wrote. If like to see an age limit on the other end as well. For example, they can run as long as they will be 65 or younger when they begin their term in January. If that means they only get one term ... so be it. I think this should be true for all Political seats at the Federal level for sure, and frankly even State level. Mandatory retirements at the Federal level do exist in certain jobs based on age. It's not unheard of. Yes, obviously this was what I meant |
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